bell was a check mark not a character, this is why twist villains started to go down in quality. the twist villains were starting to be use as a gimmick and not as a characters they were.
Yeah, they kept downplaying her so she was present, but not present enough to the point where she'd be on the radar. Of course, that's just how some twist villains are.
I saw her change from cheering for Judy to trying to kill her as a way to make Judy a martyr for her agenda and that’s why she wanted Judy to be the face of the ZPD. She was always driven by power and if she assisted Judy with solving the missing carnivore cases, made her the face of the ZPD, and then publicized her death at the hands of a carnivore she trusted; Bellwether would have a name and face that she could use to justify and strengthen her agenda, and the perfect scapegoat in Nick.
So I think Bellwether was willing to let Judy die because Judy dying, at the hand of a predator everyone had seen her with, it would show not even the hardest working of "little guys" were safe.
If she still felt Judy was a threat, she could have secretly sent assassins after her anytime to cover her tracks. But then we wouldn't have a movie I suppose. But still...
@@Disneyfan82 The point wasn't just to get rid of Judy, it was to spread fear when the famous bunny cop is killed off my a deranged predator, right at the same time there was tension between the two groups.
Bellweather being conflicted or at least expressing remorse for sending Judy to her death would have given her some depth : it would have show that she did appreciate Judy but was willing to get rid of any obstacle on her way.
They do drop a blink-and-you-miss-it hint during Judy's first day, when she meets Nick. The ram that shouts at Nick for crossing the street in front of him, the entire reason Judy notices Nick, is Bellwether's henchman, Doug. You see him again later in the lab scene, as the one refining the nighthowler serum. Fun fact: the three rams are a reference to Breaking Bad, with the names Doug, Jesse, and Woolter, with the nighthowler lab being a reference to the chem lab in the show.
This is one of the few times when I think a twist villain was warranted since this was a mystery film. But I'd have loved to see more of Bellweather's past to explain her motivation beyond underappreciation. Rare time when the heroes are more interesting than the villain.
Yeah, I get that Even Scooby Doo at least has their villains around more Unless in the few cases where it’s actually multiple villains who more often than not have similar ideas. Or it just straight up turns out that oh yeah, the legend and magic is true.
@Flame-rp6yq My own headcanon is something like this: Bellweather had a traumatic experience(s) like Judy, and vows to change Zootopia, but she has a twinge of bitterness and vengence to it. Given the fact that the actual MAYOR is a lion and predators actively try to erase prejudice about them, maybe a lot of predator crime is underreported by the police or the news, and Bellweather's abuse by predators is overlooked as a result. Enraged by what she sees as predators bullying their way into power, she develops the belief that "fear always works" and that all she needs to do is find a situation where suspicion against predators is validated and forever damages Zootopia's views on them. Maybe she'd even turn on larger prey, feeling as though they were never threatened or abused by predators due to their size/build.
Yeah, if anyone deserves their own origin story and tragic villain mark, it's Bellwether. Not Maleficent, Jafar, Cruella, or even Scar. But Bellwether, to me is like the Baby Doll of Zootopia, broken and shattered by society that is unkind and cruel to the "little guys" and more.
Agreed. I really hope we look into Bellwether’s backstory in the sequel because we really need to know what made her do what she did because leaving her out just like that would be a terrible waste to her beautiful appearance. Not to mention there are so many unanswered questions about the night howler scandal which would take more than one single mastermind to handle it all out.
@@zuhamalik1662If you don't like someone purely based off their skin color and nothing else that's racist. It don't matter what your own skin looks like.
I saw Bellwether as the villain a mile away - when she logged Judy into the computer system, I thought, "She's being a little too helpful. She's up to something."
Zootopia was the one movie where having a more symbolic villain would’ve worked. You can’t just take a minor character and give her an evil laugh and say “SEE! She was behind everything!!! Bet you didn’t see that one coming!!!”. Prejudice isn’t something you can just give a face and defeat in one fell swoop. It’s a disease that always finds a way to survive no matter how much he attempt to stop it.
Honestly I think a cooler concept is that she was literally a wolf in sheep's clothes. Basically she would be a wolf that was small for her species and could have been alpha but was too small to lead her clan. So to get power she would weasel her way into it by getting rid of larger predators to have less competition.
Thinking about it, there wasn’t an explicitly stated reason. Sure you can read between the lines but if she had a motive then without a doubt I believe the villainy would have been better
Her problem was that predators…existed? And she didn't want them to? I guess there were some indications that prey were a minority in positions of power, but there didn't seem to be explicit discrimination or anything like that.
see, the sign of a good twist villain is that they play 2 sides until the reveal. assistant mayor was clearly a character of hers, and you missed the entire point of her being the villain
There was ONE other hint towards Bellweather... All the ones responsible for making the night howler pellets were sheep (its not a very good hint, nobody noticed it myself included... But still).
Gonna give my point that they kinda gave away she had something to do with it when we clearly saw her in a position of power immediately as the mayor was delt with
if someone spent 5 minutes fleshing out her character in a beginning scene it would of worked. you need to show the audience how her hatred of predators was taught. you can see that judy’s parents have a fear of predators but show that bellwethers parents hated them and taught her that predators are worthless and that they need to hold the power and then maybe you can do the scene in the beginning with the fox and the sheep and have one of the sheep be bellwether and afterwords she says “ i hate predators” and judy tells her it’s not predators it’s just him he’s a jerk then walk off together but as they walk in she looks back with conviction and you can see her during the play( i think it was a play) in the crowd not cheering subtle hints like that just spend 5 minutes showing how her hatred was taught would’ve made her so compelling if they wanted to do a villain who just wanted power the mouse was the best option
Man Don't confuse Lamb with sheep its a same animal. Lambs Are baby sheep. As a person who onw's farm this is a bit misleading. Please correct that. 3:30
I personally thought that her as a villain was to show that the upper class and elites don’t have your back. As you mentioned they have a shady background, prop up the underdog, and whenever they get the opportunity throw the underdog under the bus for more power. They could have written her better but I liked the message I got from her character
Bellwether would have been more interesting if she had kept the same demeanor even as she explained how she was planning a race war and was going to kill Judy. Not only would it still feel like the same character, but the contrast could be unnerving.
Bellwheater should have been used better and seen more on screen. In my opinion I feel like Bellwether and Judy should’ve have been friends ever since Judy defended the group of sheep and Bellwether could have been one of them. Both of them would have supported each other and stood together as “little guys” But would soon go to different paths. Growing up, Bellwether would be considered a middle child of her two other siblings (which I’m just gonna say are the other two sheep with her at the fair.) and would never get attention from their parents while the oldest and youngest got more attention. What would make it worse for her is she got bullied constantly for being small and eventually wanted to study to become something bigger, an assistant mayor. Bellwether would be excited to do this job, only to realize the mayor is a predator and treated just as badly as all the other predators in her childhood. The only one that helped her was Judy, and appreciated her for that but secretly hated her for trying to work with predators at the police force, but would try to support her so she wouldn’t lose her only friend she ever had. Eventually Bellwether would start a plan to work against the predators in secret while Judy worked along with them. Bellwether could’ve also used this opportunity as assistant mayor to take over the city and use her friend to defend and help with her takeover. Throughout the story as Judy went through the case Bellwether could’ve used this as an advantage to her plan. Since Bellwether is assistant mayor and mayor later in the movie she could use cameras all over the city and can research possible suspects and certain areas to throw Judy off guard. Later in the movie, Nick could’ve suspected Bellwether of what she’s doing and told Judy about it, and Judy would soon have to chose to believe a prey or predator. In the end Judy would believe Bellwether and Nick got upset and left. Judy would then feel guilty and try to find Nick and Judy would soon find out Bellwether was the bad guy all along and had no choice but to fight her friend. Bellwether soon finds out about Judy knowing her plan and would soon betray Judy and try to kill her and Nick before they told the police anything. Bellwether hesitated to do this at first but after seeing Judy was going to believe and work with the predators no matter what happened, she decided to not look back. After she gets arrested, Judy tried to talk to her again but Bellwether ignored her entirely and forever hates Judy for befriending predators despite all she’s gone through and Judy has seen. And that’s I would do to make her story better in my opinion. (If anyone sees this comment, comment down what you think would be better.)❤
I can only imagine how they'll handle the "villain" in the sequel. Needless to say, out of all the movies I'm anticipating in 2025, Zootopia 2 is one of the ones I'm looking forward to the least.
17:32 Bellweather demonstrated patience IN HINDSIGHT when one considers Nick, who was a predatory animal (fox) whom she supposedly hates stroked her wool while she looked up information for Him and Judy in the computer scene. If her anti-predator agenda was meant to be taken seriously, She can't have liked Nick in particular petting her. Bellweather's personal security AND her henchmen making the aggression serum in the subway are ALL big strong Sheep. Bellweather was likely meant to be more a "Sheep supremacist" rather than a "prey supremacist". What I think though is that Disney must have not caught that this villain could be seen as a "racial supremacist" until later in production and they thought Bellweather was "promoting racism". Thus her motives were watered down GREATLY via Disney flushing them and telling themselves not elaborating on Bellweather's motives was okay because she would be "less suspect". THAT's why her villainy comes off as such an afterthought. Bellweather was "Hans 2.0" by accident!
While Bellwether isn't the worst twist villain (the prince from Frozen comes to mind) she isn't exactly the best. The hints where there don't get me wrong but she had three to eight minutes of screen time which made her twist villainy come out of no where. For example during the third act after Judy leaves Zootopia they should have placed a scene where Bellwether is supporting the segregation of Prey and Predator. That way the seed of her being the final villain and when Bellwether corners Judy and Nick she should have come off more hesitant to kill Judy.
Hans is a lot easier to spin as a bold faced liar, he knows how to act the part of a perfect person to the hopeless romantic that is Anna, then Bellwether is to spin as any kind of mastermind
For some Disney villains to analyse, how about some of the ones from the 1990s series Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers? Two recurring ones being Professor Nimnul and Fat Cat, both introduced in the 5-part pilot episode, but only appearing as independent villains after that.
Yeah, typically when it comes to villains, I believe only twist villains should get the "why" as to them being evil, because throughout the movie, we dont fully see why they are, however, I dont think the same should happen with villains that, from the start, we know are villains. Like Scar for example, everyone knew he was evil from the start and as the movie proceeds, it's easy to see that he did what he did because of greed and wanting to be king. Hell, his whole "life isnt fair, is it?" speech to the mouse an then later what he says to Zazu and Mufasa "I was first in line, then the little hairball was born" meaning he was bitter about the fact that he should have been the next king but then simba was born meaning he'd die before getting the chance to be king unless he did something about it. We did not need Mufasa, a movie made to make Scar out to be a sympathetic villain, and from what I heard from my sister, who saw it yesterday with her kids, it completely changes who Kovu and the Outsiders are. Instead of them being lions that were in Mufasa's pride who sided with Scar's way of ruling and were thus banished from the pride lands by Simba, apparently they are now the pride of lions that scar was born into or were the bad guys in the movie, I forget, but like, no, thats dumb. I actually liked the RA (Realistic Animation) Lion King, but i hate that the story is changed
Here are a few of my ideas! Scar: (Lion King) an envious villain Zira:( Lion King 2) a cynical villain or a grieving villain Lord Farquaad: (Shrek) an insecure villain Gaston: (Beauty and the Beast) a self absorbed villain or entitled villain Jafar: (Aladdin) an angry villain
I'd slate big Jack Horner as a better example of the entitled villain, Gaston has an ounce of vagueness on his view of the world, Jack is just a jerk who was never going to be happy with anything he got
I’m willing to bet that once Disney saw audiences surprising responses towards King Candy as Turbo, they then made it a mandate to put twist villains in the remaining upcoming films there forwards until audiences got tired of it and caught on to the lazy trend way too quickly.
I don’t think bellwether was just hateful toward predators, but large animals as a whole. At the police station, she both outranked and didn’t respect the chief. I think that because she leveraged her position to challenge him, as Bogo is the police chief it’s his call to fire officers not hers. If anyone should have the ability to veto that it’s the mayor and whatever council the city has.
I'm just noticing she also has a flower pin on her jacket in the computer scene, is it supposed to be a night howler flower or allude to one? Seems like they added a lot of hints but they were all too small.
No, Hans is 100% a sociopath, those people are r/confidentlyincorrect, although he could _also_ be a psychopath, that's irrelevant. Bellwether is also a sociopath... do you people _really_ need villains to literally twirl their mustaches on screen and drown orphans and widows before you recognize their behavior? It seems like every time someone is genuinely fooled (but watching through a second time we can definitely see why she does what she does) it breaks their brain, and they go... "but the character wuz smiling... so they're a good guy, right?" or something. Oh no... it gets worse somehow... "but her face was so round?" Bowser has the roundest face in... well it's round anyhow. 'Course he's got horns and fangs... Dedede is round. Even his beak is round. Seriously, if you're asking why Bellwether set Judy up as the face of the ZPD, her positive reputation as dedicated and optimistic, yet an officer who gets things done, makes her the perfect pawn to gain the trust of the prey population. And after uniting the prey under Judy, think Toon, think; why would Bellwether want to create a martyr for her cause? What could she _possibly_ gain by manufacturing a species riot that she literally just told -Judy- the audience that she was gonna do?
What annoys me with twist villains is the personality shift after the reveal. Any previous characterization is tossed aside, and suddenly they're a cold calculating sadistic monster. Capable of upholding a great act, fooling everyone, potentially for years. Zootopia is a crime mystery, a twist villain is practically necessary, but they really half baked this one.
Bellwether was right in a sense that a Utopia cannot exist; we cannot all live as one on this planet in peace and harmony. We need a little discord and chaos to counter act with the peace and harmony. There is no Utopia on planet earth so Lennon is wrong
True, but with Jack Horner, it played into the themes of the film, which was to value life, be thankful for what you have, and not be overly obsessed with shallow things. Jack Horner worked in that film because he was the exact opposite of the themes, a perfect reflection of what Puss could've become if he continued on the path he was going down before meeting the Wolf
@xenoshadow7575 There aren't hard and fast rules in writing, its all about context. Even a flat unmotivated villain can be a good villain if the rest of the story supports that choice.
Something I wanna know is...what actually qualifies as "predator" and "prey"? Because last I checked...Buffalo and Rhinos don't hunt and kill other animals to eat(For the most part...) they eat vegetables and berries...and lions would try to hunt Buffalo... So wouldn't Buffalo technically be considered "prey"? Which means that not all prey are small and helpless. heck aren't ELEPHANTS prey to some creatures? They're the biggest land animal today, but are they classified as "predator" in this movie for some reason? I don't honestly get it really.
A good twist reveal is a reveal that doesn't leave the audience confused, it should instead clear any possible confusion related to unexplained events in the story. The audience's proper reaction to a good twist reveal is "Oh, everything makes so much sense now!" Wreck-It Ralph did it well: although there was a precedent for denizens of a video game having tense relationships, King Candy's antagonistic behaviour towards Vanellope seemed really excessive, the first reveal of his schemes to keep her out of the Sugar Rush playable roster makde him look more insane than anything, and the short story of Turbo seemed mostly unrelated to the rest of the larger story, until King Candy is unmasked and revealed to be Turbo, then everything comes together: it makes sense for an impostor to go to insane lenghts to keep his secret hidden, it also makes sense for a spotlight-chasing narcissist like Turbo to try getting the main character of a popular racing game out of the picture, and this time he knew to act with more subtlety than the first time he invited himself into another game that ended rather abruptly.
I'll try out live-action movies soon! I'm not all to familiar with Transformers, but if people do enjoy me making live-action movies related content that I know some things about already, I'll gladly do some research in to Transformers and create a video on it!
Not really... There were zero hints towards it at all. Good twist villains are the ones that make you go "ohhhh I should have known!" when they're revealed, not go "huh? THAT'S the villain? Why?"
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios I saw the hints. They were how Lionheart was treating her. Even when I saw the first official trailer, I knew she was the villain, and...I hated it.
watching people go OH NO NUH UH he's not a SOCIOpath he's a PSYCHOpath is really funny because they're actually both just demeaning terms thrown at people with antisocial personality disorder (aspd) and are not used in official diagnostic settings or guides, only by people trying to describe aspd and don't know the correct terms. as such, it turned into a slur basically against people with aspd and used to demean people that the user doesn't agree with. ["being gay bad" -> f/ggot -> calling someone, regardless of their orientation, f/ggot to demean them. "being apathetic bad" -> psychopath (shortened to psycho) -> calling someone, regardless of their mental health history, psycho[path] to demean them.]
bell was a check mark not a character, this is why twist villains started to go down in quality. the twist villains were starting to be use as a gimmick and not as a characters they were.
Yeah, they kept downplaying her so she was present, but not present enough to the point where she'd be on the radar. Of course, that's just how some twist villains are.
I saw her change from cheering for Judy to trying to kill her as a way to make Judy a martyr for her agenda and that’s why she wanted Judy to be the face of the ZPD. She was always driven by power and if she assisted Judy with solving the missing carnivore cases, made her the face of the ZPD, and then publicized her death at the hands of a carnivore she trusted; Bellwether would have a name and face that she could use to justify and strengthen her agenda, and the perfect scapegoat in Nick.
So I think Bellwether was willing to let Judy die because Judy dying, at the hand of a predator everyone had seen her with, it would show not even the hardest working of "little guys" were safe.
If she still felt Judy was a threat, she could have secretly sent assassins after her anytime to cover her tracks. But then we wouldn't have a movie I suppose. But still...
@@Disneyfan82 The point wasn't just to get rid of Judy, it was to spread fear when the famous bunny cop is killed off my a deranged predator, right at the same time there was tension between the two groups.
Bellweather being conflicted or at least expressing remorse for sending Judy to her death would have given her some depth : it would have show that she did appreciate Judy but was willing to get rid of any obstacle on her way.
To be fair, the line "o-ho, no! *HE WILL."* Is a really hard line.
Agreed.
They do drop a blink-and-you-miss-it hint during Judy's first day, when she meets Nick. The ram that shouts at Nick for crossing the street in front of him, the entire reason Judy notices Nick, is Bellwether's henchman, Doug. You see him again later in the lab scene, as the one refining the nighthowler serum. Fun fact: the three rams are a reference to Breaking Bad, with the names Doug, Jesse, and Woolter, with the nighthowler lab being a reference to the chem lab in the show.
This is one of the few times when I think a twist villain was warranted since this was a mystery film. But I'd have loved to see more of Bellweather's past to explain her motivation beyond underappreciation. Rare time when the heroes are more interesting than the villain.
Yeah, I get that
Even Scooby Doo at least has their villains around more
Unless in the few cases where it’s actually multiple villains who more often than not have similar ideas.
Or it just straight up turns out that oh yeah, the legend and magic is true.
@Flame-rp6yq My own headcanon is something like this: Bellweather had a traumatic experience(s) like Judy, and vows to change Zootopia, but she has a twinge of bitterness and vengence to it. Given the fact that the actual MAYOR is a lion and predators actively try to erase prejudice about them, maybe a lot of predator crime is underreported by the police or the news, and Bellweather's abuse by predators is overlooked as a result. Enraged by what she sees as predators bullying their way into power, she develops the belief that "fear always works" and that all she needs to do is find a situation where suspicion against predators is validated and forever damages Zootopia's views on them. Maybe she'd even turn on larger prey, feeling as though they were never threatened or abused by predators due to their size/build.
Yeah, if anyone deserves their own origin story and tragic villain mark, it's Bellwether. Not Maleficent, Jafar, Cruella, or even Scar. But Bellwether, to me is like the Baby Doll of Zootopia, broken and shattered by society that is unkind and cruel to the "little guys" and more.
@Disneyfan82 I'd add Yzma to that due to her humor and charisma--plus Kuzco could be the scene stealer as payback.
Agreed. I really hope we look into Bellwether’s backstory in the sequel because we really need to know what made her do what she did because leaving her out just like that would be a terrible waste to her beautiful appearance. Not to mention there are so many unanswered questions about the night howler scandal which would take more than one single mastermind to handle it all out.
8:30 Racism is prejudice based on RACE not power class, hints the name. There is no such thing as "reverse" racism, just racism.
That's not true
@@zuhamalik1662Anyone can be racist against any ethnicity. Black, Asian, white it doesn't matter.
@@zuhamalik1662If you don't like someone purely based off their skin color and nothing else that's racist. It don't matter what your own skin looks like.
You're right on that one.
Absolutely right
I saw Bellwether as the villain a mile away - when she logged Judy into the computer system, I thought, "She's being a little too helpful. She's up to something."
Anyone could have been helpful to Judy, not just her.
Bellwether was trying to make Hopps become a representation of the prey, so she could turn the rabbit into a false martyr.
Yo i just search "Zootopia Villain" and this video show up at top and i just realized it was uploaded 15 minutes ago. What a coincidence lmao.
And i just realized this is the same channel who uploaded video about Shen!
Zootopia was the one movie where having a more symbolic villain would’ve worked. You can’t just take a minor character and give her an evil laugh and say “SEE! She was behind everything!!! Bet you didn’t see that one coming!!!”. Prejudice isn’t something you can just give a face and defeat in one fell swoop. It’s a disease that always finds a way to survive no matter how much he attempt to stop it.
Honestly I think a cooler concept is that she was literally a wolf in sheep's clothes. Basically she would be a wolf that was small for her species and could have been alpha but was too small to lead her clan. So to get power she would weasel her way into it by getting rid of larger predators to have less competition.
if Judy lived there was a chance Dawn's plot would've been exposed, why would villains want to risk having loose ends?
no one suspected her because THERE WAS NO REASON TO. she had no real motivation!
Thinking about it, there wasn’t an explicitly stated reason. Sure you can read between the lines but if she had a motive then without a doubt I believe the villainy would have been better
Her problem was that predators…existed? And she didn't want them to?
I guess there were some indications that prey were a minority in positions of power, but there didn't seem to be explicit discrimination or anything like that.
see, the sign of a good twist villain is that they play 2 sides until the reveal. assistant mayor was clearly a character of hers, and you missed the entire point of her being the villain
There was ONE other hint towards Bellweather... All the ones responsible for making the night howler pellets were sheep (its not a very good hint, nobody noticed it myself included... But still).
Just when you thought it was safe to go to bed, toon drops another video
Gonna give my point that they kinda gave away she had something to do with it when we clearly saw her in a position of power immediately as the mayor was delt with
if someone spent 5 minutes fleshing out her character in a beginning scene it would of worked. you need to show the audience how her hatred of predators was taught. you can see that judy’s parents have a fear of predators but show that bellwethers parents hated them and taught her that predators are worthless and that they need to hold the power and then maybe you can do the scene in the beginning with the fox and the sheep and have one of the sheep be bellwether and afterwords she says “ i hate predators” and judy tells her it’s not predators it’s just him he’s a jerk then walk off together but as they walk in she looks back with conviction and you can see her during the play( i think it was a play) in the crowd not cheering subtle hints like that just spend 5 minutes showing how her hatred was taught would’ve made her so compelling if they wanted to do a villain who just wanted power the mouse was the best option
Man Don't confuse Lamb with sheep its a same animal. Lambs Are baby sheep. As a person who onw's farm this is a bit misleading. Please correct that. 3:30
I personally thought that her as a villain was to show that the upper class and elites don’t have your back. As you mentioned they have a shady background, prop up the underdog, and whenever they get the opportunity throw the underdog under the bus for more power. They could have written her better but I liked the message I got from her character
Bellwether would have been more interesting if she had kept the same demeanor even as she explained how she was planning a race war and was going to kill Judy. Not only would it still feel like the same character, but the contrast could be unnerving.
Bellwheater should have been used better and seen more on screen. In my opinion I feel like Bellwether and Judy should’ve have been friends ever since Judy defended the group of sheep and Bellwether could have been one of them. Both of them would have supported each other and stood together as “little guys” But would soon go to different paths. Growing up, Bellwether would be considered a middle child of her two other siblings (which I’m just gonna say are the other two sheep with her at the fair.) and would never get attention from their parents while the oldest and youngest got more attention. What would make it worse for her is she got bullied constantly for being small and eventually wanted to study to become something bigger, an assistant mayor. Bellwether would be excited to do this job, only to realize the mayor is a predator and treated just as badly as all the other predators in her childhood. The only one that helped her was Judy, and appreciated her for that but secretly hated her for trying to work with predators at the police force, but would try to support her so she wouldn’t lose her only friend she ever had. Eventually Bellwether would start a plan to work against the predators in secret while Judy worked along with them. Bellwether could’ve also used this opportunity as assistant mayor to take over the city and use her friend to defend and help with her takeover. Throughout the story as Judy went through the case Bellwether could’ve used this as an advantage to her plan. Since Bellwether is assistant mayor and mayor later in the movie she could use cameras all over the city and can research possible suspects and certain areas to throw Judy off guard. Later in the movie, Nick could’ve suspected Bellwether of what she’s doing and told Judy about it, and Judy would soon have to chose to believe a prey or predator. In the end Judy would believe Bellwether and Nick got upset and left. Judy would then feel guilty and try to find Nick and Judy would soon find out Bellwether was the bad guy all along and had no choice but to fight her friend. Bellwether soon finds out about Judy knowing her plan and would soon betray Judy and try to kill her and Nick before they told the police anything. Bellwether hesitated to do this at first but after seeing Judy was going to believe and work with the predators no matter what happened, she decided to not look back. After she gets arrested, Judy tried to talk to her again but Bellwether ignored her entirely and forever hates Judy for befriending predators despite all she’s gone through and Judy has seen. And that’s I would do to make her story better in my opinion. (If anyone sees this comment, comment down what you think would be better.)❤
At least Bellwether is better than Hans as a twist villain. But the best Disney villain twist is Turbo / King Candy
I can only imagine how they'll handle the "villain" in the sequel. Needless to say, out of all the movies I'm anticipating in 2025, Zootopia 2 is one of the ones I'm looking forward to the least.
I thought you monkeys loved this sort of progressive slop though.
17:32 Bellweather demonstrated patience IN HINDSIGHT when one considers Nick, who was a predatory animal (fox) whom she supposedly hates stroked her wool while she looked up information for Him and Judy in the computer scene. If her anti-predator agenda was meant to be taken seriously, She can't have liked Nick in particular petting her. Bellweather's personal security AND her henchmen making the aggression serum in the subway are ALL big strong Sheep. Bellweather was likely meant to be more a "Sheep supremacist" rather than a "prey supremacist".
What I think though is that Disney must have not caught that this villain could be seen as a "racial supremacist" until later in production and they thought Bellweather was "promoting racism". Thus her motives were watered down GREATLY via Disney flushing them and telling themselves not elaborating on Bellweather's motives was okay because she would be "less suspect". THAT's why her villainy comes off as such an afterthought. Bellweather was "Hans 2.0" by accident!
While Bellwether isn't the worst twist villain (the prince from Frozen comes to mind) she isn't exactly the best. The hints where there don't get me wrong but she had three to eight minutes of screen time which made her twist villainy come out of no where. For example during the third act after Judy leaves Zootopia they should have placed a scene where Bellwether is supporting the segregation of Prey and Predator. That way the seed of her being the final villain and when Bellwether corners Judy and Nick she should have come off more hesitant to kill Judy.
Hans is a lot easier to spin as a bold faced liar, he knows how to act the part of a perfect person to the hopeless romantic that is Anna, then Bellwether is to spin as any kind of mastermind
"Wolf in sheep skin", yeah i think that's just an evil sheep.
For some Disney villains to analyse, how about some of the ones from the 1990s series Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers? Two recurring ones being Professor Nimnul and Fat Cat, both introduced in the 5-part pilot episode, but only appearing as independent villains after that.
Yeah, typically when it comes to villains, I believe only twist villains should get the "why" as to them being evil, because throughout the movie, we dont fully see why they are, however, I dont think the same should happen with villains that, from the start, we know are villains. Like Scar for example, everyone knew he was evil from the start and as the movie proceeds, it's easy to see that he did what he did because of greed and wanting to be king. Hell, his whole "life isnt fair, is it?" speech to the mouse an then later what he says to Zazu and Mufasa "I was first in line, then the little hairball was born" meaning he was bitter about the fact that he should have been the next king but then simba was born meaning he'd die before getting the chance to be king unless he did something about it. We did not need Mufasa, a movie made to make Scar out to be a sympathetic villain, and from what I heard from my sister, who saw it yesterday with her kids, it completely changes who Kovu and the Outsiders are. Instead of them being lions that were in Mufasa's pride who sided with Scar's way of ruling and were thus banished from the pride lands by Simba, apparently they are now the pride of lions that scar was born into or were the bad guys in the movie, I forget, but like, no, thats dumb. I actually liked the RA (Realistic Animation) Lion King, but i hate that the story is changed
Here are a few of my ideas!
Scar: (Lion King) an envious villain
Zira:( Lion King 2) a cynical villain or a grieving villain
Lord Farquaad: (Shrek) an insecure villain
Gaston: (Beauty and the Beast) a self absorbed villain or entitled villain
Jafar: (Aladdin) an angry villain
all of them are overrated. We've seen them so many times. If you want to know how to write a villain like that, there's are a lot of tutorials
I'd slate big Jack Horner as a better example of the entitled villain, Gaston has an ounce of vagueness on his view of the world, Jack is just a jerk who was never going to be happy with anything he got
I’m willing to bet that once Disney saw audiences surprising responses towards King Candy as Turbo, they then made it a mandate to put twist villains in the remaining upcoming films there forwards until audiences got tired of it and caught on to the lazy trend way too quickly.
These are great breakdowns, live action characters would also be awesome to have analysed
If you go into live action films, could you look at the character of the FireBlaster from Pixels?
I don’t think bellwether was just hateful toward predators, but large animals as a whole. At the police station, she both outranked and didn’t respect the chief. I think that because she leveraged her position to challenge him, as Bogo is the police chief it’s his call to fire officers not hers. If anyone should have the ability to veto that it’s the mayor and whatever council the city has.
I'm just noticing she also has a flower pin on her jacket in the computer scene, is it supposed to be a night howler flower or allude to one? Seems like they added a lot of hints but they were all too small.
No, Hans is 100% a sociopath, those people are r/confidentlyincorrect, although he could _also_ be a psychopath, that's irrelevant. Bellwether is also a sociopath... do you people _really_ need villains to literally twirl their mustaches on screen and drown orphans and widows before you recognize their behavior? It seems like every time someone is genuinely fooled (but watching through a second time we can definitely see why she does what she does) it breaks their brain, and they go... "but the character wuz smiling... so they're a good guy, right?" or something. Oh no... it gets worse somehow... "but her face was so round?" Bowser has the roundest face in... well it's round anyhow. 'Course he's got horns and fangs... Dedede is round. Even his beak is round.
Seriously, if you're asking why Bellwether set Judy up as the face of the ZPD, her positive reputation as dedicated and optimistic, yet an officer who gets things done, makes her the perfect pawn to gain the trust of the prey population. And after uniting the prey under Judy, think Toon, think; why would Bellwether want to create a martyr for her cause? What could she _possibly_ gain by manufacturing a species riot that she literally just told -Judy- the audience that she was gonna do?
Can you make a video about the Disney villain Dr. Facilier? 😈❤
What? How to write a well researched villain about voodoo???
What annoys me with twist villains is the personality shift after the reveal. Any previous characterization is tossed aside, and suddenly they're a cold calculating sadistic monster. Capable of upholding a great act, fooling everyone, potentially for years.
Zootopia is a crime mystery, a twist villain is practically necessary, but they really half baked this one.
If bellwether really wanted the “little guy” to be appreciated then why would nothing else change in the city like who is in power other than her?
Zootopia is a fine movie but writing wise you could fill a bucket with all the balls they dropped.
The best Twist villain that I missed in Disney was Turbo…Wouldn’t change a thing!😂
Sorry if I came off as "that guy" last video. Love your analyses, buddy!
How to write a villan like how to train your dragon?
Bellwether was right in a sense that a Utopia cannot exist; we cannot all live as one on this planet in peace and harmony.
We need a little discord and chaos to counter act with the peace and harmony. There is no Utopia on planet earth so Lennon is wrong
hey... it's here!!! thanks for aniother great vid!!!
Hope you enjoyed it!
What do you think of taking about the iron giant being a great hero
Lambs are young sheep 3:48
6:55 i mean isn't that what they did with Big Jack horner from puss in Boots the last wish? A lot of people seemed to love him
True, but with Jack Horner, it played into the themes of the film, which was to value life, be thankful for what you have, and not be overly obsessed with shallow things. Jack Horner worked in that film because he was the exact opposite of the themes, a perfect reflection of what Puss could've become if he continued on the path he was going down before meeting the Wolf
@chriscastaway that is true you make a fair point I just thought I would call that out
@xenoshadow7575 There aren't hard and fast rules in writing, its all about context. Even a flat unmotivated villain can be a good villain if the rest of the story supports that choice.
Bogo is a prey as a reminder
Hes a wildebeast
Could you possibly have a perfect setting/ backstory video
Hans from Frozen was a worse twist villian
I hope the sequel villain is done better
Something I wanna know is...what actually qualifies as "predator" and "prey"?
Because last I checked...Buffalo and Rhinos don't hunt and kill other animals to eat(For the most part...) they eat vegetables and berries...and lions would try to hunt Buffalo...
So wouldn't Buffalo technically be considered "prey"? Which means that not all prey are small and helpless.
heck aren't ELEPHANTS prey to some creatures? They're the biggest land animal today, but are they classified as "predator" in this movie for some reason?
I don't honestly get it really.
A good twist reveal is a reveal that doesn't leave the audience confused, it should instead clear any possible confusion related to unexplained events in the story. The audience's proper reaction to a good twist reveal is "Oh, everything makes so much sense now!"
Wreck-It Ralph did it well: although there was a precedent for denizens of a video game having tense relationships, King Candy's antagonistic behaviour towards Vanellope seemed really excessive, the first reveal of his schemes to keep her out of the Sugar Rush playable roster makde him look more insane than anything, and the short story of Turbo seemed mostly unrelated to the rest of the larger story, until King Candy is unmasked and revealed to be Turbo, then everything comes together: it makes sense for an impostor to go to insane lenghts to keep his secret hidden, it also makes sense for a spotlight-chasing narcissist like Turbo to try getting the main character of a popular racing game out of the picture, and this time he knew to act with more subtlety than the first time he invited himself into another game that ended rather abruptly.
Could you mabey do a video on Sentinel from Transformers ONE?
I'll try out live-action movies soon! I'm not all to familiar with Transformers, but if people do enjoy me making live-action movies related content that I know some things about already, I'll gladly do some research in to Transformers and create a video on it!
@@ToonOfficialYT I'm not talking about the live action transformers movies, I'm talking about the animated Transformers One movie. #transformersone
@@oskarbergkvist980 Aaaah sorry, I wasn't aware of that one to be completely honest. I'll have a look into it!
@@ToonOfficialYT Okay then. I hope you will like it.
Can you do Anime Villains. I love to know more of Anime logic
have no idea why you have to make the WOOSH sound EVERY TIME you bring an edit into the mix.
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Frist Daft... NOT FULL STORY! Bellwether feel NOT A... VILLAIN in the MOVIE, they almost villain to self. That's it's is..... BETTER 😀 MOVIE 🎬
I mean, i think Bellwether really worked as a twist villain
But she didn't get that much screen time for further development like King Candy did.
Not really... There were zero hints towards it at all. Good twist villains are the ones that make you go "ohhhh I should have known!" when they're revealed, not go "huh? THAT'S the villain? Why?"
She wasn't a twist villain though. It was OBVIOUS she was the villain.
She was a twist villain Hewy. Like Hans, She becomes evil in the last minute even though there were never any hints that she was evil.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios I saw the hints. They were how Lionheart was treating her. Even when I saw the first official trailer, I knew she was the villain, and...I hated it.
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Disney can’t a ruin they just created.
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you fell off lil bro
watching people go OH NO NUH UH he's not a SOCIOpath he's a PSYCHOpath is really funny because they're actually both just demeaning terms thrown at people with antisocial personality disorder (aspd) and are not used in official diagnostic settings or guides, only by people trying to describe aspd and don't know the correct terms. as such, it turned into a slur basically against people with aspd and used to demean people that the user doesn't agree with.
["being gay bad" -> f/ggot -> calling someone, regardless of their orientation, f/ggot to demean them.
"being apathetic bad" -> psychopath (shortened to psycho) -> calling someone, regardless of their mental health history, psycho[path] to demean them.]
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Lamb= baby sheep.