I like the way you display a zoomed-in image of the target in the corner of the screen. Makes it super satisfying to see the impact and then hear the ping. The way the bullet hitting the gong made the rain disperse for an instant was really cool too.
Finally getting round to hand loading for my Martini-Henry and looking forward to shooting it for the first time. Your videos have been extremely helpful in getting the information required for the reloads. Keep the videos coming.
Excellent shooting! You're very blessed to have that gorgeous Martini in your collection. I'd love to go up shooting in that area too, it seems like a perfect woods-range.
Precisely why I came here. Was curious to see the actual rifle and its acoustic as well as how it compared to the game. Never realized how much preparation and techniques were involved in proper use of this gun. Congratulations on the amazing video.
Love your videos and your gun. I shoot a Flintlock and love anything black powder. I love the falling block Rifles and found your videos while learning about the Sharps. I really cant thank people who post these videos enough as i have learned most of what i know from learning from them. I thank you sir
I love the rifle, both in game and obviously the real one....but yes, DICE needs to address this over-nerf to one of its most beloved weapons. Controversial isn't always negative, despite minor and poorly formulated complaints. Luckily, i've read DICE is aware that the community is not very happy regarding these new changes....this gave me some hope after all
Good job as always Rob, well done. As to management of fouling and the need to use the cleaning rod and patches because of the breech, I use a pullthrough. It is made from a .303" case and a piece of stout cord. I use a piece of folded domestic floor cloth as the '4 x 2' which is sized to fit very tightly. Two passes seem to clear a fouled barrel quite well.
Duncan Andrews Thank you Duncan. Yes a pull through would work very well. Friends use a commercial "bore snake" with the built in brush and apart from needing to be washed every now-and-again, seems to work well. I think that I should get such an item sometime. I like your home made variety too... I suppose that I was drawing a comparison to a Sharps or Rolling block with their ability of having a rod and patch run down them "at the bench" (or in the prone) from the breech. Very quick and unobtrusive, versus having to get up and either drop the weight down the bore or, in the case of the rod, punch it down the muzzle. Of course, in a military musketry context, wiping wasn't part of the practice, nor was it in contemporary competitions, though blow tubing seems to have been widespread.
Great video, great shooting! I specifically want to thank you so much for showing us all how results can be achieved with pre-made cartridges at remarkable ranges with weapons that some others (Not pointing fingers here) claim to be incapable of with anything except their expensive hardware. And not only that, you show us all this for free, at the expense of your own personal time in putting these videos together and uploading them. AND, you are well-spoken, to the point that I actually find the video well worth the watch for that alone. I take my hat off for you sir, for what it`s worth you have another subscriber!
ToreDL87 I am humbled by your kind comments. You are welcome, and I am very glad that you find something that you find interesting, here on the channel. With a little effort, all black powder weapons have a sweet spot. Sometimes it takes very little effort to find it and sometimes it takes a very, very long time with a great deal of lead expended.... I have been relatively lucky with this Martini... tried a number of loads starting from 75gr and worked up to 85gr... It was the 85gr version that worked the best... Thanks again and thanks for the subby... Cheers.
Thanks for the information on your shooting rest, clever idea to build it to fit the canteen holder. Neat design and looks like it works very well. Thanks for taking the time to shows us.
Mike Palubeskie No problem. You are not the first to ask, so I thought that I'd do an upcoming video about "my shooting kit and what is in it" kind of thing. I'm working on it. The inclusion of some of it in this clip was just a quick demonstration.. More about the design in the dedicated video. Cheers.
Apologies on behalf of the younger generation, let me elaborate: Two months ago a popular video game franchise (Battlefield) released it's new installment which is set during World War 1 (Battlefield 1) and the Martini Henry Rifle is featured in this game. The Martini Henry was possibly the most powerful standard issue rifle in the game (sometimes considered overpowered) that is before it was "nerfed" in a recent update to the game. In gaming terms, to "nerf" a weapon is to basically make sure that the level of damage it does, does not over exceed the average damage of other weapons in the same category. I do hope this helps although it might have been a bit confusing...
Sami Thank you! I still don't have a grip on what the request for a "post-nerf" review meant.... Surely, the real Martini has nothing to do with the game, and I can assure everyone that the Martini and it's capabilities have remained the same since the the re-jigging of the game mechanics. Hence my query. Thanks again!
britishmuzzleloaders haha, "post-nerf reviews" are only said as a joke in reference to the "nerfing" of the weapon in the game. It's basically a little tease!
Found your channel while researching for a tabletop RPG campaign I'm designing. Wonderful work you do here and all of your vids, especially in drscribing minutiae. Thank you, seriously. I don't know how it felt for you shooting while it was raining, but thank you because i got to see how the rifle works in those conditions.
Yet another fine video. It so well shows the potentual of those old weapons. I once ordered three martinis from Sarco and they all went missing via UPS. I ended up with a Martini .303 carbine that was a very tired piece indeed. So I never got to play with the Martini. Such is life.
I know this is two years later and I know you were joking but the answer is, without any doubt, yes. Probably to any part of the body too. A shot to the limb would blow the limb off and you'd likely die of blood loss or infection.
+Jeff Brown Thank you Jeff. The recoil is stout but not harsh. Sort of like the difference between a "boom" and a "crack".... Glad you enjoy things here, on the channel.
I'll have to take mine out for a run soon,after watching your series,I'm getting a twitchy finger, :) ah the smell of black powder smoke,the boom of the shot,the clang of the gong,the black muck in the bore,well 3 of 4 ain't bad and it puts a smile on yer dial. Cheers
145 dislikes, how? it was a great presentation of what the rifle and shooter were capable of. Great shooting and excellent kit, I have subscribed to your channel.
Thank you very much for your sentiments (and subby)... I can't comment on the dislikes... maybe Battlefield 1 gamers expecting something else?... I don't know...
Well done, Sir! I appreciate all of your videos. And I especially appreciate someone willing to shoot these old military pieces in inclement weather. They won't melt, folks. :)
That is some very good shooting, Hitting those steel targets at 400 yards with a 140 year old black powder rifle. Very interesting and excellent shooting.
pdalko Thanks. It was a bit of a chore to get on at the 400yd point but once I got the point of aim right, not to mention the sight setting, the grouping on the plate was substantially less than 20 inches... I was a very happy Martini owner, for sure. Cheers.
Great video. Excellent shooting! I was wondering if you knew of any suppliers that sold cast bullets for the .577-450 and .577 snider in Canada? I was able to buy some from the US last year from buffalo arms but the no longer ship "projectiles" internationally now.
bmp130 Thank you very much... About the bullets, I can't say that I do.... Sorry about that... Casting is really quite easy though... Moulds are easy to come by. I wouldn't recommend any other method if you are shooting any quantity of ammo... Martini bullets are a bit of an odd size and as such, are hard to find already cast. Cheers.
I love practical historical research like this. He’s using a fairly scientific, ordered method to test the antique rifle design under controlled conditions, to show what it can and can’t do. Similar tests on older firearms have shown them to be far more accurate than we nowadays would expect. We shouldn’t turn our noses up at older tech, eh?
That was a good group on target at 400 yards. Great shooting, sir. I can see why they where so excited about smokeless powder though. That cloud of smoke would tell everyone where you where after the first shot. Still, for target shooting black powder just has a certain enjoyable quality. Love the videos.
I had the pleasure of shooting a Martini-Henry once, I was stunned. I was expecting it to be a clunky something or other but found it was slim and light, much more like a winchester than a mauser. Was shooting (standing) at a manhole cover from 200 yards (using brass turned on a lathe!) and hitting it about every other shot. That must have been a very intimidating weapon from that time, it's an extremely faithful firearm.
It was. He was a collector and had quite a few Martini-Henrys. He even had two small ones (babes), I don’t remember the cartridge for it but they weren’t nearly as impressive as the 45 cal ones. I can’t imagine why they were even made but he was crazy about them. He said the 45 cal brass cost 12 bucks each and only lasted about 3 shots. I told him he should anneal the brass both before and after sizing but I don’t think he knew what I was talking about. It was an experience though!
Really enjoying your videos and tempted to fire my Martini Henry MkII. We have much stricter gun laws here in the UK but will look into seeing what's possible at Bisley, which is near me. Well done and thank you.
Another great video. I envy the country side you have available to you for shooting in & some amazing echoes going on. The first shot in particular sounded just like the soundtrack from Zulu. When cleaning my Martini I find it all too easy to leave a Crud ring at the point in the barrel where it starts to "widen out" & lead into the chamber. At that point I have to switch to a brush & patch which will spread out.
Peter Martini I just focus a wet patch at the chamber and that seems to get rid of the crud ring.... Followed by a couple of dry ones of course.... The funniest sound moment in Zulu is when, towards the end, a cease fire is given by Stanley Baker, I think, and in an instant, all is quiet.... no echo or anything... A bit of a slip-up in the sound engineers' office, I should think.... Great movie, too bad it wasn't more representative of history though... Thanks for your comments Peter. Always a pleasure.
Fantastic video...as always. On the topic of fouling; how big of an issue was it in combat? How much shooting could be done before the weapon stops working?
tw203809 Hi there. Thanks, I 'm glad you liked the clip. As for fouling, I haven't done a "torture test" (nor do I suppose that I will) to see if I can get it to jam up... That said, I have had occasions when fouling has fallen back into the chamber, as is evidenced when I see it stuck on the case when I pry it out before firing... IE, I have gone to chamber a round and it doesn't seat properly.... after the requisite "extra grunt" to try and force it home, I realize that it won't so I've had to pry it out or even use the rod to tap it out from the muzzle. On the side of the case is often a chunk or flake of fouling from the immediate breech area stuck to the brass... Once this is flicked off, it typically chambers fine. Jamming issues of the era were as much caused by the cases separating and/or extreme amounts of dirt, dust and debris in the action and on the rounds themselves... Part of the reason that drawn cases were finally issued in the Sudan after enough problems were encountered there with the rolled variety. Long winded, sorry,.... To answer your question directly, I have shoot upwards of 60 rounds (all I can carry in the equipment) with little/no difficulty. Accuracy was certainly affected but as these amounts of ammo seem to get used at closer ranges, you don't really notice it.. When I am shooting more deliberately, I take the time to use some form of fouling management. There will be a video about fouling management and it's affects on accuracy in the near future. It'll be an interesting experiment, for sure. Cheers.
One tip I read in a period book, was to close the lever slowly and gradually. Supposedly it made for a lighter trigger pull, but I never did try it when I had my Mk. II.
@@britishmuzzleloaders I was never fortunate enough to try one, I had an 1877 LSA Mk. II, an 1883 Enfield Mk. III, and an 1887 Mk. IV. All of which, of course, had the later trigger assembly without the tumbler rest. My Citadel .303 was a Mk. I, complete with the brass axis pin, but it had a later trigger assembly fitted.
I am just wondering how a gun like this was actually used in war. I mean its not exactly undercover if you see the noise and smoke that follows a shot. By the time you can take a few shots the infantry under fire can allready run to you? They have had needed a bunch of support in order to become beneficial? However the accuracy does looks awesome! Thanks for the detailed video.
Warfare wasn't undercover then. All armies used the same kind of gunpowder too. Soldiers also fought in larger groups in order to develop enough firepower to stop the enemy from crossing the space between them... By the late Victorian era, they weren't always packed close together in two ranks, but nevertheless, they were, when intending to fight it out, grouped so that their Martinis could bring enough firepower to stop the enemy. Running around, by oneself sniping and hiding wasn't the way battles were fought.
Fascinating channel. I know its not in the spirit of the rifle but have you ever tried using a black powder substitute like pyrodex in your loads? Im a Brit too by the way.
britishmuzzleloaders I ask because aren't the cartridges very expensive? It would make sense to have a reproduced version chambered to something more readily available.
Hank Moody Right, I see where you were going with that. Ammo is a "U-Make" kind of thing so isn't as expensive as if you were buy it from somewhere... There isn't any factory produced Martini ammo around... There are a couple of companies that do make it... Now THAT, is expensive ammo.
Good shooting under these conditions, I never did like the rain running down my neck while shooting. Where did you get the excellent four leg shooting rest from, is there a drawing for it ?
Englishman French Thank you. I made the rest to resemble the mess tin of the era... So I could incorporate it into any equipment I was using and not have it look out of place... I am doing a short video of my shooting equipment and I will include some specs there...
Historical research for me. Excellent video. Looks like this was filmed in BC. Did this rifle ever have a magazine version thus eliminating a need for a blow-fouling tube?
Excellent shooting my friend. Would love to pick up a Martini at some point but I first must have a proper place to load the ammo for it and some a bit more practice loading in general. From what I've seen, .577/450 is a bit tricky to load for.
4192362 Hi there. The sights are quite good so I imagine that I could use the same target out to 500 at least. After that, I should think that I'd need a bigger target frame anyway... The annual musketry qualification was out to 800 yds on a target (at that range) that was 8' wide x 6' high with a three foot aiming mark/bull. Could I do that? Yes, I think that I could... Given the opportunity to ...May take some doing but I think I might be able to once I get some more scouting done... That would be really great. Cheers.
J.L. Roberts No I haven't yet... Suffice it to say, that when I find a Snider of my liking, then "May the Snider Series commence!!". Definitely on the "will do" list though. Cheers.
I have two mk II martinis' can you tell me what powder load your using ?? I was using 65 grains of 2F and firing way over the top of the target at 100 yrds. I also have two snyders, i love those grand old rifles !!
TheDave570 Hi there.. I use 85gr FFg with a 460gr GG bullet. Can't comment on your rifles, in particular the condition of the front sight... You can always add some metal by soldering on a small brass piece and then filing to suit.... Not really "permanent", but solid enough. Cheers.
britishmuzzleloaders Thanks ! I'll try that soldering and see if i can bring the sight picture down a bit! Also if you have the time, how about a short video on charging and loading some 450/577 rounds ??
Always come back to this video after a long range outing with my mk4. I found with goex old Eynsford, will still shoot a six o'clock POA up to 400yds. Martinis ( with a fair bit of concentration ) are certianly capable striking AND grouping on a man sized target at distances MODERN military's train marksmanship.
Seriously considering buying one soon. Been watching a lot of videos on reloading the rounds. You should do the qualification course and invite some people. I'm sure there would be interest.
Another excellent video with a quality soundtrack. I've been wondering just how accurate the Martini's were. One in good shooting condition is at the top of my acquisition list. thanks for posting, 400 yds with open sights takes some serious marksmanship skills
After every 5 rounds or so the rifle should be cleaned. Now would they have had the time to do that let's say for example at the battle at Rorke's Drift?
This is from a target shooting standpoint... The cleaner the rifle (or more importantly the consistency of the fouling in the barrel) the better... of course this would not apply to the battlefield.... although routine weapons maintenance is a daily part of work whether involved in a battle or not.
That technique with the two shells is pure genius.
I like the way you display a zoomed-in image of the target in the corner of the screen. Makes it super satisfying to see the impact and then hear the ping.
The way the bullet hitting the gong made the rain disperse for an instant was really cool too.
Yep, the rain just made it better!
This poor guy, has all the comments from gamers, probably has no idea what we're talking about.
I'm slowly getting a grip of it!...
britishmuzzleloaders it must be awesome suddenly getting so many views
Ah well u could call me multicultural, because I love hunting, fishing, cars, guns, and yes gaming.
I'm sure he's happy to have the views
Finally getting round to hand loading for my Martini-Henry and looking forward to shooting it for the first time. Your videos have been extremely helpful in getting the information required for the reloads. Keep the videos coming.
That's great news! Happy that the clips have helped in your reloading efforts. Cheers.
Damn this guy got to rank 10 recon.
This guy invented rank 10 recon..... :-)
Runslik3Wind fr a true battlefield scout 😂😂👍👍👌👌
Runslik3Wind Too bad it was merfed and he needs to.use his blow tune after each round, man that's a long reaload time
Runslik3Wind lolol
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That rifle has an amazing report. Greatly enjoyed this video, loved the patient and methodical style.
Cheers!
The rifle sounds incredible - just the sound alone makes it sound like a powerhouse.
The acoustics are really quite good there, aren't they?
Excellent shooting! You're very blessed to have that gorgeous Martini in your collection. I'd love to go up shooting in that area too, it seems like a perfect woods-range.
WhiteCavendish Thanks! The area is quite spectacular, for sure.
This is pre nerf
looooooooooooool
hahahah good one, u have thumb up from me! xD
Made me laugh m8...
This youtuber probably doesn't know what u are talking about..
1 shot goes through 3 zulus, modern guns are closer to nerf guns. 1 shot from this above waist your dead forsure
Outstanding technique with ammo, rifle, and result.
Thank you!
damn that gunshot sound.
Believe you will see an increase in views on this video as an extremely popular video game, Battlefield 1, features this weapon. (:
Thanks! Hope it appeals!
Precisely why I came here. Was curious to see the actual rifle and its acoustic as well as how it compared to the game. Never realized how much preparation and techniques were involved in proper use of this gun. Congratulations on the amazing video.
Its_Pepper I'm playing bf1 an that was in my suggestion !
The martini is ap Nice in the game
The Video is outdated. The Martin got a Nerf. Thank you Dice
I very much appreciate your knowledge and skill with rifles and gear. Very nice video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
The sound is amazing they really nailed that in BF1 damn
Love your videos and your gun. I shoot a Flintlock and love anything black powder. I love the falling block Rifles and found your videos while learning about the Sharps. I really cant thank people who post these videos enough as i have learned most of what i know from learning from them. I thank you sir
You are most welcome. Happy that you find them enjoyable!
"we have lost the sector"
Allen Rivera objective apples have been taken
Adolf Hitler The Pu55y Slayer objective butter has been lost
Christian Baxter an anti vehicle kit is available near your location
the enemy is halted by our artillery barrier
"The enemy is progressing"
too bad it's nerfed now
taste the rainbow i'm dying😂😂😂😂
taste the rainbow They should introduce the blowholing mechanic to re-buff it...
I love the rifle, both in game and obviously the real one....but yes, DICE needs to address this over-nerf to one of its most beloved weapons. Controversial isn't always negative, despite minor and poorly formulated complaints.
Luckily, i've read DICE is aware that the community is not very happy regarding these new changes....this gave me some hope after all
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You called me, Michael?
Good job as always Rob, well done.
As to management of fouling and the need to use the cleaning rod and patches because of the breech, I use a pullthrough. It is made from a .303" case and a piece of stout cord. I use a piece of folded domestic floor cloth as the '4 x 2' which is sized to fit very tightly. Two passes seem to clear a fouled barrel quite well.
Duncan Andrews Thank you Duncan. Yes a pull through would work very well. Friends use a commercial "bore snake" with the built in brush and apart from needing to be washed every now-and-again, seems to work well. I think that I should get such an item sometime. I like your home made variety too... I suppose that I was drawing a comparison to a Sharps or Rolling block with their ability of having a rod and patch run down them "at the bench" (or in the prone) from the breech. Very quick and unobtrusive, versus having to get up and either drop the weight down the bore or, in the case of the rod, punch it down the muzzle. Of course, in a military musketry context, wiping wasn't part of the practice, nor was it in contemporary competitions, though blow tubing seems to have been widespread.
Duncan Andrews I use a bore snake with a little water.
this is one of the best gun-related YT-Videos I've seen so far. I'm amazed.
That you for your very generous compliment. Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers.
very nice video and shooting. I like how all your gear is authentic. really adds to the quality of the vid.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks.
Great video, great shooting!
I specifically want to thank you so much for showing us all how results can be achieved with pre-made cartridges at remarkable ranges with weapons that some others (Not pointing fingers here) claim to be incapable of with anything except their expensive hardware.
And not only that, you show us all this for free, at the expense of your own personal time in putting these videos together and uploading them.
AND, you are well-spoken, to the point that I actually find the video well worth the watch for that alone.
I take my hat off for you sir, for what it`s worth you have another subscriber!
ToreDL87 I am humbled by your kind comments. You are welcome, and I am very glad that you find something that you find interesting, here on the channel. With a little effort, all black powder weapons have a sweet spot. Sometimes it takes very little effort to find it and sometimes it takes a very, very long time with a great deal of lead expended.... I have been relatively lucky with this Martini... tried a number of loads starting from 75gr and worked up to 85gr... It was the 85gr version that worked the best... Thanks again and thanks for the subby... Cheers.
Thanks for the information on your shooting rest, clever idea to build it to fit the canteen holder. Neat design and looks like it works very well. Thanks for taking the time to shows us.
Mike Palubeskie No problem. You are not the first to ask, so I thought that I'd do an upcoming video about "my shooting kit and what is in it" kind of thing. I'm working on it. The inclusion of some of it in this clip was just a quick demonstration.. More about the design in the dedicated video. Cheers.
Having being involved with ballistics at Oxford university for 17 years I think the videos are extremely good.
Thank you!
Pls make post-nerf review
What on earth are you talking about...
GuerrillaFPS yes !!!!
Apologies on behalf of the younger generation, let me elaborate:
Two months ago a popular video game franchise (Battlefield) released it's new installment which is set during World War 1 (Battlefield 1) and the Martini Henry Rifle is featured in this game. The Martini Henry was possibly the most powerful standard issue rifle in the game (sometimes considered overpowered) that is before it was "nerfed" in a recent update to the game. In gaming terms, to "nerf" a weapon is to basically make sure that the level of damage it does, does not over exceed the average damage of other weapons in the same category. I do hope this helps although it might have been a bit confusing...
Sami Thank you! I still don't have a grip on what the request for a "post-nerf" review meant.... Surely, the real Martini has nothing to do with the game, and I can assure everyone that the Martini and it's capabilities have remained the same since the the re-jigging of the game mechanics. Hence my query. Thanks again!
britishmuzzleloaders haha, "post-nerf reviews" are only said as a joke in reference to the "nerfing" of the weapon in the game. It's basically a little tease!
How can you not love this rifle? It sounds like a canon firing! Thanks for sharing
Cheers!
that's a nice sounding firearm
+DrLeperchaun The way the ground in this location is shaped goes a long way to making it sound so good! The echoes are epic. :-)
@@britishmuzzleloaders there's a storm brewing... Oh no, its a Martini. I'd love that as my ringtone but I'm a complete Luddite
Sounds exactly the same in BF1, well done DICE!
sindarin the battlefield series has some of the best audio effects
Be even better if you could hear footstep locations
Jonny, I'm so glad someone else notices the broken footstep audio
Jonny Chaos i can hear footsteps just fine on my astro a50s. What headset are you using?
*oh wow another never used gun in "realistic game* WELL DONE DICE!
Thanks very much hadn't come across this one. Another informative and enjoyable watch.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Found your channel while researching for a tabletop RPG campaign I'm designing. Wonderful work you do here and all of your vids, especially in drscribing minutiae. Thank you, seriously.
I don't know how it felt for you shooting while it was raining, but thank you because i got to see how the rifle works in those conditions.
Just fine in the rain.... :-)
Nice shooting, great gun and one of the most satisfaing firing sound ever.
That spot has great acoustics for sure... :-) Cheers.
So you're gonna' tell me that one of those rounds to the torso only does 85 damage?
Please.
I just found this channel at random... this guy is a total badass
Yet another fine video. It so well shows the potentual of those old weapons. I once ordered three martinis from Sarco and they all went missing via UPS. I ended up with a Martini .303 carbine that was a very tired piece indeed. So I never got to play with the Martini. Such is life.
That is tragic! How frustrating. Fancy another go? You won't regret owning one.
Let me guess we here cuz of BF1 or just looking at guns lol
6:00 the sound and view 🤌
Great day that was!
Wonderful marksmanship sir!
So is this thing really a one shot kill at 30 meters?
I know this is two years later and I know you were joking but the answer is, without any doubt, yes. Probably to any part of the body too. A shot to the limb would blow the limb off and you'd likely die of blood loss or infection.
Another awesome video. Never tire of watching them. My skinny frame would not do well behind that beast all day. Good on you.
+Jeff Brown Thank you Jeff. The recoil is stout but not harsh. Sort of like the difference between a "boom" and a "crack".... Glad you enjoy things here, on the channel.
why is this guy so fucking cool
Thanks was looking for a video with sound because of bf1.
Good job with this video and keep things like this up :)
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers.
I'll have to take mine out for a run soon,after watching your series,I'm getting a twitchy finger, :) ah the smell of black powder smoke,the boom of the shot,the clang of the gong,the black muck in the bore,well 3 of 4 ain't bad and it puts a smile on yer dial.
Cheers
Yes it does.... yes it does... :-)
This is the best channel on RUclips.
Fantastic video thank you for all you hard work and all the great info.
pigdrt Thank you for your compliment. Glad you found something of interest. Cheers.
145 dislikes, how? it was a great presentation of what the rifle and shooter were capable of. Great shooting and excellent kit, I have subscribed to your channel.
Thank you very much for your sentiments (and subby)... I can't comment on the dislikes... maybe Battlefield 1 gamers expecting something else?... I don't know...
I always breath my controller before shooting the Martini :D
That must be a Battlefield reference... :-)
britishmuzzleloaders it is my friend i came here from battlefield you have earned a subscription :)
Can you do a 360 quickscope?
Well done, Sir! I appreciate all of your videos. And I especially appreciate someone willing to shoot these old military pieces in inclement weather. They won't melt, folks. :)
Cheers! Thanks for that!
Thanks for sharing this piece of history and what you can do with it at 400 yards
You are welcome! Thanks for watching.
That is some very good shooting, Hitting those steel targets at 400 yards with a 140 year old black powder rifle. Very interesting and excellent shooting.
pdalko Thanks. It was a bit of a chore to get on at the 400yd point but once I got the point of aim right, not to mention the sight setting, the grouping on the plate was substantially less than 20 inches... I was a very happy Martini owner, for sure. Cheers.
Great video. Excellent shooting! I was wondering if you knew of any suppliers that sold cast bullets for the .577-450 and .577 snider in Canada? I was able to buy some from the US last year from buffalo arms but the no longer ship "projectiles" internationally now.
bmp130 Thank you very much... About the bullets, I can't say that I do.... Sorry about that... Casting is really quite easy though... Moulds are easy to come by. I wouldn't recommend any other method if you are shooting any quantity of ammo... Martini bullets are a bit of an odd size and as such, are hard to find already cast. Cheers.
Another great effort.
Paul Heiser Thanks! It was good fun.
I love practical historical research like this.
He’s using a fairly scientific, ordered method to test the antique rifle design under controlled conditions, to show what it can and can’t do.
Similar tests on older firearms have shown them to be far more accurate than we nowadays would expect. We shouldn’t turn our noses up at older tech, eh?
Glad you found it interesting, Cheers.
That was a good group on target at 400 yards. Great shooting, sir. I can see why they where so excited about smokeless powder though. That cloud of smoke would tell everyone where you where after the first shot. Still, for target shooting black powder just has a certain enjoyable quality. Love the videos.
Thank you! Lot's of smoke for sure! Especially in the damp, it hangs around and creates a great shooting atmosphere..
i love to using it in battlefield 1
now can i try it in real life?
The slow motion audio is amazing. The round sounds like an artillery shell going down range from the battleship Missouri.
Acoustics were good that day for sure!
I had the pleasure of shooting a Martini-Henry once, I was stunned. I was expecting it to be a clunky something or other but found it was slim and light, much more like a winchester than a mauser. Was shooting (standing) at a manhole cover from 200 yards (using brass turned on a lathe!) and hitting it about every other shot. That must have been a very intimidating weapon from that time, it's an extremely faithful firearm.
Sounds like you had a good time with it!
It was. He was a collector and had quite a few Martini-Henrys. He even had two small ones (babes), I don’t remember the cartridge for it but they weren’t nearly as impressive as the 45 cal ones. I can’t imagine why they were even made but he was crazy about them. He said the 45 cal brass cost 12 bucks each and only lasted about 3 shots. I told him he should anneal the brass both before and after sizing but I don’t think he knew what I was talking about. It was an experience though!
Man battlefield 1 looks great
WOW! That is one cool rifle! The plume of smoke is awesome! Great video :)
Cheers!
Those slash piles look like what we what we have Washington. Are you in B.C.?
Really enjoying your videos and tempted to fire my Martini Henry MkII. We have much stricter gun laws here in the UK but will look into seeing what's possible at Bisley, which is near me.
Well done and thank you.
While I don't live in the UK, I do know man who shoot Martinis regularly. Red tape, yes (like any other arm) but completely doable.
Another great video. I envy the country side you have available to you for shooting in & some amazing echoes going on. The first shot in particular sounded just like the soundtrack from Zulu. When cleaning my Martini I find it all too easy to leave a Crud ring at the point in the barrel where it starts to "widen out" & lead into the chamber. At that point I have to switch to a brush & patch which will spread out.
Peter Martini I just focus a wet patch at the chamber and that seems to get rid of the crud ring.... Followed by a couple of dry ones of course.... The funniest sound moment in Zulu is when, towards the end, a cease fire is given by Stanley Baker, I think, and in an instant, all is quiet.... no echo or anything... A bit of a slip-up in the sound engineers' office, I should think.... Great movie, too bad it wasn't more representative of history though... Thanks for your comments Peter. Always a pleasure.
rip martini henry:(
as always some cracking shooting!. great vid
donoghue666 Cheers. Glad you enjoyed it!
were are you in this, it looks beautiful there
I came here from a BF 1 video. And alls i got to say is thats one badass dude right there.
Fantastic video...as always. On the topic of fouling; how big of an issue was it in combat? How much shooting could be done before the weapon stops working?
tw203809 Hi there. Thanks, I 'm glad you liked the clip. As for fouling, I haven't done a "torture test" (nor do I suppose that I will) to see if I can get it to jam up... That said, I have had occasions when fouling has fallen back into the chamber, as is evidenced when I see it stuck on the case when I pry it out before firing... IE, I have gone to chamber a round and it doesn't seat properly.... after the requisite "extra grunt" to try and force it home, I realize that it won't so I've had to pry it out or even use the rod to tap it out from the muzzle. On the side of the case is often a chunk or flake of fouling from the immediate breech area stuck to the brass... Once this is flicked off, it typically chambers fine. Jamming issues of the era were as much caused by the cases separating and/or extreme amounts of dirt, dust and debris in the action and on the rounds themselves... Part of the reason that drawn cases were finally issued in the Sudan after enough problems were encountered there with the rolled variety.
Long winded, sorry,.... To answer your question directly, I have shoot upwards of 60 rounds (all I can carry in the equipment) with little/no difficulty. Accuracy was certainly affected but as these amounts of ammo seem to get used at closer ranges, you don't really notice it.. When I am shooting more deliberately, I take the time to use some form of fouling management. There will be a video about fouling management and it's affects on accuracy in the near future. It'll be an interesting experiment, for sure. Cheers.
Very good. Thanks for the info
One tip I read in a period book, was to close the lever slowly and gradually. Supposedly it made for a lighter trigger pull, but I never did try it when I had my Mk. II.
The Mk I has a very light trigger to begin with...
@@britishmuzzleloaders I was never fortunate enough to try one, I had an 1877 LSA Mk. II, an 1883 Enfield Mk. III, and an 1887 Mk. IV. All of which, of course, had the later trigger assembly without the tumbler rest. My Citadel .303 was a Mk. I, complete with the brass axis pin, but it had a later trigger assembly fitted.
Thanx for doing this video, I ha a martini but need to repairit, its one of those Nepaliz models, I love these old single shots!
You are welcome!
I am just wondering how a gun like this was actually used in war. I mean its not exactly undercover if you see the noise and smoke that follows a shot. By the time you can take a few shots the infantry under fire can allready run to you? They have had needed a bunch of support in order to become beneficial? However the accuracy does looks awesome!
Thanks for the detailed video.
Warfare wasn't undercover then. All armies used the same kind of gunpowder too. Soldiers also fought in larger groups in order to develop enough firepower to stop the enemy from crossing the space between them... By the late Victorian era, they weren't always packed close together in two ranks, but nevertheless, they were, when intending to fight it out, grouped so that their Martinis could bring enough firepower to stop the enemy. Running around, by oneself sniping and hiding wasn't the way battles were fought.
Thank you that makes sense :-D
Your moustache looks like it could kick my ass.
Jokes aside, great video, entertaining and informative.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
Love the noise this gun makes.
Here, let me assemble this ikea table in my costume before I shoot my target.
You'd be surprised about how many people asked about it....
Fascinating channel. I know its not in the spirit of the rifle but have you ever tried using a black powder substitute like pyrodex in your loads? Im a Brit too by the way.
No, I have never used those... from all accounts, they are very bad on brass...
Are these being reproduced at all?
No. Do they need to be? They are readily available through antique dealers and IMA.
britishmuzzleloaders I ask because aren't the cartridges very expensive? It would make sense to have a reproduced version chambered to something more readily available.
Hank Moody Right, I see where you were going with that. Ammo is a "U-Make" kind of thing so isn't as expensive as if you were buy it from somewhere... There isn't any factory produced Martini ammo around... There are a couple of companies that do make it... Now THAT, is expensive ammo.
That shooting rest looks brilliant, are the plans available anywhere?
In the "Shooting Kit of a Modern Victorian Rifleman" video. Cheers.
Good shooting under these conditions, I never did like the rain running down my neck while shooting. Where did you get the excellent four leg shooting rest from, is there a drawing for it ?
Englishman French Thank you. I made the rest to resemble the mess tin of the era... So I could incorporate it into any equipment I was using and not have it look out of place... I am doing a short video of my shooting equipment and I will include some specs there...
what is the caliber of the rounds you use in the martini?
nm i found your bullet vids .. good info ty.
Incredibly informative and well made. Cheers!
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.
Historical research for me. Excellent video. Looks like this was filmed in BC. Did this rifle ever have a magazine version thus eliminating a need for a blow-fouling tube?
No, the rifle never had a magazine,... which really has nothing to do with fouling management, BTW....
@@britishmuzzleloaders Your explanation of blow-fouling in this video is clear. Thanks for the reply.
Subbed! Very thorough and has great attention to detail
Subbed myself, same reason! Best Martini-Henry video so far ive seen, LOVE IT!
Thanks!
I love this video
Great! Glad you liked it.
britishmuzzleloaders you are so frekin cool
Keir Jones C'mon now... no cooler than anybody else...
britishmuzzleloaders we both know that your awesome
Andy Black 99 damage hit :me WAT ThE FUCK
YAY! Best weapon of Battlefield 1 :D
But you need to be super accurate to use it
CALTRA just aim for body and you'll be fine
sgcocking87 My loadout is Martini with Kolibri :D
Got 32 kills with kolibri till now
CALTRA it got nerfed
Mortadah Asaad My life is over now T_T
Excellent shooting my friend. Would love to pick up a Martini at some point but I first must have a proper place to load the ammo for it and some a bit more practice loading in general. From what I've seen, .577/450 is a bit tricky to load for.
MrHondaguy1 Maybe this might help??? ruclips.net/video/l7DDGgE0wU8/видео.html
Love the sound :D
Excellent video and shooting.
What sort of distance do you feel you could take the Martini Henry out to?
4192362 Hi there. The sights are quite good so I imagine that I could use the same target out to 500 at least. After that, I should think that I'd need a bigger target frame anyway... The annual musketry qualification was out to 800 yds on a target (at that range) that was 8' wide x 6' high with a three foot aiming mark/bull. Could I do that? Yes, I think that I could... Given the opportunity to ...May take some doing but I think I might be able to once I get some more scouting done... That would be really great. Cheers.
Excellent video. Have you done one on snider accuracy yet?
J.L. Roberts No I haven't yet... Suffice it to say, that when I find a Snider of my liking, then "May the Snider Series commence!!". Definitely on the "will do" list though. Cheers.
i can see the guy has reached level 10 as a sniper
I have two mk II martinis' can you tell me what powder load your using ?? I was using 65 grains of 2F and firing way over the top of the target at 100 yrds. I also have two snyders, i love those grand old rifles !!
TheDave570 Hi there.. I use 85gr FFg with a 460gr GG bullet. Can't comment on your rifles, in particular the condition of the front sight... You can always add some metal by soldering on a small brass piece and then filing to suit.... Not really "permanent", but solid enough. Cheers.
britishmuzzleloaders Thanks ! I'll try that soldering and see if i can bring the sight picture down a bit! Also if you have the time, how about a short video on charging and loading some 450/577 rounds ??
TheDave570 Like this one? ruclips.net/video/l7DDGgE0wU8/видео.html
britishmuzzleloaders Yep, Thanks! great video. I just was curious to see if your methods matched mine. They do !!
Always come back to this video after a long range outing with my mk4. I found with goex old Eynsford, will still shoot a six o'clock POA up to 400yds. Martinis ( with a fair bit of concentration ) are certianly capable striking AND grouping on a man sized target at distances MODERN military's train marksmanship.
Nice! It takes a bit of work, but yes they do!
Seriously considering buying one soon. Been watching a lot of videos on reloading the rounds. You should do the qualification course and invite some people. I'm sure there would be interest.
I should, should I? :-) .... gotta get to it first, my friend... projects, projects, projects.
Where you shoot looks exactly like western Oregon. Great videos
Go north by a few hours and enter another country and you'll be close. :-)
As others have said that sound is a pleasure for the ears.
+chap0syoutuification Excuse me.... I can't hear you... WAY too much echo in here... :-)
I have to ask, where is that uniform from?
It's not really a uniform. It's just a Canadian pattern bush jacket.
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Subbed to your channel. I love Enfields and black powder.
Thank You!
Another excellent video with a quality soundtrack. I've been wondering just how accurate the Martini's were. One in good shooting condition is at the top of my acquisition list. thanks for posting, 400 yds with open sights takes some serious marksmanship skills
Bob Heale Thanks Bob. Glad you liked the music. Look forward to hearing of your efforts with your soon-to-be-new Martini!
britishmuzzleloaders taking one down and shooting it at the Quigley match is on my bucket list
In the 18 hundreds did they have Bic lighters?
After every 5 rounds or so the rifle should be cleaned. Now would they have had the time to do that let's say for example at the battle at Rorke's Drift?
This is from a target shooting standpoint... The cleaner the rifle (or more importantly the consistency of the fouling in the barrel) the better... of course this would not apply to the battlefield.... although routine weapons maintenance is a daily part of work whether involved in a battle or not.
britishmuzzleloader You are right ofcourse.
Man, what an awesome video! Thank you for sharing this! Just subscribed.👌🏻
What is the muzzle velocity? It seems like a three second travel time to 400 yards.
About 1250 fps