Chuck, you make great videos, and you made a truly engaging video on the Evolutionary War… But I will never forgive you for introducing us to The Slug.
Of course the High Evolutionary wasn't impressed by the Young Gods, he respects his true creator Jack Kirby too much to acknowledge these pipsqueaks calling themselves the New Gods!
Man, it's fun to see some of the comics I read in the 80s pass through this timeline and remember how often I had no idea what was going on. That Hulk issue with monkey Betty and Rick was the first time I'd even heard of the High Evolutionary. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Amazing coincidence. I was actually completely randomly thinking about the Senses villains from that West Coast Avengers annual just earlier today, and then I came home to find this video.
For the final part of the Evolutionary War, the Spiderman thing, I actually like the revelation that the Jackal ISN'T able to make real clones at this point. That for all his boasting, his techniques are imperfect, and as we find out, a LOT of his creations just dissolve after a few minutes, some before they understand anything. It makes the fact that THIS one survived for a few months/years(Comic time is weird) make a lot more sense, when characters like Kian, Spidercide(Yes really), and even Jackal's own various cloned selves were so prone to meltdowns, as otherwise his machinations never made sense even in the first two parts of the Clone Saga...you now the ones the writers intended to make, not what marketing forced them to do. With this, he hasn't perfected his process yet, and thus, the reason for the Saga to exist...and bad as it gets, the first parts are pretty good as far as comics in the 90s go for writing...damning with faint praise is still praise. Mind, now like, a dozen people can whip up a clone body or two in a few hours...hell Marvel Zombies claims he created enough clones of Peter and Gwen to feed the zombies under the Kingpin for years, before that melted down thanks to Bender...I mean the Machine Man.
That would actually be an interesting way to adapt that series. Have the big revelation be that these clones are mostly altered people in order to keep themselves from dissolving, and bring in Ben Reilly as a full-clone as a big development.
@@SMAXZO That Mockingbird was never drugged and assaulted, Hawkeye just made that up so he didn’t have to deal with the idea that his wife cheated on him. Which is just…yikes.
Sigh, between that, the Marvel Ultimate version of him, and Bendis' insistence on making Hawkeye kill people when he used to have a code against killing that was almost as strong as Batman's, it makes me think that some writers at Marvel really hate the poor guy for some reason.
@@sfdebris Burke did what most of my teachers in grade school and Junior High couldn't do. Make History be interesting and connective. Didn't help that the teachers were having to deal with extremely standardized tests. The WASL (Washington Assessment of Student Learning) was just coming in and did not do it's job. It didn't help that the year I had to take it for 10th grade,the Math test had one of the worst injokes for the state as the correct answer. An answer that I had mentioned to my teacher that was the strangest thing to see in a standardized test. That answer? "Mary Kay Letourneau", yes really.
@@tipulsar85 Well, at least they weren't pretending her brush with infamy never happened. On the other hand, the only reason I recognize the name is because TVTropes has (or had) an entry titled "Mary Kay Letourneau Teaches Here," and you can only follow links with the same cryptic titles so many times before you start to remember what they mean.
I'm really surprised Mark Gruenwald had such a hatred for the Korvac Saga. In the '90s, Wizard Magazine praised the story, putting it in the top 10 best Marvel stories of all time.
He didnt hate the story, he just hated Shooters take that Korvac was actually a good person. The story is fine, just to him not that premise. Interestingly, Kprvac is also used in a 4 part annual story (Korvac Quest) and in Battleworlds and in the former leans to Shooter and the latter Gruenwald in approach. I chalk up Shooters take to him being maybe a fan of old scifi. The 50s or so were full of stories where the main focus is someone trying to use force to uplift humanity
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Chuck, you make great videos, and you made a truly engaging video on the Evolutionary War…
But I will never forgive you for introducing us to The Slug.
Of course the High Evolutionary wasn't impressed by the Young Gods, he respects his true creator Jack Kirby too much to acknowledge these pipsqueaks calling themselves the New Gods!
Man, it's fun to see some of the comics I read in the 80s pass through this timeline and remember how often I had no idea what was going on. That Hulk issue with monkey Betty and Rick was the first time I'd even heard of the High Evolutionary. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Okay, I just have to. No mention High Evolutionary popped in for a few pages to annoy ALF?
I read it, and I'd say that, really, it was the other way around. :-)
......what?!
@@johnoneil9188 ALF annual 1. Penned as a dream sequence, HE shows up just to make sure ALF won't interfere with his goals.
@@chrisw207We also learned the High Evolutionary spoke at ALF/Gordon's graduation when he joined the Orbit Guard.
Amazing coincidence. I was actually completely randomly thinking about the Senses villains from that West Coast Avengers annual just earlier today, and then I came home to find this video.
Y’know… you explain this Evolutionary War event and it sounds like you’re going insane.
For the final part of the Evolutionary War, the Spiderman thing, I actually like the revelation that the Jackal ISN'T able to make real clones at this point. That for all his boasting, his techniques are imperfect, and as we find out, a LOT of his creations just dissolve after a few minutes, some before they understand anything.
It makes the fact that THIS one survived for a few months/years(Comic time is weird) make a lot more sense, when characters like Kian, Spidercide(Yes really), and even Jackal's own various cloned selves were so prone to meltdowns, as otherwise his machinations never made sense even in the first two parts of the Clone Saga...you now the ones the writers intended to make, not what marketing forced them to do.
With this, he hasn't perfected his process yet, and thus, the reason for the Saga to exist...and bad as it gets, the first parts are pretty good as far as comics in the 90s go for writing...damning with faint praise is still praise. Mind, now like, a dozen people can whip up a clone body or two in a few hours...hell Marvel Zombies claims he created enough clones of Peter and Gwen to feed the zombies under the Kingpin for years, before that melted down thanks to Bender...I mean the Machine Man.
I really like the idea that Jackel is a bad scientist. His only real accomplishment is the Carrion virus and that was an accident.
That would actually be an interesting way to adapt that series.
Have the big revelation be that these clones are mostly altered people in order to keep themselves from dissolving, and bring in Ben Reilly as a full-clone as a big development.
The event that triggered the schism between Mockingbird and Hawkeye got retconned several years ago and it astoundingly made it even worse.
What was the retcon again?
@@SMAXZO That Mockingbird was never drugged and assaulted, Hawkeye just made that up so he didn’t have to deal with the idea that his wife cheated on him. Which is just…yikes.
Sigh, between that, the Marvel Ultimate version of him, and Bendis' insistence on making Hawkeye kill people when he used to have a code against killing that was almost as strong as Batman's, it makes me think that some writers at Marvel really hate the poor guy for some reason.
@@kradeiz So Mockingbird cheated on Hawkeye..and let Phantom Rider die...OUR HEROES!
@@SMAXZO Exactly. It goes from her killing her rapist to killing to cover up her infidelity.
Yay more marvel infinity sign me up 😊
Ah, I was wondering why the comic reviews felt familiar in style. Is it time to slice a side of beef with a broadsword?
I can see you're someone of culture as well.
@@sfdebris Burke did what most of my teachers in grade school and Junior High couldn't do. Make History be interesting and connective. Didn't help that the teachers were having to deal with extremely standardized tests. The WASL (Washington Assessment of Student Learning) was just coming in and did not do it's job. It didn't help that the year I had to take it for 10th grade,the Math test had one of the worst injokes for the state as the correct answer. An answer that I had mentioned to my teacher that was the strangest thing to see in a standardized test. That answer? "Mary Kay Letourneau", yes really.
@@tipulsar85 Well, at least they weren't pretending her brush with infamy never happened. On the other hand, the only reason I recognize the name is because TVTropes has (or had) an entry titled "Mary Kay Letourneau Teaches Here," and you can only follow links with the same cryptic titles so many times before you start to remember what they mean.
20:55 Hey it's New York, if your plan to purify genetics makes it there, it can make it anywhere.
is part 5 what you call part 6?
For some reason part 5 wasn't on the playlist. It's there now.
Oh man. The Evolutionary War was sure. . .some comics
Johnny and Alicia didn't last long, I started reading a few months later, and Lyja was on the team.
True but that was because Lyja had been written to have been pretending to be Alicia so as not to ruin bens relationship...at least as I recall?
I'm really surprised Mark Gruenwald had such a hatred for the Korvac Saga. In the '90s, Wizard Magazine praised the story, putting it in the top 10 best Marvel stories of all time.
He didnt hate the story, he just hated Shooters take that Korvac was actually a good person.
The story is fine, just to him not that premise.
Interestingly, Kprvac is also used in a 4 part annual story (Korvac Quest) and in Battleworlds and in the former leans to Shooter and the latter Gruenwald in approach.
I chalk up Shooters take to him being maybe a fan of old scifi. The 50s or so were full of stories where the main focus is someone trying to use force to uplift humanity
I had thought of a fart-based supervillain... his shtick is that he's a Roman god. Farticus.
this story line is hard to follow @_@;
& let’s not forget: X-men annual 12 introduced the X-Babies!
(Better than it sounds. Look it up.)
Goddamn the X-Men books got overcomplicated. I'm sure it made sense at the time, but now it's just a mess.
Wasn’t it always like that?
I haven’t seen very much X-Men.
New Gods? Aren't they DC?
An understandable mistake on his part. They're actually called the Young Gods.
@@crystorix Ah, thanks.
Man, this has been a slog to listen to. So many stories that are a bit bonkers...
That's superhero comics in a nutshell.
@@jlev1028
It’s usually fun.
So much ridiculousness and story and character work.
And yet so much more engaging than anything in the last 15 years - something I attribute in large part to the attention to continuity