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- How to change a hot water cylinder. We cover draining down the heating system, removing the old hot water cylinder which includes an indirect coil, immersion heater, surrey flange and shower pump so it's pretty insane. I'm not telling you exactly how to change one, this is more for the plumbing apprentices out there. Solders are a bit random as I used a new Fluxuator on these fittings. Enjoy!
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Excellent work, it's rare to come across a plumber who takes pride in his work especially domestic plumbers in Ireland. That job cannot be faulted
At last a plumber who puts valves on the primary flow and return to the cylinder! Thank you for showing and telling that in your video. Apprentices take note. #holdtight
Ha! You know mate. Always prepare for the worst! Happy crimbo innit.
U can't always put valves on the flow and return of the coil if the coil is for a solid fuel system it's against regulations 2 put isolation valves on a gravity line
@@mikef6816 good man
Great job and brilliant explanations, i’m 36 and decided a year ago that i want to become a plumber now so i’ve started collage and somehow i came across your videos which is the best thing that has happened! Love everything you do! Keep it going.
Hi just seen your comment, I’m halfway through a college plumbing course at the moment! Wondering how the new career is going for you?
I changed a tank once, in a very hard water area.......it took three of us to get it down the stairs; it had nearly an inch of hard water deposit all around the inside of the tank. I carried the new tank up with virtually one hand.
Totally agree about the annoying cold feed position. Replacing a cylinder next week and the current one is an old Hercal with cold feed conveniently placed at the front next to primaries. Along with the leak risk, the new cylinder will need to be brought forward to accommodate the fittings . This is going to create so many problems. Why do we seem to be going backwards in terms of design with so many things.
Hi James, love your plumbing videos. They've helped me out twice over the Christmas break on my own system. I had two rads not heating up at all after Br Gas drained the system down for a repair. Managed to get both working after watching your vid on clearing an airlock.
My second issue was that the boiler didn't shut down after the hive thermostat turned off.
I have 27 rads on a 3 zone system and traced it to the motorised valve on zone 3 not shutting off. It turned out the valve was stuck in the on position due to worn teeth on the cam that activates the micro switch.
I noticed that you mentioned in the video that the motors can fail and the valve not opening but might be worth mentioning that they can stick in the open position.
Thanks again, and hold tight !
Cool vid best bit is the amount of room you got to work within and around the airing cupboard, don’t see that to often.
As a DIYer, polishing the pipes is not just vanity, it’s also good to get the flux residue off. It is the same in electronics, we wash the solder joints with isopropanol alcohol to save the corrosion later on. Leave the older acid fluxes on and the joints grow beards in a few years! Also as The Boys says ..... it looks like you care about your work and that after all is all the recommendation you need.
It always suprises me how many guys on utube never use boswhite or similar on every single compression fitting i was always shown by my old boss ,do every single time ,and if you feel a bit of tape or hemp is gonna make you feel better just do it.
Class video mate love watching the RUclips Vids the snapchats and the instagrams your videos are really well explained and you make them funny aswell I’m an apprentice just coming into the world of plumbing your a big inspiration mate
Jason Kerr cheers dude!
Great video James, love the gledhill cylinders so installer friendly, all fittings supplied with ready made flange etc , really good bit of kit 👍 (agree they should relocate the cold inlet connection though!)
Amazing mate absolutely amazing! Can’t believe how much this helped me!
Spot on. Blokes a diamond. Great vids. Great help. Top man
you're such a role model,love ya man
I am addicted to your channel... I cant work out if you're annoying or funny... lets say funny! love your attention to detail! Hold tight!!
That was a nice picture left for the owner .... lol :-) well done again for the job.
Ha! Thanks man
When draining heating side on the tank the coil, whats the best way. Can you just drain from the drain off on the flow and return on cyclinder or better to drain from rad downstairs. They have radiators on top floor also boiler and tank in middle floor.
Hope you enjoy guys! Fun job to do and film....to be honest I wasn't planning to make a video but thought WHAT THE HECK! Probably loads of minor bits wrong but hey we're not all perfect! Follow on Insta here: www.plumberparts.co.uk/social.php?social=Instagram CHEERS!
I love your videos it's very intersting to learn new tips but mate your hot water connection which is feeding to the pump is quite close to the spur plz do mention if Iam wrong
I put it around my willy, but it didn't fit. In my defence it's very very cold today!
All your videos are full of detail good work 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Great video, loving the camera work. Top Job!
Thanks man!
Should we use horse hair instead of ptfe?
Does it also need to be used on the outlets connected to the hot water cylinder?
Hey up.. My copper cylinder has got a small leak at the bottom.. I've cut back the insulation from the pipe connections.. No leak there..
So am I right in thinking the cylinder is cracked.. So time for replace??
Definitely need to change mine. I think the coil is clogged as the boiler fires up briefly when the hot water is selected on the timer then dies back down to basic pilot light.
Doesn't help ALL the stopcocks are siezed 😫
Will a good efficient cylinder stop boiler quick cycling ?
Morning pal been working in a care home. They have had a new bath fitted but they say the hot tank is not big enough to run the bath the tank is 140 l .the bath takes 300 l .and the pressure is low would and pump sort this or do I need to put a bigger tank or can I just put another tank in next to it and tap in to the arignell one. ...Cheers Rob
Side entry Essex flange!! Surely.
Hello, thanks for the videos, always helpful and fun. I’m a fan of valves wherever you can fit them. I am going to change my water tank and move it but I notice you used good old copper rather than plastic. Is there a reason for that?
When you have a rodent infestation in your loft, then you’ll know why! 😜
Lovely work but why didn’t you changed out for an unvented, I pressurise most houses now once the old unvented cylinder goes out, obviously it’s not wise in older properties but definitely the way forward
cheers mate that's professional job
Really gud video mate once again brilliantly explained
Cheers Raz!
Thx for the video. Useful as always.
No worries Bry! Always happy to help out bro!
Hi James whee you are location? we really need help on our heating hot water situation.
like your vids keep em comming , i would of prefered the lever valve on the primary before the zone valve though ;) ...
jack ryan yeah same here. Between you and me the two port was holding back the in drained system!
Air vent on the bottom of the coil?
You are bending pipe. Is it hard drawn or soft copper pipe?
What is the make of the new tank, where can I get it?
Well I would like a sticker for my willy.
Nice video Jimmmmmmmy! Nice tips aswell! + how lucky you were with the pipes in same place ❤️
Dude that hot outlet was like "I'm buying a lottery ticket today....."
Good videos...what did you use to clean the pipes?
Top job lad.
enjoy the video.
I recently started putting the flow into the bottom of the coil and return out of the top. Unless its a solid fuel system. But the principle is you won't see a kettle with the element half way up.
Effective and efficient and heats more quickly.
Hold tight!
what brand of trousers do you wear
Can you move this from one place to another?
@5.45 doesn't an essex flange go in the side and a surrey flange in the top? great vid btw!
Yeah I had the start of flu in this video. That’s my excuse!
Haha! I'm learning! thanks for all your vids, I'm not sure if you got my FB message but thanks for the help on the radiator. All sorted now fitting a shower pump! Be good to have a video on that start to finish when you do it too.
so did you connect the cold feed pipe to the tank first, looks like its impossible to get to.
Yes mate. Which is why I want the manufacturers to have them round the front with everything else. 😎
I agree too, always puzzled about that!
nice work pal another who loves there valves like me. some of my work may look over the top but always try to fit stuff as if it was me coming back
What did your clean the pipes with to increase the longevity of the shiny finish??. It was abit unclear when you mentioned it on the vid
Thankss
Saboor Khan Brasso!
Is it common in the UK to put that compound on compression fittings? I don't use this and never have any leaks.
In theory you shouldnt need it on compression, but on jobs where it would be a pain to drain everything down for the sake of a small leak that wont tighten, or a joint thats in a really awkward blind spot, its worthwhile doing.
Also on pipe that has previously had a fitting removed and may be a little deformed, as in the cylinders top (vent ) outlet.
LOVE IT!!!!
Great video , how do you attach the stat to the tank ? Here in the U.S. they are inserted into a pre fitted dry well !
Cut a square in the insulation on side of cylinder and remove square. Stat is then held against bare copper of cylinder where insulation was removed. A slightly stretch strap is used to hold the stat tight against the copper. The electric immersion elements in these cylinders have thermostats inserted into a dry pocket.
Great content, keep up the work
Are lever valves better than gate valves....
I know from experience gate valves are notorious for locking up and the heads snapping off but aren't lever valves prone to leaking?
Which is best in your opinion and why?
Thanks
Good quality lever valves everytime!
I personally always use Pegler lever valves. After nearly 10 years they’re still working fine. They might be slightly stiff if they haven’t been used for a long time (maybe 5 ish years?). But once you free them up by turning it on/off they’re back to moving easily again. I hate those inline valves where you turn them on/off with a flat blade screwdriver. The amount of times they leak from the screw when you want to turn them off. Grrr... Absolute PITA!
"you had me at flange..."
how long did it actually take to finish the job?
About a day with all the draining down and the fact I had manflu!
thanks , glad you got over the deadly man flu :)
plumberparts did you charge the customer for the extra time because of the flu?
Can you just quickly explain again how you knew the coil was burst mate ?
You drain the heating and not the cylinder but the heating wouldn't stop draining ? Is that rite?
JT1985 yes mate!
Ive just brought them grips!!!! Lol
I thought watching this video that I’d impress my boss with shiny pipes . Actually he just fired me instead
Am going to Tenerife after Crimbo so I'll grab a T-shirt and send you a snap fro. My holi bpbs
Top man Mark!
I would like a sticker for my willy. Do you have any larger ones?
HAHA! For you only!
Nice vid, cheers. I think you mean "Essex flange", rather than "Surrey flange" though. Obviously Surrey is the county of the gods so I do understand you lowly Essex boys trying to claim our flangey glory. :D
Yeah you got me there! Although I'm about 5 miles from essex it does seep over the border a bit!
1000 views - no. 48 on trending - wtf?
Ewan France really?
Hi James, Looking for a similar job to be carried out. Would you be interested in the work not sure where abouts you are based? Could you drop me a Pm 👍
6.11.20. UK.Plumberparts.Utube. No.no.no. This character needs to sit down and decide what he is trtying to convey. He seems to be attempting to live in the world of a wkg class pluimber and media celebrity. If his intention is to teach novices then he needs to stop talking likie a machinr gun (but see note at bottom). If you do that to kids you will cause them MH issues. He should also stop trying to act as a clown. Plumbing,like automobile services is now a serious business. I would have thought that "Grahams" plumbing merchants would have more sense but not so. We wont be going there for parts.This clown missed ourt huge sections of what he was doing, howq dangerous is that. If the film was aimed at the profession then its curious cos anyone with that level of skill wont watch this. We of course realise this shallow kind of activity is now at epidemic levels due to the media influence. Its plainly obvious that Mr plumber has a media hand up his back and he is going along with it. Is he getting a handout. I reckon his controller is the typical media art graduate. We ought to know cos I spent over 20 yrs assoc with BBC TV.Radio. cent London Theater so I know how they function.It might be of interst to know that it was the BBC who told us this (re 1000pp evidence gathered Cent london knockin on doors). "Hide the evidence Abroad". We are at moment starting to change a 40 gall vented direct and indirect cyl which the horroific firm Sunuser Leeds (of course) installed wrong They failed to put washers on the eight ins and outs so they leaked but could not be seen cos of the jacket. The pipes are all stained green and some of the piping is done wrong.We now have huge holes in floor.The Leeds firm deny everything. The woman owner said this- "The Govt Prevent Us From Allowing you To Talk to any Engineer Here" The local MP wont reply but thats usual cos 26 wont reply re 30.000 avoid deaths in UK. Now will 24 Universities incl Leeds. We now wish to fit smaller cyl cos the one we have is far too big. The max hot water is about 20 Galls on a bad day. We are having great difficulty finding a cyl which would minimise the pipe disturbance. We reckon a size of about 26 to 32 galls but the height needs to be kept same as old if poss.The Ins and outs will number six but there are three hot out spigots.One on the dome and two at the side. The one on the dome (expansion pipe) is siamesed later on so the total services fed is in fact four all 22mm. The two side outletts have a curious vertical dog leg arrangement which is not just to align the pipes with holes in wall. whats that for? Is it some sort of protection for the element. By the way s -user glued the two elements in and we had to get the tank area almost red hot to shift one. even then it took a 3ft scaffold plole on the tool. To get the other elkement out we hade to cut hole in wall cos at the time we did not envisage change of tank. Who made these tanks? Thats not all, we cannot find any build trade who are not con artists. One firm who came here is putting an amount ast bottom of invoice thast they say is a bribe. We are living in poverty having been tricked by two teachers who doid cover ups re this house. One of them an "engineer". We were quoted £100 pounds an hour for tidying a five ftx 30 ft hedge.thats a weekly wage of around £4000 . I was very ill for 7 yrs screaming in agony every nite. Could get no help and was turned away by Hosps. no one in --politics.law-- or medicine will reply incl M Hacock (NHS) at his cottage in fornham Suffolk. No Local govt org will reply and no council. All this was going on before the virus. The local council say this- "If Theres Anything wrong with Local Govt The public Have To Go get a lawyer. We are experiencing violent Police attacks. They are saying they have been told to gagg us by the HM religion and Local govt systems. They also stated they dont read evidence. This is a mirror image of Germany 1933 where the universities and house wives and Students were ardent supporters. WE realise Mr Plumber was ill and his face us showing massive stress signs.That could be why he talks so fast so, slowing down would help his health. We are experts at CTM.Ayurveda etc because we had to do rthat because of no help. We hope Mr plumber can make use of this cos we stand a 30% chance with working class and half percent with middle class.Theres more bt we are worn out. Best wishes to any genuine people.Mr plumber does his work properly and po,.lishing pipes is rare. Not Spell Checked.
tbf i think my soldering is better lol
My Next door neighbor has had the lurgy and her name is Olive , go figure.
Could you just explain how a hot water cylinder works ? I want to have a hot shower
Fuck the pre amble. Just get on with it.
What an idiotic cylinder design by incompetents 😂
Didn't the previous plumbers have a clue for a simple unvented system like in most advanced countries?
6.11.20. UK.Plumberparts.Utube. No.no.no. This character needs to sit down and decide what he is trtying to convey. He seems to be attempting to live in the world of a wkg class pluimber and media celebrity. If his intention is to teach novices then he needs to stop talking likie a machinr gun (but see note at bottom). If you do that to kids you will cause them MH issues. He should also stop trying to act as a clown. Plumbing,like automobile services is now a serious business. I would have thought that "Grahams" plumbing merchants would have more sense but not so. We wont be going there for parts.This clown missed ourt huge sections of what he was doing, howq dangerous is that. If the film was aimed at the profession then its curious cos anyone with that level of skill wont watch this. We of course realise this shallow kind of activity is now at epidemic levels due to the media influence. Its plainly obvious that Mr plumber has a media hand up his back and he is going along with it. Is he getting a handout. I reckon his controller is the typical media art graduate. We ought to know cos I spent over 20 yrs assoc with BBC TV.Radio. cent London Theater so I know how they function.It might be of interst to know that it was the BBC who told us this (re 1000pp evidence gathered Cent london knockin on doors). "Hide the evidence Abroad". We are at moment starting to change a 40 gall vented direct and indirect cyl which the horroific firm Sunuser Leeds (of course) installed wrong They failed to put washers on the eight ins and outs so they leaked but could not be seen cos of the jacket. The pipes are all stained green and some of the piping is done wrong.We now have huge holes in floor.The Leeds firm deny everything. The woman owner said this- "The Govt Prevent Us From Allowing you To Talk to any Engineer Here" The local MP wont reply but thats usual cos 26 wont reply re 30.000 avoid deaths in UK. Now will 24 Universities incl Leeds. We now wish to fit smaller cyl cos the one we have is far too big. The max hot water is about 20 Galls on a bad day. We are having great difficulty finding a cyl which would minimise the pipe disturbance. We reckon a size of about 26 to 32 galls but the height needs to be kept same as old if poss.The Ins and outs will number six but there are three hot out spigots.One on the dome and two at the side. The one on the dome (expansion pipe) is siamesed later on so the total services fed is in fact four all 22mm. The two side outletts have a curious vertical dog leg arrangement which is not just to align the pipes with holes in wall. whats that for? Is it some sort of protection for the element. By the way s -user glued the two elements in and we had to get the tank area almost red hot to shift one. even then it took a 3ft scaffold plole on the tool. To get the other elkement out we hade to cut hole in wall cos at the time we did not envisage change of tank. Who made these tanks? Thats not all, we cannot find any build trade who are not con artists. One firm who came here is putting an amount ast bottom of invoice thast they say is a bribe. We are living in poverty having been tricked by two teachers who doid cover ups re this house. One of them an "engineer". We were quoted £100 pounds an hour for tidying a five ftx 30 ft hedge.thats a weekly wage of around £4000 . I was very ill for 7 yrs screaming in agony every nite. Could get no help and was turned away by Hosps. no one in --politics.law-- or medicine will reply incl M Hacock (NHS) at his cottage in fornham Suffolk. No Local govt org will reply and no council. All this was going on before the virus. The local council say this- "If Theres Anything wrong with Local Govt The public Have To Go get a lawyer. We are experiencing violent Police attacks. They are saying they have been told to gagg us by the HM religion and Local govt systems. They also stated they dont read evidence. This is a mirror image of Germany 1933 where the universities and house wives and Students were ardent supporters. WE realise Mr Plumber was ill and his face us showing massive stress signs.That could be why he talks so fast so, slowing down would help his health. We are experts at CTM.Ayurveda etc because we had to do rthat because of no help. We hope Mr plumber can make use of this cos we stand a 30% chance with working class and half percent with middle class.Theres more bt we are worn out. Best wishes to any genuine people.Mr plumber does his work properly and po,.lishing pipes is rare. Not Spell Checked.
That "tank" is a cylinder. Get your terminology correct if you are going to pretend to be professional.
Wasteman