I just picked up a Z790 PG sonic board. Im building my first gaming rig in honor of my first game console and games, A Sega Genesis Model 2 and Sonic 1, 2 and 3. I even bought a AIO pump with a led screen so I can play a gif animation of sonic running. Im even planning on painting my MSI ATX case in white/blue with sonic on the back case.
is there a z790 board that can support pci-e5.0 x 16 (for video card) AND pci-e 5.0 m.2 ssd at the same time? or is it one or the other , from the $400-500 range boards I have not found one that can do both at the same time …. usually if you do m.2 pci-e 5.0 than your pci-e 5.0 for the video card gets reduced to x8
does not seem to be available. To be honest I'd look for pcie gen 4 x16 and pcie gen 5 M.2 as you are more likely to have fast drive in the next 2 years
hi, nice overview and comparison with other boards :)) one question though, does this still have the ethernet issues of i225-v/i226-v? such as the the disconnect issue, low speeds, dropping packets etc.
Let me make sure I heard you correctly, I am planning to used nvidia 3080 to, which is a pcie 4 x 16. So if I do not used nvme slot 1, but skip and start with slot 2, I should be ok to ensure the gpu has all of its pcie lanes available ? Or this is only limited to a spec Asus z790 mb model ?
It doesnt matter because the first pcie slot is pcie 5.0 so even if its working at x8, its just as fast as pci 4.0 x16. So no performance degradation for your gpu. So you can use the first m.2 slot without any problems.
where on ROG STRIX Z790-I GAMING WIFI is PCIe5.0 M.2 slot and a PCIe 4.0 I mean is the bottom 4.0 or 5.0 and can I put my ssd m.2 pci 4.0 on 5.0 and whats happen
moving from imac after 14 years to a PC. For coding/programming, is the Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX a good option in combination with a i5 13600K? Or a Gigabyte Z790 aero G atx. Thanks
They're both great picks for 13th gen intel processors. I wouldn't recommend anything less, unless you're willing to undergo a BIOS update on your board.
i been using Z270-F for over 6 years now and i just bought Z790-F i cba looking for diffrences and to try other motherboards i didnt have any issue for using Z270-F i loved it but its time for an upgrade!
Would love to know where the **Asus Rog Strix z690-a wifi** fits in this video since it also has BIOS Flashback, but is more expensive than the **Asus TUF Gaming z790 Plus Wifi** - I don't which to choose and I'm torn (wanting to get my hands on a i5-13600k). Any advice?
heya. to run the CPU that board is fine - I would look into the extra features such as NVME expansion as well as usb port requirements you have and see if it is enough for you
since the new AM 5 AMD Base and the two Intel Bases Z690 the new Z790 one & B660 was released .. Asus do not longer support The Bios Flashback Feature for their TUF Gaming Plus Boards for Intel !! What a Shame by Asus !! So if you wanna have the Bios Flashback Feature you have to get the next Higher Quality Board like ROG Strix Series if you wanna use the new Intel Cpu ... If you are a AMD User , then you still get the Bios Flashback Feature on TUF Gaming Plus Boards for B650 or X670 E for AM 5 ... What a poor Way by Asus for Intel Users ...
So when M.2_1 is not used, will the main PCIe_gen5 slot stay at 16x? Like if I used any/all other M.2 slots other than M.2_1, does the main PCIe_gen5 slot continue at x16? Or if I use any M.2 slot, it gets dropped to x8?
hey, on that specific board yes them m.2_1 is used then main slot drops to x8. others can be used. but other boards are different so make sure to read in their manuals or tech documents to see what it is like under storage and expansion sections
@@A2KMedia Normally its not a problem at the moment since there are no PCIE 5 NVME yet So u either way use only 4.0 like in the M.2_2 slot but exactly this is what i hate on the new boards .... u have to be really carefull to see what u can connect and what not
Should I get Strix B760-f or Z690-f if I'm going for a non K CPU? Both boards only have a little difference in price with Z690-f being slightly more expensive in where I live. Also, If I somehow the K CPU price drops and I decided to get one, is Z690-F still worth it even if I'm not going to OC?
I go with the Z690 because the Z790 no much upgrade to it paid more for what Z690 same specification anyway i paid $208 for theZ690 instead $360 for a Z790 just order one on Z690 2/24/2024
the VRM height seems to be the same but slightly different design. I would recommend reaching out directly to ASUS support to check this as I currently don't have NH-D15 to test with
@@A2KMedia On the z690-e there was some plastic that stood just in the way, people could remove it and it would fit (breaking warranty), it depends on how the shape is this time around.
Ram compatibility. ITX boards can push most kits harder than normal boards already because they don't have 4x dimms. The z790s have more recently validated testing for higher MT/s kits than the z690 and for more brands than the z690s Could be able to run a 7800-8000 kit on a z790 where the same brand z690 would only be able to run 6000-6600
Im worried about the ram support on z690. I ofteh read that the ram controller is very bad on z690 so if you want to use decent ram you should use a z790 board. Im confused now because i thought that the cpu has the ram controller so i wanted to use a z690 board with a 13700k and ddr 5 6000 cl 30 ram. Do i need to go z790 for this ? pls help
Yes, i'm using z690 formula with 13900k and 4090 plus purchased gskill 7600mhz 36cl ram kits but unfortunately current bios doesn't support more than 6400mhz. If you pass this frequency it's giving you errors even with increased dram voltage. While z690 msi boards can succesfully increase frequencies up to 7600mhz our premium asus boards aren't capable of these speeds. That's sad. And i'm now thinking if i should get z790 or keep my current pc at 6400 ram speeds
If I generally choose to buy first-gen of a technology to base my computer on for the next ten years and upgrade as necessary, which would you say is a better option for overall value?
Well this motherboard can only have 12 and 13 gen Intel cpus. Next gen will be different socket. Other than that, you need to see what components you need more. I personally prefer networking
@@donjuan3296 Did you read the "upgrade as necessary" part, I mean that I build a computer once every ten years and then upgrade from time to time over its lifespan
@@donjuan3296 With the performance of modern computers, you don't really need frequent upgrades unless you need the additional performance. I'm still using my i5-3570k since 2012 and I still can play the latest games.
If I were you, I'll wait for the 14gen which is already set to be released later this year. Those motherboards will be the future-proof. This 13th gen is a dead-upgrade.
i appreciate the volume of information you are covering, but it can be a little difficult to understand you, maybe slow it down a beat? 2:48 - can u explain the confusing part here? when m.2 one is used, pcie only runs 8 lands? can u clarify that? are u saying the GPU slot goes down to 8 lanes if u use an m.2 in slot one?
@@DoNotSayThree thats why we slow down speaking when we have a thicker accent. You could have responded a million ways, i was not expecting a curt answer, but it tells me what i need to know. thanks.
@@DoNotSayThree bro, first off, you dont know me and do not ever tell me what to do. Man to man, check urself, before someone else has to.i focus on what is important to me and in this instance i was trying to let you know that you spoke pretty fast and if you would slow it down a bit, it would be easier for EVERYONE to understand. If you cannot or will not take feedback, then just quit responding, you dont need to engage people with smartass comments who are simply trying to helpout and then in a following comment tell them what to do. Your ego is considerable and it is obvious here. i spoke "good" as outlined herein, you do not control feedback on the internet, and you need to learn how to listen and how to speak to people, and as i first noted, slow ur speech a little, which is what set you off on this tirade to begin with. So here we are, you diverting us from the point to try to tell another man, that you dont know what to do and to tell him how life is. All of this means that you do not understand boundaries in relationships and step on others toes all the time, for which they resent you, those who are financially dependent on you stay in your life longer than others, but most probablly just leave. If you are a sad and onely person, thats ok, but dont take it out on me, i have no room or patience for a young know it all to tell me anything about life, when you clearly do not know how to live your own.
@@doctaadam nobody mentioned your name buddy... lol glad you chimed in though. I did not find it rude, it is a curt answer, google that. I responded in-kind with a curt answer, thats all. nothing more.
@@creepy3973 Get a life bro. You wrote an essay because someone told you "that's why we have playback speed?" I think you meant that was a cute answer, not curt. If you respond to this you are sadder than I thought. Let it go.
So what is even point of any of these board, i mean if in "future" i have 1 PCIe 5.0 card and 1 PCie 5.0 M.2 SSD, somehow for Z690-E will not be able to give 16 Lane to My PCIe 5.0 card, because i will be utilizing my M 2.1 slot to use my gen 5 ssd. On the other side of the spectrum Hero version does have 2 -16 lane support, but in this case also my PCIe 5.0 card will not get 16 Lane. Point of these board is "future proofing". Really?? Gen 5 devices cant even run in thier potential due to Lane Limitaion - Then why buying any of these. Apart from this being early adopter we will be gifted with most unstable tech. Is my understanding correct though? i am not sure on that.
is there any point in going for ddr5 for gaming in 1440p yet? I'm considering an i7 13700k and ddr4, can always upgrade in the future if need be. ATM I'll probably just go for an extra ssd instead or something else QoL wise.
for gaming 13600k makes by far the most sense. it already has 14 cores... like 13600k is gonna be extremely good this gen. i'm personally getting ddr4 tomahawk z790 motherboard along with 13600k and using the remaining money on nvme drives id otherwise waste on ddr5 or i7/i9. on my opinion i7 makes no sense at all, you either get the i5 or go straight to i9 if you need extra cores. 13700k has only 2 more cores than 13600k, while 13900k has 8 more cores than 13700k.
@@teemuvesala9575 I7 will be way better in the long run and will last 10 years easily for gaming and the price between i5 and I7 is only 100€ in my country, this is nothing
@@shavonme Won’t last 10 years and the i7 has only 2 extra cores over the i5. You will be forced to upgrade long before 10 years as CPUs are advancing now lot faster than they did in the past decade. 100 euros is enough to buy 1TB NVME. Smart money buys either i5 or i9 this gen. i7 is really irrelevant because i9 has 8 more efficiency cores and is simply lot better for multithreaded workloads. For games, there’s practically no difference between i5 and i7 and you only lose 2 p cores. You literally get same number of e cores with i5 as you do with i7. This is the first time in long time when i5 makes lot more sense than i7.
@@shavonme Idk about 10 years but i'd say 5-7 years with some "bottlenecks" down the road. Personally still use 7700k and built it in 2017. Now running with 3080ti on 1440p and it still does it's job but man the bottleneck is real over here 🤣About time to build a whole new pc (no GPU) and thinking 13700k with Z790 and DDR5. Before that i gotta save up first 😅
im on the same boat. Want to upgrade to 13700k but deciding to go with DDR5. Even tho it won't make much difference yet, later down the road you can upgrade the ram without needing a new motherboard.
I'm building a new PC withi9 13900k, but I am worried about the lack of NVME and Sata ports as I was going to get a ROG Maximus Hero Z790. I have x3 NME drives.
@@jsteff9290 ... I guess since you're living in your mom's basement by yourself, there is no need. However, if you're sharing files with maybe someone else in the house there is a need.
This! For This Reason Alone Im Using A PCIE 10/25Gbit SFP+ Intel NIC The Onboard NIC’s Are So Bad Still Sad To See Such Bad Onboard NIC’s On Such High End Motherboards Like These
even the cheapest z790 mobos here in denmark is about 260 dollars!the 13600k was to be my next build, but the big power consumption and todays electric bills are too much for my wallet!
I have heard stories about electric bills being so high in Scandinavia. If that´s true I might consider a low power consumption Ryzen 7900 non-X. Or even a 7600 non-X. The problem are those damn AMD motherboards. Few options and insanely high price tags. Maybe wait for a good budget B650 board?
@@PinkasBrown44 not sure!probably still the high 95 degree work temp and a big cpu cooler for that too!using r7 5700x on aorus elite mobo!cheap combo since the r7 5700x is about 189 dollars now!
I had a z170 mobo from Asus (old mobo) and upgraded to a new pc, z790 from Gigabyte. WARNING : the onboard sound is poor compared to my old mobo. I have been forced to get a soundcard probably.
True. The entire AsRock lineup has the worst onboard, some of the other brands use the same one; but not on every single board. AsRock isn't a bad brand, but they tied themselves up in the corner with the Intel processors. There are a couple AsRock boards that would look awesome in certain PC builds. That crappy sound they chose detours me elsewhere.
Asus STRIX Z790 Gaming-E and is a great base for an Intel processor, unless someone wants something overkill or something on a budget, it has almost all the necessary extras that even a more demanding user needs
@@vlefteris no it doesn't i fitted a right angle USBC connector on the mobo then plugged a true TB4 cable into that and routed it out of my case - works fine, even if it looks a little janky. I have found no off the shelf solution to mount it, say to a PCIE slot. in retrospect this was dumbass decision by asus.
1. Previously the Asus Z690 boards were flawed with the VRM heatsink being too tall and blocks most high end air coolers. Would you able to try if the problem persist in these new boards? 2. Also for the Strix E, does that means using the main M2 slot is fairly impractical for anyone who doesnt want to sacrifice lanes to the graphic card?
I know the z790 has more chipset pcie lanes, faster DDR5 speeds than the z690 DDR5 speeds and support for SSD gen 5 BUT for gamers the only in game usefulness on the z790 is higher DDR5 speeds vs the z690 DDR5 speeds. That said the DDR5 speed increase will not make a MAJOR gaming experience over the z690 in my opinion. If you have the Asus z690 Hero like me you can get DDR5 6600 and of course the 13900k plus a new RTX 4090 so no real reason to upgrade I think this time around in my opinion.
Exactly, and here’s the deal. if you can get DDR5 RAM sticks with a happy median between the highest RAM speed for z690 DDR5 and the highest z790 DDR5 speeds that’s all realistically gamers need and would actually be able to notice in performance. DDR5 6000 and up is great for either z690 or z790.
"faster DDR5 speeds than the z690 DDR5 speeds", not sure about this. It probably depends on which CPU you slot in as the memory controller is there. On various forums you can see people reaching 8000mhz on Z690s
I dont understand, if you use M.2_1 pcie 1 works x8. BUT pcie 5.0 x8 is just as fast as pcie 4.0 x16 so why not use M.2_1? Its not degrading the gpu's performance at all.....
this only works if gpu supports PCIE gen 5. If GPU runs in PCIE gen 4 - you will end up running it with 8 lanes which with highest end GPU's will result in lost performance. I am talking 3090-4080 and above cards.
You have no idea how useful those charts were to me. The business of shared lanes and M.2 slots that don't work if a PCIe socket is occupied, or if all of the M.2 slots are used, you lose half of the SATA ports has been doing my head in. I still don't understand it all, but I think I'll be reasonably safe if I spend large on the Maximus Hero board. That's if they can find one.
thats a negative for the hero, it affects all boards with pcie 5.0 z690 or z790. essentially, it is false marketing, you can never trully utilize a 2nd pcie 5.0 lane. if either slot is occupied its downgraded. OR if a gen 5 ssd is installed in the 1st m.2 slot. TLDR you are paying extra for marketing on the hero, there is zero benefit for a 2nd pcie 5.0 slot on a z690 or z790 board. you missed the entire point.
@@j.a.3138 Looking to buy z690 Maximus Formula can you confirm if your system is stable? I did see many people complaining about 10e port issues and chipset temps with random crashing while playing games.
Should I upgrade my z690-e gaming to z790-e gaming for 13900k? I know it will support 13th gen.. I am just curios , is it worth to pay extra money for the new one
@@A2KMedia I use PC only for programming and gaming (sometimes photoshopping too) so probably those "specific features" are unnecessary for me. Thanks for the answer 🙂
Friend, speaking from experience it is NEVER worth the money for a one-generation upgrade. It takes at least 2 Generations of hardware to see enough improvements to justify paying for the upgrade.
I future proofed and it wasn't smart. I ended up switching to Intel today after "future proofing" an AMD system with a 5950X and 3090 lol You never know what direction life will take you sometimes.
I liked this channel and this guy right away, we really can use tech experts that do not behave like clowns these days. please don't mind me too much, person getting old talking here.
I have a Maximus Hero z690. and if I didn't I'd buy the Maximus Hero z690 for a discount. the two thunderbolt ports work with the razer thunderbolt4 dock. There is no real difference.
Just upgraded from a Rampage IV 2011 with a 4930k to an Asrock Steel Legen z790 with a 13900k. The upgrade better be noticeable because my bank and wife sure as hell noticed. Also I am amazed everything still is ugly as sin with rediculous marketing. I always wonder, who are the target buyers for this stuff - do they even care. I assume the designers are just skiing on their nose for a decade and creating these designs for gaudy Internet Cafes in upscale China. My 4090 from Palit was the most "affordable" i could find for my business and the name is Game Rock in guitar hero font and some rediculous plastic bs on it. The marketing text on the box is written by someone in the middle of an ayahusca experience, talking about how the crystals are plucked from the night sky and imbued with magical black energy.... I am not even going to start on the RGB that NOONE NEEDS. I guess as the world goes deeper into sthi humans get more reiduclous on get "creative" and come up with some postpunkposthumanpostsanity designs like its roaring 20s and we are into dada art again.
I think it's more wise to buy Z690 with DDR4 boards for now buy boards with DDR5, M.2 PCIE 5 SSD, and PCIE5 GPU support maybe at 14th gen with z890 era because probably by then, performance will improve much more again, and prices will go down because as of now, DDR5's FPS does not win in alot of games vs DDR4 unless you are using 7200MHz or above (ruclips.net/video/TPhu2HNuCKc/видео.html as shown at 13:49)
I go over the specifics of the boards to help viewers make educated decision before they just blindly buy a potentially wrong type of product (since there are so many variations to choose from). Ultimately everyone has its own purpose why they would choose a particular motherboard and it's impossible for me to address each person individually. Sorry you couldn't relate to this.
Asus maximus hero just died on my pc. Just no isgns of life no pos nothing compelatly dead after normal shutdown. Paid extra thout gona be relyable. Asus has crap audio aswell avoid it
that wasn't the point. The point of the video is to pick motherboard with features that you actually need and an explanation how to find that information out
the z690 series is a waste of money, because if you want to upgrade stuff next year and not swap out the mobo, you will need a z790 vs Z690 all the way. thier is currently a best mobo out their but its price is obviously not cheap, the asus z790 maximus apex thier is no better mobo in existence today then that one currently, z690 is just junk, dont waste cash of that garbage stuff. buy a z590 series if you need to save a few bucks but do not spend on z690 at all its garbage.
I just picked up a Z790 PG sonic board. Im building my first gaming rig in honor of my first game console and games, A Sega Genesis Model 2 and Sonic 1, 2 and 3.
I even bought a AIO pump with a led screen so I can play a gif animation of sonic running. Im even planning on painting my MSI ATX case in white/blue with sonic on the back case.
Is there much a difference between the ASUS Prime z790 vs the ASUS Prime z690?
is there a z790 board that can support pci-e5.0 x 16 (for video card) AND pci-e 5.0 m.2 ssd at the same time? or is it one or the other , from the $400-500 range boards I have not found one that can do both at the same time …. usually if you do m.2 pci-e 5.0 than your pci-e 5.0
for the video card gets reduced to x8
does not seem to be available. To be honest I'd look for pcie gen 4 x16 and pcie gen 5 M.2 as you are more likely to have fast drive in the next 2 years
which of this mobo come with intel "Extreme Performance" mode ?
hi, nice overview and comparison with other boards :)) one question though, does this still have the ethernet issues of i225-v/i226-v? such as the the disconnect issue, low speeds, dropping packets etc.
sorry I am not sure about that
May I know where do you get that metal asus thumb drive shown at 1:02? Can't find it online anywhere.
that's actually from their video, sorry not sure.
Let me make sure I heard you correctly, I am planning to used nvidia 3080 to, which is a pcie 4 x 16. So if I do not used nvme slot 1, but skip and start with slot 2, I should be ok to ensure the gpu has all of its pcie lanes available ? Or this is only limited to a spec Asus z790 mb model ?
as far as im aware, most if not all z790 motherboards do this with the first nvme slot, so it's recommended not using it and start at the 2nd one.
It doesnt matter because the first pcie slot is pcie 5.0 so even if its working at x8, its just as fast as pci 4.0 x16. So no performance degradation for your gpu. So you can use the first m.2 slot without any problems.
where on ROG STRIX Z790-I GAMING WIFI is PCIe5.0 M.2 slot and a PCIe 4.0 I mean is the bottom 4.0 or 5.0 and can I put my ssd m.2 pci 4.0 on 5.0 and whats happen
Stopped overclocking years ago, my systems now last for years and no lost data...
moving from imac after 14 years to a PC. For coding/programming, is the Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX a good option in combination with a i5 13600K? Or a Gigabyte Z790 aero G atx. Thanks
They're both great picks for 13th gen intel processors. I wouldn't recommend anything less, unless you're willing to undergo a BIOS update on your board.
@@mynameiswalterhartwellwhite420 Thanks for the reply. I bought the Gigabyte Aorus Master E-ATX Z790 and the i7 13700K. Waiting for delivery
if you are building a white themed PC then choose Z790 Aero G, else go with Aorus Elite AX which is equally good for a slightly lower price.
It's raining mobos! 😄
Nice overview, well presented 👍😉
Thanks! 😃
i been using Z270-F for over 6 years now and i just bought Z790-F i cba looking for diffrences and to try other motherboards i didnt have any issue for using Z270-F i loved it but its time for an upgrade!
Would love to know where the **Asus Rog Strix z690-a wifi** fits in this video since it also has BIOS Flashback, but is more expensive than the **Asus TUF Gaming z790 Plus Wifi** - I don't which to choose and I'm torn (wanting to get my hands on a i5-13600k). Any advice?
heya. to run the CPU that board is fine - I would look into the extra features such as NVME expansion as well as usb port requirements you have and see if it is enough for you
Gigabyte AERO G DDR4 if you are not looking for RGB
and MSI Z790 Edge of you are looking for RGB board
@@A2KMedia wouldn't the asus tuf be better for running 2 sticks since its a daisy chain topology and like $90 difference
since the new AM 5 AMD Base and the two Intel Bases Z690 the new Z790 one & B660 was released .. Asus do not longer support The Bios Flashback Feature for their TUF Gaming Plus Boards for Intel !! What a Shame by Asus !! So if you wanna have the Bios Flashback Feature you have to get the next Higher Quality Board like ROG Strix Series if you wanna use the new Intel Cpu ... If you are a AMD User , then you still get the Bios Flashback Feature on TUF Gaming Plus Boards for B650 or X670 E for AM 5 ... What a poor Way by Asus for Intel Users ...
@@shari_8410 well but it's ok
just buy ROG
they are worth the money
So when M.2_1 is not used, will the main PCIe_gen5 slot stay at 16x? Like if I used any/all other M.2 slots other than M.2_1, does the main PCIe_gen5 slot continue at x16? Or if I use any M.2 slot, it gets dropped to x8?
hey, on that specific board yes them m.2_1 is used then main slot drops to x8. others can be used. but other boards are different so make sure to read in their manuals or tech documents to see what it is like under storage and expansion sections
@@A2KMedia Normally its not a problem at the moment since there are no PCIE 5 NVME yet
So u either way use only 4.0 like in the M.2_2 slot
but exactly this is what i hate on the new boards .... u have to be really carefull to see what u can connect and what not
It doesnt matter at all, pcie_gen 5 slot x8 is the same as 4.0 x16 so no degradation in performance even if you use M2_1
@@billx4266 your maybe right .. but if u do not remember it coul dhave some influence in the future when u get new hardware
Would be nice to see an Asus z790 Maximus Extreme Glacial
Should I get Strix B760-f or Z690-f if I'm going for a non K CPU? Both boards only have a little difference in price with Z690-f being slightly more expensive in where I live.
Also, If I somehow the K CPU price drops and I decided to get one, is Z690-F still worth it even if I'm not going to OC?
I go with the Z690 because the Z790 no much upgrade to it paid more for what Z690 same specification anyway i paid $208 for theZ690 instead $360 for a Z790 just order one on Z690 2/24/2024
Will the NH-D15 fit on the Strix-790E? It didn't fit for the Z690. Some info I really really want to know.
the VRM height seems to be the same but slightly different design. I would recommend reaching out directly to ASUS support to check this as I currently don't have NH-D15 to test with
I used the NH-D14 with the Noctua NM-i77xx-MP83 adapter kit and it worked for my Strix Z690 board.
@@A2KMedia On the z690-e there was some plastic that stood just in the way, people could remove it and it would fit (breaking warranty), it depends on how the shape is this time around.
Yes, it fits on the Strix 790E and 790F. Noctua has a compatibility tool on their website.
Is there a point to get Z790 over Z690 for an ITX format since such small motherboard can't have more than 1 PCIe slot?
I was thinking the same
Ram compatibility.
ITX boards can push most kits harder than normal boards already because they don't have 4x dimms.
The z790s have more recently validated testing for higher MT/s kits than the z690 and for more brands than the z690s
Could be able to run a 7800-8000 kit on a z790 where the same brand z690 would only be able to run 6000-6600
I have an msi z790p i9 and 4080 oc. Is that ok
if i remove the socket for intel do iu have still the warrenty
I suspect not.
which is better?
Hello, I looked up the Asus intel motherboards, so I like the z790 Asus apex. but, I couldn't find that, I kept searching for it.😤
they released it just few days ago, trying to get my hands on it - it looks very good though! :)
I could not find what does the A and E means behind the Z790- and I could not find the difference except the colour
Asus uses lettering to define class of the motherboard. A would be the lowest end board
Im worried about the ram support on z690. I ofteh read that the ram controller is very bad on z690 so if you want to use decent ram you should use a z790 board. Im confused now because i thought that the cpu has the ram controller so i wanted to use a z690 board with a 13700k and ddr 5 6000 cl 30 ram. Do i need to go z790 for this ? pls help
Z690 is fine for that.
They all have the same problem with the four sticks but there is a fix for bios if you look it up
I simply bought DDR5 RAM that was on my MB's QVL list and have had zero issues.
chose Z790 if you don't find DDR5s still too overpriced, and choose Z690 for DDR4 if there are still stocks
Yes, i'm using z690 formula with 13900k and 4090 plus purchased gskill 7600mhz 36cl ram kits but unfortunately current bios doesn't support more than 6400mhz. If you pass this frequency it's giving you errors even with increased dram voltage. While z690 msi boards can succesfully increase frequencies up to 7600mhz our premium asus boards aren't capable of these speeds. That's sad. And i'm now thinking if i should get z790 or keep my current pc at 6400 ram speeds
Straight to the point. and good content. Thanks for now wasting my time like linus or 2cent
If I generally choose to buy first-gen of a technology to base my computer on for the next ten years and upgrade as necessary, which would you say is a better option for overall value?
Well this motherboard can only have 12 and 13 gen Intel cpus. Next gen will be different socket. Other than that, you need to see what components you need more. I personally prefer networking
10 years? Sorry man, technology is advancing fast. Probably you'll need an upgrade after 5-6 years.
@@donjuan3296 Did you read the "upgrade as necessary" part, I mean that I build a computer once every ten years and then upgrade from time to time over its lifespan
@@donjuan3296 With the performance of modern computers, you don't really need frequent upgrades unless you need the additional performance. I'm still using my i5-3570k since 2012 and I still can play the latest games.
If I were you, I'll wait for the 14gen which is already set to be released later this year. Those motherboards will be the future-proof. This 13th gen is a dead-upgrade.
How are those lights in the back not in your description?! I need those, anyone know what he's got setup?
Heya! It's Edison bulbs, pendant lamp shade Brunsta and Rollsbo LED light bulb with black base. All from IKEA :)
@@A2KMedia Thank you!
i appreciate the volume of information you are covering, but it can be a little difficult to understand you, maybe slow it down a beat? 2:48 - can u explain the confusing part here? when m.2 one is used, pcie only runs 8 lands? can u clarify that? are u saying the GPU slot goes down to 8 lanes if u use an m.2 in slot one?
@@DoNotSayThree thats why we slow down speaking when we have a thicker accent. You could have responded a million ways, i was not expecting a curt answer, but it tells me what i need to know. thanks.
@@creepy3973 If you think that's rude, go get help.
@@DoNotSayThree bro, first off, you dont know me and do not ever tell me what to do. Man to man, check urself, before someone else has to.i focus on what is important to me and in this instance i was trying to let you know that you spoke pretty fast and if you would slow it down a bit, it would be easier for EVERYONE to understand. If you cannot or will not take feedback, then just quit responding, you dont need to engage people with smartass comments who are simply trying to helpout and then in a following comment tell them what to do. Your ego is considerable and it is obvious here. i spoke "good" as outlined herein, you do not control feedback on the internet, and you need to learn how to listen and how to speak to people, and as i first noted, slow ur speech a little, which is what set you off on this tirade to begin with. So here we are, you diverting us from the point to try to tell another man, that you dont know what to do and to tell him how life is. All of this means that you do not understand boundaries in relationships and step on others toes all the time, for which they resent you, those who are financially dependent on you stay in your life longer than others, but most probablly just leave. If you are a sad and onely person, thats ok, but dont take it out on me, i have no room or patience for a young know it all to tell me anything about life, when you clearly do not know how to live your own.
@@doctaadam nobody mentioned your name buddy... lol glad you chimed in though. I did not find it rude, it is a curt answer, google that. I responded in-kind with a curt answer, thats all. nothing more.
@@creepy3973 Get a life bro. You wrote an essay because someone told you "that's why we have playback speed?" I think you meant that was a cute answer, not curt. If you respond to this you are sadder than I thought. Let it go.
So what is even point of any of these board, i mean if in "future" i have 1 PCIe 5.0 card and 1 PCie 5.0 M.2 SSD, somehow for Z690-E will not be able to give 16 Lane to My PCIe 5.0 card, because i will be utilizing my M 2.1 slot to use my gen 5 ssd. On the other side of the spectrum Hero version does have 2 -16 lane support, but in this case also my PCIe 5.0 card will not get 16 Lane.
Point of these board is "future proofing". Really?? Gen 5 devices cant even run in thier potential due to Lane Limitaion - Then why buying any of these.
Apart from this being early adopter we will be gifted with most unstable tech.
Is my understanding correct though? i am not sure on that.
My pc build has the Asus Prime z790-P wifi motherboard with an RTX 4090 and i9-13900k
is there any point in going for ddr5 for gaming in 1440p yet? I'm considering an i7 13700k and ddr4, can always upgrade in the future if need be. ATM I'll probably just go for an extra ssd instead or something else QoL wise.
for gaming 13600k makes by far the most sense. it already has 14 cores... like 13600k is gonna be extremely good this gen. i'm personally getting ddr4 tomahawk z790 motherboard along with 13600k and using the remaining money on nvme drives id otherwise waste on ddr5 or i7/i9. on my opinion i7 makes no sense at all, you either get the i5 or go straight to i9 if you need extra cores. 13700k has only 2 more cores than 13600k, while 13900k has 8 more cores than 13700k.
@@teemuvesala9575 I7 will be way better in the long run and will last 10 years easily for gaming and the price between i5 and I7 is only 100€ in my country, this is nothing
@@shavonme Won’t last 10 years and the i7 has only 2 extra cores over the i5. You will be forced to upgrade long before 10 years as CPUs are advancing now lot faster than they did in the past decade. 100 euros is enough to buy 1TB NVME. Smart money buys either i5 or i9 this gen. i7 is really irrelevant because i9 has 8 more efficiency cores and is simply lot better for multithreaded workloads. For games, there’s practically no difference between i5 and i7 and you only lose 2 p cores. You literally get same number of e cores with i5 as you do with i7. This is the first time in long time when i5 makes lot more sense than i7.
@@shavonme Idk about 10 years but i'd say 5-7 years with some "bottlenecks" down the road. Personally still use 7700k and built it in 2017. Now running with 3080ti on 1440p and it still does it's job but man the bottleneck is real over here 🤣About time to build a whole new pc (no GPU) and thinking 13700k with Z790 and DDR5. Before that i gotta save up first 😅
im on the same boat. Want to upgrade to 13700k but deciding to go with DDR5. Even tho it won't make much difference yet, later down the road you can upgrade the ram without needing a new motherboard.
where are the micro-ATX board? I've been waiting for it to come out! WTF?!!!
Are there any motherboards that offers two M.2 ports?
I cover that in the video
VRM Is all !!
For gaming stability!
Does it support rxt 3070 it ddr6 ?
Yes
so there are only asus z790 motherboards?
for now, we are waiting for the lower end boards to come out still
I'm building a new PC withi9 13900k, but I am worried about the lack of NVME and Sata ports as I was going to get a ROG Maximus Hero Z790. I have x3 NME drives.
hey, check out our latest video with z790 Dark Hero :)
Thanks. I just discovered that Dark Hero one today. @@A2KMedia
So, what's your advice if I am building a new system with the a Asus Z790 Hero motherboard, Nvidia RTX 4070TI and x3 NVME drives?
For the money now they should add Intel 10GbE particularly on the ROG boards.
Whats the point if there is no internet providers supporting such high speeds
@@jsteff9290 ... I guess since you're living in your mom's basement by yourself, there is no need. However, if you're sharing files with maybe someone else in the house there is a need.
This! For This Reason Alone Im Using A PCIE 10/25Gbit SFP+ Intel NIC The Onboard NIC’s Are So Bad Still Sad To See Such Bad Onboard NIC’s On Such High End Motherboards Like These
@@DJaquithFL was there a necessity to be so rude? damn
even the cheapest z790 mobos here in denmark is about 260 dollars!the 13600k was to be my next build, but the big power consumption and todays electric bills are too much for my wallet!
I have heard stories about electric bills being so high in Scandinavia. If that´s true I might consider a low power consumption Ryzen 7900 non-X. Or even a 7600 non-X. The problem are those damn AMD motherboards. Few options and insanely high price tags. Maybe wait for a good budget B650 board?
@@PinkasBrown44 not sure!probably still the high 95 degree work temp and a big cpu cooler for that too!using r7 5700x on aorus elite mobo!cheap combo since the r7 5700x is about 189 dollars now!
13900k in ITX possible?
I can't see why not, but will have to see if cooling will be sufficient.
I had a z170 mobo from Asus (old mobo) and upgraded to a new pc, z790 from Gigabyte. WARNING : the onboard sound is poor compared to my old mobo. I have been forced to get a soundcard probably.
True. The entire AsRock lineup has the worst onboard, some of the other brands use the same one; but not on every single board.
AsRock isn't a bad brand, but they tied themselves up in the corner with the Intel processors.
There are a couple AsRock boards that would look awesome in certain PC builds. That crappy sound they chose detours me elsewhere.
Asus STRIX Z790 Gaming-E and is a great base for an Intel processor, unless someone wants something overkill or something on a budget, it has almost all the necessary extras that even a more demanding user needs
Asus can go out of business imagine still supporting them lol
I bought my z790 boards (z790-I WIFI and z790-Extrerme ) mainly because of TB4
Please can you tell me, does the extreme z790 include in the package a cable for the onboard TB4 front header?
@@vlefteris no it doesn't i fitted a right angle USBC connector on the mobo then plugged a true TB4 cable into that and routed it out of my case - works fine, even if it looks a little janky. I have found no off the shelf solution to mount it, say to a PCIE slot. in retrospect this was dumbass decision by asus.
@@scytob Ok thanks!
is the z790 bios needs to be updated first too to support 13 Gen !!
no, it should work out of the box. but most of these support bios flashback so you can do that too without cpu
@@A2KMedia cool thanks just not sure I am afraid I do it wrong and ruin it
1. Previously the Asus Z690 boards were flawed with the VRM heatsink being too tall and blocks most high end air coolers. Would you able to try if the problem persist in these new boards?
2. Also for the Strix E, does that means using the main M2 slot is fairly impractical for anyone who doesnt want to sacrifice lanes to the graphic card?
I second that - is the ILM fixed ?
just get msi or gigabyte, asus is trash these days
@@YouOnlyLiveOnce... The ILM is identical to the previous generation.
@@teemuvesala9575 - I have 5 ASUS MB's less than a year old. They are perfectly fine good working boards...
I know the z790 has more chipset pcie lanes, faster DDR5 speeds than the z690 DDR5 speeds and support for SSD gen 5 BUT for gamers the only in game usefulness on the z790 is higher DDR5 speeds vs the z690 DDR5 speeds. That said the DDR5 speed increase will not make a MAJOR gaming experience over the z690 in my opinion. If you have the Asus z690 Hero like me you can get DDR5 6600 and of course the 13900k plus a new RTX 4090 so no real reason to upgrade I think this time around in my opinion.
you basically summed it up. thing about RAM - i used 6000 M/T ram on z690 without a problem and most people won't need to go past that for now
Exactly, and here’s the deal. if you can get DDR5 RAM sticks with a happy median between the highest RAM speed for z690 DDR5 and the highest z790 DDR5 speeds that’s all realistically gamers need and would actually be able to notice in performance. DDR5 6000 and up is great for either z690 or z790.
"faster DDR5 speeds than the z690 DDR5 speeds", not sure about this. It probably depends on which CPU you slot in as the memory controller is there. On various forums you can see people reaching 8000mhz on Z690s
@@sgru9558 This is true, I was just saying on paper z7900 has higher DDR5 speeds.
Latency matters just as much as clock speed. People get so hung up on clock speeds and end up WAY overspending for minute performance gains.
3:55 holy shit i laughed so hard.
Haha, glad I'm not the only one
I dont understand, if you use M.2_1 pcie 1 works x8.
BUT pcie 5.0 x8 is just as fast as pcie 4.0 x16 so why not use M.2_1? Its not degrading the gpu's performance at all.....
this only works if gpu supports PCIE gen 5. If GPU runs in PCIE gen 4 - you will end up running it with 8 lanes which with highest end GPU's will result in lost performance. I am talking 3090-4080 and above cards.
Bro that m.2 16 lane or 8 lane stuff is so confusing and such a dealbraker
So many motherboards being released with x670 and z790 yet prices remain high.🤑
MUST SPEND 1000$ ON A MOTHERBOARD💵💵💵💵💵💵
You have no idea how useful those charts were to me. The business of shared lanes and M.2 slots that don't work if a PCIe socket is occupied, or if all of the M.2 slots are used, you lose half of the SATA ports has been doing my head in. I still don't understand it all, but I think I'll be reasonably safe if I spend large on the Maximus Hero board. That's if they can find one.
there are so many variables in all of these boards its crazy!
Can I pair i7 13th gen 13700f
Is BIOS are going to work properly with this cpu?
thats a negative for the hero, it affects all boards with pcie 5.0 z690 or z790. essentially, it is false marketing, you can never trully utilize a 2nd pcie 5.0 lane. if either slot is occupied its downgraded. OR if a gen 5 ssd is installed in the 1st m.2 slot. TLDR you are paying extra for marketing on the hero, there is zero benefit for a 2nd pcie 5.0 slot on a z690 or z790 board. you missed the entire point.
Bro, Asus should make a new rog z790 formula the white one😅
I have the z690 Maximus Formula also waiting for the z790 Formula! and the white 4x Strix cards
@@j.a.3138 Looking to buy z690 Maximus Formula can you confirm if your system is stable? I did see many people complaining about 10e port issues and chipset temps with random crashing while playing games.
That’s why I’m not upgrading my motherboard 😅
I want the extreme to be white😍
Z790a Maximus Apex 👍🏻
Should I upgrade my z690-e gaming to z790-e gaming for 13900k? I know it will support 13th gen.. I am just curios , is it worth to pay extra money for the new one
no unless you need any specific features
@@A2KMedia I use PC only for programming and gaming (sometimes photoshopping too) so probably those "specific features" are unnecessary for me. Thanks for the answer 🙂
no worries, then you probably won't need to upgrade at all :)
Friend, speaking from experience it is NEVER worth the money for a one-generation upgrade.
It takes at least 2 Generations of hardware to see enough improvements to justify paying for the upgrade.
@@A2KMedia
What about the faster memory support? The white itx board supports 8000mhz ddr5 which is surely better for gaming especially FPS lows
why......z690hero purchesed use tie only 3 month .........what id cry or he he haa🤣😢😭🤣😅
I future proofed and it wasn't smart. I ended up switching to Intel today after "future proofing" an AMD system with a 5950X and 3090 lol
You never know what direction life will take you sometimes.
What would be the perfomance difference in games vs z690?
Unlikely any
@@A2KMedia thanks for the response!
only advantage of z690 is they are in stock. ill be waiting for asus 790e ir f , ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I liked this channel and this guy right away, we really can use tech experts that do not behave like clowns these days. please don't mind me too much, person getting old talking here.
A 790 is only 30 euro more compared to a 690 and i dont need to update the bios. So guess what i will buy..
I have a Maximus Hero z690.
and if I didn't I'd buy the Maximus Hero z690 for a discount.
the two thunderbolt ports work with the razer thunderbolt4 dock.
There is no real difference.
I am waiting for 13400F until next year. 😢
dang, no z790 pro art :(
that is coming too
First question should be: are you a creator, gamer, or other?
Why no Asus ProArt board?
The maximus hero z690 is on fire!
it is awsome I have it, It's quite remarkable that so little change with Z790 Hero.
litterally
Just upgraded from a Rampage IV 2011 with a 4930k to an Asrock Steel Legen z790 with a 13900k. The upgrade better be noticeable because my bank and wife sure as hell noticed. Also I am amazed everything still is ugly as sin with rediculous marketing. I always wonder, who are the target buyers for this stuff - do they even care. I assume the designers are just skiing on their nose for a decade and creating these designs for gaudy Internet Cafes in upscale China. My 4090 from Palit was the most "affordable" i could find for my business and the name is Game Rock in guitar hero font and some rediculous plastic bs on it. The marketing text on the box is written by someone in the middle of an ayahusca experience, talking about how the crystals are plucked from the night sky and imbued with magical black energy.... I am not even going to start on the RGB that NOONE NEEDS. I guess as the world goes deeper into sthi humans get more reiduclous on get "creative" and come up with some postpunkposthumanpostsanity designs like its roaring 20s and we are into dada art again.
no matter what business you have, you do not need a 4090 to do it efficiently and well.
can you sum up and suggest a good budget motherboard for intel i9 13900k
why would you get 13900k and go budget? you should go with 13700k then and go mid range.
@@A2KMedia i mean to say a perfect and good for 13900k
most mid range boards will be fine, it really depends on the features you want such as better networking, more pcie lanes etc
You keep saying Zed790.... but all I see is Z790??
exactly!! :)
@@A2KMediaThere is a new board called ROG strix Z790 - H , Is that a good board?
why is building a pc so damn complicated with compatibility
also watch out some z790s are not future proof for 14th gen
Did he just said i need an extra brain to understand the USB 3.2 gen 2x2? ... wow.
some tech humor is always healthy :)
Maybe 11th gen motherboard are still worth it this time.
I would probably look at the 10th gen then with the 10 core 10900k
@@A2KMedia I have asus rog strix b560-i board here. Soon I'm planning to buy core i3 10100f to complete if I have extra money.
@@A2KMedia to complete my build*
That's what people said core 10900k is better than 11th gen processor.
@@michaelvincentguray4952 Becouse memory have only gear 1 and much better overckloking
Got my z590 strix-e for 120 at microcenter open box. In perfect condition. Coupled that with an 11900k and memory. I was out the door for 400 bucks.
I'm sorry but I don't see any good reason to overclock a perfect fast motherboard.
why do you have so many motherboards bro
Well it's to make this video :)
I think it's more wise to buy Z690 with DDR4 boards for now
buy boards with DDR5, M.2 PCIE 5 SSD, and PCIE5 GPU support maybe at 14th gen with z890 era
because probably by then, performance will improve much more again, and prices will go down
because as of now, DDR5's FPS does not win in alot of games vs DDR4 unless you are using 7200MHz or above (ruclips.net/video/TPhu2HNuCKc/видео.html as shown at 13:49)
Prices very rarely seem to go down...
I cant relate the topic and the content of this video. It says "wasting money on Z790" but there is no point that you clarify this sentence.
I go over the specifics of the boards to help viewers make educated decision before they just blindly buy a potentially wrong type of product (since there are so many variations to choose from). Ultimately everyone has its own purpose why they would choose a particular motherboard and it's impossible for me to address each person individually. Sorry you couldn't relate to this.
Why do AMD hate us
These are just Asus boards....
Two words: Memory Controller. Z790>
Oh man what a handsome smart guy
Asus maximus hero just died on my pc. Just no isgns of life no pos nothing compelatly dead after normal shutdown. Paid extra thout gona be relyable. Asus has crap audio aswell avoid it
WAsting money??? You are recommending the most outragously priced boards lol
that wasn't the point. The point of the video is to pick motherboard with features that you actually need and an explanation how to find that information out
Not satisfying
Aioshield is bulshit, still weening noises from audio… never trust built in audio buy external
Asus Maximus Hero Z790 sucks!!!! I'm about to throw mine in the trash!
how comes?
the z690 series is a waste of money, because if you want to upgrade stuff next year and not swap out the mobo, you will need a z790 vs Z690 all the way.
thier is currently a best mobo out their but its price is obviously not cheap, the asus z790 maximus apex thier is no better mobo in existence today then that one currently,
z690 is just junk, dont waste cash of that garbage stuff. buy a z590 series if you need to save a few bucks but do not spend on z690 at all its garbage.
Clueless video spreading nonsense. "Great job"
thanks for the feedback, do you mind sharing more info so we know what to improve on?
Is it really worth buying a z790 board when you can save on z690 ? Build for gaming only ?
I would look for z690 unless you need any z790 features