One story about Wilder's casting- he told the producers that he'd take the role only if he was allowed to make his entrance as he wished: that limping walk out the door, followed by the fall, tuck roll, and spring up to his feet. They went back and forth, and finally, 'Why is this so important to you, Gene? Why must you do it that way?' 'Because, from that moment on, from the minute we see Wonka, the audience will never know whether Wonka is lying, or telling the truth.'
Wish that other performances (like DiCaprio in Wolf of Wall Street) had put this kind of thought into them. Otherwise you see what the character is… an asshole.
I'm surprised that you didn't mention Dahl's career in military intelligence during the war, especially considering that he actually had worked with Ian Fleming at that time. That was one of the reasons Dahl wrote the screenplays for those Bond films; he knew Fleming personally.
Apparently Sammy Davis Jr. wanted the part of the shop owner in the film, and thus asked to record the song, only for Aubrey Woods (British bit-part actor, probably most famous outside of this film for being the Controller on the Doctor Who serial Day of the Daleks) to get the part instead. So, he purposefully hammed up the recording, hoping that he could get it scrapped, only for the executives to love it and he had to release it. Then it hit #1.
Yeah, it's the quality, fairness, and depths of the reviews that made me a fan. I started watching the SF debris videos a month or two before he reviewed The Thaw from Voyager, and that review was what made me a fan.
@@hariman7727for me it was The 37s that got me into his work. I'd watched a few Voyager videos and thought they were at times overly harsh, and then his explanation in that video about how his feelings towards the show aren't of hate but rather disappointment. It cast his criticisms in a different light and I was very much on board for the sort of analysis that he made.
@@kyle857 I can't remember when I first started watching but it was so long ago during his Voyager-only stuff. I think it was around the time Confused Matthew stopped doing his own reviews. Right away, though, I was hooked on how he handled both analysis and comedy, it reminded me more than a little bit of Mystery Science Theater 3000 which may be part of what drew me to his work to begin with. I remember laughing so hard during his Threshold review I made myself sick.
it's funny, I read the books first, and the illustrations and textual descriptions made him SO clear to me. I didn't really know actors at the time, but later I would always say, the guy who could play Wonka facially (and probably with a personality more like the book) would have to be Martin Short. Who also always should have played the Mad Hatter, and only did wayyy later in life. Particularly in the sequel, there's attention paid to just how kinda odd Wonka looks, racially ambiguous, his nose, eyelids, hair, all kinda.. mismatched and distinctive. But yknow, what the movie did definitely worked.
I’ll take movies I didn’t expect you to look at for 500 please! I was never the biggest Wonka fan, whether it came to the books, movies, and even the purchasable, edible candy. Even when it comes to Dhal, my favorite story of his was Matilda. But I do appreciate all the Wonka stuff for their impact, and most especially the original movie with its songs and Gene Wilder’s amazing performance.
Roald Dahl was an author that I couldn't have named as a kid, but who definetly helped shape my young world. I will always be grateful to him for that. This movie was one I saw several times. Gene Wilder was captivating. I never knew what he was going to do from moment to moment. And looking at it with repeat viewings, I catch more and more that I missed.
In English hydrocephalus is usually pronounced hydro-seph-a-lus not syph-a-lus. Cephalus means head hydro means (water), hydrocephalus, water on the brain. Technically since it is from the Greek κεφαλον (and the c in Latin was originally hard also but at some point in a lot of languages became soft) we should pronounce the c as hard, but no one did that so soft c (s sound) it is when one speaks English. Alexander the Great's horse was Bucephalus (bull's head) and the standard English pronunciation of -cephalus in that is as in hydrocephalus, if that helps (probably does not since it is at least as obscure) . Looking it up: Syphilis is derived from an imaginary character's name imagined as the 1st sufferer of that disease. Interesting as someone with an intercranial shunt for hydrocephalus it is interesting to hear about it. Checking the Wikipedia page Dahl was inspired by the poor function of the shunt his son received to invent a better one and shunts have continued to progress since.
Interesting film and video! I didn't even know about Willy Wonka as a kid, but its influence on pop culture is obviously strong and cultural osmosis finally took its toll. It is fascinating to look for the film locations in your own home, how the old structures have been changed, modernized - or essentially stayed the same! The "school", for example, is actually a nice, old church, beautifully renovated. And many other places can still be found if you know where to look.
Don't take this the wrong way, but this comment is the first time I've ever heard anyone complain about Chuck reviewing non _Star Trek_ properties. Then again, I've never hung out in the _SFDebris_ forums, either...
That said, I'd be surprised if any light hearted Trek stories in the future don't include a Willy Wonka/Charlie parody say on a planet of Oompa Loompa like beings.
I recall Wonka being such a loved film in Ireland that we had viewings of it in all sorts of threatrers around me. Not even the niche ones that showed old films, I'm talking about places that were getting the latest stuff. And this in turn lead to a lot Wonka Bar adverts throughout my childhood. I think more for the anniversary of the film than it was because Ireland liked it so much. Now, that came in the fact that the remake was aired and reaired several times. With extra showings. We had a special Christmas showing, several years after the movie came out where everyone with a free coupon would be let see the film. ... they had to extend how long they were going to show the film. Because so many people were coming in they just didn't have the space. Some of us had to sit on the floors, that was how much we wanted to see the film. I already had it on DVD at the time. Just weirdly beloved property. Not so much anymore. It seems Wonka love died out some time ago.
I'm so glad that Peter Sellers didn't get the role. He was the wrong kind of manic and also kind of a complete *monster* of a man who so abused his own family that his idea of hell would be seeing them being happy without him. He also tried to beef with Orson Welles and failed miserably because Welles didn't give a shit, punched the producer of the 1960s Casino Royale movie, tried to destroy the careers of basically every woman who crossed his path... Yeah, Peter Sellers was the worst.
Chuck covers speculative fiction, which is a pretty broad term. While he mostly does Sci Fi this movie is arguably a fairy tale which fits under the speculative fiction umbrella
Well, Willy Wonka is basically a mad scientist in chocolatier and candy man clothing. He's developing hair toffee (which could help cancer patients and people with hair loss), a gum that's basically a food pill and could end world hunger once it stops turning the consumer into fruit; and as the 2005 film put it, basically invented a teleporter (breaking all known laws of physics and conservation of matter) just for the applications of candy!
It's a tragedy that no one has ever had the balls to take on the sequel. C'mon you can make this twice and an unneeded prequel for good measure but not bring in the aliens?
From what I remember, didnt they try to during Dahl's lifetime but were stopped by the author himself because he hated the changes made to the Wilder film?
@@myriadmediamusings Dahl once actually stood outside the theater to convince people not to see The Witches (based on another book of his) because he hated the happy ending they tacked on (the book ended with ALL the witches dead or turned into mice, and the protagonist and Bruno were permanently mice) the movie ended with one of the witches turning good and reversing the protagonist's transformation before moving on to Bruno. And Dahl was in his twilight years and would pass the following year, so he must've been really pissed. He loved Angelica Huston as the Grand High Witch, however, his most favorite casting.
It's TOO weird. Same reason we're never going to see an adaptation of the 101 Dalmatians sequel "The Starlight Barking", or any of the later Wizard of Oz books. Which is weird, you'd think with there being 14 of them total, SOMEONE would have gotten past the second one at some point.
I find it ironic, as much as Dahl disliked the changes made in "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" to turn it into "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory", they were nothing compared to the changes Dahl made to Ian Flemming's only children's book "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" . I had loved the book, having read it prior to the film's release, and what I saw in the film when it came out. I like both, but they have little in common. I actually think the ending of "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory", was a big improvement over the way the book ended.
The one thing a writer can’t stand is being rewritten by someone else. Even if it’s an improvement, they hate it because it wasn’t by their design. It proved that writers are dispensable.
0:38 - oof, that pronunciation of Llandaff. 😬 I can’t exactly blame you as you’ve likely had little to no opportunity to encounter Welsh, but it still pains even a non-Welsh speaking Welshman like myself to hear it butchered so. In case you ever need to say anything Welsh containing ‘ll’, in Welsh, ll is not the same as two Ls in English, it’s actually a single letter in and of itself. Not exactly sure of how to describe it, best I can do is it sounds a little bit like th and l run together. If you want a more concrete explanation, check out the youtuber ‘The Welsh Viking’; he recently did a video where he got a bunch of other RUclipsrs from various countries to try pronouncing Welsh place names and he covered how to pronounce ll, including the technical term for what it is.
eh? doesn't LL just sound like L? that's what he said. I mean "Llewellyn" always just sounds like loowelyn. is that not the original pronunciation? I swear, when they brought roman letters to all the celtic people in britain, they taught them wrong on purpose.
@@lordofuzkulak8308 it's how Robert Llewellyn pronounces it! Well okay, so it's a combination of L and TH? do you mean like, an alveolar tap? like the asian L/R?
And Temporary Blindness from the Plane Crash, It's all in The Books Boy Tales of Childhood and Going Solo. Wilder would only do it if he came out as Lame, The whole Opening was Gene's Idea to let The audience know that Wonka Ain't Quite right. It was Both Young Frankenstein and Willy Wonka that catapulted Gene Wilder's Career. Willy Wonka And The Chocolate Factory Remains Dr. Perter Ostrum's only Film, After Willy Wonka he went back to school and he is now a Practicing Veterinarian. Charlie Bucket: What happened? Willy Wonka: He lived happily ever after. Charlie Bucket: 🫂.
And after Charlie won The competion his mom started to say everyone: its pronounced Bouquet! 20 years and finally got it 😄 Edit. I can't believe I forgot that I have fun facts about some of the actors: The actor playing Mr. Slugworth was played by a German actor Gunter Meisner who was known for playing a certain leader of Germany in the 1940's. One of the Oompa Loompas is played by Angelo Muscat who was also the in the original the Prisoner tv show as the Butler.
When someone was born over a hundred years ago, and something they wrote is over 70 years old, and they died 30 years ago... you kind of have to give it a light pass on the racism. (And the fat shaming and the gay panic or whatever else). It doesn't excuse it or make it right by any means, but society was just *different* then. That we've gotten better as a society and are really thrown off now by these things is GOOD, and in another 100 years people will be appalled by things we're totally accepting of... but the racism wasn't a special feature to Dahl, it was just kind of standard to the time.
@@robbybevard8034 What happens when society changes again, and the attitudes you are currently cheering are considered bad again? Will it "just be society" and will you change with them? If not, you understand how the rest of us feel now. That'll be you, later.
oh yeah nothing more extreme in racism than drawing an unflattering caricature of people whose entire genotype happened to belong to one nation, which was objectively a monstrous one. It's not as if he drew all the nazis ugly too OH WAIT. Get over it, Hirohito was ugly, and very uncharacteristic of his people. Dahl wrote all kinds of things about equality and understanding and all that other la-la nice stuff. But when there was an evil empire ready to fight down to the last man, he made sure you hated that entity like you should. After the war's over and the political entity is dissolved, you go back to loving the people. that's how it works.
@@KairuHakubi what the hell are you talking about? Admittedly it’s been a hot minute since I’ve read Dahls books, but which work of his did he actually draw pictures of Nazis or Hirohito? Dahl may have written about equality in other areas, but he was a racist. You know who else was? Ian Fleming, and C. S. Lewis. All our heroes were actually monsters, it doesn’t mean you can’t still enjoy their work, it just means you need to be aware of the kind of person they were and be cogent of when it bleeds into the art your consuming.
This channel deserves far more viewers than it has.
One story about Wilder's casting- he told the producers that he'd take the role only if he was allowed to make his entrance as he wished: that limping walk out the door, followed by the fall, tuck roll, and spring up to his feet.
They went back and forth, and finally, 'Why is this so important to you, Gene? Why must you do it that way?'
'Because, from that moment on, from the minute we see Wonka, the audience will never know whether Wonka is lying, or telling the truth.'
Nice.
Wish that other performances (like DiCaprio in Wolf of Wall Street) had put this kind of thought into them. Otherwise you see what the character is… an asshole.
I'm surprised that you didn't mention Dahl's career in military intelligence during the war, especially considering that he actually had worked with Ian Fleming at that time. That was one of the reasons Dahl wrote the screenplays for those Bond films; he knew Fleming personally.
Roald Dahl was probably the closest thing to a real-life James Bond.
@@NobodyC13Besides Jon Pertwee.
@@dvader518now I will be looking over my shoulder every day for R Dahl, Ian F, and now Jon P…..
@@dvader518lets not forget Christopher Lee
John Pertwee was their Q. Having to explain all the gadgets and new tech.
Oh yeah, he was in espionage wasn't he? (Hi, can you tell I only know this because of Drunk History?)
Apparently Sammy Davis Jr. wanted the part of the shop owner in the film, and thus asked to record the song, only for Aubrey Woods (British bit-part actor, probably most famous outside of this film for being the Controller on the Doctor Who serial Day of the Daleks) to get the part instead.
So, he purposefully hammed up the recording, hoping that he could get it scrapped, only for the executives to love it and he had to release it. Then it hit #1.
Absolutely fantastic, I always enjoy these background videos and this is no exception
Yeah, it's the quality, fairness, and depths of the reviews that made me a fan. I started watching the SF debris videos a month or two before he reviewed The Thaw from Voyager, and that review was what made me a fan.
@@hariman7727for me it was The 37s that got me into his work. I'd watched a few Voyager videos and thought they were at times overly harsh, and then his explanation in that video about how his feelings towards the show aren't of hate but rather disappointment. It cast his criticisms in a different light and I was very much on board for the sort of analysis that he made.
@@hariman7727 The Thaw review is such a classic. I watch it and Threshold a few times a year.
@@kyle857 I can't remember when I first started watching but it was so long ago during his Voyager-only stuff. I think it was around the time Confused Matthew stopped doing his own reviews. Right away, though, I was hooked on how he handled both analysis and comedy, it reminded me more than a little bit of Mystery Science Theater 3000 which may be part of what drew me to his work to begin with.
I remember laughing so hard during his Threshold review I made myself sick.
4:21 Huh, that's interesting. None of the cinematic depictions over the years ever gave him any facial hair.
it's funny, I read the books first, and the illustrations and textual descriptions made him SO clear to me. I didn't really know actors at the time, but later I would always say, the guy who could play Wonka facially (and probably with a personality more like the book) would have to be Martin Short. Who also always should have played the Mad Hatter, and only did wayyy later in life.
Particularly in the sequel, there's attention paid to just how kinda odd Wonka looks, racially ambiguous, his nose, eyelids, hair, all kinda.. mismatched and distinctive.
But yknow, what the movie did definitely worked.
They decided against giving facial hair to Johnny Depp in order to avoid obvious comparisons to Jack Sparrow.
You should hear the audiobook version narrated by Eric Idle.
well now I know what I'm listening to for 3 hours or so this week.
Oh that’s cool, glad to know one of the pythons was able to get involved with Wonka after all!
I’ll take movies I didn’t expect you to look at for 500 please!
I was never the biggest Wonka fan, whether it came to the books, movies, and even the purchasable, edible candy. Even when it comes to Dhal, my favorite story of his was Matilda.
But I do appreciate all the Wonka stuff for their impact, and most especially the original movie with its songs and Gene Wilder’s amazing performance.
you dont know how good it is to see you posting.
"Can I interest you in a wide awake nightmare?" -MST3K
Roald Dahl was an author that I couldn't have named as a kid, but who definetly helped shape my young world. I will always be grateful to him for that.
This movie was one I saw several times. Gene Wilder was captivating. I never knew what he was going to do from moment to moment. And looking at it with repeat viewings, I catch more and more that I missed.
Well this is one I wouldn't have expected to see covered, but, cool! Looking forwards to it.
I can't watch yet because I must sleep, but this will be something I watch when I wake up.
Loving how I never quite know what you're going to talk about, but I adore it every time.
In English hydrocephalus is usually pronounced hydro-seph-a-lus not syph-a-lus. Cephalus means head hydro means (water), hydrocephalus, water on the brain. Technically since it is from the Greek κεφαλον (and the c in Latin was originally hard also but at some point in a lot of languages became soft) we should pronounce the c as hard, but no one did that so soft c (s sound) it is when one speaks English. Alexander the Great's horse was Bucephalus (bull's head) and the standard English pronunciation of -cephalus in that is as in hydrocephalus, if that helps (probably does not since it is at least as obscure) .
Looking it up: Syphilis is derived from an imaginary character's name imagined as the 1st sufferer of that disease.
Interesting as someone with an intercranial shunt for hydrocephalus it is interesting to hear about it. Checking the Wikipedia page Dahl was inspired by the poor function of the shunt his son received to invent a better one and shunts have continued to progress since.
Interesting film and video! I didn't even know about Willy Wonka as a kid, but its influence on pop culture is obviously strong and cultural osmosis finally took its toll. It is fascinating to look for the film locations in your own home, how the old structures have been changed, modernized - or essentially stayed the same! The "school", for example, is actually a nice, old church, beautifully renovated. And many other places can still be found if you know where to look.
Commenting to appease the algorithm. Also wanting to get in before people complain about this not being Star Trek.
Especially after Discovery ended and some people are looking for a place to make their pleasure known haha.
_or is it?_
Don't take this the wrong way, but this comment is the first time I've ever heard anyone complain about Chuck reviewing non _Star Trek_ properties.
Then again, I've never hung out in the _SFDebris_ forums, either...
That said, I'd be surprised if any light hearted Trek stories in the future don't include a Willy Wonka/Charlie parody say on a planet of Oompa Loompa like beings.
I recall Wonka being such a loved film in Ireland that we had viewings of it in all sorts of threatrers around me. Not even the niche ones that showed old films, I'm talking about places that were getting the latest stuff. And this in turn lead to a lot Wonka Bar adverts throughout my childhood.
I think more for the anniversary of the film than it was because Ireland liked it so much. Now, that came in the fact that the remake was aired and reaired several times. With extra showings. We had a special Christmas showing, several years after the movie came out where everyone with a free coupon would be let see the film.
... they had to extend how long they were going to show the film. Because so many people were coming in they just didn't have the space. Some of us had to sit on the floors, that was how much we wanted to see the film. I already had it on DVD at the time.
Just weirdly beloved property.
Not so much anymore. It seems Wonka love died out some time ago.
To quote: "Fan-fucking-tastic". Well done Chuck
@0:34 It's "Llandaff" (/lænˈdæf/), not "Landahlf". Some location work for episodes of Doctor Who has been done there. Very picturesque.
Whoa. This background is almost on par with the story itself. Ain't that wacky?
I never realized the Goons were trying to get the part of Wonka! Spike would have brought a veeeerry different energy to the role.
One day, one of us will click the golden video and receive an invitation to Charles Sonnenberg's Review Factory.
I'm amazed this classic wasn't a huge success when it first came out.
I'm so glad that Peter Sellers didn't get the role. He was the wrong kind of manic and also kind of a complete *monster* of a man who so abused his own family that his idea of hell would be seeing them being happy without him.
He also tried to beef with Orson Welles and failed miserably because Welles didn't give a shit, punched the producer of the 1960s Casino Royale movie, tried to destroy the careers of basically every woman who crossed his path... Yeah, Peter Sellers was the worst.
My dreams are going to be haunted by images of Graham Chapman as Willy Wonka.
Thanks, Chuck.
3:53 - part 2 made me realize I'd pay real money for a Charlie and the Chocolate Factory audiobook narrated by Chuck.
I think it’s a toss up between Young Frankenstein and Willy Wonka for Gene Wilder’s most iconic role.
I wish Robin Williams could’ve played Wonka in the 90s, he woulda been amazing...... :’)
Great video.
Y'know, I never would have even thought of Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory as a sci-fi movie. I wonder how that works.
Chuck covers speculative fiction, which is a pretty broad term. While he mostly does Sci Fi this movie is arguably a fairy tale which fits under the speculative fiction umbrella
Well, Willy Wonka is basically a mad scientist in chocolatier and candy man clothing. He's developing hair toffee (which could help cancer patients and people with hair loss), a gum that's basically a food pill and could end world hunger once it stops turning the consumer into fruit; and as the 2005 film put it, basically invented a teleporter (breaking all known laws of physics and conservation of matter) just for the applications of candy!
@@NobodyC13 And the sequel book which has never been adapted, he invents things that reverse aging, they go into space, and meet aliens.
It's a tragedy that no one has ever had the balls to take on the sequel. C'mon you can make this twice and an unneeded prequel for good measure but not bring in the aliens?
From what I remember, didnt they try to during Dahl's lifetime but were stopped by the author himself because he hated the changes made to the Wilder film?
@@myriadmediamusingsthink he even left instructions for after his death forbidding the sequel being made.
@@myriadmediamusings Dahl once actually stood outside the theater to convince people not to see The Witches (based on another book of his) because he hated the happy ending they tacked on (the book ended with ALL the witches dead or turned into mice, and the protagonist and Bruno were permanently mice) the movie ended with one of the witches turning good and reversing the protagonist's transformation before moving on to Bruno. And Dahl was in his twilight years and would pass the following year, so he must've been really pissed.
He loved Angelica Huston as the Grand High Witch, however, his most favorite casting.
It's TOO weird. Same reason we're never going to see an adaptation of the 101 Dalmatians sequel "The Starlight Barking", or any of the later Wizard of Oz books. Which is weird, you'd think with there being 14 of them total, SOMEONE would have gotten past the second one at some point.
I remember Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator from when I was a kid. Was even weirder than the first book.
That reminds me, I'm getting this book for my dad for Father's Day.
OK finally tuning in. let's goooooo
Also... Landolf? 🤣
This is my favorite movie.
#DisneyDiva ❤
I find it ironic, as much as Dahl disliked the changes made in "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" to turn it into "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory", they were nothing compared to the changes Dahl made to Ian Flemming's only children's book "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" . I had loved the book, having read it prior to the film's release, and what I saw in the film when it came out. I like both, but they have little in common. I actually think the ending of "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory", was a big improvement over the way the book ended.
The one thing a writer can’t stand is being rewritten by someone else. Even if it’s an improvement, they hate it because it wasn’t by their design. It proved that writers are dispensable.
Did not see this coming.
Watching this and your review, I find myself just saying "Wow!" every couple of minutes. I never knew that Charlie was going to be black!
0:38 - oof, that pronunciation of Llandaff. 😬 I can’t exactly blame you as you’ve likely had little to no opportunity to encounter Welsh, but it still pains even a non-Welsh speaking Welshman like myself to hear it butchered so. In case you ever need to say anything Welsh containing ‘ll’, in Welsh, ll is not the same as two Ls in English, it’s actually a single letter in and of itself. Not exactly sure of how to describe it, best I can do is it sounds a little bit like th and l run together.
If you want a more concrete explanation, check out the youtuber ‘The Welsh Viking’; he recently did a video where he got a bunch of other RUclipsrs from various countries to try pronouncing Welsh place names and he covered how to pronounce ll, including the technical term for what it is.
eh? doesn't LL just sound like L? that's what he said. I mean "Llewellyn" always just sounds like loowelyn. is that not the original pronunciation?
I swear, when they brought roman letters to all the celtic people in britain, they taught them wrong on purpose.
@@KairuHakubi nope, loowelin is not how Llewelyn is pronounced. That’s how it’s mispronounced by people that don’t know how to pronounce ll in Welsh.
@@lordofuzkulak8308 it's how Robert Llewellyn pronounces it! Well okay, so it's a combination of L and TH? do you mean like, an alveolar tap? like the asian L/R?
@@KairuHakubi its a voiceless alveolar lateral fricative.
@@KairuHakubi en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ll
And Temporary Blindness from the Plane Crash, It's all in The Books Boy Tales of Childhood and Going Solo. Wilder would only do it if he came out as Lame, The whole Opening was Gene's Idea to let The audience know that Wonka Ain't Quite right. It was Both Young Frankenstein and Willy Wonka that catapulted Gene Wilder's Career. Willy Wonka And The Chocolate Factory Remains Dr. Perter Ostrum's only Film, After Willy Wonka he went back to school and he is now a Practicing Veterinarian. Charlie Bucket: What happened? Willy Wonka: He lived happily ever after. Charlie Bucket: 🫂.
And after Charlie won The competion his mom started to say everyone: its pronounced Bouquet!
20 years and finally got it 😄
Edit. I can't believe I forgot that I have fun facts about some of the actors:
The actor playing Mr. Slugworth was played by a German actor Gunter Meisner who was known for playing a certain leader of Germany in the 1940's.
One of the Oompa Loompas is played by Angelo Muscat who was also the in the original the Prisoner tv show as the Butler.
Dahl was Welsh?!
Born in Wales, ethnically Norwegian
I don’t understand why the movie wasn’t called Willy Wonka’s Chocolate Factory.
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All the things that made Dahl special…like racism, don’t forget the extreme racism
When someone was born over a hundred years ago, and something they wrote is over 70 years old, and they died 30 years ago... you kind of have to give it a light pass on the racism. (And the fat shaming and the gay panic or whatever else). It doesn't excuse it or make it right by any means, but society was just *different* then. That we've gotten better as a society and are really thrown off now by these things is GOOD, and in another 100 years people will be appalled by things we're totally accepting of... but the racism wasn't a special feature to Dahl, it was just kind of standard to the time.
Racism made Dahl special in the same eating meat would make someone today special -- in other words, not at all.
@@robbybevard8034 What happens when society changes again, and the attitudes you are currently cheering are considered bad again? Will it "just be society" and will you change with them?
If not, you understand how the rest of us feel now. That'll be you, later.
oh yeah nothing more extreme in racism than drawing an unflattering caricature of people whose entire genotype happened to belong to one nation, which was objectively a monstrous one. It's not as if he drew all the nazis ugly too OH WAIT.
Get over it, Hirohito was ugly, and very uncharacteristic of his people. Dahl wrote all kinds of things about equality and understanding and all that other la-la nice stuff. But when there was an evil empire ready to fight down to the last man, he made sure you hated that entity like you should. After the war's over and the political entity is dissolved, you go back to loving the people. that's how it works.
@@KairuHakubi what the hell are you talking about? Admittedly it’s been a hot minute since I’ve read Dahls books, but which work of his did he actually draw pictures of Nazis or Hirohito? Dahl may have written about equality in other areas, but he was a racist. You know who else was? Ian Fleming, and C. S. Lewis. All our heroes were actually monsters, it doesn’t mean you can’t still enjoy their work, it just means you need to be aware of the kind of person they were and be cogent of when it bleeds into the art your consuming.