I was afraid that a 1 hour video could scare off people but obviously there are more like me. I simply like watching other people building things. Thanks a lot for having followed me up to the end. Making such videos is an awful lot of work but getting such feedback just keeps me going!
Meine Tochter hat sich beim Aufbau ihrer Klemm von ihrem Bauprozess inspirieren lassen. Vorbildliche Baudokumentation! Zudem ein tolles Modell. Ich bin nun auch inspiriert und kann mir gut vorstellen diesen Neo auch bald mal zu bauen 😍
Vielen Dank! Es freut mich wenn ich den einen oder anderen zu einem schönen Bauprojekt inspirieren kann. Der Triple Neo ist wirklich ein toller Flieger. Ich weiß gar nicht welche Version mir besser gefällt, Thermic oder Speed. Machen beide richtig Spaß. Eine Klemm ist auch eine sehr schöne Maschine. Ich habe in meiner Bau-Pipeline einen DSF Kranich. Auf den freue ich mich schon. Schöne Grüße aus Bayern
Beautiful craftsmanship, educational, technically astute, and a pleasure to watch and learn......and the colour pattern perfect! Braavo with a standing ovation!!! Encore...encore!!!
Thanks a lot! I know you were waiting for the release of the video for quite a while. I am so happy that you liked it. In the meantime I had the chance to make many flights with the Triple Neo Thermic and you won‘t be disappointed. It performs so much better in thermals compared to the Speed wings. Handling is different and requires a lot more rudder instead of ailerons but you’ll get used to that quickly. Making the video was sometimes a bit of a stretch but finally I am really happy with it as I am also happy with the color scheme. The transparent red just looks beautiful with the sun shining through. The video shooting for the flight video is done but the editing will still need a bit of time. Hope you are making good progress with your Thermic. Bye Robert
After seeing your first video on the neo speed I built it myself as a first time building project. For this winter I decided to build the thermal wings and now I have a build video to follow along. 😊
Thanks for your feedback! I am super happy that my videos are helpful for you. The Thermic wings are a bit more work than the Speed wings as you have to build inner and outer sections. Flying with the Thermic wings is totally different. It is much more sensitive to thermals (no surprise 😜) and it is less agile and wants to be controlled a lot by rudder with the ailerons stabilizing the angle of bank. I already had a 1 hour flight jumping from one thermal to the other. You‘ll love it! Enjoy the build and in case of questions don‘t hesitate to post a comment.
Thanks a lot for this nice feedback, Jim. It is quite a lot of work producing these videos. But it is feedback like yours that keeps me going! Greetings from Bavaria to Oz ✌️
Danke!!! Also nix wie los, einen schönen Bausatz bestellen und loslegen 😉Da ich unheimlich gerne baue (und fliege) ist bei mir "nach dem Bau" auch immer "vor dem Bau". Bin schon am nächsten Projekt...
We always say it is part of the hobby: Build - Fly - Crash - Repeat But I can tell you that every maiden flight gives me some shaking legs! That’s obviously also part of the hobby 😜
Hallo Franz, Max, Klaus, Sepp - wie auch immer, Erwin Beizeiten - ebenfalls hier auf RUclips zu finden, ist schon ein beeindruckender Handwerker! Ich denke jedoch, dass er sich von Dir noch einiges abschauen kann. Was Du da tust, vor allem die Art und Weise wie Du arbeitest, ist richtig, richtig beeindruckend! Gratulation von meiner Seite!
Franz, Max, Klaus, Sepp 😂 … alles falsch! Robert wäre richtig, ist aber halt nicht wirklich typisch bayrisch 😜 Vielen Dank für Dein Lob, das freut mich wirklich sehr! Jeder hat so seinen Baustil, meiner ist ein wenig dafür berüchtigt recht Genauigkeits-verliebt zu sein. Den Kanal von Erwin kenne ich auch und schau dort regelmäßig und gerne vorbei. Man kann sich schließlich immer was bei anderen abschauen und dazulernen. Schöne Grüße aus Bayern, Robert.
Really great. I would like to be able to be precise as You .. I will buy a Triple neo soon. Thanks again for this video. A lot of Hints that I've forgot .
Thanks buddy. Maybe I forgot to mention that I hate CA 😂 To be honest I use CA where it brings an advantage but if I can I use PVA … that’s old-school but I like it 😜
Dear sir, thanks for sharing such a beautiful video explaining with practical , I am Jitendra Jadhav from I India, Pune , hobby flyer and I do also aeromodelling,
Hi, you might check out Aloft Hobbies. They have the fuselage and the speed wing available as separate kits. alofthobbies.com/products/aeronaut-triple-neo-fuselage-kit alofthobbies.com/products/wing-kit-for-aero-naut-triple-speed-model?variant=40019442499721 The thermic wing is only available as in the kit with the (old) balsa fuselage alofthobbies.com/collections/thermal/products/aero-naut-triple-thermic-2-5m-electric-glider
Hi. Very detailed and clear instructions! Beautiful and professional work! Tell me, please, what kind of varnish do you cover the model with before coating with a film? Dilute it with a solvent to reduce weight? I am grateful in advance.
Thanks! The varnish is in fact a hotmelt adhesive. It is the same stuff that is on the backside of the covering film. The ORACOVER film would stick even without applying this hotmelt adhesive. But with the hotmelt adhesive the bonding between the wood and the film is much better as the adhesive is soaked into the wood. I am using thinner to reduce the weight. This is the product page of the manufacturer: www.oracover.de/accessories/adhesive-und-thinner/oracover-hotmelt-adhesive
Immer sehr schöne Videos und vor allem die Genauigkeit mit der Sie arbeiten - ist einfach schön anzusehen. Beim Baubrett scheint es verwenden sie eine dicke Balsasperrholzplatte. Ich kenne die nur von Aeronaut. Haben sie die Platte wo anders bezogen weil sie recht groß wirkt. Würde ich mir gerne zulegen. Vielen Dank für eine Antwort. mfg aus Österreich
Vielen Dank für das positive Feedback. In der Tat verwende ich das Baubrett von Aeronaut. Wirkt im Video vielleicht etwas größer als es ist. Bin sehr zufrieden damit. Schöne Grüße aus Bayern
Thanks! I try to reduce the use of CA as much as possible. I hate how it always sticks best on your skin rather than on the piece it should glue 😂 I learned RC building in my childhood back in the 80‘s. So white glue is something I grew up with. Today I like mixing technologies … but for sure white glue is still there!
@cwfarm3793 wood glue gives you more time for alignment of parts. CA hardens the wood locally which is sometimes more difficult to sand. Apart from that a lot is linked to personal preference
Hi there, a very nice build video, I've seen it a few times now. Do you know the Inside F5J model? If you do, how does this Triple Neo compare to the Inside F5J in terms of flight handeling?
Thanks, great that you liked the video. I don't know the Inside F5J but I checked the specs. According to the data I found I would say that the Inside is lighter than the Triple Neo Thermic and has therefore a much lower wing loading (17g/dm2 vs my Triple Neo Thermic 27g/dm2). The Inside seems to be comparable with my F5K Maverick in terms of flight performance (with the Maverick being smaller of course). For calm days I usually use my Maverick and for slightly more windy days I use the Triple Neo which can handle the wind a bit better. The wing structure of the Inside seems to be also quite similar to my Maverick. The Triple Neo has a much stronger wing structure (allowing for more wind). That's about all I could say. I hope this helps.
@@bavarian_rcYes thanks. The solution of course is to get both, lol. I have the Inside on order this week already as there was a deal on it. What is the all up weight of this Triple Neo Thermic?
@Ultramesh Good idea, get both 😜 My Triple Neo Thermic has an AUW of 1281g. The tail of mine got a bit too heavy, so I needed some weight in the nose to balance. You can easily save 100g if you build the tail a bit lighter.
Great build video. I have watched it twice! Can you tell me what the flat bar dimensions are and the size of the I assume lead weights that appear to be cast in a muffin tin? By size diameter and weight would be awesome. I am getting ready to build a Paragon and would like to try your method of weight clamping to keep it flat. Thanks again for your time making the video. God Bless!
Thanks a lot! The flat bars (steel) are 6x30x150mm with a weight of 215g. In the meantime I also made some of 8x40x150mm with 373g but the lighter ones are the more versatile ones. Now to the lead weights. There's a little story behind: Actually these were made by my dad when he was a teenager. Today he is in his 80's. I also asked him one day why these weights have this specific form. He told me that they had a kids toy scale with small "cups" where you could put the stuff inside you wanted to weigh. These cups were made of metal. When he was looking for something to cast some lead weights for his hobby (he was building control line models at the time) he used these cups. So they have a long history 😊 The bottom diameter is 35mm, the upper diameter is 25mm and the height is 15mm. Their weight is 150g. All of these weights are super useful.
beatiful build, unlike the one on my triple neo. also, my wings aren't attacched very well to the fousolage and they flex pretty much by the point they join to the fusolage. any tips to solve it?
Thanks! I also have some flex in the wings but in the area of the fuselage-to-wing joint they should be quite strong. Without further details it is hard to say how to fix. You could send me some pictures to show exactly where the flex is and in which direction it flexes. You can find my mail address in the channel info.
Good day to you and hoping that winter has come to a fine end for the season! At time stamp 37:05 are you using the fibreglass reinforcement with the epoxy mixture or with the fibreglass repair resin? I just want to be clear although it looks like you are using the standard epoxy mixture with micro balloons added. Please confirm when you can.....and thank you once again for such an eloquent time lapse video! Ciao e a presto!!!
Hi Peter, indeed winter has come to an end. We already had the first beautiful days with above 20°C and the next weekend promises unbelievable 28°C. As usual we are boosted from 10°C to 28°C within only few days. You are right, I am using the same epoxy resin for all. I mix a portion of resin and then put half of it into a 2nd pot, where I add micro balloons and thixotropic powder. For the carbon roving at the trailing edge I am using the standard resin without any additive. On the ribs along the trailing edge I am using the epoxy with the micro balloons. For the fibreglass at the wing root I am again using the standard epoxy. For the ribs again the resin with the micro balloons. Keep me updated on your build! Ciao Robert
Danke! ☺️ Es kommt darauf an, welchen Leim man nimmt und wie kritisch eine Verklebung ist. Ich benutze Ponal Express, der trocknet relativ schnell. Unkritische Stellen lasse ich ca. 1 Stunde trocknen, kritische Stellen wie z.B. Holm oder die Beplankung lasse ich schon mehrere Stunden oder besser über Nacht trocknen. Wenn man zu früh weiter macht kann sich leichter was verziehen.
Einen lieben Gruss nach Bayern, sehr spannend würde ich noch finden, wenn du beschreiben würdest, wie du den Rumpf ausgebaut hast. Bin noch Anfänger und habe die Flügel relativ problemlos nach deinen Tipps hin bekommen! Speziell beim Einbau des Motors und den Anschlüssen Servos Flügel-Rumpf,
Hi, da ich vorher schon den Triple Neo Speed gebaut habe, hatte ich den Rumpf schon. Der Ausbau ist in meinem Bauvideo des Triple Neo Speed ausführlich gezeigt. Das ist der identische Rumpf wie beim Thermic. Schau mal hier: Triple Neo Speed - Time Lapse Build ruclips.net/video/N0PjwzXSJ7k/видео.html Schöne Grüße zurück! 😃
Great build. I am building a neo speed now, and i wonder how the thermic wing is compared to the speed wing? Is there any reason that you don`t use CA glue?
Thanks! The Speed Wings already perform quite well in thermals but the Thermic Wings are much better. The handling is really absolutely different. With the speed wings it is more of a cruising with agile controls through the ailerons. With the Thermic wings you need a lot more rudder for turning. Finally I like both very much and use the pair of wings fitting best to the weather and my mood.
I forgot to answer your question about the CA glue. First of all I think there is a lot of personal preference in using mainly white glue and honestly I hate CA glue as there is nothing where it sticks better than on your skin. I personally like white glue for all wood/wood joints. You have time enough to align your parts and white glue keeps a bit of elasticity which is ideal for a wing structure. On the other side building with white glue requires more time as you always need to wait for the glue to dry. CA has a clear advantage there. But CA makes the wood quite hard which means you have soft and hard areas next to each other which is not ideal for transporting forces through the structure.
Hi we gets :) The build is super 😍can you tell us in Munich where i can join the RC group if you know any group? i really want to build and fly my own build RC. please let me know :)
Hi there .. "mia geht's guat" ... to say it in Bavarian 😉 I am happy that you liked my build. I am about 100km away from Munich, so I don't know the local clubs. I am sure if you check on the internet you will find some clubs with which you can get intop contact. Go for it, it's the best hobby in the world 👍😀
Dein Bauvideo ist das Beste, was ich bisher gesehen habe. Deine Art Modelle zu bauen ist hochprofessionell. Allein wie du Verzug vermeidest, ist bemerkenswert. Frage: kannst du von der großen Baumatte und dem Permanentschleifblock die Bezugsquelle bekannt geben?
Vielen Dank für das tolle Feedback, das freut mich wirklich sehr! Die große Baumatte, die ich zum Zuschneiden der Folie verwendet habe, ist von Amazon: Pavo 8002931 A1 Schneidematte Schneideunterlage, 900 x 600 mm, blau (amzn.eu/d/enQsd6y). Ich hab gerade geschaut, die scheint es dort leider nicht mehr zu geben. Habe ich auch schon seit vielen Jahren. Evtl. findest Du die gleiche Matte wo anders. Die Matte ist sehr stabil, ordentlich dick und nur zu empfehlen. Als Schleifklotz verwende ich diesen: Perma-Grit - Schleifblock, fein/grob 140x52mm. Den gibt's z.B. hier: www.hoelleinshop.com/Perma-Grit-Schleifblock-140mm-fein/grob.htm?shop=hoellein&SessionId=&a=article&ProdNr=PG-SB140&t=49303&c=1007&p=1007 Schöne Grüße Robert
Ciao Roberto, I have used a 5-minute epoxy resin /hardener combination. I believe that I do not work fast enough in order to properly coat all parts / roving material and then attach the elements concerned. In the video....is the ratio of 10g resin : 4g hardener applied throughout the build? ( I saw that ratio on the build of the Neo-Speed....simply wondering if the same ratio was applied here in the Neo Thermic Time Lapse video. Am I better to use a 24-hour epoxy mixture? Opinion? Spring has sprung here....finallya day above 10 degrees C. Peter
Hi Peter, 5-minute epoxy will not really work. It takes around 20 minutes to properly apply the roving, the thickened epoxy on the ribs and the glass fiber. No chance with 5-minute epoxy. I definitely recommend using normal 24-hour laminating epoxy (not casting epoxy). The one I use has 40 minutes pot life, which lets you do all the work without any stress. The mixing ratio depends on your resin system. Usually 5-minute epoxy is 50:50 (in volume). My laminating epoxy system is 100:40 (in weight). With epoxy you need to strictly follow the ratio given by the manufacturer. More hardener to have quicker reaction will not work. In that case the excess hardener would not react and you would get a bad result (might stay sticky). This is different to polyester resin where the amount of hardener can be varied. I never us polyester resin for RC builds. I hope this helps and don't hesitate to come back with any questions you might have. Happy to answer them all! Ciao Robert
Great to watch and wish I could be doing this at the this time. Have you tried using the spoilers as spoilerons? Possible weight savings if ailerons then not needed? Thanks. Laurie. NZ. 😊
Thanks 😊 I have never tried spoilerons. When applying the spoilers I have a significant pitch down effect. Not sure about the effect when used as spoilerons. Would be worth a try. Or better use the alternative RES wings which are designed to work without ailerons. Greetings to NZ, Robert
Großartig gemachtes Video! Wie ist das Flugverhalten insbesondere in der Thermik im Vergleich zum Helios? Bindan Propellerleim finde ich übrigens noch besser als Ponal.
Danke! Zum Helios kann ich leider nichts sagen da ich keine praktische Erfahrung mit ihm habe. Generell geht der Triple Neo Thermic schon ziemlich gut in der Thermik. Von der Größe und Gewicht spielen beide in der gleichen Klasse weshalb ich sehr ähnliche Performance erwarten würde. Danke für den Tipp mit dem Propeller Leim. Werde ich ausprobieren.
Thanks a lot. Great that you liked it. Did you also see my Flight video of the Triple Neo Thermic? It really flies fantastic. The characteristics change completely just with the different wings. You will like it!
I bought them long before they were banned. The only reasonable source I could find is this one: www.kaufland.de/product/461498630/?kwd&source=pla&sid=26391361&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwhfipBhCqARIsAH9msbmTdLspLfRf311gEiItzKiLLQRFrm7ljrDj2U_8gEAeOsrgbpJy6O4aAmGOEALw_wcB
Епоксидната смола освен теглово може да се смесва и обемно. Аз лично смесвам обеми минимум от около половин куб.см и нямам проблеми с втвърдяването. Все пак живея в най бедната част на източна Европа.
Yes, I agree for small amount of epoxy there is not much difference between mixing by weight or by volume. My kitchen scale looks like it has an accuracy of 1 gram but I doubt it is that accurate. In case you are mixing bigger amount of epoxy I think the difference between volume and weight becomes more significant.
Putting flight videos as a separate video is LAME. You do amazing work, then expect us to hunt through RUclips to find the ending? At least link to it after it's posted. Otherwise 9/10!
I really appreciate that you like my work. What I don’t get it this thing about the flight video. Is it so hard to find? If you go to the video description of the build video you‘ll find the link to the flight video. I always thought this would be enough to find it. What platform are you using for RUclips? PC? Mobile? TV? Maybe the video description is a bit hidden on your platform. Where would you expect the link in the video? At the very end? I‘ll check what options I have in YT
@@bavarian_rc Why is it so important to put out two-part videos? You do all this great work, on the plane and in video production, only to frustrate your viewers. If I'm complaining, you know there are plenty of others who feel the same way but simply click away and don't take the time to offer criticism. I am disabled and can't do much except watch tv all day so I have time to offer advice. And I wouldn't take the time to do it on a channel I didn't think had a lot to offer. But if you insist on two-part videos (?), yes, please put part two at the end. But you can't do that until later because you make them at different times. And if you make them at the same time, again, why release them separately? Also, consider labeling them "Part 1" and "Part 2" or "Build Video Only", or something. The frustrating part is to watch the build video (which IS amazing) and right when you expect to see the thing fly you have to play this little game. RUclips is so competitive. It is just too easy to watch some other guy's videos that don't make you go through the little dance. If you are trying to make extra revenue with the second video, I think you are losing just as much by frustrating your viewers. One last thing, in your flight footage, try including more shots from the ground. I know it's challenging to get the planes to show up, but it is this perspective that really shows off how well the planes fly.
Thanks a lot for taking the time to provide this feedback. First to explain why I do separate build and flight videos: The effort to create a flight video is very high (like for the build videos). For example the flight video of the Triple Neo Thermic took around 20-25 flights which were spread over several weeks. To make it all look seamless I also needed to take care to have similar weather conditions. The editing of the video again took me around 3-4 weeks (I am doing this as a hobby!). So you see there is a significant delay between the completion of the build and the availability of the flight video. Therefore I always make a 2 video approach to push out the build video once it is done and then have a separate flight video somewhere after. It significantly reduced the stress on my side (again this is only a hobby for me). I was always thinking that the flight video would be easy to find with the link in the video description but obviously the description is not so easy to access on devices like TV. Revenues are definitely not an important topic. The flight videos usually have a lot less clicks compared to the build videos. If I compare the effort that goes into the flight videos with the revenues I would immediately need to stop doing them 😂 So far, if I look at the effort put into the creation of the flight video of the Triple Neo Thermic, it made me earn less than 10 Cent per man hour I put into it. Very bad business model! So I think I need to find a compromise: What I can do is to put an info card (that's the banner on the upper right corner) at the end of the video that links to the flight video (already did this now for the Triple Neo Thermic and Twin Turbo Lidl build videos). In addition I will link on the end screen to the flight video. Normally these links at the end of the video should show up also on TVs. What I do to find more videos from one creator, I navigate to the creator's channel and then look for other videos I might be interested (not sure this works easily on TVs). Concerning the shots from the ground you are absolutely right. The problem is that I am usually alone when I am doing the video shooting. So I can't fly the plane and operate the video camera. I was always trying to compensate that by putting a Insta360 camera on a tripod. The issue is that this camera has a super wide angle lens. So to get a good shot of the plane from the ground you almost have to hit the tripod in order to be close enough. For the flight video of the Triple Neo Thermic for the first time I gave my SLR camera to my daughter so that she could film from the ground. She ist just a beginner in filming and had some trouble getting good shots but she will improve over time. So I can promise you that there will be more shots from the ground in the future. Again thanks a lot for your valuable feedback. Best regards Robert
@@bavarian_rc Sure thing. I appreciate your reply. Often when I offer suggestions RUclipsrs just get nasty and tell me off. You do amazing work both with the planes and the videos. I spent a decade building planes and can't do it now, so I love to watch others.
Дуже цікаво та неімовірно красиво, але такий обсяг роботи... Але я ніколи не повірю, що все це не можна зробити на 3Д принтері, за наявності сучасних пластиків та того ж самого карбону. Вподобайку, та переглядів каналу. Все буде Україна!
Thanks, great that you liked it. Yes, there is a lot of work that goes into such a build but you know there are the RC hobbyists that like building and the ones that like flying… I like both! So spending lots of time with building is part of the fun. Not sure if that big wingspans are already possible with 3D printing but I have already seen gliders that were 3D printed. By the way, you might be interested in my build video and flight video of the Shaka from Flightpoint which is a Ukrainian company. I am just starting another build in a cooperation with Flightpoint. Always happy to support Ukraine! 🇺🇦
I didn't think I had an hour to spend watching the whole thing, but yep, I absolutely did.
I was afraid that a 1 hour video could scare off people but obviously there are more like me. I simply like watching other people building things. Thanks a lot for having followed me up to the end. Making such videos is an awful lot of work but getting such feedback just keeps me going!
Meine Tochter hat sich beim Aufbau ihrer Klemm von ihrem Bauprozess inspirieren lassen. Vorbildliche Baudokumentation! Zudem ein tolles Modell. Ich bin nun auch inspiriert und kann mir gut vorstellen diesen Neo auch bald mal zu bauen 😍
Vielen Dank! Es freut mich wenn ich den einen oder anderen zu einem schönen Bauprojekt inspirieren kann. Der Triple Neo ist wirklich ein toller Flieger. Ich weiß gar nicht welche Version mir besser gefällt, Thermic oder Speed. Machen beide richtig Spaß.
Eine Klemm ist auch eine sehr schöne Maschine. Ich habe in meiner Bau-Pipeline einen DSF Kranich. Auf den freue ich mich schon. Schöne Grüße aus Bayern
Beautiful craftsmanship, educational, technically astute, and a pleasure to watch and learn......and the colour pattern perfect! Braavo with a standing ovation!!! Encore...encore!!!
Thanks a lot! I know you were waiting for the release of the video for quite a while. I am so happy that you liked it. In the meantime I had the chance to make many flights with the Triple Neo Thermic and you won‘t be disappointed. It performs so much better in thermals compared to the Speed wings. Handling is different and requires a lot more rudder instead of ailerons but you’ll get used to that quickly. Making the video was sometimes a bit of a stretch but finally I am really happy with it as I am also happy with the color scheme. The transparent red just looks beautiful with the sun shining through. The video shooting for the flight video is done but the editing will still need a bit of time. Hope you are making good progress with your Thermic. Bye Robert
After seeing your first video on the neo speed I built it myself as a first time building project.
For this winter I decided to build the thermal wings and now I have a build video to follow along. 😊
Thanks for your feedback! I am super happy that my videos are helpful for you. The Thermic wings are a bit more work than the Speed wings as you have to build inner and outer sections. Flying with the Thermic wings is totally different. It is much more sensitive to thermals (no surprise 😜) and it is less agile and wants to be controlled a lot by rudder with the ailerons stabilizing the angle of bank. I already had a 1 hour flight jumping from one thermal to the other. You‘ll love it! Enjoy the build and in case of questions don‘t hesitate to post a comment.
It is really enjoyable watching a master builder at work, thank you for the opportunity. Jim from Oz.
Thanks a lot for this nice feedback, Jim. It is quite a lot of work producing these videos. But it is feedback like yours that keeps me going! Greetings from Bavaria to Oz ✌️
Super tolles Video da bekommt Mann direkt Lust selbst Hand anzulegen
Danke!!! Also nix wie los, einen schönen Bausatz bestellen und loslegen 😉Da ich unheimlich gerne baue (und fliege) ist bei mir "nach dem Bau" auch immer "vor dem Bau". Bin schon am nächsten Projekt...
That plane took off like a bird and it was very smooth
It really flies very smooth. Check out the full flight video: Triple Neo Thermic - Flight Video
ruclips.net/video/r6vp1Xy6iyc/видео.html
Immer eine Freude dir zuzuschauen. 1. Sahne. Grüße Rudi
Vielen Dank, das freut mich sehr 😄 schöne Grüße Robert
Incredible. I would be so nervous to fly one knowing one crash would destroy it😢
We always say it is part of the hobby: Build - Fly - Crash - Repeat
But I can tell you that every maiden flight gives me some shaking legs! That’s obviously also part of the hobby 😜
@@bavarian_rc well said.🛩️
Hallo Franz, Max, Klaus, Sepp - wie auch immer, Erwin Beizeiten - ebenfalls hier auf RUclips zu finden, ist schon ein beeindruckender Handwerker! Ich denke jedoch, dass er sich von Dir noch einiges abschauen kann.
Was Du da tust, vor allem die Art und Weise wie Du arbeitest, ist richtig, richtig beeindruckend! Gratulation von meiner Seite!
Franz, Max, Klaus, Sepp 😂 … alles falsch! Robert wäre richtig, ist aber halt nicht wirklich typisch bayrisch 😜 Vielen Dank für Dein Lob, das freut mich wirklich sehr! Jeder hat so seinen Baustil, meiner ist ein wenig dafür berüchtigt recht Genauigkeits-verliebt zu sein. Den Kanal von Erwin kenne ich auch und schau dort regelmäßig und gerne vorbei. Man kann sich schließlich immer was bei anderen abschauen und dazulernen. Schöne Grüße aus Bayern, Robert.
Really great. I would like to be able to be precise as You .. I will buy a Triple neo soon. Thanks again for this video. A lot of Hints that I've forgot .
Thanks a lot 😊 Enjoy your build! If you run into any questions just drop me a comment
Master at work!
Thanks a lot 😊
Fascinating to watch.
Thanks, great that you liked it!
Performance art for relaxing!
😊 Great that you liked it!
Master build, video edition etc ... Thanks
Thanks, great that you liked it 😊
Muy bonito...recomendación...ya inventaron el Cianoclirato o CA...
Thanks buddy. Maybe I forgot to mention that I hate CA 😂 To be honest I use CA where it brings an advantage but if I can I use PVA … that’s old-school but I like it 😜
Awesome Project
Thanks Sebastian! 😊
can wait the video when it fly
Most of the video shooting for the flight video is done. But the video editing will take a while.
Muito boa a construção, parabéns....
Thanks, great that you liked it!
Nice Build!
Thanks 😊
Dear sir, thanks for sharing such a beautiful video explaining with practical , I am Jitendra Jadhav from I India, Pune , hobby flyer and I do also aeromodelling,
Thanks a lot for your feedback. I am happy that you liked my video and found it helpful. Many greetings to India
I wish I could find one of these kits!
Hi, you might check out Aloft Hobbies. They have the fuselage and the speed wing available as separate kits.
alofthobbies.com/products/aeronaut-triple-neo-fuselage-kit
alofthobbies.com/products/wing-kit-for-aero-naut-triple-speed-model?variant=40019442499721
The thermic wing is only available as in the kit with the (old) balsa fuselage
alofthobbies.com/collections/thermal/products/aero-naut-triple-thermic-2-5m-electric-glider
Hi. Very detailed and clear instructions! Beautiful and professional work! Tell me, please, what kind of varnish do you cover the model with before coating with a film? Dilute it with a solvent to reduce weight? I am grateful in advance.
Thanks! The varnish is in fact a hotmelt adhesive. It is the same stuff that is on the backside of the covering film. The ORACOVER film would stick even without applying this hotmelt adhesive. But with the hotmelt adhesive the bonding between the wood and the film is much better as the adhesive is soaked into the wood. I am using thinner to reduce the weight.
This is the product page of the manufacturer: www.oracover.de/accessories/adhesive-und-thinner/oracover-hotmelt-adhesive
EXTRAORDINARIO...!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you, great that you liked it 🙌🏻
Immer sehr schöne Videos und vor allem die Genauigkeit mit der Sie arbeiten - ist einfach schön anzusehen. Beim Baubrett scheint es verwenden sie eine dicke Balsasperrholzplatte.
Ich kenne die nur von Aeronaut. Haben sie die Platte wo anders bezogen weil sie recht groß wirkt. Würde ich mir gerne zulegen. Vielen Dank für eine Antwort. mfg aus Österreich
Vielen Dank für das positive Feedback. In der Tat verwende ich das Baubrett von Aeronaut. Wirkt im Video vielleicht etwas größer als es ist. Bin sehr zufrieden damit. Schöne Grüße aus Bayern
@@bavarian_rc Vielen Dank für die rasche Antwort - wirkt im Video wirklich sehr groß :) lg
love the use of the white glue for the wood...I hate ca.....epoxy only where needed. ! well done
Thanks! I try to reduce the use of CA as much as possible. I hate how it always sticks best on your skin rather than on the piece it should glue 😂 I learned RC building in my childhood back in the 80‘s. So white glue is something I grew up with. Today I like mixing technologies … but for sure white glue is still there!
Is there any benefit to wood glue vs CA? Other than clean up.
@cwfarm3793 wood glue gives you more time for alignment of parts. CA hardens the wood locally which is sometimes more difficult to sand. Apart from that a lot is linked to personal preference
Hi there, a very nice build video, I've seen it a few times now. Do you know the Inside F5J model? If you do, how does this Triple Neo compare to the Inside F5J in terms of flight handeling?
Thanks, great that you liked the video. I don't know the Inside F5J but I checked the specs. According to the data I found I would say that the Inside is lighter than the Triple Neo Thermic and has therefore a much lower wing loading (17g/dm2 vs my Triple Neo Thermic 27g/dm2). The Inside seems to be comparable with my F5K Maverick in terms of flight performance (with the Maverick being smaller of course). For calm days I usually use my Maverick and for slightly more windy days I use the Triple Neo which can handle the wind a bit better. The wing structure of the Inside seems to be also quite similar to my Maverick. The Triple Neo has a much stronger wing structure (allowing for more wind). That's about all I could say. I hope this helps.
@@bavarian_rcYes thanks. The solution of course is to get both, lol. I have the Inside on order this week already as there was a deal on it. What is the all up weight of this Triple Neo Thermic?
@Ultramesh Good idea, get both 😜 My Triple Neo Thermic has an AUW of 1281g. The tail of mine got a bit too heavy, so I needed some weight in the nose to balance. You can easily save 100g if you build the tail a bit lighter.
Great build video. I have watched it twice! Can you tell me what the flat bar dimensions are and the size of the I assume lead weights that appear to be cast in a muffin tin? By size diameter and weight would be awesome. I am getting ready to build a Paragon and would like to try your method of weight clamping to keep it flat. Thanks again for your time making the video. God Bless!
Thanks a lot! The flat bars (steel) are 6x30x150mm with a weight of 215g. In the meantime I also made some of 8x40x150mm with 373g but the lighter ones are the more versatile ones. Now to the lead weights. There's a little story behind: Actually these were made by my dad when he was a teenager. Today he is in his 80's. I also asked him one day why these weights have this specific form. He told me that they had a kids toy scale with small "cups" where you could put the stuff inside you wanted to weigh. These cups were made of metal. When he was looking for something to cast some lead weights for his hobby (he was building control line models at the time) he used these cups. So they have a long history 😊 The bottom diameter is 35mm, the upper diameter is 25mm and the height is 15mm. Their weight is 150g. All of these weights are super useful.
Awesome❤
Thanks 😊
beatiful build, unlike the one on my triple neo. also, my wings aren't attacched very well to the fousolage and they flex pretty much by the point they join to the fusolage. any tips to solve it?
Thanks! I also have some flex in the wings but in the area of the fuselage-to-wing joint they should be quite strong. Without further details it is hard to say how to fix. You could send me some pictures to show exactly where the flex is and in which direction it flexes. You can find my mail address in the channel info.
Good day to you and hoping that winter has come to a fine end for the season! At time stamp 37:05 are you using the fibreglass reinforcement with the epoxy mixture or with the fibreglass repair resin? I just want to be clear although it looks like you are using the standard epoxy mixture with micro balloons added. Please confirm when you can.....and thank you once again for such an eloquent time lapse video! Ciao e a presto!!!
Hi Peter, indeed winter has come to an end. We already had the first beautiful days with above 20°C and the next weekend promises unbelievable 28°C. As usual we are boosted from 10°C to 28°C within only few days. You are right, I am using the same epoxy resin for all. I mix a portion of resin and then put half of it into a 2nd pot, where I add micro balloons and thixotropic powder. For the carbon roving at the trailing edge I am using the standard resin without any additive. On the ribs along the trailing edge I am using the epoxy with the micro balloons. For the fibreglass at the wing root I am again using the standard epoxy. For the ribs again the resin with the micro balloons.
Keep me updated on your build!
Ciao Robert
Sehr schönes Video! Wie lange lässt man den Leim ungefähr trocknen bevor man zum nächsten Schritt kann?
Danke! ☺️ Es kommt darauf an, welchen Leim man nimmt und wie kritisch eine Verklebung ist. Ich benutze Ponal Express, der trocknet relativ schnell. Unkritische Stellen lasse ich ca. 1 Stunde trocknen, kritische Stellen wie z.B. Holm oder die Beplankung lasse ich schon mehrere Stunden oder besser über Nacht trocknen. Wenn man zu früh weiter macht kann sich leichter was verziehen.
How did you make those panning shots from close range just above the glider in flight?
With a 360 Camera. I am using the Insta360 One X mounted on top of the fuselage
Einen lieben Gruss nach Bayern,
sehr spannend würde ich noch finden, wenn du beschreiben würdest, wie du den Rumpf ausgebaut hast. Bin noch Anfänger und habe die Flügel relativ problemlos nach deinen Tipps hin bekommen!
Speziell beim Einbau des Motors und den Anschlüssen Servos Flügel-Rumpf,
Hi, da ich vorher schon den Triple Neo Speed gebaut habe, hatte ich den Rumpf schon. Der Ausbau ist in meinem Bauvideo des Triple Neo Speed ausführlich gezeigt. Das ist der identische Rumpf wie beim Thermic. Schau mal hier:
Triple Neo Speed - Time Lapse Build
ruclips.net/video/N0PjwzXSJ7k/видео.html
Schöne Grüße zurück! 😃
Great build. I am building a neo speed now, and i wonder how the thermic wing is compared to the speed wing? Is there any reason that you don`t use CA glue?
Thanks! The Speed Wings already perform quite well in thermals but the Thermic Wings are much better. The handling is really absolutely different. With the speed wings it is more of a cruising with agile controls through the ailerons. With the Thermic wings you need a lot more rudder for turning. Finally I like both very much and use the pair of wings fitting best to the weather and my mood.
I forgot to answer your question about the CA glue. First of all I think there is a lot of personal preference in using mainly white glue and honestly I hate CA glue as there is nothing where it sticks better than on your skin. I personally like white glue for all wood/wood joints. You have time enough to align your parts and white glue keeps a bit of elasticity which is ideal for a wing structure. On the other side building with white glue requires more time as you always need to wait for the glue to dry. CA has a clear advantage there. But CA makes the wood quite hard which means you have soft and hard areas next to each other which is not ideal for transporting forces through the structure.
@@bavarian_rc I agree on that, and the fumes from CA is not good
Hi we gets :) The build is super 😍can you tell us in Munich where i can join the RC group if you know any group? i really want to build and fly my own build RC. please let me know :)
Hi there .. "mia geht's guat" ... to say it in Bavarian 😉 I am happy that you liked my build. I am about 100km away from Munich, so I don't know the local clubs. I am sure if you check on the internet you will find some clubs with which you can get intop contact. Go for it, it's the best hobby in the world 👍😀
Dein Bauvideo ist das Beste, was ich bisher gesehen habe. Deine Art Modelle zu bauen ist hochprofessionell. Allein wie du Verzug vermeidest, ist bemerkenswert. Frage: kannst du von der großen Baumatte und dem Permanentschleifblock die Bezugsquelle bekannt geben?
Vielen Dank für das tolle Feedback, das freut mich wirklich sehr!
Die große Baumatte, die ich zum Zuschneiden der Folie verwendet habe, ist von Amazon: Pavo 8002931 A1 Schneidematte Schneideunterlage, 900 x 600 mm, blau (amzn.eu/d/enQsd6y). Ich hab gerade geschaut, die scheint es dort leider nicht mehr zu geben. Habe ich auch schon seit vielen Jahren. Evtl. findest Du die gleiche Matte wo anders. Die Matte ist sehr stabil, ordentlich dick und nur zu empfehlen.
Als Schleifklotz verwende ich diesen: Perma-Grit - Schleifblock, fein/grob 140x52mm. Den gibt's z.B. hier: www.hoelleinshop.com/Perma-Grit-Schleifblock-140mm-fein/grob.htm?shop=hoellein&SessionId=&a=article&ProdNr=PG-SB140&t=49303&c=1007&p=1007
Schöne Grüße
Robert
Ciao Roberto,
I have used a 5-minute epoxy resin /hardener combination. I believe that I do not work fast enough in order to properly coat all parts / roving material and then attach the elements concerned. In the video....is the ratio of 10g resin : 4g hardener applied throughout the build? ( I saw that ratio on the build of the Neo-Speed....simply wondering if the same ratio was applied here in the Neo Thermic Time Lapse video. Am I better to use a 24-hour epoxy mixture? Opinion? Spring has sprung here....finallya day above 10 degrees C.
Peter
Hi Peter, 5-minute epoxy will not really work. It takes around 20 minutes to properly apply the roving, the thickened epoxy on the ribs and the glass fiber. No chance with 5-minute epoxy. I definitely recommend using normal 24-hour laminating epoxy (not casting epoxy). The one I use has 40 minutes pot life, which lets you do all the work without any stress. The mixing ratio depends on your resin system. Usually 5-minute epoxy is 50:50 (in volume). My laminating epoxy system is 100:40 (in weight). With epoxy you need to strictly follow the ratio given by the manufacturer. More hardener to have quicker reaction will not work. In that case the excess hardener would not react and you would get a bad result (might stay sticky). This is different to polyester resin where the amount of hardener can be varied. I never us polyester resin for RC builds. I hope this helps and don't hesitate to come back with any questions you might have. Happy to answer them all! Ciao Robert
Great to watch and wish I could be doing this at the this time. Have you tried using the spoilers as spoilerons? Possible weight savings if ailerons then not needed? Thanks. Laurie. NZ. 😊
Thanks 😊 I have never tried spoilerons. When applying the spoilers I have a significant pitch down effect. Not sure about the effect when used as spoilerons. Would be worth a try. Or better use the alternative RES wings which are designed to work without ailerons. Greetings to NZ, Robert
Tja, wer hat......der hat.😂 👍 Plotter, 3 D-Drucker.....schon Super.
Würde ich auch nie mehr hergeben 😂
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Thanks a lot 😀
Großartig gemachtes Video! Wie ist das Flugverhalten insbesondere in der Thermik im Vergleich zum Helios?
Bindan Propellerleim finde ich übrigens noch besser als Ponal.
Danke! Zum Helios kann ich leider nichts sagen da ich keine praktische Erfahrung mit ihm habe. Generell geht der Triple Neo Thermic schon ziemlich gut in der Thermik. Von der Größe und Gewicht spielen beide in der gleichen Klasse weshalb ich sehr ähnliche Performance erwarten würde.
Danke für den Tipp mit dem Propeller Leim. Werde ich ausprobieren.
Sepre e semplicemente complimenti lavoro super terro di conto del tuo video dato che anche io voglio dotare il mio speed di ali termic
Thanks a lot. Great that you liked it. Did you also see my Flight video of the Triple Neo Thermic? It really flies fantastic. The characteristics change completely just with the different wings. You will like it!
Visto e piaciuto ho aggiunto un like bello veramente
Super 👍
What is the ‘white glue’ that you are using?
The white glue is a wood glue which is ideal for wood/wood joints. I like Ponal Express as it works best for me.
PVA 👍
Thanks. That‘s a better answer than mine. You are right, it is PVA (Polyvinylacetat)
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Thanks 😊🙌
Hi where do you get the long drinking straw from? Can`t find long enough from anyone
I bought them long before they were banned. The only reasonable source I could find is this one: www.kaufland.de/product/461498630/?kwd&source=pla&sid=26391361&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwhfipBhCqARIsAH9msbmTdLspLfRf311gEiItzKiLLQRFrm7ljrDj2U_8gEAeOsrgbpJy6O4aAmGOEALw_wcB
Епоксидната смола освен теглово може да се смесва и обемно. Аз лично смесвам обеми минимум от около половин куб.см и нямам проблеми с втвърдяването. Все пак живея в най бедната част на източна Европа.
Yes, I agree for small amount of epoxy there is not much difference between mixing by weight or by volume. My kitchen scale looks like it has an accuracy of 1 gram but I doubt it is that accurate. In case you are mixing bigger amount of epoxy I think the difference between volume and weight becomes more significant.
Another one of your crappy builds mate! 😜😊 👍👍
Yeah, I know. I try to improve every time… but end up again like that 🤣 Cheers buddy ✌️
Putting flight videos as a separate video is LAME. You do amazing work, then expect us to hunt through RUclips to find the ending? At least link to it after it's posted. Otherwise 9/10!
I really appreciate that you like my work. What I don’t get it this thing about the flight video. Is it so hard to find? If you go to the video description of the build video you‘ll find the link to the flight video. I always thought this would be enough to find it. What platform are you using for RUclips? PC? Mobile? TV? Maybe the video description is a bit hidden on your platform. Where would you expect the link in the video? At the very end? I‘ll check what options I have in YT
@@bavarian_rc Why is it so important to put out two-part videos? You do all this great work, on the plane and in video production, only to frustrate your viewers. If I'm complaining, you know there are plenty of others who feel the same way but simply click away and don't take the time to offer criticism. I am disabled and can't do much except watch tv all day so I have time to offer advice. And I wouldn't take the time to do it on a channel I didn't think had a lot to offer. But if you insist on two-part videos (?), yes, please put part two at the end. But you can't do that until later because you make them at different times. And if you make them at the same time, again, why release them separately? Also, consider labeling them "Part 1" and "Part 2" or "Build Video Only", or something. The frustrating part is to watch the build video (which IS amazing) and right when you expect to see the thing fly you have to play this little game. RUclips is so competitive. It is just too easy to watch some other guy's videos that don't make you go through the little dance. If you are trying to make extra revenue with the second video, I think you are losing just as much by frustrating your viewers. One last thing, in your flight footage, try including more shots from the ground. I know it's challenging to get the planes to show up, but it is this perspective that really shows off how well the planes fly.
Thanks a lot for taking the time to provide this feedback. First to explain why I do separate build and flight videos: The effort to create a flight video is very high (like for the build videos). For example the flight video of the Triple Neo Thermic took around 20-25 flights which were spread over several weeks. To make it all look seamless I also needed to take care to have similar weather conditions. The editing of the video again took me around 3-4 weeks (I am doing this as a hobby!). So you see there is a significant delay between the completion of the build and the availability of the flight video. Therefore I always make a 2 video approach to push out the build video once it is done and then have a separate flight video somewhere after. It significantly reduced the stress on my side (again this is only a hobby for me). I was always thinking that the flight video would be easy to find with the link in the video description but obviously the description is not so easy to access on devices like TV.
Revenues are definitely not an important topic. The flight videos usually have a lot less clicks compared to the build videos. If I compare the effort that goes into the flight videos with the revenues I would immediately need to stop doing them 😂 So far, if I look at the effort put into the creation of the flight video of the Triple Neo Thermic, it made me earn less than 10 Cent per man hour I put into it. Very bad business model!
So I think I need to find a compromise: What I can do is to put an info card (that's the banner on the upper right corner) at the end of the video that links to the flight video (already did this now for the Triple Neo Thermic and Twin Turbo Lidl build videos). In addition I will link on the end screen to the flight video. Normally these links at the end of the video should show up also on TVs.
What I do to find more videos from one creator, I navigate to the creator's channel and then look for other videos I might be interested (not sure this works easily on TVs).
Concerning the shots from the ground you are absolutely right. The problem is that I am usually alone when I am doing the video shooting. So I can't fly the plane and operate the video camera. I was always trying to compensate that by putting a Insta360 camera on a tripod. The issue is that this camera has a super wide angle lens. So to get a good shot of the plane from the ground you almost have to hit the tripod in order to be close enough. For the flight video of the Triple Neo Thermic for the first time I gave my SLR camera to my daughter so that she could film from the ground. She ist just a beginner in filming and had some trouble getting good shots but she will improve over time. So I can promise you that there will be more shots from the ground in the future.
Again thanks a lot for your valuable feedback.
Best regards
Robert
@@bavarian_rc Sure thing. I appreciate your reply. Often when I offer suggestions RUclipsrs just get nasty and tell me off. You do amazing work both with the planes and the videos. I spent a decade building planes and can't do it now, so I love to watch others.
The next build video is already in the make. I hope you'll like it.
Дуже цікаво та неімовірно красиво, але такий обсяг роботи...
Але я ніколи не повірю, що все це не можна зробити на 3Д принтері, за наявності сучасних пластиків та того ж самого карбону.
Вподобайку, та переглядів каналу. Все буде Україна!
Thanks, great that you liked it. Yes, there is a lot of work that goes into such a build but you know there are the RC hobbyists that like building and the ones that like flying… I like both! So spending lots of time with building is part of the fun. Not sure if that big wingspans are already possible with 3D printing but I have already seen gliders that were 3D printed. By the way, you might be interested in my build video and flight video of the Shaka from Flightpoint which is a Ukrainian company. I am just starting another build in a cooperation with Flightpoint. Always happy to support Ukraine! 🇺🇦