How to Transfer Data to Your New Samsung S23/Ultra From Android & iPhone

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  • Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024

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  • @TechnicallyAlex
    @TechnicallyAlex  Год назад +7

    Samsung S23: First Things to Do: ruclips.net/video/k8thEpyl7lc/видео.html

    • @olgesbibo
      @olgesbibo Год назад

      Can you make a video on how to transfer files using smart switch but when the old phone screen is burnt and gone full white its accessible but you cant see nothing on it. I would really appreciate if you do that because my S20 Ultra 5G had this issue as many S20 Ultras and now I dont know how to get my data from it using this method, I would really appreciate your help.

  • @carlosbrazilusa
    @carlosbrazilusa 11 месяцев назад +28

    Great assistance. I'm a 73 year old man and with your video I was able to, ALONE, transfer all my data and apps from my S22+ to S23+😃

  • @Trexa123
    @Trexa123 Год назад +27

    I’m brand new to the Samsung game (coming from iPhone). Thank you SO much for the detailed walk through & suggestions throughout your video!! Can’t tell you how helpful this was for me ❤

    • @TechnicallyAlex
      @TechnicallyAlex  Год назад +1

      Glad I could help!

    • @sukhmanbal7057
      @sukhmanbal7057 Год назад

      hey would u recommend anyone to switch from iphone to android coz i am very skeptical to do it

    • @Trexa123
      @Trexa123 Год назад +3

      @@sukhmanbal7057 oh absolutely!! My opinion only, but Samsung is far superior to iPhone in almost every way. I've been an iPhone user since it first launched. Couldn't be happier with this switch! Don't get me wrong, there is a definite learning curve as Android and Apple are polar opposites. If you're ready to step out of that comfort zone - Galaxy S23 Ultra I highly recommend.

    • @jadddean
      @jadddean Год назад

      @@Trexa123i have been with iPhone since 08’ and ready to jump ship and upgrading to get S23 ultra. How was your transition??

    • @Trexa123
      @Trexa123 Год назад

      @@jadddean it was pretty seamless for me! I used Smart Switch & followed this videos walk though. Worked perfectly. All my apps (the ones that had an Android equivalent anyway), photos, texts, voicemails, voice memos. contacts, notes, reminders - everything came over to my Galaxy. The only thing I'd recommend is to get a password manager and save all your login information. I didn't do that and had to physically log in with User/Passwords to every single app again. That was a pain but everything else, very easy! Loving this Galaxy so much more than iphone

  • @casseycastro1985
    @casseycastro1985 Год назад +6

    I'm done ! From poco f3 to s23 ultra smartswitch is amazing !

  • @car3030
    @car3030 Год назад +5

    I see an incredible amount of people switching from Apple to the S23 Ultra, and I’M doing it too…I’m receiving my S23 Ultra tomorrow and I’m confident I can transfer my data from my iPhone 13 Pro Max, because of this FANTASTIC VIDEO! Oh, I just subscribed and I don’t do that often. Keep up the good work. ✔️

  • @douglasdever6134
    @douglasdever6134 Год назад +1

    All I can say is damn good info. I set up my S22U the old fashioned way, and since I'm pretty sure in a year I'll be getting an S24; I am going to give this a try for setting up my S23 Ultra. Sure appears to work ok, and the info from this video sure makes it easy to do. Thanks.
    UPDATE: Info was slightly off with steps, but NOT a problem. Pretty much the system walks you through the procedure. However, not as easy as shown when going from an S22U to a S23U. Kept disconnecting when using cables; had to restart a few time. Tried two different cables (one from S22, other from S23) same problem. Cannot believe either port was bad since the S22 port was very seldom used, and only used for data transfer. Phone has always been wirelessly charged. S23 was initially charged with a cord, but would assume it was ok.
    It did finally work, just took a few times to get it to remain working while plugged in. (Both phones started at 100% charge.)

  • @jvk57
    @jvk57 Год назад +6

    Great video. Is there any way to COMPLETELY copy everything across? Seems that various customisation things are not included as well as various settings?

  • @quadriderhonda
    @quadriderhonda Год назад +11

    How do you transfer e sim from iphone 14 pro max to s23 ultra? Can you make a video on that?

  • @gilbertrivera6493
    @gilbertrivera6493 Год назад +1

    Thank you ….I am going to switch from Apple 13Pro to Samsung S23 Ultra watching your video give me insights…..once again thank you

  • @pieterketels
    @pieterketels Год назад +4

    great. my S23 plus arrives tomorrow. Happy I saw this interesting video. thx

  • @pokene_pokemon
    @pokene_pokemon 11 месяцев назад +1

    This is the only, the ONLY valuable video on this topic

  • @donvan1467
    @donvan1467 Год назад +3

    very helpful instruction. Thanks.
    Can it be restored from data backed up by google, which do you prefer?

  • @slindsay17771
    @slindsay17771 Год назад +4

    this very helpful. the only thing I found was using a generic cable didn't work for iPhone. once I used the cable that came from the iPhone icy worked a treat.

  • @blackninja504
    @blackninja504 Год назад +6

    Found a sort of work around to transfer secure folder. Quick share will even transfer very large files oh say like 5000 pics and vids.😊

  • @tjreed7797
    @tjreed7797 Год назад +6

    Does the data transfer also include the micro SD card from the previous phone?

    • @elshaesevoets7531
      @elshaesevoets7531 Год назад +5

      Yes! I transferred data with smartswitch from note 20 to s23 ultra. Everything transferred without any issue!
      You only need to take a backup off wattsapp data in Google drive if you use the app.

  • @CaptDickJackman
    @CaptDickJackman Год назад +2

    As of today I returned back to Android squad. Upgraded from my I Phone 12 Pro Max to the Galaxy S23. Will all of my videos, pics and documents transfer? I have A LOT of stuff on my phone. 5 yrs worth of stuff. I can’t wait to get my hands on this beast known as the Galaxy S23

  • @sayyaaharuyo
    @sayyaaharuyo Год назад +8

    Can Smart Switch transfer data from microsd card too? My old phone is Galaxy Note 9

    • @TechnicallyAlex
      @TechnicallyAlex  Год назад +8

      Yes it can

    • @sayyaaharuyo
      @sayyaaharuyo Год назад +2

      @@TechnicallyAlex thanks.

    • @CLKenrick
      @CLKenrick 11 месяцев назад +2

      ​@TechnicallyAlex yay thank you! My Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra Phantom Black ⚫️ arriving today and I can't wait!

  • @davidthompson9359
    @davidthompson9359 Год назад +4

    By installing the "Smart Switch" I wonder if the app will also download your files to the company as well as transferring them to the new phone? Can't you just transfer the files without a software install?

    • @real_andrii
      @real_andrii 6 месяцев назад

      No, that app transfers phone-to-phone directly.

  • @ShaiMaor
    @ShaiMaor 8 месяцев назад +1

    When you transfer the photos from Android to Samsung, is all the information about the photos saved? Including when the photos were taken and where were they taken? And when I copy the information of the messages, is it only on SMS or also on WhatsApp or only on WhatsApp? Does it copy all messages from WhatsApp?

  • @wrh231177
    @wrh231177 Год назад +1

    My question is will the pics be in the same folders that they were on the old phone? I just transferred all my pics after initial setup and they're all now together in one folder which is very inconvenient. Thanks in advance

  • @530captaincrunch
    @530captaincrunch 11 месяцев назад +2

    Excellent video. Thank you!

  • @linsam1962
    @linsam1962 11 месяцев назад

    What a helpful video! Thank you so much! I have a quick question. Where do Apple Notes get transferred to? Samsung Notes? Google Keep?

  • @2zonetherapy307
    @2zonetherapy307 3 месяца назад

    fantastic. clear english, and exelent explaination

  • @alexagordn
    @alexagordn Год назад +2

    its transfer only apps or its also transfers the login account information for this apps? For example instagram, fb, twitter and etc.

    • @tat3oi
      @tat3oi Год назад

      Only app

  • @justmeva
    @justmeva 5 месяцев назад

    That was so easy - thank you for such a great direction: I really appreciate it.

  • @init_yeah
    @init_yeah Год назад +2

    Thanks for the extended guide

  • @Austin314Stl
    @Austin314Stl Год назад +1

    Q: does it transfer all your apps passwords or do you have to for example, sign back into Netflix, sign back into Amazon etc. ??? ty

  • @unknownbytes2874
    @unknownbytes2874 Год назад +2

    Do you know a reliable way to transfer notes from iPhone to android?

  • @didyouknow138
    @didyouknow138 7 месяцев назад

    Hi, thank for the video, quick question. Is the data includes the bio metrics data????, as the apps will be installed again, but what about apps that I used my finger print to log in

  • @mattstone8521
    @mattstone8521 Год назад +1

    Do all the saved passwords for the apps transfer over or will i have to enter them all manually?

  • @xyzpeter
    @xyzpeter Год назад +6

    I have a Note 9 and all my pictures and music are stored on the SD card. Will they be transferred to the new phone as well?

    • @TechnicallyAlex
      @TechnicallyAlex  Год назад +8

      Yes, SD card data will be transferred

    • @xyzpeter
      @xyzpeter Год назад +3

      @@TechnicallyAlex Thank You

    • @StewartsEmpire
      @StewartsEmpire Год назад

      Will it transfer automatically through the smart app or do you have to do it after? Like how would I know if it transferred?

    • @PipenFalzy
      @PipenFalzy Год назад

      I think if it's encrypted you have to decrypt it before you transfer. I hate transferring info when getting a new phone. I find not everything gets transferred. Iam going to have to do this next week transferring my note 20 to s23. Which I know is going to be an issue as s23 doesn't have sd card and I have one in the note.

    • @andys8483
      @andys8483 Год назад

      I got my new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra couple of days ago & had to go through the tiresome process of transferring all my data from my old Sony Xperia + setting up all my accounts again.
      I did find that around 100 of my holiday pics did not transfer over from the gallery in my old phone, although they are still available in google photos?

  • @arbietepaa907
    @arbietepaa907 5 месяцев назад

    Awesome Alex, thank y6ou so much.

  • @McHellenIsaboke
    @McHellenIsaboke Год назад +2

    Mine gets here on Monday I just cannot wait.....I had to preorder

    • @viralcompile5215
      @viralcompile5215 Год назад

      Lucky. Mine will be here Monday but it says at request of the shipper it will not be delivered until Wednesday.

    • @alimostofa967
      @alimostofa967 Год назад +1

      @@viralcompile5215 I guess you ordered the black color?

    • @viralcompile5215
      @viralcompile5215 Год назад

      @@alimostofa967 I got the green one and it was delivered yesterday. Ordered case and wireless charger with it

    • @alimostofa967
      @alimostofa967 Год назад

      @ViralCompile I ordered phantom black yesterday and the order came today looks good sometimes being slow probably my broadband Internet is bad dont know

    • @alimostofa967
      @alimostofa967 Год назад

      @ViralCompile alot of people are going for the green, but green colors are delayed until March now e Iarliest available color for next day delivery is phantom black

  • @mochimasan
    @mochimasan Год назад +2

    Im wondering if you transfer apps like a game will also the ingame process stay?

    • @KiIIaInc
      @KiIIaInc Год назад

      If its from android to Samsung then yes.

    • @SarahK86
      @SarahK86 Год назад

      As long as you have your progress saved on your old phone. For example I play Solitaire Grand Harvest on my phone and have my progress saved by way of Facebook link with the game. So if I transfer the game to my new phone I just have to link the game on the new phone back to Facebook and I get my saved progress from game on my old phone

  • @matdredd
    @matdredd Год назад

    Thank you. Followed step by step and was successful

  • @zubimaha
    @zubimaha 4 месяца назад

    Thanks for the video.

  • @amitjackmit4555
    @amitjackmit4555 Год назад

    Hi,
    Thanks for the video.
    Would you know if after the transfer if I can still have acess to those data on the old phone?

  • @vijaypendem7663
    @vijaypendem7663 6 месяцев назад

    Bought a new Samsung device with the Smart Switch app will it transfer my WhatsApp data, including images and videos, from my iPhone? Or would you like me to back up my WhatsApp before transferring?

  • @jamesnelson9926
    @jamesnelson9926 Год назад

    ive also used move to I.O.S. app when i did my daughters phone it worked great

  • @minnywade6105
    @minnywade6105 Месяц назад

    THANK YOU!

  • @qSolid21_
    @qSolid21_ Год назад +1

    nice video!
    can you do a video showcasing all of the android 13 default widgets? it would make my day :D

  • @conniepacheco7914
    @conniepacheco7914 9 месяцев назад

    So helpful.. thank you

  • @josephlyons2413
    @josephlyons2413 Год назад +2

    Are still logged in to thongs like Facebook and Instagram when it transfers? Or do you have to sign back in?

  • @YWT1997
    @YWT1997 Год назад +1

    Does that include the transfers of Whatsapp accounts?

    • @mysticz426
      @mysticz426 Год назад

      no whatsapp doesnt transfer over Make sire you back so ypu can restore it

  • @catbalooboy
    @catbalooboy Год назад +1

    Do you need to put password for all apps on the new phone?

  • @peterwinkler8382
    @peterwinkler8382 Год назад

    Thanks for a great video!

  • @chandshaik184
    @chandshaik184 Год назад

    Do we need to backup our old phone before starting the process??

  • @Excapepath
    @Excapepath Год назад

    Cant you just use smart switch without doing a factory reset?

  • @craigduncan1626
    @craigduncan1626 Год назад

    Does this also transfer apps that have been sideloaded? Or downloaded from an APK etc?

  • @WarGrrl3
    @WarGrrl3 Год назад

    Is it REALLY this easy? Quickish question, I will be t-terring my s9+ to my s23 Ultra. The last time I signed into my Samsung account it started putting the large white rectangular Samsung Pass box in the sign in area of my important apps so signing in became a nightmare. I tried EVERYTHING to stop it. Signing OUT worked. So, during the initial transfer should I wait for everything to finish and then sign in to my Samsung account later, or should I sign in when prompted to do so during set up?. I just don't want to start off w Samsung taking over everything. It was infuriating when I needed to sign into something quickly and have to guess what was behind that Samsung pass box. Yes I know this is an odd question n I hope I explained it clearly. Thank you for your time n help w this matter. I will be sharing this vid w anyone I know who is going to t-fer to the s23Ultra n will be recommending this channel. You've taken the nightmare out of the process unlike other channels. So glad you popped up on my feed a few days ago. Blessings.

  • @Audiod87
    @Audiod87 3 месяца назад

    Thank you

  • @JMKDragon
    @JMKDragon Год назад

    Does this transfer include music or is that just not possible? Or is there a way to transfer music?

  • @Crazydragonman
    @Crazydragonman Год назад +1

    I did a restore for my s23u from my s22u backup somehow smart switch didnt work but it looks fine.

  • @paintingsoup6633
    @paintingsoup6633 8 месяцев назад +1

    whenever i try to factory reset my phone it deletes everything but then it just starts back up without going to the set up screen. just straight to the homepage.

  • @blackninja504
    @blackninja504 Год назад +1

    Wish smart switch worked for secure folder as well 😢

  • @Sparrow350
    @Sparrow350 Год назад +2

    This is probably a dumb question, but how do I start receiving calls and text on my new phone, instead of the old. I've always upgraded in store, so I've never had to do this myself.

    • @TechnicallyAlex
      @TechnicallyAlex  Год назад +5

      Move your SIM card to the new phone

    • @Sparrow350
      @Sparrow350 Год назад +1

      @@TechnicallyAlex I figured this was it, but one of the first instructions I was given when I received the new phone, was to use the Sim card that came with it.

    • @Sparrow350
      @Sparrow350 Год назад

      @@TechnicallyAlex Thank you for the response.

    • @TechnicallyAlex
      @TechnicallyAlex  Год назад +3

      @@Sparrow350 You might need to activate the SIM card then, but the service provider should do that for you once you get the new phone..

  • @linsam1962
    @linsam1962 11 месяцев назад

    I have one more question…do passwords also transfer from iPhone to Samsung?

  • @aaronloi
    @aaronloi Год назад

    Can if transfer key setting like games like call of duty which i set accordingly to my liking from huawei phone, which the setting had been save to the phone and when using Samsung transfer will transfer all data?

  • @mohitsinghal1018
    @mohitsinghal1018 10 месяцев назад

    Will it transfer everything from icloud also?

  • @carolhartley4448
    @carolhartley4448 11 месяцев назад

    Well it looks easy for you but for me just checking off the things i dont want will take forever and you then had to choose samsung things also, got to be an easier way, will i be able to keep my passwords the same, or will every app. Need to be set up? Eeks i have a galaxy phone but people that have apple like my son, it's so easy and everything stays the same, but I want another galaxy

  • @54roooo29
    @54roooo29 Год назад

    If I am going to use the same number chip do I remove it from the iPhone to the new Samsung or buy a new chip??

  • @colinkelly279
    @colinkelly279 11 месяцев назад

    Do passwords transfer as well or do I have to log into everything again?

  • @emmanouilachladiotis5272
    @emmanouilachladiotis5272 Год назад

    Ok these phones have both their own sim card. But what if you need to take the old sim card and put in the new phone. Then how do you do the transfer as the sim card needs to go to the new phone and now you don't have it in the old one?

  • @blairthandi7058
    @blairthandi7058 11 месяцев назад

    Should I put my SIM card in my new one before transfer?

  • @RolyEm
    @RolyEm Год назад

    Do both phones need a sim card in to do this transfer

  • @hafizhazmie3505
    @hafizhazmie3505 8 месяцев назад

    9:58 what app that i need to download for the transfer app from ios to android

  • @keepitshort4208
    @keepitshort4208 Год назад

    Can you just transfer the WhatsApp messages later on ?
    As not having to transfer over to the new phone fully

  • @Its.fernnnn
    @Its.fernnnn Год назад

    Thanks 🤝🏼

  • @christhompson6010
    @christhompson6010 Год назад +1

    when you transfer apps do they install to the new phone with passwords already setup along with previous preferences or do you have to redo all those options. like fingerprint access to certain apps along with security settings ? adding my router to my S10 was a process that i would like to avoid doing again. also i have expandable memory . does it transfer that or should i remove before the transfer?

    • @SarahK86
      @SarahK86 Год назад

      I'm pretty sure you would have to re sign in to each app that has a password individually on your new device.

  • @Faith-Brown34
    @Faith-Brown34 Год назад +1

    Can you do this with your s21 5g to switch to your new Samsung s23 ultra?

  • @MADDLADO1
    @MADDLADO1 Год назад

    When you transfer everything over, is that stuff still on the original phone, or is it removed during transfer?

    • @Tiagoff18
      @Tiagoff18 Год назад +4

      Everything stays on the old one, you’re just making a copy

    • @MADDLADO1
      @MADDLADO1 Год назад +2

      @@Tiagoff18 Thanks brother, much appreciated 👍

  • @nagazinafireworks7594
    @nagazinafireworks7594 Год назад

    Im waiting for my Samsung S23/Ultra to come in the mail when I get it do I have to bring it back to at&t for them to transfer from my s21 ultra or can I do it my self?

  • @joedi
    @joedi Год назад

    Thanks 🙏

  • @coreyhilll3153
    @coreyhilll3153 Год назад +1

    Hey is there a way to transfer all of your data without erasing data from your old phone? I am trying to transfer but its saying i need to deselect or erase 26gb before transferring data

    • @TechnicallyAlex
      @TechnicallyAlex  Год назад

      If you have a samsung account you can create backups and restore them to a new phone

    • @coreyhilll3153
      @coreyhilll3153 Год назад

      @@TechnicallyAlex sorry if this is a dumb question.. do you mean samsung cloud or something different?

    • @TechnicallyAlex
      @TechnicallyAlex  Год назад +1

      @@coreyhilll3153 You can do samsung cloud or google drive

  • @jamsheer1474
    @jamsheer1474 Год назад

    Is it possible to transfer app with data.
    I mean passwords and all?

  • @cabdinasir4247
    @cabdinasir4247 Год назад

    Thanks bro

  • @mikephilpot
    @mikephilpot Год назад

    If I'm transferring from my S22 Ultra ... will it transfer the apps into the folders which I made on the S22 Ultra?

  • @aadjrenots
    @aadjrenots Год назад

    My Razer phone 2 doesn't have a qr scanner and the USB -C charging port is not working. Can I skip the qr scan and continue by using another method? Thanks

  • @jimfenlon8121
    @jimfenlon8121 Год назад

    Will it also transfer files on the SD card in your old Samsung phone?

  • @rijumandal5191
    @rijumandal5191 Год назад

    Does it includes app Data?

  • @muhammadhussain1852
    @muhammadhussain1852 Год назад

    Will the old phones data be overwritten

  • @jcoachnst9511
    @jcoachnst9511 Год назад

    Does anyone know if it Works to Transfer Notes from a Huawei to Samsung by any chance❓ Or a Way to do it❓
    Any Help would be much appreciated 🙏

  • @danc2779
    @danc2779 Год назад +1

    Smart Switch it is not transferring userid and passwords, just to be aware

  • @jobunaga4178
    @jobunaga4178 Год назад

    can you wirelessly charge during the transfer process?

  • @ItsEverythingElse
    @ItsEverythingElse Год назад

    Interesting that you have to install the app on the old Android phone but not on the old iPhone.

  • @taranagnew436
    @taranagnew436 Год назад

    when you transfer all the data to your new phone, will it include data on an sd card?

  • @amaa5314
    @amaa5314 Год назад

    Will it keep passwords to certain apps or you set up all over again?

    • @TechnicallyAlex
      @TechnicallyAlex  Год назад +1

      Depends on the app, but for security reasons, usually you will need to re-login

  • @Dillvn
    @Dillvn Год назад

    so i just spent 4 hours setting up the phone just to have to reset the thing again. I did the backup from icloud already but it only put like 20 photos on

  • @BlueRice
    @BlueRice Год назад +2

    samsung when they have a feature, it always work flawlessly. its not like microsoft where things always have compatible issue. feature never work as it intended to be. for example like in microsoft window, finding network storage or other share folder on network either takes a long time to find it or never find it. sometime window version compatible issue. or it ask you for password to login but it doesnt work. if samsung make their own operation, it would works so smoothly.

  • @benjaminsarmiento8150
    @benjaminsarmiento8150 Год назад

    OK I did this and successfully transfered all the files. Then after i put in the simcard I lost all the files I transfered. Unfortunately I already factory reset the old phone. Is there any way to recover my files? I think you should have a caution in this video.

  • @briankgarland
    @briankgarland Год назад

    I'm upgrading from a Note 20 Ultra 5G. Does Smart Switch transfer everything on my sim card as well?

    • @KiIIaInc
      @KiIIaInc Год назад

      Won't the simcard go into the new phone so why would it transfer over?

  • @danielkarl8984
    @danielkarl8984 11 месяцев назад

    Ok...and if I don't have a lightning to USB-C? I'm sure not gonna buy one just to through it out after 1 use

  • @M..R....
    @M..R.... Год назад

    Hi..i want to transfer my S7 Edge data / apps etc to an S23 Ultra but the S23 wont have a SIM card . I was just going to put the SIM from my S7 Edge into the S23...will this cause an issue only having the 1 SIM while transferring the data as I think the S23 will also need a SIM to turn on . (S23 just ordered from Samsung)

    • @melloniek730
      @melloniek730 Год назад

      I also need an answer to your question. How did you go? Did it matter only having the 1 sim?

    • @M..R....
      @M..R.... Год назад

      @melloniek730
      Turns out it didn't matter. I transferred data using Samsungs Smartswitch app from my old S7 Edge to the new S23 Ultra with the SIM card in the S7 Edge. Once the data had transferred I put the S7 Edges SIM card into the S23 Ultra and all worked fine.

  • @jeffreybower5959
    @jeffreybower5959 7 месяцев назад

    does it also transfer data and music FROM sd card from old phone to s23 ultra!!???😢😢😢😢😢

  • @maddiralasreedhar8626
    @maddiralasreedhar8626 Год назад

    Bro, I am from Hyderabad, Telangana State, India. Can I transfer data from Vivo 1818 phone to s23 Ultra ? Plse tell me.

  • @_broits_george
    @_broits_george 11 месяцев назад

    I have the iPhone 14 pro max, they don’t come in sims anymore how do I transfer it?

  • @aamirahmad5817
    @aamirahmad5817 7 месяцев назад

    Can't it be done without using factory reset?

  • @pjsolarz
    @pjsolarz 9 месяцев назад

    So one of the reasons I got a new phone was because the camera is out of focus and won't read the QR code, What do I do in this case?

  • @giocoby
    @giocoby Год назад

    I have Huawei Nova7 and i cannot transfer data to my new S23 because no play store i cannot download Smart Switch. Can you please help. Thanks

  • @billyhawkings4096
    @billyhawkings4096 Год назад

    Im sorry but this maybe a stupid question but will i still have same email address or have to make a new one?