From Here To Infinity Tie-In, Part 1

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  • Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
  • Tie-In Episode 1: In this two-part diversion, we take a look at the ancillary actions that may not have directly contributed to Thanos story, but are interesting nonetheless and serve as a sort of time capsule. In this part, Marvel provides a finale for Counter-Earth, which puts things in motion that will result in the event known as The Evolutionary War. Along the way we stop in to visit the Fantastic Four, the X-Books, and the West Coast Avengers.

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  • @Caernath
    @Caernath 11 месяцев назад +6

    Of course the High Evolutionary wasn't impressed by the Young Gods, he respects his true creator Jack Kirby too much to acknowledge these pipsqueaks calling themselves the New Gods!

  • @daelen.cclark
    @daelen.cclark 11 месяцев назад +9

    Y’know… you explain this Evolutionary War event and it sounds like you’re going insane.

  • @kevinkeeney9418
    @kevinkeeney9418 11 месяцев назад +4

    Man, it's fun to see some of the comics I read in the 80s pass through this timeline and remember how often I had no idea what was going on. That Hulk issue with monkey Betty and Rick was the first time I'd even heard of the High Evolutionary. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • @kradeiz
    @kradeiz 11 месяцев назад +5

    The event that triggered the schism between Mockingbird and Hawkeye got retconned several years ago and it astoundingly made it even worse.

    • @SMAXZO
      @SMAXZO 11 месяцев назад

      What was the retcon again?

    • @kradeiz
      @kradeiz 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@SMAXZO That Mockingbird was never drugged and assaulted, Hawkeye just made that up so he didn’t have to deal with the idea that his wife cheated on him. Which is just…yikes.

    • @mikegates8993
      @mikegates8993 10 месяцев назад +1

      Sigh, between that, the Marvel Ultimate version of him, and Bendis' insistence on making Hawkeye kill people when he used to have a code against killing that was almost as strong as Batman's, it makes me think that some writers at Marvel really hate the poor guy for some reason.

    • @SMAXZO
      @SMAXZO 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@kradeiz So Mockingbird cheated on Hawkeye..and let Phantom Rider die...OUR HEROES!

    • @kradeiz
      @kradeiz 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@SMAXZO Exactly. It goes from her killing her rapist to killing to cover up her infidelity.

  • @SageofStars
    @SageofStars 11 месяцев назад +2

    For the final part of the Evolutionary War, the Spiderman thing, I actually like the revelation that the Jackal ISN'T able to make real clones at this point. That for all his boasting, his techniques are imperfect, and as we find out, a LOT of his creations just dissolve after a few minutes, some before they understand anything.
    It makes the fact that THIS one survived for a few months/years(Comic time is weird) make a lot more sense, when characters like Kian, Spidercide(Yes really), and even Jackal's own various cloned selves were so prone to meltdowns, as otherwise his machinations never made sense even in the first two parts of the Clone Saga...you now the ones the writers intended to make, not what marketing forced them to do.
    With this, he hasn't perfected his process yet, and thus, the reason for the Saga to exist...and bad as it gets, the first parts are pretty good as far as comics in the 90s go for writing...damning with faint praise is still praise. Mind, now like, a dozen people can whip up a clone body or two in a few hours...hell Marvel Zombies claims he created enough clones of Peter and Gwen to feed the zombies under the Kingpin for years, before that melted down thanks to Bender...I mean the Machine Man.

    • @wdcain1
      @wdcain1 10 месяцев назад +1

      I really like the idea that Jackel is a bad scientist. His only real accomplishment is the Carrion virus and that was an accident.

    • @daelen.cclark
      @daelen.cclark 10 месяцев назад

      That would actually be an interesting way to adapt that series.
      Have the big revelation be that these clones are mostly altered people in order to keep themselves from dissolving, and bring in Ben Reilly as a full-clone as a big development.

  • @chrisw207
    @chrisw207 11 месяцев назад +7

    Okay, I just have to. No mention High Evolutionary popped in for a few pages to annoy ALF?

    • @sfdebris
      @sfdebris  11 месяцев назад +7

      I read it, and I'd say that, really, it was the other way around. :-)

    • @johnoneil9188
      @johnoneil9188 11 месяцев назад

      ......what?!

    • @chrisw207
      @chrisw207 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@johnoneil9188 ALF annual 1. Penned as a dream sequence, HE shows up just to make sure ALF won't interfere with his goals.

    • @ShadowWingTronix
      @ShadowWingTronix 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@chrisw207We also learned the High Evolutionary spoke at ALF/Gordon's graduation when he joined the Orbit Guard.

  • @user-mx7hg9sx4p
    @user-mx7hg9sx4p 9 месяцев назад

    Awesome fun channel ❗🔥💯👍

  • @crystorix
    @crystorix 11 месяцев назад

    Amazing coincidence. I was actually completely randomly thinking about the Senses villains from that West Coast Avengers annual just earlier today, and then I came home to find this video.

  • @tipulsar85
    @tipulsar85 11 месяцев назад +3

    Ah, I was wondering why the comic reviews felt familiar in style. Is it time to slice a side of beef with a broadsword?

    • @sfdebris
      @sfdebris  11 месяцев назад +3

      I can see you're someone of culture as well.

    • @tipulsar85
      @tipulsar85 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@sfdebris Burke did what most of my teachers in grade school and Junior High couldn't do. Make History be interesting and connective. Didn't help that the teachers were having to deal with extremely standardized tests. The WASL (Washington Assessment of Student Learning) was just coming in and did not do it's job. It didn't help that the year I had to take it for 10th grade,the Math test had one of the worst injokes for the state as the correct answer. An answer that I had mentioned to my teacher that was the strangest thing to see in a standardized test. That answer? "Mary Kay Letourneau", yes really.

    • @boobah5643
      @boobah5643 11 месяцев назад

      @@tipulsar85 Well, at least they weren't pretending her brush with infamy never happened. On the other hand, the only reason I recognize the name is because TVTropes has (or had) an entry titled "Mary Kay Letourneau Teaches Here," and you can only follow links with the same cryptic titles so many times before you start to remember what they mean.

  • @lynngreen7978
    @lynngreen7978 11 месяцев назад +2

    Johnny and Alicia didn't last long, I started reading a few months later, and Lyja was on the team.

    • @cthulhupthagn5771
      @cthulhupthagn5771 9 месяцев назад

      True but that was because Lyja had been written to have been pretending to be Alicia so as not to ruin bens relationship...at least as I recall?

  • @fangjokerLS
    @fangjokerLS 11 месяцев назад +1

    Oh man. The Evolutionary War was sure. . .some comics

  • @DeconvertedMan
    @DeconvertedMan 11 месяцев назад +3

    this story line is hard to follow @_@;

  • @TevyaSmolka
    @TevyaSmolka 11 месяцев назад

    Yay more marvel infinity sign me up 😊

  • @wdcain1
    @wdcain1 11 месяцев назад

    I'm really surprised Mark Gruenwald had such a hatred for the Korvac Saga. In the '90s, Wizard Magazine praised the story, putting it in the top 10 best Marvel stories of all time.

    • @cthulhupthagn5771
      @cthulhupthagn5771 9 месяцев назад

      He didnt hate the story, he just hated Shooters take that Korvac was actually a good person.
      The story is fine, just to him not that premise.
      Interestingly, Kprvac is also used in a 4 part annual story (Korvac Quest) and in Battleworlds and in the former leans to Shooter and the latter Gruenwald in approach.
      I chalk up Shooters take to him being maybe a fan of old scifi. The 50s or so were full of stories where the main focus is someone trying to use force to uplift humanity

  • @peggyliepmann5248
    @peggyliepmann5248 10 месяцев назад +1

    Goddamn the X-Men books got overcomplicated. I'm sure it made sense at the time, but now it's just a mess.

    • @daelen.cclark
      @daelen.cclark 10 месяцев назад

      Wasn’t it always like that?
      I haven’t seen very much X-Men.

  • @ImperatorPenguin
    @ImperatorPenguin 11 месяцев назад

    I had thought of a fart-based supervillain... his shtick is that he's a Roman god. Farticus.

  • @mightybluespider
    @mightybluespider 10 месяцев назад

    is part 5 what you call part 6?

    • @sfdebris
      @sfdebris  10 месяцев назад

      For some reason part 5 wasn't on the playlist. It's there now.

  • @daelen.cclark
    @daelen.cclark 11 месяцев назад

    & let’s not forget: X-men annual 12 introduced the X-Babies!
    (Better than it sounds. Look it up.)

  • @ThePiachu
    @ThePiachu 11 месяцев назад +2

    Man, this has been a slog to listen to. So many stories that are a bit bonkers...

    • @jlev1028
      @jlev1028 10 месяцев назад +2

      That's superhero comics in a nutshell.

    • @daelen.cclark
      @daelen.cclark 10 месяцев назад

      @@jlev1028
      It’s usually fun.

  • @lynngreen7978
    @lynngreen7978 11 месяцев назад +1

    New Gods? Aren't they DC?

    • @crystorix
      @crystorix 11 месяцев назад

      An understandable mistake on his part. They're actually called the Young Gods.

    • @lynngreen7978
      @lynngreen7978 10 месяцев назад

      @@crystorix Ah, thanks.

  • @hariman7727
    @hariman7727 11 месяцев назад

    So much ridiculousness and story and character work.

    • @cthulhupthagn5771
      @cthulhupthagn5771 9 месяцев назад +1

      And yet so much more engaging than anything in the last 15 years - something I attribute in large part to the attention to continuity