"Okay, buddy, would you like us to do now?". Real ATC Audio
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You do not enter controlled airspace without permission. Period. No exceptions. If you have to make 360 turns until comms is established, you do so! This is not a difficult rule to follow. Sheesh!
Being a d-bag to ATC will help the pilot 0.00000% of the time.
A simple, "my bad" would have been the end of it. Instead, the idiot talked himself into a pilot deviation.
@@briansmyla8696How are you aware that he was fired? That's not something that gets announced.
@@briansmyla8696FAR PART 91.129(c)1 Arrival or through flight. Each person must establish two-way radio communications with the ATC facility (including foreign ATC in the case of foreign airspace designated in the United States) providing air traffic services prior to entering that airspace and thereafter maintain those communications while within that airspace.
The fact that the pilot/examiner failed to establish 2-way communications with the ATC facility clearly indicates he violated that provision of the FAR. The controller may have been less than tactful and may have a work history that maybe indicates a less than stellar employee, but in this particular instance the controller was technically correct and I recognize the frustration with a pilot with a smart a$$’d mouth. It’s incumbent on an FAA Examiner to exude professionalism at all times. This one clearly did not, and not only that, he set a poor example for the student pilot which unforgivable. He should have had his designation revoked for that egregious conduct!
@@briansmyla8696a designated examiner is not a government employee.
You can’t enter airspace if you “deem it to be safe”. Come on man.
Adding "buddy" to the phraseology now
Don’t forget Johnny. I’m sure that’s in the AIM somewhere too.
Wow a quick "oh my, sorry about that we were handed off from approached and figured we were good to come on in" would have probably avoided a lot of the issues... I'm glad I don't have such a demenior like this pilot, but I'm not a CFI yet. LOL.
If he didn't have an attitude, probably wouldn't have been labeled a deviation.
Better altitude than attitude.
So much easier to apologize. Takes a few seconds, and you move on with your day. When you get in a pissing contest sometimes you run into someone with a much larger bladder.
Yes true. Like your analogy
Controller was fired over this. If I was the pilot, I wouldn't have backed down. This pilot was vindicated. I would also have been vindicated for not backing down.
@@briansmyla8696he wasn’t fired. And we don’t need pilots like you to share our airspace with.
@@briansmyla8696 ratio. good try lol
GOSH I wish those phone calls were public record. I would so love to hear them.
They are. But if they are recorded is another matter.
@@SM-Flyers I believe all communications with the tower are recorded.
You can FOIA them, but then you have to pay for them.
@@vsavatar Yes, the question is: how much?
Harrison Ford's deviation phone call was acquired and placed online.
Pilot talked himself into a deviation. Being polite helps a person in life.
You can sense the tension in the silence as the ATC decides it’s futile to argue with these clowns :D
That pilot is a typical arrogant snowflake who has no idea how to operate in the system.
I guess the woman in the cockpit may have had an influence ...
@@BertFlanders don't need a women in the area to be retarded beyond belief. You proved it right there with your sexist attitude.
Probably student and instructor. My guess is the instructor got ahead of his skis.
@@BertFlanders yup - the moron probably trying to impress his lady co-pilot with his condescending tone.
people still use the word snowflake? wow you boomers are truly something haha... that's not a compliment.
The instructor pilot was a dink!
Holy crap, why on earth do they have to be so aggressive?
Pimple faced showoff, puffing out his non-hairy little chest for his pretty little fem student pilot. I’d insist he have her on the call and speakerphone too, since she was flying the plane. Let her hear him eat crow and turn into a limp noodle. He should have immediately been fired by the school. Buddy, Johnny, Sport, Boomer, etc are not something you want to use to authority, whether you like bending the knee to them or not. Bye CFI, enjoy paying for your own hours now.
My guess is because he knew the controller was intentionally not acknowledging his transmissions. But that is just a guess.
@@overhead18oh that is BS.
Narcissistic personality disorder.
Cause he was embarrassed in front of his student.
Bad on the instructor I can tell you from experience at a busy airport your orbit outside the airspace until you are cleared in. The only exception to this is an emergency and you need priority handling to not crash your aircraft. To just fly into a controlled airspace demonstrates a lack of understanding to the rules and respect to the airspace. The arrogance is just beyond what is expected of a professional. I hope some lesson was learned from this.
The correct thing would be for ATC to convene a court of inquiry right there on the air, and they could get attorneys and everything set up to teach this guy a lesson. Everyone else in the airspace would have to wait and fend for themselves.
This is definiterly an instructor trying to show muscle to his student in the system. ATC 1 Pilot 0.
This shows the mentality of people these days, rules don’t apply anymore because we let everyone get away with everything… it’s truly disgusting!
The old I’ve got a phone number for you - checkmate lol 😅
Not really, you have to call, and in this situation talk to the same dude you were just talking to on the radio. The controller will not file a report unless he/she knows they were correct. And, if in fact, the controller ignored without acknowledging the planes transmission they are not going to file that report.
@@overhead18nope, they usually talk to the facilities manager, not the controller.
The controller is allowed to ignore if he is too busy with other things. I used to have to wait outside class D as well, until they were ready for me. No big deal.
I wonder who the pilot was, she or he. Anyway, it takes an idiot to unnecessarily screw a simple situation like this, when simple "sorry, we thought we were cleared and you were busy" would be probably enough.
You are so right. Same thing happens on the ground. All over RUclips are morons who are pulled over for a very simple infraction--a warning or a misdemeanor--and get aggressive with the cops and turn the situation into one or more felonies and jail. Geez.
There is no "we thought we were cleared". The controller either repeated your callsign back to you or he/she did not. They do not need to "clear" anything in class D or C, they simply have to say your callsign. Once that happens, you enter.
You can clearly tell it was a male. You some kind of woke moron?
Totally different situation, but a Western jet understood the system when he told me “You guys always get the last word.” I worked that airspace for many, many moons and I’m 100% sure that the SoCal controller terminated flight following and told him to call FUL tower. That is NOT clearance into the Delta. Just calling the tower is NOT establishing two-way radio communication!
Wow. What a change of demeanor once told to have a pen ready. lmao. what a tool.
$10 says he's the younger version of the guy with the video where he starts out "this is how I went about shopping for my jet" as if it was about as exciting as buying a lawnmower.
No one can be wrong in their actions this day and age. You try to correct someone it is instantly an aggressive response and pushing the blame back to you. You need to accept the situation, be humble, move on. Everyone makes mistakes, it isn't a death sentence.
Imagine how many phone calls would be occuring if we had possible driver deviations noted on the roadways.
There wouldn't be a phone bank large enough.
What's the date of this?
I could have sworn I have heard this one before.
The skies are not so friendly after all 👍
That's the registered's home airport. It's possible, if this attitude is consistent, why the controller was handling other priorities first.
The second he was told to call the tower he want from a D-bag to a 'yes sir' type of person. The tone in his voice even sounds different. Apologies to the student, hope she gets a new CFI.
Not only did they fuck up, but then he's an asshole about....Reminds me of that dude that busted the Vegas Bravo for 20nm & then chewed out the controller for not clearing him...Wonder if its the same dude -- ya think? There certainly a marked increase in the last 3-4 years of the number of douche bags, both in the air & in the tower - that's absolutely noticeable day-to-day.
Sounds like this pilot is a real Karen!
His whole demeanor changed as soon as he was told to get a pen.
Yeah, I suspect he gets away with this stuff elsewhere.
Even worse it sounded like it was his/their home airport
Another incompetent flyer with an attitude flying a C172...day after day, week after week...
There are so many jerks in this world.
Some pretty serious flaws in this airman's training and execution, or lack thereof.
If I were ATC, I would have instructed him to exit my airspace and then request he asks for permission to re-enter if he chooses.
Hi, I disagree because the tower controller wanted the plane to land so the pilots would be checkmated into copying down the phone number. If the tower told the pilots to exit the Delta, they could have gone somewhere else and not acknowledged the Brasher.
@@JustSayN2Othat means nothing. They have the registration of the airplane. They can easily track down the pilot.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 I agree with you completely. I still believe the controller wanted the pilots to land so he could personally administer the Brasher, rather than call it in to approach or center somewhere.
@@JustSayN2O yup, you might be right.
One should not get Sky Rage....It is not safe.
There are more than one.
What are the consequences for pilot deviations? Can a pilot lose their license or is it just a fine?
Possible 90 day suspension. Not for the attitude, but for the failure to follow regulations.
This kid needs his license pulled for a few months.
Nice work on this video. I liked it.
Half of the captions are wrong, but sure...
I have damaged eyes so I missed that bit. Thanks for letting me know!
Edit: You are right. There are some Sirious errors lol. The subtitles were kind of quick for me so I was focusing on the map. It's okay, I mean the audio is what interested me.
Seen these types before. Bratty usually comes from money and has never been told no in their life.
Absolutely agree with you. Plenty of this type in my area. They don't stop for neighborhood stop signs.
You do not address the tower as "Buddy" or "Johnny"! FAA regs clearly state that you must use Ace, Slick, Hot Shot or Big Guy. What the heck was this pilot thinking?
I hope that's not a student and a CFI. Every pilot knows the rules of established communication for D and C. Even on a handoff, if you don't establish communication you may need to do a few 360s until you do.
@@apackwestbound5946 unfortunately, I believe your assessment to be correct. The real question is who allows these individuals to complete training and pass a checkride?
ATC had an attitude problem as well.
He just had to come back and call him something else. What a douche bag.
Too many American pilots have a bad attitude.
Wasn't this guy a CFI on a flight with a student?
Most likely, yes. That is why he was so hostile. He was embarrassed in front of his client.
Caption error at 0:27 "So ah, we have--that was our FIFTH call."
Brasher warning. Hard PD.
I'm not saying the pilot was right, but anyone familiar with KFUL knows this ATC is a jerk and has been for many years.
Question what will happen to the pilot after the call ?
Likely a slap the wrist, at most a 90 day suspension and maybe some remedial training.
Don’t bring your otherwise real world attitude, entitlement and ego into the sky. Stop acting like you wrongly do when driving on the 405.
Brasher warning for a brash pilot.
Pilot was at fault, don't get me wrong, but "I don't care if it's ten times!" is also "aggressive in tone" and not simply "trying to smoother it over."
Who's Johnny?
There was one guy named Johnny, but he was a total geek, he always had food in his braces
Answer me, Debbie, who's Johnny?
Oh god, this is like that movie Citizen Kane
You know, where you later find out Rosebud was a sled?
But we'll never know who Johnny was 'cause, like, she's dead
Despite OldRighty's excellent Julie Brown lyrics, the pilot is making a reference to a character in the movie Airplane! who is a controller.
I have been an IFR pilot for nearly 20 years. If the pilot was in fact handed off from center or approach, he most likely had been cleared for the visual and in fact had clearance into the Class D. If the tower guy was too busy handling traffic on the ground to take the call from the plane, he probably also missed the call from approach/center. Even if he was on VFR Flight Following, if he was handed off to the tower he was in contact. But the plane could have saved himself some grief by not being an asshole.
This was a VFR aircraft. Approach doesn’t contact a class D tower to hand off. This is socal approach. They deal with LAX, BUR, VNY, LGB, SNA etc. These are busy airports with heavy IFR traffic. They are not going to talk to a class d airport about a VFR airplane.
@@apackwestbound5946 your analysis is right on.
You need to go back and talk to your instructor, weekend flyer. I’ve been an instructor for nearly 30 years and an airline pilot for a good amount of that time too. You are not allowed to enter delta airspace without establishing communications with the tower prior, even if you were cleared for a visual approach by an approach controller. This is why they hand you off to tower prior to entering their airspace. You are dead wrong.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183
Even on IFR flight plan, he would still have to establish communications with tower prior to entry. Yes, they may know he is coming, but it doesn’t change the fact.
@@SpaceDad42 not on an IFR flight. He will be talking to approach control, even when entering the class D.
An IFR aircraft can’t stay clear of a class D if for some reason they can’t reach the tower.
It would be helpful to hear how many calls it actually was from the handoff from approach to the tower before the tower answered the pilot. The FAA rules about entering class D and/or C airspace drive this sort of stuff. The tower controllers know as soon as they acknowledge your transmission they are giving you permission to enter, they don't have to say it, once they repeat your callsign you are good to go. I certainly understand non-pilots or folks that don't fly in controlled airspace often don't get this, but those are the rules. The approach controller can vector you in for or approve an ILS or RNAV or even VFR approach to an airport, the "rules" say you cannot enter that airspace until the tower controller acknowledges your existence. We would not expect a passenger jet to break off an approved RNAV or ILS approach because the tower controller refused to acknowledge them at the airspace boundary. The proper response from a busy controller is "aircraft calling, stand by" or "aircraft calling, remain outside the airspace". Ignoring the calls to avoid the issue is not an option, or should not be an option. I could be being unfair to the controller, but from his transmissions here it sounds like to me he knows this and it sounds like to me he intentionally ignored their calls.
I'm agreeing with you. Sounds like another FAA reject in a contract tower. Pilot should have just stayed out of the class D though. It's just a few miles. Sounds like there may be some history between these two.
Staying out is an option, but if he made a bunch of calls and the controller continued to ignore him and assuming he has to land at that airport in the Class D he is sort of screwed...or he and his student are screwed.
@@overhead18nope, you are incorrect with your assessment. The two way radio established requirement is ONLY for VFR aircraft. So an IFR aircraft that comes in on an approach, two way radio is no longer a requirement. Just like an IFR flight doesn’t need to hear the words: “you are cleared into class B”. That is only for VFR aircraft.
So if you are VFR and are not getting through to a class D tower, you simply wait. You have no idea what the controller is dealing with.
Back in the 1990s, I was an instructor at Niagara Falls airport. (KIAG). It was an airport, shared with the Airforce. Back then, they had F16s. Those guys were talking to tower on “channels” and not frequencies we could hear. So the controller would sometimes ignore us, because they were dealing with the F16s. We simply waited.
@@billfly2186FAA reject? The ones I knew were retired FAA controller from JFK.
Arrival aircraft was handed off from Approach Control and Tower was told intentions. This is clearly a total asshole controller. When I worked as a Tower Manager, the controller would have had a number to call, mine!
You were not a tower manager. Or you would know this is a VFR aircraft that’s not handed off from Approach control. Approach is for a different airport. (Class D doesn’t have approach). So approach wouldn’t communicate with a class D tower about VFR traffic.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 you are uninformed! Any VFR aircraft can have approach control provide them traffic advisory service into any airport that the radar covers. The pilot said he cane over from approach control.
@@WWPlaysHoldem traffic advisory service around the class D, not through/inside the class D. The approach controller has to have the pilot switch to the class D tower, before it enters their airspace.
It’s a different story for class C approach and the airplane landing at the class c airport. Or class B approach and the airplane is landing at the class B. But that’s not what this is.
This isn’t a flight sim.
You are either not a controller or one that knows about as much as this “pilot” does. You are dead wrong.
Was clearly on flight following and socal gave a very late handover. Tower read his call sign which cleared him into delta.....even if he said is that you. No miscoms between socal and tower on this one.
If he's on flight following and socal gave him a frequency change to the tower, he was talking to the tower and cleared into delta.
If that wasn't true, we'd all have to make that initial call to the tower telling them we've got atis and stating inbound for landing. That's all done for us when we have flight following.
Instructor was right to be angry....this phonecall should have been about a possible tower deviation.
Ant then again, maybe he wasn't on flight following and you need to find an excuse to blame authority for a douche acting like a douche.
Where do you get all this? There is no handover for VFR flight following. SoCal is busy enough with all the other airports. Basically, when SoCal tells you to contact tower, you can assume the tower knows nothing about you.
Also, the tower did not respond with the guy’s call sign.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183I think you need to listen to it again and read what I said carefully.
Maybe visit your local tower to find out how flight following works?
He was cleared into delta the second tower uttered his tail number and it doesn't matter what context that was used.
@@davet11 No one is denying that he was "in contact" with the tower once the "is that you" call was made by ATC. It's all the time before that... between the time the pilot entered the class D and that call, that represented the deviation. You state as a fact that there was a late handover. Where did you get this information? Can you please cite the source so we can vet it for ourselves?
ATC: 1.
Pilot: 0.
Fullerton born and raised. Was a line boy there for a while. Learned to fly at KFUL.
You were or he was?
@@SpaceDad42 Me.
Tower controller should have been fired for this!
lol good try
ATC was in the reading attitude that wasn't there.
I guess they just hand out pilot licenses like candy at Halloween now. 🎃
Maybe. Or maybe the dude has some disorder, like bipolar, where he’s sometimes he’s got a significantly altered personality. Maybe when this dude gets a manic episode, he becomes a massive asshole really easily. Or maybe he’s on a substance. My brother becomes this type of asshole when drinking, for example. It’s pretty clear that’s not the personality he was using when he got his license. It may need to be investigated why his current personality is so unsuited for aviation.
I'm sorry but I fail to understand. He's cleared by approach control. He calls the tower. The tower eventually answers and says "You can't fly into my airspace without talking to me...." Uh, where is he supposed to fly if he's calling tower and tower isn't responding? He's been cleared by approach. They's said "see ya" and he then calls tower. He can't just turn around. I'm at a loss as to why the tower controller was being such a jerk.
If you haven't established comms with the tower, you circle outside the airspace boundary until you can get a word in edgewise. I've had to do it a few times.
@@hughjardon5101 So what if he's not? Neither am I but I see no problem in him or anyone else joining the discussion.
@@stephenp448 Until the tower answers your words with your N-number. I know you knew that and I'm not trying to be brash. I just want the non-pilots here to understand how this works.
@@ScottDLRthis an airplane that’s not on an instrument flight, but on a visual flight.
So what Glen asked, about being cleared by approach etc, would be a valid point for a plane on an instrument flight plan. But on a visual flight plan, you are expected to simply navigate outside the airspace (which is a circle of 5 miles around the airport and at 4000 feet and below).
Just do a bit of flying around at 6 miles away and you will be fine. The moment the tower responds to you with your registration number or call sign, you can enter.
Again, this is only for aircraft flying under visual rules.
@@hughjardon5101 a clearance is not required in class D, only requirement is to establish two way radio.
Should we now say: You are obviously not a pilot then…. We hope!
In One nation under CCTV, every broken window is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
But don't make incriminating statements standing in broken glass.
I can't tell how many times I had to circle outside an airspace waiting for the tower to make contact. That is piloting 101 and of course it's a California pilot. The "it's all about me state".
Yeah, because we never see any of this behavior in any other state... 🙄
I was taught when atc is busy as hell to use your ident button it will let them know you need something quick and they can work you in asap
I see that behavior far more from texas than cali but it's a pretty distinct indicator of political afiliation based on which state you view that as. You're probably a republican, you can guess I'm a democrat.
@@alphamaccao5224 You're both American.
@@alphamaccao5224 Because political affiliation determines whether you're right or you're wrong...get over yourself.
A new era. This is what entitled, selfish brats sound like. Coming to a airline that has DEI hiring soon.
Sounded like the tower was the aggressive one.
How high are you right now?
@@SpaceFrawgHi! How are you?
@@SpaceFrawg At least he's civil.
@@ScottDLR
I don't disagree that he was being civil, I wanted to highlight how wrong I think he is, perhaps I was being hyperbolic but, I didn't call him any names or use any fowl language so your implication that I was being uncivil leaves me with only one question... How high are you right now?
What a tool