IN ADVANCE: I have only now become aware that cherries are in fact Stonefruits and not Berries. And Zebedee is in fact a Biblical name! It was the original version of Zebedaiah. I had never heard it pronounced that way. Apologies for the inaccuracy / oversight!
The neat part of that is -- due to being part of the same genus (Prunus) -- you can graft peaches, plums, nectarines, apricots, cherries, and almonds onto the same tree.
My head cannon is that lofty and wonka go on to make a massive chocolate factory, they get stolen from, they shut down, lofty convinces wonka to go back to loompa land, he hires the oompa loompas, but then lofty dies and it makes wonka into the gene wilder incarnation and it's lofty dieing that makes him realise that he needs an heir
*canon and yes, I sure like this more than "they wanted to replace him because of unexplained reasons, with a random kid, after many years" being physically smaller generally does come with shorter lifespans, at least for mammals like humans, so I wouldn't be surprised if oompa loompas had significantly shorter lifespans, say, somewhere around 40-50 years or something, and lofty is very much adult, by the time willy meets him
@@msjkrameyI wonder if they are refering to dwarfism, however even then in general it's not true either. Plus mammals are very strange, you've got rats that live 12 months then you've got naked mole rats that live 30 years. Then you've got elephants which live about 50 years and they are huge but then humans can surpass them by almost double that. You have whales where they bigger they are the long they generally live and then you have dogs where the smaller you are the longer you live. I personally haven't seen enough evidence or convincing studies to actually prove shorter people live longer but there are no studies suggesting that taller people live longer. I just assume if there is a difference then it's very minor.
They are being saved for Wonka 2, where we find out Willy Wonka was driven to become the broken man he was in the gene wilder film as a result of the machinations of the mysterious, masked Chocolateier known as "the unknown" and the eventual revelation that behind that metal mask was none other than his former old friend turned bitter enemy once his business destroyed the wealth she could have inherited, Noodle Slugworth. Seriously, Noodle out for revenge against Willy for destroying her inheritance as the Unknown just fits, for some reason.
I would have just guessed that Wonka accidentally invented some form of Mind-Swapper Chocolate, and lofty used it to steal his body, which would explain why future Wonka acts like Lofty.
I think the Wonka we see in Willy Wonka and the chocolate factory was an apprentice taken in by (Timothee's) Wonka in between the events of both films and if he had invented a chocolate like that, Lofty would use it with said apprentice to allow him to live longer and it drove him mad which is why (Gene Wilder's) Wonka in the 1971 film is a little crazy and is unfazed by the kids dying and has anger issues as shown in the " You get nothing" segment
In the movie wonka explains he didnt learn to read and always just trusted in the kindness of people. In the movie you see that he begins to realise that not everyone is kind and caring like him....The cartel stopping him, the public destroying his shop, the corruption of the chief, scrubbit, bleacher etc. I think over time wonka kept putting his trust in peoples kindness and people kept taking advantage of him untill he eventually snaps and shuts down the factory. After a while wonka (wilder) realises he needs someone to take over and as he doesnt trust people anymore he puts out the gold tickets and then puts the kids through numerous brutal trials to see if there is anyone left in the world who is kind and caring enough, like wonka himself used to be, to take over his legacy and hopefully put the love back into the chocolate. The candyman can cos he mixes it with love and makes the world taste good.
Wonka being a fool acting the part of a genius explains why he acts like Charlie from It's Always Sunny, when a couple of guys "give him pills that increase his intelligence but make him frail"
Right? I think the team behind the release knew that - but they can’t contact him because natural and free promotion is far better than paying someone who lacks passion. How else do you get people excited about a prequel without a lil dash of social engineering?
Honestly rather interesting. I’ve seen like dozens of theories saying Wonka enslaved the Oompa Loompas, but this is the first time I’ve seen a theory that the Oompa Loompas basically enslaved Wonka
Fun fact, Gene Wilder said that in the original the whole point of him walking out with a cane and then dropping it into a somersault was to signify that he cannot be trusted
not know when he's telling the truth or not, that's pretty much where the game begins. Because the idea to the kids is that he's just some wacky fun guy who doesn't take things seriously, then the kids start dropping and he only halfheartedly feigns concern.... even when immediate death is supposedly a very real possibility along with the things the kids end up getting into as each one falls into some form of trap, even when the grandpa was the one who misguided Charlie away from the path, they both shared in a punishment but managed to narrowly avoid their end.... what was I talking about again?
I think you're just forgetting the possibility that Noodle went to the dark side somehow, like suddenly coming into money when she inherited got to her or something. The Slugworth from the Wilder Slugworth could be her husband, who due to branding took her name instead of the other way around (rare yes but not impossible). This could even contribute to the level of spite between him and Slugworth, because of the level of that betrayal.
I might also point out it's possible the riverboat ride with all the psychedelic imagery could also have been used as psychological torture and potential hypnosis forcing Wonka to be even more susceptible to confronting what lofty was doing to him
and past the about halfway point or so, he did become The Theorizer, with equally crazy theories, lmao "so actually, wonka killed his own mother, and also, oompa loompas control him, and steal the chocolate, and also wonka has a shadow monopoly on all the chocolate in the world, and what if, the character with the exact same name is actually neither the same character nor is that his actual name, he's willy's hired man to keep up pretenses"
Gene Wilder's Wonka is actually Lofty in Wonka's body. That is why Wonka repeats all of Lofty's lines. They swapped using Wonka's "Die Happy Dumplings" (or some thing like that) a candy that is so good it makes your soul leave your body. Then Lofy killed Wonka and took over the factory. As Wonka's body started to age Lofty created the contest so he could find a new younger host body.
Enjoying the movie, that was my golden question too: if Wonka is someone who cant read and got screwed over by contract, why did he do the same to CHILDREN with the fine print? Naturally my go to was (same with Lofty) "eh, soft reboot prequel. Its hard to make up new stuff that doesnt in any way contradict the old stuff" but well done for connecting the two! I genuinely want this story to be the sequel. Wonka sends out 5 golden tickets because he genuinely wants an heir and parralel with the mothers golden ticket, but he needs to test the corrupt to make sure the naive child he hires instead has the moral fortitude to truly stand up to lofty, so when Charlie fails he's genuinely distraught. It keeps up Wonkas genuine desire to find an hair and live the dream, but justifies the erratic need to CRUELLY punish children displaying greed. If he didnt care about Charlies morality he wouldnt berate him he'd just say "yeah you win, im out of here". But Charlie is Wonkas last hope, and the great glass elevator is symoblic of wonka and charlie escaping the factory entirely (in its current form). Wonka says even Charlies family can move in, so somehow hiring Charlie booted Lofty out, because for the first time humans other than the owner are allowed in. Maybe Wonka put in some fine print of his own; if he finds an heir, they get a fresh start, so he prioritized above all making sure beyond a doubt that the heir wouldnt make the same mistakes he did and would give up greed above all. Also what stuck out to me was Lofty ONLY ever helped because of capitalism, he never developed genuine care for wonka.
Irony and facts is what you are looking for. You either die a hero or live enough to become the villain, it's the reason why everything goes to shit: "too much paradise". The more time happens without conflict, the more we ask for it, it is not only in fiction, but also proven in history. Christianity, for example, started with a bunch of hippie jewishes that slowed the capitalism overcome by hundreds of years, but after they survived the paid prosecution by the jewish themselves, crusaders, inquisitors, cristeros, etc appeared. Even the Reich turned this "hippie non violent movement" into a godless one of the darkest times in the 20th centuries. You know, Wonka movie reminded me of another one: "The illiterate" starring Mario Moreno aka Cantinflas. He is even aware of this fact, and there is a moment where he doubts about learning how to write and read because of what his coworkers did to him, that he could become "he who fights monsters. The moment he teamed up with the nefarious Lofty instead of the kind hearted girl was what settled up his fall to demise and become he who he swore to destroy.
You do realize that companies aren't going to aid you in how to take them down, what movies always illustrate is how so easily fooled people are and at the same time we are dominated, we are hopelessly dependent upon their weapons created to destroy us and completely ineffective in harming them.
Which is funny given the fact the second book exist and that second book hasn't been adapted into a film, and Roahl's third book never got finished due to his untimely death in 1990, the same year Jim Henson died three months before Roahl Dahl's death occurred.
Or maybe Noodle decides to take over Slugworth''s chocolate factory and they begin to compete against each other to come up with new and more fantastic candies just for fun at first but the competition becomes more and more crazy and Noodle starts to cut corners and steal recipes until they turn against each other leading to Wonka losing his only real friend to greed. We already know Noodle grew up incredibly poor and money can do bad things to people. Also she was willing to steal the milk while he was not which makes it more likely that she would be capable of becoming the villain in part 2.
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@@KingOfHarlots86depends on why you’re putting them into the chocolate it could be a secret ingredient he found with children and their belief in magic in which goes into the chocolate more so with their souls rather their actual bodies once he’s done with the bodies he could of found a way to just turn them into Oompa Loompas or discarding of the bodies some other way maybe crush the bodies up using the it for the chocolate fountains 🤷🏾♀️🤣 just a thought 💭
Funny how you mention that....Even Five Nights At Freddy's explores that in thier own universe, using children's souls to bring animatronics to life (akin to creating Frankenstein in the mid to late 1800s...the book I mean, similar to the late 1920s movie).
As a Wonka obsessed youth, I was very excited to read the Great Glass Elevator story. But as soon as I saw the drawing of the Vermicious Knid, It terrified my 9 year old ass
okay... I will pay so much to see the Wonka sequel with THIS plot. It would explain everything and possibly add a side story where Wonka picks Charlie as the one hope to free the Wonka factory from the clutches of the loompas.... Lofty specifically.
Maybe having Lofty could work… Wonka discovers Lofty like this movie, and after they spend time interacting with each other, he goes back on a second trip and discovers the entire tribe?
I clicked on this video randomly in my recommended, thought it was fun so I opened the channel and see you made 2Kawaii4Comfort?? I loved that series a lot years ago so I rewatched the whole thing, still so good. Great work!
It also makes sense for the way that Wonka describes Loompa Land as inhospitable and dangerous to the golden ticket winners in the original movie. What better way to prevent anyone ( Especially a rival Chocolatier) from ever exploring to seek out Loompa Land in order to gain access to it's superior cocoa beans. It's a well thought out story that works on multiple levels, including painting Wonka as generous and benevolent for ''saving'' the Oompa Loompa's by moving them into living in the Wonka factory. Honestly, Rhino Stew's theory works in so many ways!
Willy Wonka always gave me strong 'absent father/divorced dad' vibes, but this works too (and arguably better). It also explains the fractured nature of this office where everything is halved: it's a reflection of his fractured mind caused first by the death of this mother, and then splintered by Lofty's actions. Great theory, looking forward to more.
You know who also lost their mother as well.....Walt Eisner Disney, which he included it in the 1941 film Bambi, where Bambi lost his mother due to men hunting deer...And you get the idea, but that's how Walt Eisner Disney in that film had the animators insert it as a way to memorialize and remember his mother that passed away while Walt Disney's company was succeeding for his animated shorts and his first feature length movie "Snow White & The Seven Dwarfs"....What I think is coincidental is how Walt Disney's company was one of the inspirations Roahl Dahl inserted into his book, due to one part of the imagination from Walt Disney company, combine that with some of the designers that made the 1971 film were, surprisingly, Walt Disney Employees or leaders of the art direction and designing, similar to what they did with Walt Disney's Disneyland park as well as The Walt Disney World Florida theme parks.....Funny how Disney's company ends up being the inspiration for many beloved IPs later down the road, along with The Wizard of Oz as well.
So you're saying the reason of all this is literally the same back story as chopper in one piece... Chopper a Aspiring doctor in training kill his foster father while treating him for an illness and used the wrong mushrooms and poisoned him instead. The foster father didn't have the heart to tell chopper and left chopper in the hands of a "witch" so he could die. He made the "witch" promise to never tell chopper. Kinda sus lol
So weirdly enough, I had been meaning to get back into One Piece. I stopped reading Shonen in Highschool, where I finished Alabasta and had been informed by my nephew who is a O.P superfan that it was a perfectly respectable place to stop given the time. This comment made me revisit the Drum Island arc and I realized I unintentionally referenced it in My series "2 Kawaii 4 Comfort" when a character says "I watched the entire 3rd season of One Piece in a screening room). I never watched the anime of O.P and the line was arbirtary but the third season was the Drum Island arc and indeed could have been watched in one sitting at a convention! I am also quite sentimental to the arc as my Father was a Doctor.
@@RhinoStew Your nephew isn't a superfan if he thinks that stopping anywhere is valid. A superfan is like a junkie who wonders why everyone else isn't addicted to heroin.
God I just love your videos so dearly. Your vids just sooth me in an indescribable way, always awesome to watch in bed late at night until I fall sleep. Just the right amount of serious/intelligent/cerebral but also wacky/hilarious/entertaining as all hell content. I absolutely adore the 2 incredibly long recent wonkapiercer vids. These are always so well made, ESPECIALLY THE VECTOR ESQUE ANIMATIONS!!! So cool
almost exactly five minutes in, and i'm all in for this, real life conspiracies are no fun for anyone, but you wanna talk about fictional implications of every detail of a film i'm in.
this is beyond fanfiction, it makes yo-blade (which ironically the same Beyblade took inspiration in the end) or Tsubasa to look like they had been made by youtubers instead of talented individuals
Dear Rhino Stew- I am loving your work! I was just recently introduced to you via your Snowpiercer / Wonka video and watched part 2 and 3 yesterday. I feel like it re-sparked my own imagination and motivation to maybe start writing fiction again after not doing so for the last fifteen years or so. Appreciate all you do and looking forwars to more!
Some will probably ask: "Where do the rest of the Oompa Loompas come from, if this one has been banished?" Well, Robot Chicken has the answer for you. ... The other theory is that the Oompa Loompas are hybrids (children of Lofty and some human). No wonder why they are bigger.
Honestly it does realy explain why Charlie was forgiven for the whole bubble incident. Yes, he disobeyed. Only because a closer authority figure nudged him into it. Explains why they were looking at children who were so young as well. Easy to brainwash and manipulate.
Why do you feel like the Gene Wilder Wonka was insane? I just felt he was eccentric and a dedicated businessman that was autistically in love with candy , chocolates and the craft of such things.
Gene's Wonka was always the closest to the book for me, where Wonka isn't even human but rather a gnome that went adventuring and became obsessed with chocolate.
14:06 the difference between a thousand dollars a million - the difference between a million and a billion - the difference between public wealth and true power
You know, in the Gene Wilder movie, no one knew what Wonka looked like before his reveal. And this was in a time where news of his golden tickets was on TV internationally, but no pictures of him. This makes the theory of Charlie not knowing what Slugworth looked like plausible. It also makes it more plausible for Wonka to have fake slugworths. By the way, from Wonka's age to my age now I changed from a gullible teenager who thought he could make a living writing poetry to operating two businesses, making more in a month than I used to make in a year, and working on my second doctorate. A guy can change a LOT from youth to a reasonable amount of age, especially if he had a mentor like Lofty.
I have not been this entertained in a long time on RUclips. Thanks this is the best 40 minute that I have spent in the last several years. The video was very well put together. The music and the narration was perfect.
it happens, but after Charlie presses the button and before the snowpiercer event. You know, when you open a closet it's just a closet, you never see the monster that hids there until it jumps towards you. Was it real? just as real as an uranium miner? or was it just your vivid child imagination? making stuff out of the shadows in the night?
The amount of whiplash I got here had the same intensity I experienced with snowpiercer depicted as a bad ending wonka sequel. Holy shit dude, you're onto something here...
Now this is how you get a new sub, coherent theories destroying the disney-sweet every damn movie has to put on to make it appeal to the general public.. i love it. Im here for it. Keep it up, imma go binge all your vids now
Sir, today I discovered your channel, became a subscriber, and had to reach out to express my admiration of your oratory skills. Parts of your video gave me goosebumps! I bet you'd be wonderfully terrifying around a campfire! Wonderful video, I look forward to watching your channel.
I want to point out that Charlie doesn't necessarily recognize Slugworth when they first meet after finding the ticket. Slugworth introduces himself, and Charlie remembers him when he sees him later. It's entirely possible that Charlie has no idea what the real Slugworth looks like, making the whole factory take over and replacement idea extreme overkill.
That only makes sense for Charlie, but he approached all the other kids too. And while they themselves may not know, their parents seemed to be somewhat involved and should have known too. Unless he basically told them he was someone else and only told Charlie that he was Slugworth.
This is a crazy video...but now thinking about it there really isnt any other explanation about how Both movie connect other then your theory...nice work man
he doesn't hate children if you watch in the end of willy wonka and the chocolate factory he is nothing but nice to charlie also those 4 other kids were bratty they did it to themselves they only have themselves to blame not wonka also wonka did try to warn them but it was their fault for not listening
I clicked on this video and I was like “damn I wish rhino stewed talked about the new wonka video, I like his videos,” Then I heard you say “this is dino stew” and I was like LETS GOOOOO HYPE 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
I want a horror movie about oompa loompa taking over the world and smuggle chocolate. All jokes aside this really open my mind never would think they were the bad guys
I bet that, during one of Wonka's experiments, a machine goes wrong (as seen in the original film several times) and that both Wonka and Lofty merge into 1 person.
allow me this one caveat if you will, what if the contest was actually Wonka's way of getting out of the situation, by finding someone who had no strings attached to him by Lofty, and part of his candy making secret training was to warn and prepare him to resist.
Ok, part 3 is REEEEAAALLYY stretching. It’s just more likely that the three cartel members continued to run their corporations. No one said the companies weren’t released from jail, or that they had to serve life sentences.
Per your suggestion, I quit watching at 22:40 because I'm 60 years old and don't need something from 2023 ruining something from 1971. Interesting theories and nice storytelling on your part. ✌️
You actually got my heart racing towards the end sir lol.. I don't know what kind of darkness you pulled this out of your soul from...but I really enjoyed it....with all your content I just got to ask... you had an ok childhood right? LoL jk I know it's all in good fun.... The visual look of the video was super well done and interesting also....Major credit to you and your channel...
Slugworth could have been released from jail by the time Wonka ages. Maybe he cooperated with the police and got a deal. Or maybe he has an heir who takes over.
With Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator being two of my most favorite childhood books, I began to watch this video under much bias and with a premature scoff. About midway through, and much to my surprise, I found myself astonished at its brilliance. Truly genius. Truly.
I've never seen someone apologize for a garbage movie and give it more credit to the writers that couldn't write what the back of there hand looked like in all my life
I personally really enjoyed the Wonka movie. Timmy Wonka’s energy reminded me a lot of Charlie Kelly from Always Sunny in Philadelphia. The illiteracy, the childlike wonder, the entrepreneurial spirit, the inventions, the affinity for strange animal milk. Eg Girraffe vs Tiger door Pirate vs Private Giraffe milk Fight Milk -crow milk Pure Imagination The Nightman cometh -especially the final scene and his Wonka esque outfit Seeing a little Orange man stealing his candy in the night and trapping him in a jar Trapping the ‘leprechaun’ in a glue trap. Who was also stealing I think? Wonka’s unhinged paranoid conspiracy theories and Wilder Wonka’s line deliveries Pepe Silvia office scene -I wouldn’t be surprised if Day took inspiration from Wilder’s performance The scene where everything comes together at the factory with everyone working together to create an illusion of competence Charlie Work. There are others I am forgetting. I think what makes both such interesting and enjoyable to watch characters is the delusional sincerity of it all. They both try so hard. They are motivated by good intentions. To spread joy through their inventions. To make an absent parent proud. To win the approval of the characters that are manipulating and taking advantage of their talents and willingness to help the whole time. There is this childlike wonder paired with subtly threatening comments. They are both crazy, they both hurt people, they put the health and safety of themselves and others at risk. But their goal is to be happy. And share that happiness with others.
Willy could be the reason why Loompaland got into that bad state that he tells about in the original version because he stole their entire yearly crop by picking those 3 pods and the green catapilars that is the daily food of Oompa Loompas could have been in somekind of symbiosis with the cocoatree and it's beans Also what Willy and we see as a place with nothing but desolate wastes and fierce beasts is normal life for the Oompa Loompas but not a place we would want to live How many time has well meaning people looked at another peoples way of life and said: "Your way of life is not as good as our way of life" and destroyed that peoples way of life that they were content with and with the promise that the well meaning peoples way of life is filled with "milk and honey"?
Or maybe Lofty was a double agent for the chocolate cartel and let him spy on Wonka in exchange for the chocolate he owed him. They also used it to bribe Lofty into contaminating Wonka's chocolate and have Scrubbit and Bleacher take the fall meaning they lied to Wonka about them doing it
IN ADVANCE:
I have only now become aware that cherries are in fact Stonefruits and not Berries.
And Zebedee is in fact a Biblical name! It was the original version of Zebedaiah. I had never heard it pronounced that way.
Apologies for the inaccuracy / oversight!
ok
The neat part of that is -- due to being part of the same genus (Prunus) -- you can graft peaches, plums, nectarines, apricots, cherries, and almonds onto the same tree.
@@robertborland5083witchcraft
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Not dyslexia!!!! 😢 a blessed curse for sure.
I'm dyslexic. 💔😭
Great video!
My head cannon is that lofty and wonka go on to make a massive chocolate factory, they get stolen from, they shut down, lofty convinces wonka to go back to loompa land, he hires the oompa loompas, but then lofty dies and it makes wonka into the gene wilder incarnation and it's lofty dieing that makes him realise that he needs an heir
The small flute got me now that you've put this I my head
*canon
and yes, I sure like this more than "they wanted to replace him because of unexplained reasons, with a random kid, after many years"
being physically smaller generally does come with shorter lifespans, at least for mammals like humans, so I wouldn't be surprised if oompa loompas had significantly shorter lifespans, say, somewhere around 40-50 years or something, and lofty is very much adult, by the time willy meets him
This also makes the Chocolate cartel return
@jan_harald what are you talking about? Shorter people live longer on average than taller people
@@msjkrameyI wonder if they are refering to dwarfism, however even then in general it's not true either. Plus mammals are very strange, you've got rats that live 12 months then you've got naked mole rats that live 30 years. Then you've got elephants which live about 50 years and they are huge but then humans can surpass them by almost double that.
You have whales where they bigger they are the long they generally live and then you have dogs where the smaller you are the longer you live.
I personally haven't seen enough evidence or convincing studies to actually prove shorter people live longer but there are no studies suggesting that taller people live longer. I just assume if there is a difference then it's very minor.
Where was the unknown, everyones favourite Wonka character who lives in the walls
They are being saved for Wonka 2, where we find out Willy Wonka was driven to become the broken man he was in the gene wilder film as a result of the machinations of the mysterious, masked Chocolateier known as "the unknown" and the eventual revelation that behind that metal mask was none other than his former old friend turned bitter enemy once his business destroyed the wealth she could have inherited, Noodle Slugworth. Seriously, Noodle out for revenge against Willy for destroying her inheritance as the Unknown just fits, for some reason.
@@josephcittadino6541 There is a Willy Wonka 2 called Willy Wonka and the Glass Elevator
i think you mean Charlie not Wonka
@@josephcittadino6541 the glass elevator leaves Wonka's factory through the roof and that's how the unknown got in (or out) of the walls.
@@josephcittadino6541 Wonka 2: Into the Unkown
I would have just guessed that Wonka accidentally invented some form of Mind-Swapper Chocolate, and lofty used it to steal his body, which would explain why future Wonka acts like Lofty.
That would make sense.
That makes sense on how the story of meeting the oompa loompa changes since they never even saw him in the new movie
I think the Wonka we see in Willy Wonka and the chocolate factory was an apprentice taken in by (Timothee's) Wonka in between the events of both films and if he had invented a chocolate like that, Lofty would use it with said apprentice to allow him to live longer and it drove him mad which is why (Gene Wilder's) Wonka in the 1971 film is a little crazy and is unfazed by the kids dying and has anger issues as shown in the " You get nothing" segment
Or wonka just spent so much time with lofty he became like him
Is explained in details in a oryginal book
In the movie wonka explains he didnt learn to read and always just trusted in the kindness of people.
In the movie you see that he begins to realise that not everyone is kind and caring like him....The cartel stopping him, the public destroying his shop, the corruption of the chief, scrubbit, bleacher etc.
I think over time wonka kept putting his trust in peoples kindness and people kept taking advantage of him untill he eventually snaps and shuts down the factory. After a while wonka (wilder) realises he needs someone to take over and as he doesnt trust people anymore he puts out the gold tickets and then puts the kids through numerous brutal trials to see if there is anyone left in the world who is kind and caring enough, like wonka himself used to be, to take over his legacy and hopefully put the love back into the chocolate.
The candyman can cos he mixes it with love and makes the world taste good.
that's something we could see in a wonka sequel
Wonka being a fool acting the part of a genius explains why he acts like Charlie from It's Always Sunny, when a couple of guys "give him pills that increase his intelligence but make him frail"
"give him pills that increase his intelligence but make him frail"?
“Okay…but you can’t really read it from the inside…”
This makes the snowpiercer parelel so much more valid
Right? I think the team behind the release knew that - but they can’t contact him because natural and free promotion is far better than paying someone who lacks passion.
How else do you get people excited about a prequel without a lil dash of social engineering?
A great trilogy. This should be declared canon
Lol 😂
Genuinely curious, the fuck does Willie wonka have to do with snow piercer.
@@Son.D.Lollipop I highly recommend watching the vid! 🤣😂
Honestly rather interesting. I’ve seen like dozens of theories saying Wonka enslaved the Oompa Loompas, but this is the first time I’ve seen a theory that the Oompa Loompas basically enslaved Wonka
Fun fact, Gene Wilder said that in the original the whole point of him walking out with a cane and then dropping it into a somersault was to signify that he cannot be trusted
not know when he's telling the truth or not, that's pretty much where the game begins.
Because the idea to the kids is that he's just some wacky fun guy who doesn't take things seriously, then the kids start dropping and he only halfheartedly feigns concern.... even when immediate death is supposedly a very real possibility along with the things the kids end up getting into as each one falls into some form of trap, even when the grandpa was the one who misguided Charlie away from the path, they both shared in a punishment but managed to narrowly avoid their end.... what was I talking about again?
Now I'll think of Patrick Bateman every time I think of an Oompa loompa
Well he does get a musical later just like Oompa Loompas (seriously Matt Smith plays him in the soundtrack)
I think you're just forgetting the possibility that Noodle went to the dark side somehow, like suddenly coming into money when she inherited got to her or something. The Slugworth from the Wilder Slugworth could be her husband, who due to branding took her name instead of the other way around (rare yes but not impossible). This could even contribute to the level of spite between him and Slugworth, because of the level of that betrayal.
I like that more. Reason he goes crazy and paranoid towards humans.
I might also point out it's possible the riverboat ride with all the psychedelic imagery could also have been used as psychological torture and potential hypnosis forcing Wonka to be even more susceptible to confronting what lofty was doing to him
FINALLY, SOMEONE POINTS OUT THAT MRS. SALT SAID SHE WAS A GEOGRAPHY TECHER IN THE BOOK. THANK YOU, RHINO STEW
I know, right?! People have NEVER talked about Mrs. Salt being a Geography Teacher…
Interesting to hear and think about.
For a second I thought this was The Theorizer from the notification thumbnail.
and past the about halfway point or so, he did become The Theorizer, with equally crazy theories, lmao
"so actually, wonka killed his own mother, and also, oompa loompas control him, and steal the chocolate, and also wonka has a shadow monopoly on all the chocolate in the world, and what if, the character with the exact same name is actually neither the same character nor is that his actual name, he's willy's hired man to keep up pretenses"
same i didn''t realize this wasn't the theorizer until probably ten minutes in
That’s what I was thinking. This whole video is so Theorizer-esc. Must’ve been an inspiration.
Lol he does give me that vibe 😂
Same
Gene Wilder's Wonka is actually Lofty in Wonka's body. That is why Wonka repeats all of Lofty's lines. They swapped using Wonka's "Die Happy Dumplings" (or some thing like that) a candy that is so good it makes your soul leave your body. Then Lofy killed Wonka and took over the factory. As Wonka's body started to age Lofty created the contest so he could find a new younger host body.
yeah I don't believe that this video is just a theory anyway
That’s smart
Enjoying the movie, that was my golden question too: if Wonka is someone who cant read and got screwed over by contract, why did he do the same to CHILDREN with the fine print?
Naturally my go to was (same with Lofty) "eh, soft reboot prequel. Its hard to make up new stuff that doesnt in any way contradict the old stuff" but well done for connecting the two!
I genuinely want this story to be the sequel. Wonka sends out 5 golden tickets because he genuinely wants an heir and parralel with the mothers golden ticket, but he needs to test the corrupt to make sure the naive child he hires instead has the moral fortitude to truly stand up to lofty, so when Charlie fails he's genuinely distraught. It keeps up Wonkas genuine desire to find an hair and live the dream, but justifies the erratic need to CRUELLY punish children displaying greed. If he didnt care about Charlies morality he wouldnt berate him he'd just say "yeah you win, im out of here". But Charlie is Wonkas last hope, and the great glass elevator is symoblic of wonka and charlie escaping the factory entirely (in its current form). Wonka says even Charlies family can move in, so somehow hiring Charlie booted Lofty out, because for the first time humans other than the owner are allowed in. Maybe Wonka put in some fine print of his own; if he finds an heir, they get a fresh start, so he prioritized above all making sure beyond a doubt that the heir wouldnt make the same mistakes he did and would give up greed above all.
Also what stuck out to me was Lofty ONLY ever helped because of capitalism, he never developed genuine care for wonka.
Irony and facts is what you are looking for.
You either die a hero or live enough to become the villain, it's the reason why everything goes to shit: "too much paradise". The more time happens without conflict, the more we ask for it, it is not only in fiction, but also proven in history. Christianity, for example, started with a bunch of hippie jewishes that slowed the capitalism overcome by hundreds of years, but after they survived the paid prosecution by the jewish themselves, crusaders, inquisitors, cristeros, etc appeared. Even the Reich turned this "hippie non violent movement" into a godless one of the darkest times in the 20th centuries.
You know, Wonka movie reminded me of another one: "The illiterate" starring Mario Moreno aka Cantinflas. He is even aware of this fact, and there is a moment where he doubts about learning how to write and read because of what his coworkers did to him, that he could become "he who fights monsters. The moment he teamed up with the nefarious Lofty instead of the kind hearted girl was what settled up his fall to demise and become he who he swore to destroy.
You do realize that companies aren't going to aid you in how to take them down, what movies always illustrate is how so easily fooled people are and at the same time we are dominated, we are hopelessly dependent upon their weapons created to destroy us and completely ineffective in harming them.
he was still a good person in the original film
Which is funny given the fact the second book exist and that second book hasn't been adapted into a film, and Roahl's third book never got finished due to his untimely death in 1990, the same year Jim Henson died three months before Roahl Dahl's death occurred.
Or maybe Noodle decides to take over Slugworth''s chocolate factory and they begin to compete against each other to come up with new and more fantastic candies just for fun at first but the competition becomes more and more crazy and Noodle starts to cut corners and steal recipes until they turn against each other leading to Wonka losing his only real friend to greed. We already know Noodle grew up incredibly poor and money can do bad things to people. Also she was willing to steal the milk while he was not which makes it more likely that she would be capable of becoming the villain in part 2.
I don't want her becoming a villain in the sequel it will ruin the first wonka movie from 2023
wonka can still get a sequel though
I love the tunnel sequence!! Your lofty impression is amazing ❤
Uh, I think someone else did both Lofty and Wonka. Still, props to them though!
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Oh god
Thank you for reminding me that this exists and I need to go watch it
This theory is pretty tame compared to the one about children being a key ingredient in the chocolate.
😮 wait thats not how you make chocolate?!!...😬 Oops
@@KingOfHarlots86depends on why you’re putting them into the chocolate it could be a secret ingredient he found with children and their belief in magic in which goes into the chocolate more so with their souls rather their actual bodies once he’s done with the bodies he could of found a way to just turn them into Oompa Loompas or discarding of the bodies some other way maybe crush the bodies up using the it for the chocolate fountains 🤷🏾♀️🤣 just a thought 💭
Funny how you mention that....Even Five Nights At Freddy's explores that in thier own universe, using children's souls to bring animatronics to life (akin to creating Frankenstein in the mid to late 1800s...the book I mean, similar to the late 1920s movie).
As a Wonka obsessed youth, I was very excited to read the Great Glass Elevator story. But as soon as I saw the drawing of the Vermicious Knid, It terrified my 9 year old ass
I have no idea how the audiobooks of this book are avaible on audiobook 😂
okay... I will pay so much to see the Wonka sequel with THIS plot. It would explain everything and possibly add a side story where Wonka picks Charlie as the one hope to free the Wonka factory from the clutches of the loompas.... Lofty specifically.
Maybe having Lofty could work… Wonka discovers Lofty like this movie, and after they spend time interacting with each other, he goes back on a second trip and discovers the entire tribe?
I love how you added half of Loftys face to the halved man statue in Wilders Wonka office. 😊
I wasn't going to watch Wonka, but, now you've made a video on it, guess I'll have to
Same
I'm surprised you have so few theory videos. Your presentation is clean, your reasoning makes sense, and you have a good voice /intonations for this
I walked out 15 minutes into Wonka because everyone ate bugs.
like that train movie
@@hergzcooloh no , hear we go
I walked out halfway through Charlie and the Chocolate Factory because I never saw the train.
Bugs that fly out your ass no less!
Lol. Just lol
I clicked on this video randomly in my recommended, thought it was fun so I opened the channel and see you made 2Kawaii4Comfort?? I loved that series a lot years ago so I rewatched the whole thing, still so good. Great work!
Thank you so much! I've had more "success" on RUclips with theory related content but I'm always happy to see there is a trickle back to 2Kawaii!
It also makes sense for the way that Wonka describes Loompa Land as inhospitable and dangerous to the golden ticket winners in the original movie.
What better way to prevent anyone ( Especially a rival Chocolatier) from ever exploring to seek out Loompa Land in order to gain access to it's superior cocoa beans.
It's a well thought out story that works on multiple levels, including painting Wonka as generous and benevolent for ''saving'' the Oompa Loompa's by moving them into living in the Wonka factory.
Honestly, Rhino Stew's theory works in so many ways!
Willy Wonka always gave me strong 'absent father/divorced dad' vibes, but this works too (and arguably better). It also explains the fractured nature of this office where everything is halved: it's a reflection of his fractured mind caused first by the death of this mother, and then splintered by Lofty's actions.
Great theory, looking forward to more.
Why
I kinda can connect the dots too, where after Wonka lost his mother, he was put in place to be raised by his father
I kinda can connect the dots too, where after Wonka lost his mother, he was put in place to be raised by his father
You know who also lost their mother as well.....Walt Eisner Disney, which he included it in the 1941 film Bambi, where Bambi lost his mother due to men hunting deer...And you get the idea, but that's how Walt Eisner Disney in that film had the animators insert it as a way to memorialize and remember his mother that passed away while Walt Disney's company was succeeding for his animated shorts and his first feature length movie "Snow White & The Seven Dwarfs"....What I think is coincidental is how Walt Disney's company was one of the inspirations Roahl Dahl inserted into his book, due to one part of the imagination from Walt Disney company, combine that with some of the designers that made the 1971 film were, surprisingly, Walt Disney Employees or leaders of the art direction and designing, similar to what they did with Walt Disney's Disneyland park as well as The Walt Disney World Florida theme parks.....Funny how Disney's company ends up being the inspiration for many beloved IPs later down the road, along with The Wizard of Oz as well.
0:09 Wait it was? I didn’t even know it was released. Had it not been 18 seconds ago I would’ve said that movie hadn’t come out yet. 😂
well, the rest of winter releases were even worse
Never even heard of this movie until this video too
Oh my God, this video is a masterpiece. I can’t believe it’s under 1000 likes!!!!! Amazing job with the voice acting
So you're saying the reason of all this is literally the same back story as chopper in one piece...
Chopper a Aspiring doctor in training kill his foster father while treating him for an illness and used the wrong mushrooms and poisoned him instead. The foster father didn't have the heart to tell chopper and left chopper in the hands of a "witch" so he could die.
He made the "witch" promise to never tell chopper.
Kinda sus lol
Oh yeaaaah!
both wear giant goofy top hats as well
So weirdly enough, I had been meaning to get back into One Piece. I stopped reading Shonen in Highschool, where I finished Alabasta and had been informed by my nephew who is a O.P superfan that it was a perfectly respectable place to stop given the time. This comment made me revisit the Drum Island arc and I realized I unintentionally referenced it in My series "2 Kawaii 4 Comfort" when a character says "I watched the entire 3rd season of One Piece in a screening room). I never watched the anime of O.P and the line was arbirtary but the third season was the Drum Island arc and indeed could have been watched in one sitting at a convention!
I am also quite sentimental to the arc as my Father was a Doctor.
I thought the exact same thing
@@RhinoStew Your nephew isn't a superfan if he thinks that stopping anywhere is valid. A superfan is like a junkie who wonders why everyone else isn't addicted to heroin.
God I just love your videos so dearly. Your vids just sooth me in an indescribable way, always awesome to watch in bed late at night until I fall sleep. Just the right amount of serious/intelligent/cerebral but also wacky/hilarious/entertaining as all hell content. I absolutely adore the 2 incredibly long recent wonkapiercer vids. These are always so well made, ESPECIALLY THE VECTOR ESQUE ANIMATIONS!!! So cool
almost exactly five minutes in, and i'm all in for this, real life conspiracies are no fun for anyone, but you wanna talk about fictional implications of every detail of a film i'm in.
I enjoy your Wonka FanFiction alot . Hopefully someone makes an animatic of the boat scene
this is beyond fanfiction, it makes yo-blade (which ironically the same Beyblade took inspiration in the end) or Tsubasa to look like they had been made by youtubers instead of talented individuals
It’s weird how we’ve had two adaptations and now a prequel, but nobody has adapted Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator to screen yet.
actually there was another recent wonka film before this it was the awful tom and jerry crossover film
Rhino: Are you prepared?
Me: I'm a doomer, I always have been prepared for the worse.
I am glad to have witnessed Wonka history so soon.... Seriously, I just finished this and hate how much sense it makes 😭😭 Keep up the great work!!
Ok
Dear Rhino Stew- I am loving your work! I was just recently introduced to you via your Snowpiercer / Wonka video and watched part 2 and 3 yesterday. I feel like it re-sparked my own imagination and motivation to maybe start writing fiction again after not doing so for the last fifteen years or so.
Appreciate all you do and looking forwars to more!
Some will probably ask: "Where do the rest of the Oompa Loompas come from, if this one has been banished?"
Well, Robot Chicken has the answer for you.
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The other theory is that the Oompa Loompas are hybrids (children of Lofty and some human).
No wonder why they are bigger.
Honestly it does realy explain why Charlie was forgiven for the whole bubble incident. Yes, he disobeyed. Only because a closer authority figure nudged him into it. Explains why they were looking at children who were so young as well. Easy to brainwash and manipulate.
Why do you feel like the Gene Wilder Wonka was insane? I just felt he was eccentric and a dedicated businessman that was autistically in love with candy , chocolates and the craft of such things.
Gene's Wonka was always the closest to the book for me, where Wonka isn't even human but rather a gnome that went adventuring and became obsessed with chocolate.
i love how you can tell he's smiling as he lays down the heavy points.
14:06 the difference between a thousand dollars a million - the difference between a million and a billion - the difference between public wealth and true power
You know, in the Gene Wilder movie, no one knew what Wonka looked like before his reveal. And this was in a time where news of his golden tickets was on TV internationally, but no pictures of him. This makes the theory of Charlie not knowing what Slugworth looked like plausible. It also makes it more plausible for Wonka to have fake slugworths. By the way, from Wonka's age to my age now I changed from a gullible teenager who thought he could make a living writing poetry to operating two businesses, making more in a month than I used to make in a year, and working on my second doctorate. A guy can change a LOT from youth to a reasonable amount of age, especially if he had a mentor like Lofty.
Starting to sense a theme
I have not been this entertained in a long time on RUclips. Thanks this is the best 40 minute that I have spent in the last several years. The video was very well put together. The music and the narration was perfect.
My head canon is that lump land becam desolate between films. That said love the idea of an Evel Ompalumpa.
it happens, but after Charlie presses the button and before the snowpiercer event. You know, when you open a closet it's just a closet, you never see the monster that hids there until it jumps towards you. Was it real? just as real as an uranium miner? or was it just your vivid child imagination? making stuff out of the shadows in the night?
33:10 Love how this throws shade to Prodnose's signature catchphrase
The Cartel leaders being out of prison actually makes sense if you remember that rich people get out of prison all the time in the real world too.
33:22 That is the creepiest version of the oompa loompa song.
Danggggg my guy.. this is a great horror movie. This needs to be a movie.
The amount of whiplash I got here had the same intensity I experienced with snowpiercer depicted as a bad ending wonka sequel.
Holy shit dude, you're onto something here...
Now this is how you get a new sub, coherent theories destroying the disney-sweet every damn movie has to put on to make it appeal to the general public.. i love it. Im here for it. Keep it up, imma go binge all your vids now
Maybe its my wishful thinking, but couldn't his exposure to the lumpa song make him crazy. I'd certainly go mad.
Amazing video
Please never stop
You will be the next game theory if not bigger
That ryme at the end of part 4 is such a banger, it needs its own song fr 🔥🔥🔥
Sir, today I discovered your channel, became a subscriber, and had to reach out to express my admiration of your oratory skills. Parts of your video gave me goosebumps! I bet you'd be wonderfully terrifying around a campfire! Wonderful video, I look forward to watching your channel.
This is such a good theory and the acting is magnificent! :)
I want to point out that Charlie doesn't necessarily recognize Slugworth when they first meet after finding the ticket. Slugworth introduces himself, and Charlie remembers him when he sees him later. It's entirely possible that Charlie has no idea what the real Slugworth looks like, making the whole factory take over and replacement idea extreme overkill.
That only makes sense for Charlie, but he approached all the other kids too. And while they themselves may not know, their parents seemed to be somewhat involved and should have known too. Unless he basically told them he was someone else and only told Charlie that he was Slugworth.
Good stuff as usual. You fill the gaps in such an interesting way.
Wait! Wonka couldn’t read until Noodle tutored him! There’s no way he could have misread boysenberry as poisonberry!
Man, this is almost feeling like a slower paced Theorizer video… a cute and innocent movie analyzed to have dark sinister secrets.
Quite possibly one of the best theory videos I have ever seen
THE LEGEND RETURNS!
Lofty handles the business and Wonka handles the factory
This is a crazy video...but now thinking about it there really isnt any other explanation about how Both movie connect other then your theory...nice work man
I love/hate how this theories are usually better than what we end up with most of the time.
Brilliant! I always wanted Wonka to be a dark movie because it's clear it was always supposed to be.
he doesn't hate children if you watch in the end of willy wonka and the chocolate factory he is nothing but nice to charlie also those 4 other kids were bratty they did it to themselves they only have themselves to blame not wonka also wonka did try to warn them but it was their fault for not listening
I clicked on this video and I was like “damn I wish rhino stewed talked about the new wonka video, I like his videos,” Then I heard you say “this is dino stew” and I was like LETS GOOOOO HYPE 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
Nice a video about the pre-prequel (that I will never watch) to that train movie (that I've never watched).
Mate, ive recently come across your videos and you actually kill me 😂
love it! X
I want a horror movie about oompa loompa taking over the world and smuggle chocolate. All jokes aside this really open my mind never would think they were the bad guys
This was great, i loved this video, especially the tunnel part
Put that flute intro into a sonograph
Oh my god!!! I was immerse in the story you put !!! I want even more of the story!!!
"Why is lofty lying about Oompaland?" Because this is a reboot even if they don't want tot admit it.
*Wonka, why is Wonka "lying" about Loompaland & yeah you're right, I want this theory to be true... but it most likely isn't
Your wrong your wrong your wrong your wrong your wrong ITS NOT A REBOOT YOU DISSGUSSITNG FRAUD EVERYTHING YOU KNOW AND LOVE IS A LIE
I bet that, during one of Wonka's experiments, a machine goes wrong (as seen in the original film several times) and that both Wonka and Lofty merge into 1 person.
This was super well done!
That's some nice theory you got there, Luke. Keep it up.
allow me this one caveat if you will, what if the contest was actually Wonka's way of getting out of the situation, by finding someone who had no strings attached to him by Lofty, and part of his candy making secret training was to warn and prepare him to resist.
Ok, part 3 is REEEEAAALLYY stretching. It’s just more likely that the three cartel members continued to run their corporations. No one said the companies weren’t released from jail, or that they had to serve life sentences.
30:18 - subtitles are currently not available.
Will update momentarily
@@RhinoStew epic.
There’s a moment in winks where he goes to loop a land as a kid
God, you outdid yourself with the scenario.
Per your suggestion, I quit watching at 22:40 because I'm 60 years old and don't need something from 2023 ruining something from 1971. Interesting theories and nice storytelling on your part. ✌️
You actually got my heart racing towards the end sir lol.. I don't know what kind of darkness you pulled this out of your soul from...but I really enjoyed it....with all your content I just got to ask... you had an ok childhood right? LoL jk I know it's all in good fun....
The visual look of the video was super well done and interesting also....Major credit to you and your channel...
I loved the Clue reference!
Wasn't expecting that twist going in, thought you were gonna say Gene Wilder's Wonka was actually Lofty all along. XD
I doubt it actually is though
Slugworth could have been released from jail by the time Wonka ages. Maybe he cooperated with the police and got a deal. Or maybe he has an heir who takes over.
22:29 prediction for reveal, mind transfer and wilder wonky has lofty's mind, which is the real reason the lumpas work for him
I thought mind swap also but now I'm thinking that loompas punish children and Wonka was the first to be punished
Not mind swap but still oompas in control
With Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator being two of my most favorite childhood books, I began to watch this video under much bias and with a premature scoff.
About midway through, and much to my surprise, I found myself astonished at its brilliance. Truly genius. Truly.
I've never seen someone apologize for a garbage movie and give it more credit to the writers that couldn't write what the back of there hand looked like in all my life
I enjoyed this very much! Now, to watch our episode about "Snowpiercer"!
I personally really enjoyed the Wonka movie. Timmy Wonka’s energy reminded me a lot of Charlie Kelly from Always Sunny in Philadelphia. The illiteracy, the childlike wonder, the entrepreneurial spirit, the inventions, the affinity for strange animal milk.
Eg
Girraffe vs Tiger door
Pirate vs Private
Giraffe milk
Fight Milk -crow milk
Pure Imagination
The Nightman cometh -especially the final scene and his Wonka esque outfit
Seeing a little Orange man stealing his candy in the night and trapping him in a jar
Trapping the ‘leprechaun’ in a glue trap. Who was also stealing I think?
Wonka’s unhinged paranoid conspiracy theories and Wilder Wonka’s line deliveries
Pepe Silvia office scene -I wouldn’t be surprised if Day took inspiration from Wilder’s performance
The scene where everything comes together at the factory with everyone working together to create an illusion of competence
Charlie Work.
There are others I am forgetting.
I think what makes both such interesting and enjoyable to watch characters is the delusional sincerity of it all. They both try so hard. They are motivated by good intentions. To spread joy through their inventions. To make an absent parent proud. To win the approval of the characters that are manipulating and taking advantage of their talents and willingness to help the whole time. There is this childlike wonder paired with subtly threatening comments. They are both crazy, they both hurt people, they put the health and safety of themselves and others at risk. But their goal is to be happy. And share that happiness with others.
It is amazing that he is mr willson learned from both of them and become the captain of snowpeacer in the future
Willy could be the reason why Loompaland got into that bad state that he tells about in the original version because he stole their entire yearly crop by picking those 3 pods and the green catapilars that is the daily food of Oompa Loompas could have been in somekind of symbiosis with the cocoatree and it's beans
Also what Willy and we see as a place with nothing but desolate wastes and fierce beasts is normal life for the Oompa Loompas but not a place we would want to live
How many time has well meaning people looked at another peoples way of life and said: "Your way of life is not as good as our way of life" and destroyed that peoples way of life that they were content with and with the promise that the well meaning peoples way of life is filled with "milk and honey"?
Or maybe Lofty was a double agent for the chocolate cartel and let him spy on Wonka in exchange for the chocolate he owed him. They also used it to bribe Lofty into contaminating Wonka's chocolate and have Scrubbit and Bleacher take the fall meaning they lied to Wonka about them doing it
I literally just watched this movie today somehow perfect timing on this theory
This is amazing, peak internet. You should definitely seek psychological evaluation, but this is still art.