An advice from Xiao's player how to dealwith Hypnotist mixup: 1) In most cases it is launch-punishable for both option. Hopkick or Orbital will evade the low, while SSL evade the mid. It's 50/50 but you need to respect it on block and guess only after ff4 or heatsmash. 2) If you block any of her strings into Hypnostist, you can interrupt all her moves with 13fr mid kick (if she did f21 Hypno) or 15fr for any other string she has. 3) If doesn't do her mix immideately, you always can interrupt her with mid kick. Better to use kicks against Hypno cause she has a punch parry in this stance. And better to use mid kicks cause her mixup optio has high evasion. 4) If she is in heat and go into the backturn stance, try to SSL and duck. Her heatsmash and most of her backturn option don't track that way.
Ayo this is good advice, thank you! It's so hard for me to find Xiaoyu players to train with, cuz most of who I play against are toxic ki-charging people that leave if they lose. So advice like this is gold. Much appreciated!
Dont give advices to haters, let them learn on their own and suffer if they dont as we all have to suffer their crazy spam with ki charge ending if randomly succeded. Ive thougth of writing just that sometimes but its not worth it. Thanks for the intention and you r rigth but i would delete your comment for the sake of justice. 😓
@@engr4051 Respectfully, the tier list has nothing to do with this topic. This conversation is about why it's annoying for people to play against Xiaoyu, not her percieved strength. But yes, according to a lot of people, she is very high up in the tier list due to her huge damage and more forced 50/50s than other characters on top of the best evasion in the game. Used to be that she has the best evasion in the game and a setup monster to keep launching you. Now she is still that AND she has so much damage now and she also became a 50/50 specialist. You can't have everything.
No, mids work. It's very hard to time AOP correctly to dodge mid. You get it only only at high level gameplay. It's because this character is designed to counter masher. Which is 90% of Tekken players. People don't respect frames or turn in Tekken unless you are high rank. People just mash the hell out of their controller. Ling is the character that can steal turns if you mash.
I don't quite get what you'are saying... but i would complain about zafina more then xiaoyu because she always gets free wins from me because i am just clueless in the matchup ^^
Zafina can only evade like xiayou from tarantula. Tarantula is a shit stance since you can side walk to the left and u evade LITERALLY every option. Every fking option. Ah what can xiayou do from her aop stance? Everything. Btw its not only the evasion its the broken throw game, its hypnotis mixup, its the stupid damage, the panic buttons etc. The character breaks every tekken rule
I don’t hate ling . King mains work hard for what they get. I’m So tired of people complaining about the uniqueness of each character especially ling and Yoshi. Why can’t you just appreciate these players craft of the character
Because the character is just poorly made and incredibly cheesy and it’s been this way since tekken 3. She’s simply not fun to fight, even as someone who knows how to beat her and all her cheesy bs, it’s still not fun nor satisfying. Ling players don’t work hard either she isn’t a hard character to pick up whatsoever
You know whats bullshit. The fact that her backturn heatsmash not only already does a good chunk of damage on hit... But you're STILL FORCED to take a mixup. Something that should only happen on block. But NAH you get a double whammy of a shit ton of damage and having to guess.
Who hates her... i mean she can be difficult to handle - but there are about 5 of them. All this negativity in the tekken community is really unnerving.
because Ling players and other players in general that crutch on knowledge checks will either ki charge one & done on a win or plug right before they lose if you do know the matchup
She is difficultl it's like saying Yoshi is difficult a character being complicated is much easier then playing a honest character without bs evasion and knowledge checks she also just has straight up BS like hypnotist stance mix up is beyond stupid
I normally don't respond to comments like this, but my man, it is ok to hate a character in Tekken. Everyone paid for the game and they are not obligated to like everything the game does. A lot of people think she is very annoying to fight and that's ok, And I think you are putting way too much weight in the opinions of others if it really bothers you that much that people don't like a character. I honestly think there is more of an issue with people hating on people hating in Tekken.
But all jokes aside Xiaoyu is so rewarding to learn .You can continuously be in practice mode learning new stuff with her every time you get on the game. Also the veteran Xiaoyu community is very helpful for new players like me. They always give me tips to improve which just makes me want to continue playing the character and the game.
Youre missing the point of the video. Yes, the reward of learning her is that you don't get to play the same game the entire community is playing. I still haven't met a Xiaoyu in ranked that displays basic tekken fundamentals and don't just go into a knowledge check flow chart. You guys have the luxury of playing a character that's objectively better than the entire roster and it's like the videos title....annoying.
The broken backturn heat smash that leads to yet another 50/50, the hypnotist stance 50/50 with an unreactable snake edge that launches which isnt even launch punishable, and the insane mid that is plus, deals a lot of damage and wall splats, or the crazy amount of damage she can get despite having fantastic evasion and setups, and the LAUNCHING THROW which she can also make homing which she can cancel into yet ANOTHER MIXUP definitely has a lot to do with it
To be fair, HYP mixup is only disgusting in Heat when she has to take only one step in the stance to launch with the low and the mid launches with the dash. Outside of Heat it is not that scary as the low only launches after 2 steps.
Playing as her is actually pretty fun, it's just kind of tough because she's such a specialist. That said, I think that anybody who really dislikes her should try playing her for a couple of days, it will make the matchup more fun later, it dispels a lot of the mysticism behind her. Love the new like And subscribe bit by the way, much more professional sounding
I only managed to figure out Alisa recently after hitting her with a mid. Then I realised I need to use my keep-out options and wait for her to go into ANY of her stances or slow moves.
The difficulty of using her effectively makes her a far less frequent opponent online and then it still might be a relatively easy fight. If it’s not and the opponent knows what they’re doing, it still can be pretty fun, she’s kinda like Lee in this regard. So she’s very far from being “the most hated” spot - there are Hworangs, Dragunovs, Kings, Jins, Larses, Victors and Kazuyas to contend with 🤷♂️
Nice video, good assessment. 👌🏻 One thing for correction: she doesn't have a complete throw game, she lacks a 2-break command throw, only has a 1-break, similar to Jun.
Dang I didn't know she was that popular. I main her just because I like her style. She's a total badass. She was pretty weak in t7 so it's nice that she's got more offense than ever
I’ve mained her since T5 and the sole reason for that is because her bracelets glow and created streaks of light when she moves. Oh, and also the bear costume
@@NKSheilaEverly Xiaoyu very popular character just not online cuz many people don’t play stance characters that’s why her and Zafina always on bottom with gameplay but I love Xiaoyu she my favorite character and so fun to play as
@@JobeLovo Nah I like the challenge, Xiayou is a novel character. Jin on the other hand is just constant, easy to play and overpowered. He's strong and boring and annoyingly similar to 4 other overplayed characters which feels like it's reducing my experience to nothing but mishimas.
@Sloppyjoey1 I wish I had your experience I don't see enough Mishimas Mishimas are by far the most fun to play against Xiao is for me one of the most miserable characters to play against besides bears and she's fairly common , I'd even argue that xiaoyo is just as easy as jin but with more knowledge checks and less common witch makes her even harder to play against
I ain’t even watch this video. All I have to say is, I was a Kishin Jin on a 7 win streak, and fought and lost a set to Ling. Completely discouraged by her AOP crushing my mids, I then lost like 8 fights row, demoting me back down to battle ruler. I ain’t been on Ranked or Jin in 3 days since then!
@@giovannidykes6158 Jin is annoying asf and hella spammy, 10x more so than Xiaoyu. If you don't believe me, try to play Xiaoyu yourself and see how far you get.
Many complaining about AOP and her stances but got something to tell ya *shocker* her stances are unblock able so you see her go in stance or knows she finna go into stance just hit her if you know her tools and study the opponents she fairly easy to beat and space her because her range sucks people who complains don’t review their replays I see
When i did get my first Playstation, there was a demo of Tekken3 with it. I could play only as Eddy or Xiaoyu and only against them plus Paul and Lei. Since my friends were crazy about playing Eddy all the time, I gone all for Ling and she became my main for good. So i keep maining her in Tekken8. But ngl, I agree with almost every single point you made xD
I can solve this really quick as a ling main and I'm sure my yoshis and leis will take the same side. It's because Lings, Yoshis and Leis do not play for the glory, but for the party - and nothing pisses a sweat off more than someone having fun
I’m surprised there’s a video about hating Xiaoyu when there are characters in the game much worse 0_0. Although she has broken stuff. I personally don’t get annoyed by her as much. I’m more so annoyed at all the Kings, Kumas, Jins and Ninas flooding the ranks right now.
I hate ling too but more people just need to learn their anti AOP move and just learn "anti ling " gameplay as opposed to running your standard offense.
I’d rather deal with Xiaoyu than Yoshi tbh, I’d rather take a 50/50 and have a chance of guessing right than to take a low/high unblockable bs at the wall
she was the second character i played with since i was looking for a new main (julia, my dear friend, i miss you everyday.) and i can read her like a fucking book. so glad i dont have a problem with the matchup lol
Xiayou has always been annoying, and I can 100% accept that. However giving her the ridiculous damage, forced 50/50s in heat and stupid plus frames is unacceptable. Zafina and Paul are mixup characters. Zafina gets no good oki, laughable damage and nothing remarkable at a wall. Paul's mixups come at great risk. Almost all his best options are launch punishable. Xiayou and Feng are stupidly overturned.
If only there was a way to know my incoming opponent before the mstch loading screen, i would deny playing against Xiaoyu, Asuka, Yoshi, Victor, Leroy for the rest of my life.
As a Xiaoyu main, I couldn't consider her as a spammy character, as in like spamming attack moves over and over again. I consider her to be a character that requires a bit of strategy when spamming her evasive moves. But to me she's not spammy like Hwoarang and Eddy. She's a strategic evasion-based character 🧡
2:47. No true. U3+4 and D3+4 are strictly worse than normal SS. They are used to distract, not to avoid. The real evasion is in her backturned stance, which sneakily make her SSs movement much better, and in her SSR into phoenix stance, wich almost doubles the initial right side evasion.
As a Ling Main and Serial Defender. I agree Ling hyp stance needs to be nerfed. Maybe make the Low Launch punishable. I wish people would speak about Ling's weakness rather then her strengths. Since her Weakness is the most important aspect to Tekken to some extent. This was great video 6:00-7:00 is all we ling mains want to hear! WE KNOW SHES GREAT, but IT TAKES TIME TO BE GREAT Unlike Dragonov.
@@shaghilathar3588 Having nothing to skip neutral / bad range matters alot, but all her other strengths are of course good and fill that weakness to some regard.
Am i the only one who doesnt seem to find Ling annoying but actually finds her cute? I mean im pretty chill about this character and idrc about her spamming the fck out of my bryan. 😭
As a Steve main i barely can do anything with her moves even when i know what she's going to do. Even just finding an option that is going to counter her moves is a bitch. One of the most frustrating characters to deal with. Good thing I don't see her often on my blue ranks.
As both a blue rank Steve and Xiaoyu main, my win rate vs Xiaoyu's is near 75%. Run your offense and get in their head, shut everything down before it begins. Abuse Steve's poking, I Sonic Fang everytime i see AOP, UF2 her lows if you get a good read. Most of the time they get frustrated and it works well for my Steve.
Man im a Jack main and she is not the most annoying and don't mind going against her there are far more annoying characters top five for me is Steve,Hworang,Law,lily and Nina
Yeah this is a good assessment. Though i feel like it's misleading when people say level 3 HYP 3 is a snake edge. Even in heat she has to take two steps, which is like 100 frames. Additionally, there are frames where she can't attack during hyp, so people who are knowledgeable about the match up can recognize the time she's defenseless during the transition of hype step 1-2. Even after heat smash, the opponent can react to her taking 2 steps. the only legitimate way to way to set up level 3 HYP 3 are certain oki situations, and most savvy players stay in the ground and take the grounded hit rather than guess during the 50/50. I'm not saying this to make excuses for the character, she's very strong and explosive! It also just takes longer to learn the matchup against her.
I haven't even seen your video yet and I can already tell it's probably AoP. BTW Ling has been hated since here debut and I love how AoP is still messed up and frustrating as all hell to deal with.
Xiaoyu was the character I was most looking forward to learning in Tekken 8 since Julia wasnt in the launch roster but I started with Asuka since I was daunted by the reputation of Xiaoyu and while Asuka was fun that didnt last. I've since swapped to Xiaoyu and wished I did it sooner.
bro love your videos, I don't play tekken but big fan of the franchise. You making scripted videos about things related to the video game, that makes the general audience understand the game and what is happening in a cool manner is just amazing
@@berkaykilic5883 zafina can block in mantis stance I believe. Azucena has autoparry in libertador. Every character breaks rules in some way. Point is, aop would be useless and have to be reworked completely if it didn't crush mids.
@@Rius9106 she can leave the stance quick and block it. She cant block it meanwhile and mantis stance doesnt evade as stupid as aop not even close. And the option she has from mantis not even close as strong as xiayous bullshit. Lets not talk about hypnotist stance mixup and her broken throw game
@@berkaykilic5883 good luck blocking like that on reaction, won't happen. Crushing property is what makes aop viable, without it there would be no point in using it. Don't forget zafina has tarantula too, with even more crushing properties compared to mantis. Hyp and launching throw are annoying, I get it. You just have to lab some stuff and you'll see.
Having your deep low hitting mids and fast lows at the ready, while sparingly using highs using a defensive mindset works wonders in this match up. Oh, and don’t mash the tech roll or you be launched.
Yeah unless your character doesn't have those - then this becomes the most bullshite matchup in the game. It is ridiculous that she can instantly evade + launch df1 and df2 while being negative
Sorry everybody Xiaoyu is 100 % fair she just is. I mean it's not like I rob people every single day with this character while also being trash at the game. So everyone get like Knee and just learn the match up period.
UHH that logics almost applies to every character, you HAVE to lab. Hwoa, Steve, Nina, King, Jin, they have those gimmicky stuff that you'd lose easily if you don't know them @@tomkycz3243
@@ItsKrisAoki Learning match up won't magically remove the reasons why people hate her. All what the match up knowledge will do is that you will know proper punishment and what her attacks do. That doesn't change the fact that you still will be forced into 50/50, you still will hear her stupid voice and your mids will still go over her. Learning the match up won't change the reasons why you hate her.
Think Show You, like shower or shout. Not correct, but more correct than the pronunciation used here. The 'x' makes a sound similar but not identical to the 'sh' sound in English. 👍
So, everyone hates Xiaoyu because you practiced with King, Bryan, Dragunov, Jin, and Kazuya, ignoring Xiaoyu, thinking she was "meh." But now, some Xiaoyu players are kicking y’all’s asses!
Can you do Lili? People say she extremely easy and S tier character but She hardcore nerfed and she has only 6 7 safe moves. Her moves can be sidesteppable in both ways. She has best sidestep but tekken 8 and dlc characters has a lot homing safe mids
Most hate goes for stuff like double roll launcher from BT. That move is -15 so she's supposed to die for it. But you have to be frame perfect for that punish otherwise you eat the combo for attempting the correct punish. It's ridiculous. Online Tekken is like that.
If you're trying to punish her with a 15f, you're doing it wrong. The Roo Kick from the Cali Roll is only -11 on block. You can jab punish her for it if you do it fast enough and some characters have very damaging strings that start with a regular jab. If you're trying to use anything slower, you're giving her a chance to parry you or even do another roo kick which will likely go under your move and launch you.
@@kung_fucius2311 I checked. You're right. I guess my memory decieved me because for my character -11 still launch in the back. That is if you can nail it. That actually makes more sense now and enforces my point online hitting her with jab strings in the back is inconsistent and thus very risky.
@@kung_fucius2311 maybe the issue is not even online. The animation/interaction is messed up. You have to input a punish during the block stun animation basically cancelling it. That's why that attack gets you every time. So it's not as much the characters fault as much the devs.
Yeah a jab string or anything 11f or less will work, but with her at -11, you have to get that punish in on frame 1. (Context: I'm a Ling main and many of my local FGC mates labbed this matchup and blow me up after blocking the Roo Kick.)
I’ve try to like her and still I don’t. And you’re right! She is incredibly annoying and overrated just like her hostile fans. I would pick another female main over her any time. I doubt her popularity and I believe majority Tekken fans will never even play her. Great info btw! 😊
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Xiaoyu, cute as a button but hits like a truck
An advice from Xiao's player how to dealwith Hypnotist mixup:
1) In most cases it is launch-punishable for both option. Hopkick or Orbital will evade the low, while SSL evade the mid. It's 50/50 but you need to respect it on block and guess only after ff4 or heatsmash.
2) If you block any of her strings into Hypnostist, you can interrupt all her moves with 13fr mid kick (if she did f21 Hypno) or 15fr for any other string she has.
3) If doesn't do her mix immideately, you always can interrupt her with mid kick. Better to use kicks against Hypno cause she has a punch parry in this stance. And better to use mid kicks cause her mixup optio has high evasion.
4) If she is in heat and go into the backturn stance, try to SSL and duck. Her heatsmash and most of her backturn option don't track that way.
Ayo this is good advice, thank you! It's so hard for me to find Xiaoyu players to train with, cuz most of who I play against are toxic ki-charging people that leave if they lose.
So advice like this is gold. Much appreciated!
Dont give advices to haters, let them learn on their own and suffer if they dont as we all have to suffer their crazy spam with ki charge ending if randomly succeded. Ive thougth of writing just that sometimes but its not worth it. Thanks for the intention and you r rigth but i would delete your comment for the sake of justice. 😓
It's not SSL. It tracks to both sides. The mid from hypnotist I mean
@@shaghilathar3588 It doesnt.
@@DannyBob08 It does, lab it. You're so minus you can't actually step it
Save you 8 minutes. It’s because mids do not work on this character and haven’t since tekken 3.
Lows also don't work on this character.
With this, I guess she must be top 1 in the tier list, right? Or no?
@@engr4051 Respectfully, the tier list has nothing to do with this topic. This conversation is about why it's annoying for people to play against Xiaoyu, not her percieved strength.
But yes, according to a lot of people, she is very high up in the tier list due to her huge damage and more forced 50/50s than other characters on top of the best evasion in the game. Used to be that she has the best evasion in the game and a setup monster to keep launching you. Now she is still that AND she has so much damage now and she also became a 50/50 specialist. You can't have everything.
No, mids work. It's very hard to time AOP correctly to dodge mid. You get it only only at high level gameplay. It's because this character is designed to counter masher. Which is 90% of Tekken players. People don't respect frames or turn in Tekken unless you are high rank. People just mash the hell out of their controller. Ling is the character that can steal turns if you mash.
Stop the Bs @@alosyus
As a Xiaoyu main, I say this all the time: Zafina gets just as low, if now lower than phoenix, and people will STILL complain about her
I don't quite get what you'are saying... but i would complain about zafina more then xiaoyu because she always gets free wins from me because i am just clueless in the matchup ^^
Zafina can only evade like xiayou from tarantula. Tarantula is a shit stance since you can side walk to the left and u evade LITERALLY every option. Every fking option. Ah what can xiayou do from her aop stance? Everything. Btw its not only the evasion its the broken throw game, its hypnotis mixup, its the stupid damage, the panic buttons etc. The character breaks every tekken rule
It seems everyone hates every Tekken character for some reason. This series should be titled why everyone hates every Tekken character. 😂
I don’t hate ling . King mains work hard for what they get. I’m
So tired of people complaining about the uniqueness of each character especially ling and Yoshi.
Why can’t you just appreciate these players craft of the character
Because they are both broken
Because the character is just poorly made and incredibly cheesy and it’s been this way since tekken 3. She’s simply not fun to fight, even as someone who knows how to beat her and all her cheesy bs, it’s still not fun nor satisfying. Ling players don’t work hard either she isn’t a hard character to pick up whatsoever
You know whats bullshit. The fact that her backturn heatsmash not only already does a good chunk of damage on hit... But you're STILL FORCED to take a mixup. Something that should only happen on block. But NAH you get a double whammy of a shit ton of damage and having to guess.
Yeah her heat is crazy. She has such good evasion, no need for those mixups
Her heat smash is the only thing that's saving her from being bottom tier
Go Ling Nation ! 🤚 😅 😆
Who hates her... i mean she can be difficult to handle - but there are about 5 of them. All this negativity in the tekken community is really unnerving.
El problemo?
because Ling players and other players in general that crutch on knowledge checks will either ki charge one & done on a win or plug right before they lose if you do know the matchup
She is difficultl it's like saying Yoshi is difficult a character being complicated is much easier then playing a honest character without bs evasion and knowledge checks she also just has straight up BS like hypnotist stance mix up is beyond stupid
I hate her.
I normally don't respond to comments like this, but my man, it is ok to hate a character in Tekken. Everyone paid for the game and they are not obligated to like everything the game does. A lot of people think she is very annoying to fight and that's ok, And I think you are putting way too much weight in the opinions of others if it really bothers you that much that people don't like a character. I honestly think there is more of an issue with people hating on people hating in Tekken.
Love these type of videos keep them coming
Xiaoyu is such a lovable character there is actually nothing to hate about her.
But haters will exist.
Everything about her is extremely annoying, almost like it's designed to frustrate the opponent
Best girl
But all jokes aside Xiaoyu is so rewarding to learn .You can continuously be in practice mode learning new stuff with her every time you get on the game.
Also the veteran Xiaoyu community is very helpful for new players like me. They always give me tips to improve which just makes me want to continue playing the character and the game.
Youre missing the point of the video. Yes, the reward of learning her is that you don't get to play the same game the entire community is playing. I still haven't met a Xiaoyu in ranked that displays basic tekken fundamentals and don't just go into a knowledge check flow chart. You guys have the luxury of playing a character that's objectively better than the entire roster and it's like the videos title....annoying.
The broken backturn heat smash that leads to yet another 50/50, the hypnotist stance 50/50 with an unreactable snake edge that launches which isnt even launch punishable, and the insane mid that is plus, deals a lot of damage and wall splats, or the crazy amount of damage she can get despite having fantastic evasion and setups, and the LAUNCHING THROW which she can also make homing which she can cancel into yet ANOTHER MIXUP definitely has a lot to do with it
To be fair, HYP mixup is only disgusting in Heat when she has to take only one step in the stance to launch with the low and the mid launches with the dash.
Outside of Heat it is not that scary as the low only launches after 2 steps.
If Xiaoyu is in heat and in backturn, try SWL. Her heatsmash doesn't track that way. Most common setup - db2 heatsmash allow you to SW.
@@thomasschmidt1452 Whats SWL?
@@2muchReality7ven Side Walk Left
@@thomasschmidt1452 Thank you.
I think bro is just running out of stuff to yap about….she isn’t even that hated compared to other characters rn.
She's hated beyond just T8
Playing as her is actually pretty fun, it's just kind of tough because she's such a specialist. That said, I think that anybody who really dislikes her should try playing her for a couple of days, it will make the matchup more fun later, it dispels a lot of the mysticism behind her.
Love the new like And subscribe bit by the way, much more professional sounding
Compared to easy cheese characters like king she’s really not that bad 😂
King is harder and less cheesey then xiaoyo id rather play against 5 kings in a row then 1 xiaoyo
@@JobeLovosame bro
@@JobeLovo Not me, xiao more fun to fight. King just armor and grabs. It’s boring.
@kirbyyplays Xiao is throws armour evasion knowledge checks and broken fundamental tools
@ yeah I hear ya. Shes doesn’t bug me as much as king who puts very little effort for massive payoffs.
Nina and Jin have taken her spot Ngl
I only managed to figure out Alisa recently after hitting her with a mid. Then I realised I need to use my keep-out options and wait for her to go into ANY of her stances or slow moves.
The difficulty of using her effectively makes her a far less frequent opponent online and then it still might be a relatively easy fight. If it’s not and the opponent knows what they’re doing, it still can be pretty fun, she’s kinda like Lee in this regard. So she’s very far from being “the most hated” spot - there are Hworangs, Dragunovs, Kings, Jins, Larses, Victors and Kazuyas to contend with 🤷♂️
Nice video, good assessment. 👌🏻
One thing for correction: she doesn't have a complete throw game, she lacks a 2-break command throw, only has a 1-break, similar to Jun.
She has a 2 break throw, which is Arm Flip. She doesn't have a 1 break throw, unless you count the RDS hop throws.
Dang I didn't know she was that popular. I main her just because I like her style. She's a total badass. She was pretty weak in t7 so it's nice that she's got more offense than ever
I’ve mained her since T5 and the sole reason for that is because her bracelets glow and created streaks of light when she moves. Oh, and also the bear costume
She isn't that popular. Bro even links a popularity graph in the video showing this.
Just another xiaoyu video complaint but she's not popular. I barely see them or not many of them in quick match.
@@NKSheilaEverly Xiaoyu very popular character just not online cuz many people don’t play stance characters that’s why her and Zafina always on bottom with gameplay but I love Xiaoyu she my favorite character and so fun to play as
Xiaoyu is awesome 😂♥️. An excellent character design. A really good Xiaoyu is one of the most beautiful things to watch in Tekken
Ling Nation Stand Up.✊
She doesn't annoy me half as much as Jin. He just feels overpowered and overplayed. Xiayou's power feels earned to me.
Baloney id rather fight jin any day
Nah I'd rather fight jin at least I can hit bro and can parry or duck them if they start spamming jab strings (you'd be surprised how many do this)
@@JobeLovo Nah I like the challenge, Xiayou is a novel character. Jin on the other hand is just constant, easy to play and overpowered. He's strong and boring and annoyingly similar to 4 other overplayed characters which feels like it's reducing my experience to nothing but mishimas.
@Sloppyjoey1 I wish I had your experience I don't see enough Mishimas Mishimas are by far the most fun to play against Xiao is for me one of the most miserable characters to play against besides bears and she's fairly common , I'd even argue that xiaoyo is just as easy as jin but with more knowledge checks and less common witch makes her even harder to play against
id rather understand powerfull tools than having random bullshit go thrown at me
Tekken 3 was the first video game I ever played, and Xiaoyu has been my main ever since. I just find her complexity a lot of fun
I swear your editing get better every video
don't mess with my babygirl
Drag, Nina, King, Yoshi, Jin: I sleep
Xiaoyu: Real shit
I ain’t even watch this video. All I have to say is, I was a Kishin Jin on a 7 win streak, and fought and lost a set to Ling. Completely discouraged by her AOP crushing my mids, I then lost like 8 fights row, demoting me back down to battle ruler. I ain’t been on Ranked or Jin in 3 days since then!
Wow, you'll never get better with this attitude 😂 such a shame lmao
@ Xiayou player I presume. -__-
@@giovannidykes6158 OMG what gave it away 😱
@@giovannidykes6158 Jin is annoying asf and hella spammy, 10x more so than Xiaoyu. If you don't believe me, try to play Xiaoyu yourself and see how far you get.
@ lmao!
Many complaining about AOP and her stances but got something to tell ya *shocker* her stances are unblock able so you see her go in stance or knows she finna go into stance just hit her if you know her tools and study the opponents she fairly easy to beat and space her because her range sucks people who complains don’t review their replays I see
When i did get my first Playstation, there was a demo of Tekken3 with it. I could play only as Eddy or Xiaoyu and only against them plus Paul and Lei. Since my friends were crazy about playing Eddy all the time, I gone all for Ling and she became my main for good. So i keep maining her in Tekken8. But ngl, I agree with almost every single point you made xD
Everyone hate her.
Me: i love her, i main her, i’m LINGNATION!
Everyone hates her because she stands between eternal love of Jin and Hwoarang
finally! someone who appreciates xiaoyu and the ppl who main her
Healthy video. Healthy idea
Played Xiaoyu here and there since T3, and she's a good character. I don't lose to her because I know her moves by now.
Yeah Xiaoyu is a all around character you love her on your team but hate when you go against her
She has an unreactable low launcher. Its 20 so frames but the animation is tricky. You'll never react unless you're very familiar
If you mean d/f+3, that is i29 and trivially reactable
As a eddy main Jin’s down2 is reachable and 214 isn’t that bad
It's not reactable online. 214 shouldn't knockdown or wall splat on CH
I can solve this really quick as a ling main and I'm sure my yoshis and leis will take the same side.
It's because Lings, Yoshis and Leis do not play for the glory, but for the party - and nothing pisses a sweat off more than someone having fun
I’m surprised there’s a video about hating Xiaoyu when there are characters in the game much worse 0_0. Although she has broken stuff. I personally don’t get annoyed by her as much. I’m more so annoyed at all the Kings, Kumas, Jins and Ninas flooding the ranks right now.
I hate ling too but more people just need to learn their anti AOP move and just learn "anti ling " gameplay as opposed to running your standard offense.
Everyone hates everyone except their characters
I’d rather deal with Xiaoyu than Yoshi tbh, I’d rather take a 50/50 and have a chance of guessing right than to take a low/high unblockable bs at the wall
she was the second character i played with since i was looking for a new main (julia, my dear friend, i miss you everyday.) and i can read her like a fucking book. so glad i dont have a problem with the matchup lol
been my favorite character since tekken 3 when i was a kid loved her level and just hearing the music lol
Xiaoyu will be my main now and forever. I dont consider her anywhere near as annoying as others. But salute fellow users.
Agreed let's bring Xiaoyu to the top
F2,1,1+2 at the wall should be considered a war crime.
🤓☝️ umm.... actually it's F2,1,2
[Srsly though they should remove the move or treat it like the original move UF2 (where it whiffs on the ground)
It is not that damaging itself. F2,1, b, HYP 2 gives more damage. The guaranteed low-scaled followup makes it ugly.
@@LordViktorHun88 The guaranteed follow up was implied. Even then feels like I die no matter what get up option I go for
Xiayou has always been annoying, and I can 100% accept that. However giving her the ridiculous damage, forced 50/50s in heat and stupid plus frames is unacceptable. Zafina and Paul are mixup characters. Zafina gets no good oki, laughable damage and nothing remarkable at a wall. Paul's mixups come at great risk. Almost all his best options are launch punishable.
Xiayou and Feng are stupidly overturned.
lol, she does not have ridiculous damage
If only there was a way to know my incoming opponent before the mstch loading screen, i would deny playing against Xiaoyu, Asuka, Yoshi, Victor, Leroy for the rest of my life.
As a Xiaoyu main, I couldn't consider her as a spammy character, as in like spamming attack moves over and over again. I consider her to be a character that requires a bit of strategy when spamming her evasive moves. But to me she's not spammy like Hwoarang and Eddy. She's a strategic evasion-based character 🧡
She's been my crush since I was seven ❤
2:47. No true. U3+4 and D3+4 are strictly worse than normal SS. They are used to distract, not to avoid.
The real evasion is in her backturned stance, which sneakily make her SSs movement much better, and in her SSR into phoenix stance, wich almost doubles the initial right side evasion.
Telling a pro player to "learn" is crazy😂
They hate xiaoyu but nerf Dragunov? 😢
As a Ling Main and Serial Defender. I agree Ling hyp stance needs to be nerfed. Maybe make the Low Launch punishable. I wish people would speak about Ling's weakness rather then her strengths. Since her Weakness is the most important aspect to Tekken to some extent. This was great video 6:00-7:00 is all we ling mains want to hear! WE KNOW SHES GREAT, but IT TAKES TIME TO BE GREAT Unlike Dragonov.
Lings weaknesses dont really matter in t8
@@shaghilathar3588 Having nothing to skip neutral / bad range matters alot, but all her other strengths are of course good and fill that weakness to some regard.
@@shaghilathar3588 because you are trash player, just admit it.
@@wanashthegash Would you like to play me and find out?
Im a Kazuya main who just picked her up. Great timing
Am i the only one who doesnt seem to find Ling annoying but actually finds her cute? I mean im pretty chill about this character and idrc about her spamming the fck out of my bryan. 😭
Let’s talk Alisa and them win-button chainsaws.
As a Steve main i barely can do anything with her moves even when i know what she's going to do. Even just finding an option that is going to counter her moves is a bitch. One of the most frustrating characters to deal with. Good thing I don't see her often on my blue ranks.
i can see that with steve...
As both a blue rank Steve and Xiaoyu main, my win rate vs Xiaoyu's is near 75%. Run your offense and get in their head, shut everything down before it begins. Abuse Steve's poking, I Sonic Fang everytime i see AOP, UF2 her lows if you get a good read. Most of the time they get frustrated and it works well for my Steve.
This character sounds more of a problem than alisa
Man im a Jack main and she is not the most annoying and don't mind going against her there are far more annoying characters top five for me is Steve,Hworang,Law,lily and Nina
Ling is nowhere near as intimidating to fight against as others in tekken 8.
Yeah this is a good assessment. Though i feel like it's misleading when people say level 3 HYP 3 is a snake edge. Even in heat she has to take two steps, which is like 100 frames. Additionally, there are frames where she can't attack during hyp, so people who are knowledgeable about the match up can recognize the time she's defenseless during the transition of hype step 1-2. Even after heat smash, the opponent can react to her taking 2 steps.
the only legitimate way to way to set up level 3 HYP 3 are certain oki situations, and most savvy players stay in the ground and take the grounded hit rather than guess during the 50/50.
I'm not saying this to make excuses for the character, she's very strong and explosive! It also just takes longer to learn the matchup against her.
I'm sure yoshi is the most hated character right now
I haven't even seen your video yet and I can already tell it's probably AoP. BTW Ling has been hated since here debut and I love how AoP is still messed up and frustrating as all hell to deal with.
Bro's probably the only person that can get away with telling ppl to learn the match-up 😂
(Srsly tho love the channel and thanks for the vid)
She's cute and has the Tao.
Xiaoyu was the character I was most looking forward to learning in Tekken 8 since Julia wasnt in the launch roster but I started with Asuka since I was daunted by the reputation of Xiaoyu and while Asuka was fun that didnt last. I've since swapped to Xiaoyu and wished I did it sooner.
Harada said one time that Ling is the anti-Tekken character. She's made for people 'who don't want to play Tekken' Tekken players.
It's hilarious.
bro love your videos, I don't play tekken but big fan of the franchise. You making scripted videos about things related to the video game, that makes the general audience understand the game and what is happening in a cool manner is just amazing
My dream is that you do one of these for LEI WULONG IN SEASON 2!!! MY GLORIOUS KING MUST RETURN!
Always will be my main since Tekken3 💯haven’t played T8 yet but she’ll definitely be the first one I learn
Sounds like a skill issue.
xiaoyu, alisa, and zafina are ultra annoying asf.
ngl xiayou never annoyed me and beat my ass until i mained king lmao
Im just saying mids exist to hit low stances. So WHY do my MIDS keep SAILING OVER HER F*CKING HEAD?!?
Because she doesn't block lows in stance.
@@Rius9106yes! As every other character! So how about not breaking the game rules??
@@berkaykilic5883 zafina can block in mantis stance I believe. Azucena has autoparry in libertador. Every character breaks rules in some way. Point is, aop would be useless and have to be reworked completely if it didn't crush mids.
@@Rius9106 she can leave the stance quick and block it. She cant block it meanwhile and mantis stance doesnt evade as stupid as aop not even close. And the option she has from mantis not even close as strong as xiayous bullshit. Lets not talk about hypnotist stance mixup and her broken throw game
@@berkaykilic5883 good luck blocking like that on reaction, won't happen. Crushing property is what makes aop viable, without it there would be no point in using it. Don't forget zafina has tarantula too, with even more crushing properties compared to mantis. Hyp and launching throw are annoying, I get it. You just have to lab some stuff and you'll see.
3:31 "She got very subpar damage" That next one Ling subpar damage in question (against Kazuya in this next timestamp):
They be hating cause we be rolling and jumping over their stiff characters.
In other words just being given free evasion
I mean you are mastering one of the hardest characters to play you have all the rights to be annoying.
that's the most beautiful thing about Tekken! every character is unique and challenging to face them! but yeah she is definitely annoying!
The hate for this character is wayyyyy overblown in my opinion
Bryan video, when?
Hey, its me! 😂
I would say King or eddy Gordo is difficult to hang about in my opinion
Having your deep low hitting mids and fast lows at the ready, while sparingly using highs using a defensive mindset works wonders in this match up. Oh, and don’t mash the tech roll or you be launched.
Yeah unless your character doesn't have those - then this becomes the most bullshite matchup in the game. It is ridiculous that she can instantly evade + launch df1 and df2 while being negative
Great so use 3 moves out of the 100 any character has. That's fair
No, not my main. 😂
Sorry everybody Xiaoyu is 100 % fair she just is.
I mean it's not like I rob people every single day with this character while also being trash at the game.
So everyone get like Knee and just learn the match up period.
Copium
Yeah Imma waste all my time in the lab to beat all the shitty characters in this game instead of actually playing it. 😂
She is just annoying.
UHH that logics almost applies to every character, you HAVE to lab.
Hwoa, Steve, Nina, King, Jin, they have those gimmicky stuff that you'd lose easily if you don't know them @@tomkycz3243
@@tomkycz3243 if you arent bothered to learn the matchup then dont complain about the character
@@ItsKrisAoki Learning match up won't magically remove the reasons why people hate her. All what the match up knowledge will do is that you will know proper punishment and what her attacks do.
That doesn't change the fact that you still will be forced into 50/50, you still will hear her stupid voice and your mids will still go over her.
Learning the match up won't change the reasons why you hate her.
Think Show You, like shower or shout. Not correct, but more correct than the pronunciation used here. The 'x' makes a sound similar but not identical to the 'sh' sound in English.
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So, everyone hates Xiaoyu because you practiced with King, Bryan, Dragunov, Jin, and Kazuya, ignoring Xiaoyu, thinking she was "meh." But now, some Xiaoyu players are kicking y’all’s asses!
Am I the only one ho don’t hate. Xiaoyau. 🤔
I like the character. Fighting her can be really annoying sometimes 😂
Can you do Lili? People say she extremely easy and S tier character but She hardcore nerfed and she has only 6 7 safe moves. Her moves can be sidesteppable in both ways. She has best sidestep but tekken 8 and dlc characters has a lot homing safe mids
Lmao, her fans really told the goat to learn the matchup.
Can you do a video about raven or steve?
But does she have chainsaws though?
Most hate goes for stuff like double roll launcher from BT. That move is -15 so she's supposed to die for it. But you have to be frame perfect for that punish otherwise you eat the combo for attempting the correct punish. It's ridiculous. Online Tekken is like that.
If you're trying to punish her with a 15f, you're doing it wrong. The Roo Kick from the Cali Roll is only -11 on block. You can jab punish her for it if you do it fast enough and some characters have very damaging strings that start with a regular jab.
If you're trying to use anything slower, you're giving her a chance to parry you or even do another roo kick which will likely go under your move and launch you.
@@kung_fucius2311 I checked. You're right. I guess my memory decieved me because for my character -11 still launch in the back. That is if you can nail it. That actually makes more sense now and enforces my point online hitting her with jab strings in the back is inconsistent and thus very risky.
@@kung_fucius2311 maybe the issue is not even online. The animation/interaction is messed up. You have to input a punish during the block stun animation basically cancelling it. That's why that attack gets you every time. So it's not as much the characters fault as much the devs.
Yeah a jab string or anything 11f or less will work, but with her at -11, you have to get that punish in on frame 1.
(Context: I'm a Ling main and many of my local FGC mates labbed this matchup and blow me up after blocking the Roo Kick.)
@@kung_fucius2311 yeah it sucks on paper. It's just inconsistent online which blows people up left and right so they hate the character.
Why does it have to be another Ling hate video? There's one already. Everyone hates certain characters in Tekken 8. 😅
Only generic players can hate her
I’ve try to like her and still I don’t. And you’re right! She is incredibly annoying and overrated just like her hostile fans. I would pick another female main over her any time. I doubt her popularity and I believe majority Tekken fans will never even play her.
Great info btw! 😊