I started shooting R8 in 1977 at age 14 when I repaired my father’s Argus Cinemax 8EE. At the time, they made Kodachrome 25 for Daylight, and Kodachrome 40 (Tungsten) which of course could be shot at 25 with an 85 filter. The color on all my films is still beautiful…if only they hadn’t killed Kodachrome.
My maternal grandfather had this very camera model. I will be inheriting his and hopefully it’s in good enough shape to shoot at least 1 roll of Double 8.
8mm is a very nice format with some advantages over super 8. its a little more economical compared to S8, the majority of cameras are mechanical and cheap! One can shoot 100ft rolls on a Bolex H8 which is also possible to upgrade to double super 8 for even more value. Probably the best format to shoot an amateur film on, between 8mm and super 8 if youre getting a lab scan at 2k or 4k I'd say the grain and resolution are about the same considering theyre slightly different sizes
Actually I was impressed overall with the results. It reminds me of the look you get when shooting with the Fisher Price video camera using audio cassette tape.
@@Filmboy24 my hat is off to you. I bought my son one of those cameras (maybe that’s what started his film career) back in 1987, but i couldn’t remember what they were called.
For me ive shot loads on kodachrome and the trick is to do it in very bright areas (bright and sunny) and with the aperture all the way open (typically 8fps is the target but 16 also works but youll need alot of light) I have also gotten loads more contrast reversal developing with HC110 and its really a 75% chance youll get it perfectly exposed
The only appropriate f/stop for expired Kodachrome is f/0.0 and to my knowledge a lens that speed hasn’t been made yet. I wonder how the Zeiss lens would do at f/0.33? Or the Cosina Voltgoger at f/0.8 or the f/0.7 that was used to shoot the movie Barry Lyndon? I think that was a Zeiss lens too?
Despite the age/fogging, the grain is pretty decent. I'm 61 and I'm not in that good shape!!! 🤣 But a great experiment! Did you set the camera lenses at infinity or the hyperfocal distance?
Thank you,! You're not old, you've just been young a few years longer than some 😃. I did not set the lenses to infinity, as they were open too wide to be effective. I pretty much guessed at focus distance for the whole thing.
Hello, how do you remove the yellow colloidal filter that is available on Kodachrome films? Are you using the formula from the Kodak technical bulletin or are you modifying it?
Hey there, I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but I simply process old Kodachrome as a B&W negative. The original (K11, K12 & K14) color process is long gone. There is a black remjet layer on all Kodachrome and it can be a pain to remove, but I have a pretty decent system for it now.
When I do Kodachrome as reversal the yellow colour goes away after bleaching and second development. It's probably the acetic acid and peroxide bleach that does it.
I've read about someone reverse engineering kodachrome color development but I'm not sure if it's a hoax or what because they never released the details. I've never seen a youtube video about that process
There have been a couple of people that have gotten some color out of Kodachrome film recently. I've seen some of the results myself and they're quite impressive. The color didn't look anything like the old Kodachrome, more like modern stocks, but still pretty impressive.
That Bolex camera is such a cool little camera
I love these little cameras!
I started shooting R8 in 1977 at age 14 when I repaired my father’s Argus Cinemax 8EE. At the time, they made Kodachrome 25 for Daylight, and Kodachrome 40 (Tungsten) which of course could be shot at 25 with an 85 filter. The color on all my films is still beautiful…if only they hadn’t killed Kodachrome.
Kodachrome was truly the best small format color film ever!
It takes a brave person to shoot while driving. It takes an even braver person to shoot K II. Doing both at 24fps... you are a madman!
@@ZeroBudgetFilmSchool when I first started shooting movie film this was pretty much all I ever shot.
@@tobinsphotovideo Expired or fresh?
@@ZeroBudgetFilmSchool I used so many varieties back then I think it was both..
😂😂 You sure "brave" is the right word?
Great video Mike, Always fascinating to see all the different films and great information! Thanks for sharing! Hope to see you on Sunday!
Thanks, as always, Jeffrey!!
As an aside… your opening greeting would make a good T-shirt.
Thanks, Mark!
Great video, REGULAR 8 is the COOLEST ! ! !
Thanks Mike ! ! !
Thanks so much, Cecil!
really enjoyed this, thank you so much for all that you do!
Thanks so much, Elliott!!
Mike, I swear you REALLY make it VERY very tempting for me to abandon my 16mm dreams and just go into Regular 8 x3
Shoot a roll, Mike, such a fun film gauge!
My maternal grandfather had this very camera model. I will be inheriting his and hopefully it’s in good enough shape to shoot at least 1 roll of Double 8.
These are great little cameras, have fun with it!!
8mm is a very nice format with some advantages over super 8. its a little more economical compared to S8, the majority of cameras are mechanical and cheap! One can shoot 100ft rolls on a Bolex H8 which is also possible to upgrade to double super 8 for even more value. Probably the best format to shoot an amateur film on, between 8mm and super 8 if youre getting a lab scan at 2k or 4k I'd say the grain and resolution are about the same considering theyre slightly different sizes
Absolutely right! There are quite a few advantages to using R8 over Super 8. I think most people are scared to get started in 8mm for some reason.
Actually I was impressed overall with the results. It reminds me of the look you get when shooting with the Fisher Price video camera using audio cassette tape.
Mmmmm, the Pixelvision PXL-2000, really cool cameras!
@@Filmboy24 my hat is off to you. I bought my son one of those cameras (maybe that’s what started his film career) back in 1987, but i couldn’t remember what they were called.
I have my Bolex B 8L loaded with some Cine-Kodak Super-X I got off eBay for $5 Dev before March 1955....
I think you're going to be surprised at how well that film stock has held up over the years. Best of luck with it!
thanks for the tip. There's really a lot in ebay, but really looks quite in bad shape by now. Only useful at best for trials
My pleasure! Yes, please don't spend much at all on it. Great for practicing though.
Ah, fixing all those 50 year old gnarly splices on 8mm rolls... 😄
Fun! 😅
I have got three of these types of movie cameras. Just not willing to go through struggle with movie film.
For me ive shot loads on kodachrome and the trick is to do it in very bright areas (bright and sunny) and with the aperture all the way open (typically 8fps is the target but 16 also works but youll need alot of light)
I have also gotten loads more contrast reversal developing with HC110 and its really a 75% chance youll get it perfectly exposed
Absolutely!! In hindsight, I probably should have stuck to 16 FPS but I really wanted to test my favorite filming speed.
@@entity9742 so it pretty much just needs to be hand cranked?
@tobinsphotovideo i wouldn't say hand cranked just needs alot of light
It’s 6:04 am in Southern Arizona- I’m getting ready to drive 3 hrs, to go buy an EIKI 16mm and a Super 8 projector.
EIKI 16mm projectors are really nice. Wish I own one of these.
Love EIKI 16mm projectors!!
@@Filmboy24 the super 8 is an Elmo
The only appropriate f/stop for expired Kodachrome is f/0.0 and to my knowledge a lens that speed hasn’t been made yet. I wonder how the Zeiss lens would do at f/0.33? Or the Cosina Voltgoger at f/0.8 or the f/0.7 that was used to shoot the movie Barry Lyndon? I think that was a Zeiss lens too?
Maybe we could just remove the lens altogether and replace it with a clear piece of glass 🤣
@@Filmboy24 that’s actually a really good idea hmmm 🧐
Guess you could use modern 16 mm film stock if you put the extra hole in it on a double 8 mm camera
Absolutely. I wish I could perforate it 🙂
Despite the age/fogging, the grain is pretty decent. I'm 61 and I'm not in that good shape!!! 🤣 But a great experiment! Did you set the camera lenses at infinity or the hyperfocal distance?
Thank you,! You're not old, you've just been young a few years longer than some 😃. I did not set the lenses to infinity, as they were open too wide to be effective. I pretty much guessed at focus distance for the whole thing.
Kodachrome from 1932-2009 was “Don’t take my Kodachrome away.”
*gets taken away*
Kodachrome from 2009-present is now “neeeeid mor graaaaaain!”
😂😂😂
Hello,
how do you remove the yellow colloidal filter that is available on Kodachrome films? Are you using the formula from the Kodak technical bulletin or are you modifying it?
Hey there, I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but I simply process old Kodachrome as a B&W negative. The original (K11, K12 & K14) color process is long gone. There is a black remjet layer on all Kodachrome and it can be a pain to remove, but I have a pretty decent system for it now.
When I do Kodachrome as reversal the yellow colour goes away after bleaching and second development. It's probably the acetic acid and peroxide bleach that does it.
@@ZeroBudgetFilmSchool 🧐 interesting
Is there a type of film and place where I can buy double 8 and get it developed that actually looks decent?
Take a look at the Film Photography Project (FPP). They sell new 8mm film, along with processing and scanning.
i have the D8l but im too chicken to shoot anything.
C'mon, you got this!!!
I've read about someone reverse engineering kodachrome color development but I'm not sure if it's a hoax or what because they never released the details. I've never seen a youtube video about that process
There have been a couple of people that have gotten some color out of Kodachrome film recently. I've seen some of the results myself and they're quite impressive. The color didn't look anything like the old Kodachrome, more like modern stocks, but still pretty impressive.