According to the transcript, the video used the word "think" 22 times, which is quite a lot of "thinking" and too little research. If you have to say "I think", just admit you're guessing and it means a gap in awareness. You cannot brush it off with a cheeky disclaimer, "this is a perspective on EV, not a judgement on ICE vs EV" 8:45 - Tiago base model being compared to EV top model isnt all that fair no? Tiago XE CNG : 7.8L, Tiago EV XE : 8.4L (both OTR MUMBAI pre subsidy). This tiago ICE is MT and not AT like EV is. Tiago XZ CNG AMT : 10L, Tiago EV XZ+ : 11.5L I don't know about your math but it doesn't look like 40% costlier to me. These prices do not include any subsidy as MH subsidy quota has expired long time ago. 9:04 - 50% tata tiago EV sales come from tier 2/3 cities that too from women buyers via AUTOCAR INDIA. 9:49 - I wouldn't blame you for not knowing being non EV owner, but please, when next time you're asked about EV, give answers instead of questions. Plugshare app lists all chargers in india (and beyond). 10:11 - charging time listed as 4 hours, which is 30-45min irl, not 4h. If you're going to be using slow charging thats possible with any 15A socket, no specific charging infra required. 10:13 - luckily the cable is long enough most of times to reach your car if you block the offender in place for hogging a charging port. They deserve as much for being callous. 10:17 - again, cant insist enough : plugshare. 10:37 - again, thinking rather than giving solid answer, just google. The avg EV in west has 100kWh battery. The avg EV in india has 25kWh. What charging time they achieve with 150kW chargers, we do with 50kW chargers. 10:42 - Hyundai Ioniq 5 @ 50L charges in 18min, and gives 500km range. Tiago EV @ 10L takes 45min and gives 200km range. 11:38 - it is made out to be an EV problem when it really is an ARAI problem. The said "15%" transport emissions will look much worse if we knew the actual real mileage and emissions of our cars, because guess what? same testing procedure is used for mileage testing as well. 12:18 - electric cars already have liquid cooling, LFP performs better in hotter climate (30ºC) than NMC which performs better in cooler climate (10ºC). Your statement would be valid if no one was using EVs in RJ and GJ but spoiler alert, they are using it just fine with almost no range drop over someone in KA or KL or UP or NCR. 13:09 - we have 180K and 160K driven nexon EVs on our owners group with zero range drop. Again, unsubstantiated claims giving wrong PERSPECTIVE as we call it here. 13:22 - then why spread misinformation if you do not know? If the change of battery is under warranty, the cells are refurbished by tata chemicals in case of tata. For MG, they have partnered with Attero for recycling. 13:38 - all EVs sold in india and abroad are IP67 Rated. You can easily drive in rain and waterlogged streets without fear of fire or hydrolocking as in case of ICE car. Again, please refrain from fearmongering. There have been only 2 nexon EV fires, both due to chinese accesories. Whereas ICE car fires are much more common, last week seltos on Ooty road, just search fire in news tab of google, every car you can think of has had multiple instances of fire. 13:47 - again, you act as if fire dept waits for electrical fires to burn out and humanity doesn't have any solution to EV fire. Fire extinguishers come in multiple variety, FOAM and CO2 variant are perfectly apt for EV or any electrical fire for that matter. 14:55 - Listing down random elements from periodic table doesn't help your case with trust and reliability of info. 80% EVs sold in india are LFP, using just lithium and iron phosphate. Other 20% are NMC, which use Nickel Manganese and Cobalt, but this is only for uber luxurious EVs above 50L. Rest of the elements are not used in EV battery or any other part for that matter. 15:10 - unlike oil which is burnt off during usage, lithium isn't. Avg EV in india with 25kWh Battery uses just 2.5kg lithium for lifetime of vehicle (1.6L km in worst case if battery dies exactly 1 day after warranty). For same period, even 20kmpl ICE car will use 8000L of fuel ie 6000kg of fuel which is burnt and never coming back. Avg battery size for global EV is 60kWh ie ~6kg lithium. Thats enough lithium for 4.3B cars in the world. There are ~1.4B cars. We can make 3x more EVs than current existing ICE cars. And which can be recycled in closed cycle to make battery for new EVs. 15:31-16:14 - 45s rant on battery production, but no word on the extraction of oil from oil rigs, the transport of oil via huge tankers which make up 40% of cargo fleet, and refining it using by burning same fossil fuels to heat the fractional distillation chamber? 100% of points mentioned apply as is to oil supply chain. Its only fair to compare battery to oil production and power plants to tailpipe, yet I see a huge gap in the LHS and RHS of the equations. 16:45 - are you squarely implying that landfill fires are caused by discarded batteries? because unless you have solid proof to verify this, this statement is very misleading. Its as if you're attributing entire issue of landfill fires to ev battery which aren't even present in the landfill unlike your claims 18:44 - you are confusing global warming and pollution. CO2 and CH4 are causing global warming, not pollution, former of which is the exhaust of ICE cars and latter of which is what CNG and LPG made of. Pollution has many components such as SOx NOx, particulate and hydrocarbons which are not emitted by construction, the biggest contributor to PM2.5. 19:26 - again, no word on oil extraction refining and transport? Either do production + driving emissions for both, or omit for both, why emit production emissions for oil, but include it for EV? Either compare tailpipe to power plant and stop there or add oil supply chain emissions also. 20:14 - they are laid out in paddy like fields and evaporated naturally, where do you see burners and furnaces in the desert? 20:23 - the refining process is done by china acc to you just few frames later, but here you're counting it in south america itself?? 20:45 - nickel is not used in 80% of EVs sold in India. Tata and MG both use LFP which neither uses nickel, nor cobalt. 21:23 - you know what else uses cobalt? Oil refining. To remove sulphur from the crude oil, it is treated with cobalt-molybdenum catalysts to remove it. But ig you won't know it since you're "thinking" a whole lot. As a chemical engineer, I know my trade. Please do not mansplain stuff you yourself aren't aware about. 22:06 - again, lot of misinformation. China refines the metals and makes the individual cells (and sometimes battery pack as in case of BYD and CATL). The battery is not made in south korea, the battery for MG and Tata cars are assembled in india itself, after importing cells from china (GotionGX manufacturer), and no germany did not even come into the picture. 22:12 - For vehicles built and sold in germany yes, but not EVERY EV. Tesla makes their cells in their own gigafactory. Only chinese tesla models use chinese cells. Rest are made in germany and usa itself. battery pack is assembled where ever car is assembled. DON'T BE ARMCHAIR EXPERTS ON TOPICS YOU DON'T KNOW. 22:19 - Even the 50L Ioniq 5 and 2cr Benz EQS EV is assembled in India. Same for volvo C40 and XC40. 80% of EVs in india, sold by Tata and MG, both are made in INDIA itself, only cells are imported, rest 100% assembly is on indian shores. 22:32 - which is also used in oil refining, for far longer than EV existed. 23:05 - India has a 60-40 split of fossil and renewable energy. Some states like HP have more hydro than fossil, states like RJ, GJ, KA have more solar than fossil. In many states, renewables are greater share of grid than coal. ICE car will always be 100% fossil powered only. Even in hybrid the energy comes from burning fuel only. EV with 40% clean energy is better than 0% clean energy in ICE cars. ICCT study concurs (same guys who discovered VW Dieselgate) 24:26 - same for Oil also, extracted in saudi or UAE or qatar or iran, then shipped to their refinery in usa russia, then shipped back again to india, how is it any different? At least with EV, the import is one time factor - then the metals are all yours to recycle and use. Not so with oil which is concurrent import, 80% of oil is imported, and it is a huge drain on forex. 26:12 - we import oil from OPEC in ME, russia is very small portion of oil source for india. We buy the cheaper oil and export the refined product to europe because they don't want to buy it from russia directly. We do not use it ourselves. 26:25 - At least with EV, the import is one time factor - then the metals are all yours to recycle and use. Not so with oil which is concurrent import, 80% of oil is imported, and it is a huge drain on forex.
@@control_the_narrative - I usually don't respond to anonymous handles BUT shall make an exception. NOPE, I do not work in the EV industry, actually I'm well and truly retired. Apart from confidential road testing of mostly cars but also other heavier vehicles, that also is time-pass. a) Learnt how to operate, repair, modify cars & then all sorts of engines as a child. Kept at it for about 60 years now across technologies on land and over water. b) Been driving BEVs since 1997 in India and 1999 in Umrika. Follow the complete automobile industry - was motoring media before it became PR driven. Also follow the fossil fuels industry. c) BEVs are inevitable, though I do opine that within India, they will be more for 2W, 3W, micro-mini 4W commercial, cabs, city buses and a few other niche uses. Private car EVs are a bit of a waste of resources and IMHO should be taxed at the same level as private car ICE engines - especially the luxury and heavier models/variants.
I remember, in my childhood, Plastics were marketed as the earth saving wonder material....Just like Abid said, economy needs consumers and consumers need variety...
That's great that you had a smooth ride on an EV bus! But we can't ignore the bigger picture. Companies often profit by shifting pollution elsewhere, and most people don't realize until it affects them directly.
I don’t get chemistry much and mining heavy earth metals is obviously very energy intensive. But still sound pollution is reduced for sure. Air pollution maybe in long run and we need a lot of work on battery recycling.
@@mithoonm2278 how is oil made and where is the pollution shifted? To gulf countries right? No compare 200kg battery in EV to thousands of litres of oil used by single car for its lifetime. It’s obvious that the amount of oil needed is much larger than amount of metals needed for battery. Naturally, so is the emissions from oil production compared to battery production
@@7567_Rex Interesting perspective, but it's worth noting that while the production of oil may have a lesser environmental impact compared to burning it, the overall lifecycle emissions from fossil fuel consumption are still substantial. Considering the significant amount of fossil fuels used in the manufacturing process of EVs, it's a valid concern whether this transition is truly sustainable in the long term. So, it's essential to weigh the broader environmental benefits of reducing our reliance on fossil fuels. It's a complex issue, but one worth exploring for the sake of our planet's future
On fuel basis, research points to ev being more efficient even if the electricity is generated and transmitted for charging using petrol/diesel that would have used to run ICE car.
These guys didn't talk about environmental cost of fossil fuels :) They are first mined, separated which requires lot of fuel and dangerous chemicals. Transported on oil container most probably run on coal or third grade oil. Then from port they are transported to different parts on oil tankers. You think oil is clean :)
I would say the video is very short sighted and not analysed properly. Fossil fuel industry is polluting on a continuous basis. On top of it, for EV it is an incidental cost. The guest here does not know how the battery works and many more things. I would listen to them to understand how others think but that's all
@@tagore161 lithium is not disposed but recycled. Once mined it can be recycled lot of times. And lithium is very small part of battery, but very important one. For example, for LFP chemistry most minerals used are iron and phosphorus
I think most of the problems mentioned here are temporary. Combustion engine uses fuels which is not sustainable. Electrical energy is renewable and this makes EVs sustainable. Even though current methods of generating electricity is using fossil fuels mainly, there are a lot of renewable methods which simply do not exist for combustion engine. Better ways of storing electricity are being developed. So looking towards the future, we eventually need to shift to EVs at some point of time, so the infrastructure needs to be ready by that time. We can't really start thinking about it once the fuels like petrol, diesel and natural gas are depleted. I think this was a major point missed in the video and it came out in a way as to stop people from buying EVs.
I don't agree. Even after the launch of EVs and discovering the harsh reality a few years ago, I still convinced myself, like you, that some innovation would occur and we'd get better electric and eco-friendly solutions. However, upon examining current capitalist industries selling EVs, they show no interest in such innovation; they're simply trying to extract more horsepower or fit more lithium into cars to increase range. No one is discussing finding alternatives or fostering innovation, which is already alarming and contributing to pollution. It's reminiscent of plastic innovation, which has polluted the entire Earth without us finding proper ways to decompose it or clean our planet. We need to halt the push for EVs and prioritize innovation in something sustainable, or at least stop branding/marketing them as green or eco-friendly and offering subsidies. P.S. I worked at Tata Motors.
It is not about demoralising buying EVs, but it gives a perspective that it's not all well.... These are the precise videos which can ignite an entrepreneur's mind so that they may look to solve these issues.
I've been hearing this "hum honge kaamyaab" song for EVs since a decade now and the only thing that they're doing is jacking up the Li ion battery's capacity to increase the range and change the shape of the batteries. Talking of so called sustainability, another greenwashing term in my honest opinion, the Li ion battery will die and the car's resale value will be zilch. Look at the super expensive Merc EV, it has a depreciation of a whopping 50%on just one year! Also nobody knows the disposal policy of the toxic Li ion batteries which itself will be a huge environmental hazard. All in all, to be it might just be with good intentions but our govt seems to be in hand in gloves with the globalist megalomaniac organization the WEF to try and impose these battery operated toy cars on us Indians. Jai Hind.
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12:20 The same ARAI is giving same mileage figures to ICE cars in same method only. Right? The testing method will change and EV's will come up with different tests in future. Till then it is better to get range idea from the owners in your area. Similar to mileage in ICE cars, it is highly dependent on driving style, braking style, terrain etc. There are battery cooling systems which take care of keeping battery temperature within range.
guy's this is more of a subjective video than factual, obviously in the long run EVs are THE thing, but to get there you need to start somewhere, and that start by you, is a good thing, eventually the extraction process will become more environmental friendly, there are a lot of undiscovered reserves still not found, take for example recent biggest reserves were found in Nevada, Iran and Sweden, on top of that these are rechargeable batteries which can be charged with renewable energy take Tesla's solar roof for example, unlike petrol, + these batteries are recyclable the lithium and other metals can be reused + >90% of energy in EVs is converted to kinetic energy in contrast only 20% is in ice, + the biggest thing of them all these are just the early days of when people are starting to realise this has potential and will seemingly attract more research towards making this whole system more efficient and environment friendly.
I don't understand the obsetion with EV, hydrogen power clearly doesn't have any of these issues and still people think they are worse... I get it they can't store energy as efficiently as a battery pack, but clearly they make up for it by preventing mining for rare metals. People think that problem with petrol is that it release CO2, but actual problem is scarcity, which clearly is even bigger issue in EVs
Such under researched videos are not expected from Zero1. More so pointed by the fact that You repeatedly used the word "think". Multiple studies have already made it clear that the lifetime emissions of an EV, considering everything you mentioned, is much less than an ICE vehicle.
Lol lookup how ev batteries are made. Look up how they're disposed off. Not eco friendly at all. Also, electricity is made burning coal primarily in India, which is more polluting than petrol/diesel. Wake up
@@tagore161These are my assessment on pollution For ICE - 82% of crude oil is imported 1) Pollution while mining & processing of the fuel 2) Pollution while transporting the fuel via sea 3) Pollution while refining the fuel 4) Pollution while transporting from refineries to fuel stations 5) Pollution while using the ICE engines For EV (even considering usage of coal power plant) - 70% of coal is domestic 1) Pollution while Mining & processing of coal 2) Pollution while transporting the coal to thermal plant 3) Pollution while operating thermal power plant 3a) will be more efficient than small ICE engines 3b) transmission loss will be less 4) Pollution while Lithium mining, processing, transporting via sea etc. 4a) applicable only a few times (and comparatively less quantity required) in the lifetime of an EV. 4b) Possibility of reusing. 5) Pollution while transporting the coal via sea 5a) only for importing coal Please do notify me if I missed some points.
i think they will have heart attack when they come to know that oil in petrol pump is not created there but is extracted from other countries, then moved to other countries to process oil to petrol, where half of crude oil is lost, then it is again transported to central places in India, from where it gets transported by trucks then to petrol pump. And don't get started on ethanol which is now 20% of the petrol that we get. These videos never get Apple to Apple comparison. Its always, lets bash EV or lets bash ICE. EV is definitely the future as the energy storage gets higher density at lower cost in near future. And these people stilll dont realise we use lithium batteries in mobile and laptops. They should stop using them !!
13:24 Firstly please mention when this situation arises. Then second is that a battery pack consists of lot of battery cells and it is possible to replace the damaged ones alone. Even degraded cells can be used as secondary cells for solar or other energy storage requirments. More than 50% of battery is reusable (more than 90% as google says).
FYI, Both Reliance and Adani group are developing large solar farms to make India Self reliant on Power Consumption. This may help tackling problems in power generation. 26:05
EV batteries are not thrown away, each mineral is recycled with 95%+ purity and reused. These minerals can be recycled lot of times. So once a mineral is mined, it can be reused at least for 200+years, even more. Battery recycling industry is goinng to be billion dollar industry soon. Already some India companies are doing it in small scale. Scale will go up with more batteries. So stop worrying about mining and battery waste. This process will take some decades and then things will be normal.
In a city like Delhi where 40% of pollution is because of vehicular emissions, if everyone drove an EV, it would improve the AQI overnight. Getting people to purchase EVs over ICE cars is now a low-hanging fruit - much easier than getting Happy Seeders for all stubble-burning farmers in UP/Harayana.
Seems like a one-sided content. The idea that cars result in just 7% of the emissions so we don't need EVs there, is saying that just because i have 7% poison in my food its okay to eat it. We need to solve for all the 100% of the emissions, and just making an effort to centralise the same for cars, could significantly improve things immediately, the moment other norms and policies kick in. About batteries in landfills. Battery recycling is another lucrative new field coming forward, driving the same via policies is what will generate the right push. This could also be said for companies that are absorbing greenhouse gases from the environment and selling them as products.
16:36 I think it will be thrown away only when there is not much reactive elements available. Let's see in the future. Whether there are cases reported regarding battery pack based landfill fires?
They are insinuating as if all landfill fires are caused by dumped batteries. There is no proof given to this end but this is what their claim sounds like to avg viewer
Really amazing video guys It addresses lot of the mojor issues with evs and this greenwashing trend thats been going on. I have been really enjoying "The Perspective " series, Its a really great initiative and a more relevant "Patriot Act" for the indian context
@@Zero1byZerodhaHow can you only respond to the eye opener comments and not to the comments which properly shows the problems in your video. If you feel what you are spreading is right, please do respond to them and come to a conclusion. Considering my personal opinion and other comments, I think your owe an apology.
I want an EV not because it is green, but because there is no penalty on having fun on one. I can go slow and it will cost 90p/km. If I go bonkers, it will cost Rs.1.5/km. The corresponding figure for a Turbo Petrol will be 8/km and 20/km. EVs have democratised performance. You can get a 500hp+ EV (BYD Seal) for a price lower than a 200BHP Hybrid (Camry) or a 180hp ICE (Skoda Superb). A comparable 500hp+ ICE car costs 3x of the BYD Seal.
Same.. I was planning to upgrade to a Ninja 300 or a Duke 390 but instead I gambled and bought the Ultraviolette F77.. best decision of my life.. I have put 5000kms on the ODO basically free (charging is free at the showroom and negligible at home).. 2 services completed also under 1.5k combined.. and I'm getting almost the same performance as the KTM or the Ninja but with more IOT features and premium customer treatment.. Meanwhile I would've spent like 5k every month for petrol and 3k to 7k for service every 6 months for the petrol bikes..
@@8_Bit_Gamer-en4ys I couldn't find the courage to do it for the motorcycle. Got the Speed 400 instead. But definitely the next car is going to be an EV.
You've touched on some critical points regarding battery and electricity production's environmental impact, but there's room for improvement in addressing EV charging infrastructure and range anxiety. It seems your insight might benefit from more hands-on experience with EVs beyond mere test drives. While your depiction of charging infrastructure may reflect a snapshot from a couple of years ago, the reality has progressed significantly. Personal usage over a month, including long drives, could reveal a far more robust charging infrastructure than portrayed. Drawing from my own year-long EV experience, encountering charging issues has been rare, with home charging being the norm. Additionally, there's a misconception about charging speeds, particularly in regions like India, where 30KW chargers dominate due to cost considerations. However, global trends are witnessing the emergence of faster chargers like 120, 150, and even 360KW units. Moreover, EV battery production isn't confined to Korea but spans countries like China and Japan. These batteries are often assembled where they're manufactured, not necessarily in Germany. Furthermore, EV assembly isn't limited to the US; most non-Tesla EVs are manufactured in China or Korea and exported from there. Lastly, it's essential to correct the misconception about India's energy mix, where 40 percent is sourced from renewable sources, challenging the notion that it's solely reliant on coal.
CNG doesn’t have range problem Lmao that’s why companies still give petrol and cng combo not pure cng I have used eon cng for 9y from 2012 to 2021. The range on cng is even lesser (150km per tank) than my current car ie Nexon EV at 250km. Almost 2.5x And while getting 250km range, I don’t have to drive like a bullock cart in terms of performance
I have got an ev. Reason- Govt policies. They are banning the cars after 10/15 years. For a person like me who doesn't drive much, it is like throwing away a fairly unused car. Hence an ev that I might be able to use for a longer time, and that's how I think it might be beneficial for the environment as well.
these guys are only talking about impact of ev's on environment but not of IC cars, they are not comparing extraction, conversion, purification and transportation of crude oil and converting into petrol, diesel, engine oil, gear oil for ic engine which takes lots of energy, also they are not comparing maintenance of EV vs IC cars(which frequently demands change of engine oil, gear oil). also noise pollution, heat pollution and air pollution of urban areas where most of vehicle's are running. now a days world is heading towards renewable energy sources like solar energy, wind energy e.t.c . if ev are running on electricity which is generated by renewable, it will be completely game changer for environment.
Not sure about car bit i am using ev scooter.. I am pretty much happy with the performance and convenience for city ride. If you have solar grid at home and if your state government (I am still against it bit i am beneficiary) is providing free electricity then you can save lot of money. Personally i feel ev dont do polution in the city centre where majority of the public resides. Also no body talks of sound polution that ICE brings to the table...
These are some of the points I felt about the pollution. For ICE - 82% of crude oil is imported 1) Pollution while mining & processing of the fuel 2) Pollution while transporting the fuel via sea 3) Pollution while refining the fuel 4) Pollution while transporting from refineries to fuel stations 5) Pollution while using the ICE engines For EV (even considering usage of coal power plant) - 70% of coal is domestic 1) Pollution while Mining & processing of coal 2) Pollution while transporting the coal to thermal plant 3) Pollution while operating thermal power plant 3a) will be more efficient than small ICE engines 3b) transmission loss will be less 4) Pollution while Lithium mining, processing, transporting via sea etc. 4a) applicable only a few times (and comparatively less quantity required) in the lifetime of an EV. 4b) Possibility of reusing. 5) Pollution while transporting the coal via sea 5a) only for importing coal Please do notify me if I missed some points.
Interesting video. Any perks of watching your videos and sharing them? 😉 Have been doing it for quite sometime. I mean would this help me get a pass for zero1?
The comment section of this video just suggests how much eye washing has happened in the name of environmentally friendly EVs, that people aren't ready the accept to truth and dark reality of EVs. Kudos to you folks for actually speaking about this, since most others aren't ready to accept this, let alone make content about this. And also, our power grid has to support that electricity demand, our bridges and other infrastructure has to support that extra weight, since EVs are much heavier in mass as compared to ICE vehicles, etc etc. So all these are needed to be built from scratch, or modified to new standards...guess what from whose pockets these money will be coming.
Bro there is a whole growing industry for battery recycling. You should look into companies like Redwood Materials. Also look into companies working on lithium processing, because that's the limitation, not mining. As far as exploitation of poor countries is concerned, look at all the wars that crude oil has caused. ICE makers have a much stronger hold over media so it's easy to fall into such propaganda. This is meant as constructive criticism. Its great that you are digging into this topic.
Battery needs optimal temp to perform good, so HVAC inside car system utilities energy from battery to maintain its temp optimal as well as cabin temp ,which eventually discharge fast.
@Zero1byZerodha how can you only respond to the eye opener comments and not to the comments which properly shows the problems in your video. If you feel what you are spreading is right, please do respond to them and come to a conclusion. Considering my personal opinion and other comments, I think your owe an apology.
So the question is whether the environmental impact caused during the supply chain of EV battery better or worse than what ICE emission does over the period of 15 years
27Min full length information & fun. Kudos to graphic team! Nothing less than a watching an web series...❤Bluntly pointed out the facts from ground reality! What's the call then a) Be part of the green wash trend - Opt for Hybrid or EV b) Invest in EV segment & Utilize the money back to restore the mother Earth c) a & b d) Stick to ICE e) Let nature decides
1) EV batteries can be used for mobility till they have about 80% - 70% "health" compared to when new. After that they can and are used for storage purposes - renewable or inverter. Even after that, the scrap can and is re-usable. 2) Newer battery technologies will use sodium. Plenty available in the ocean. 3) On a hot day (Indian conditions, ambient 40°C) with an air-cooled or liquid cooled battery, my EV performance is at about 90% or more of what it is at night, all other things being equal. 4) Acceleration is not the reason why an EV is sold to most of the buyers - 2W / 3W / buses / trucks / commercial 4W. A very small set of super-car buyers may use acceleration as a USP. 5) My full charge at home takes me the full night, maybe more also, which is just fine. Since the subsidy on EVs is more for reducing urban air pollution, the usage is also mostly during the day, 0600-2200 (97%, as per data from one EV manufacturer in India). In addition, the National Grid is usually on surplus at night in India, and re-charging EVs at night tends to benefit from this. And yes, when I need a fast charge, there are an increasing number of DC fast charging stations all over India. 6) Within Indian conditions, EVs are being bought by 3W & 2W owners/operators - so the tacky sarcasm about EVs being for wealthy people only doesn't work. At the end of the day, the customer will decide, and so will the air quality around me. Very cheap video, not expected from Zerodha
Impact of moving to Veganism? From my understanding, A chicken eats few sacks for grains in lifetime which would barely last for few meals, instead if we eat the same grains that would last us for months. The multiplier just increases for goat, beef.. I think there are bigger forces to play like Deforestation just to get more agricultural land needed to produce meat. Like Brazil beef exports are increasing as the Amazon rainforest is being cut down. Thoughts?
11:17 There are lot of what if. Those what if doesn't exists for ICE vehicles just because of the long term evolution. EV evolution (actual changes) is just happening and is happening in rapid phase compared to the long ICE journey. Better wait a bit. I also faced lot of cases where EV was not charging/stopped in middle. But still my brother also bought EV. Find solutions and put them together with the problems rather than sacre everyone with what ifs. Eg: charger not working. If it is a problematic charger you may be able to know that prior via plugshare app. The same can happen to any good charger. When you plan you can plan for the next charging station also. Problem solved. Its not as simple as I say but possible.
@@Zero1byZerodhaCan you just go through these points and respond? You are getting a lot of positive responses but I think there are lot of points which are not considered. For ICE - 82% of crude oil is imported 1) Pollution while mining & processing of the fuel 2) Pollution while transporting the fuel via sea 3) Pollution while refining the fuel 4) Pollution while transporting from refineries to fuel stations 5) Pollution while using the ICE engines For EV (even considering usage of coal power plant) - 70% of coal is domestic 1) Pollution while Mining & processing of coal 2) Pollution while transporting the coal to thermal plant 3) Pollution while operating thermal power plant 3a) will be more efficient than small ICE engines 3b) transmission loss will be less 4) Pollution while Lithium mining, processing, transporting via sea etc. 4a) applicable only a few times (and comparatively less quantity required) in the lifetime of an EV. 4b) Possibility of reusing. 5) Pollution while transporting the coal via sea 5a) only for importing coal Please do notify me if I missed some points.
This is one of the rare instances where the video is based on ill research. Below are 10 pointers you might want to think about and how this video can be viewed: 1> Compare Apple to Pear if not with Orange - Do you think that both manufacturing impact and running impact should be compared for both Fossil fuels and EVs. And not just cherry picking of manufacturing impact of EVs? Just for the record all the environmental harm caused by the mining of rear metals (including for non ev uses) is less than just one oil spill. Just google to see how many oil spills happen every year for fuel needed to run that BMW. 2> 15% pollution - When next time you see your kid/s have messed up all the toys. In response to request to tidy up stuff, if you hear that they are contributing to only 15% of the mess in the house - what would be your response? 3> Child Labour - It is bigger problem EV is not a panacea which will solve all the worlds problems. It will however minimize one big problem's impact 4> Vegans and EVs: World is flat, read the book. I also hope you do not use online stores to buy stuff, going by your supply chain logic. 5> Disposing the batteries - EV batteries or batteries in general are not binary. Not completely usefully or useless. They age and have degradation over years. There's % reduction in their throughput. When they reach below a certain level they can be used for much lesser critical uses like the ones which are sitting your house for inverters. 6> M5 with rolling start - why would you need it? wouldnt torque produced by the 2 vehicle enough for you find out. Come on man, this is oil lobby. I hope you can see that the goal posts just changed to show that one participant is better or as good as the other in this case. 7> Richer people buy EVs - please find out what is the cost of Tiago EV and how many have been sold 8> Charging infrastructure - Please download PlugShare App. Plan 5 trips, of the most routes that you travel or plan to travel and call out if any of them are not having fast DC chargers 9> 4 hours for charging - where are you from mars? 10> ARI range also does the ICE engine testing also in the same settings. Please try to come up with solutions and not just sit and criticise. Watch this video before responding and stop just being a pawn of lobby. ruclips.net/video/zRNpDOtkeDs/видео.html
Goodness gracious, this is basically two guys who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Let me break their delusions : 1) Charging infrastructure : usually its better to charge at home but the infra is getting better day by day 2) Pollution : Petrol cars - pollution during mining of materials, manufacturing the car, mining of petrol, distillation of petrol, buring of petrol EV - Pollution during mining of material , manufacturing of car, generation of electricity 3) Rare earth elements : You don't burn lithium so you wont need like 1 metric tonne per year, and it is infinitely recyclable. Also there is more than enough lithium in the world to make batteries for all. Mining activities will slow down in next 20-30 years since battery makers will be using recycled lithium, circular economy. Moreover sodium Ion batteries are on the horizon which will basically be free. 4) Material needed for mining : Please do tell us about what is needed in petroleum mining. 5) Forest fires : How about oil spillage pollution? 6) Rare element extraction : As if petrol cars dont require many of the listed rare earth metals 7) Where is the electricity coming from : in india we have 70% fossil fuels and rest is renewable resources. with improving solar infrastructure it will only get better from here. 9) Performance : EV will always have more HP/Dollar than ICE. Cry about it. For people who want to actually understand this issue, please watch Nitin Gadkari's interview on Jist and not this mis-informed crap. Its easy to sit in AC rooms and talk shit, you'll know what burning petrol is when you're stuck in traffic on a hot summer afternoon and everyone around you is releasing fumes and you can't breathe.
13:20 dude really? Those batteries are IP 67 rated, they don't catch fire if you pour water on them. Who are these people anyway? Please put in engineers or scientists who actually know what they are talking about and not petrolwashing people into not buying EVs
Very good video team. Suggestion to add possible solutions to these problems Like people doesn't have enough awareness on disposing batteries. So what could we do avoid this? Will recycling batteries will help? What could government to do create awareness? Just simple one or two lines possible solutions for serious problems might create a spark in potential entrepreneurs to pick up something and do something about it
I think almost all of the points could've been true 120 years ago if someone argued against petrol cars.. like horse carts are not going anywhere because: - There were not many petrol pumps 100 years ago. Half of them didnt work.. whereas a horse can eat grass anywhere.. so no range anxiety. - It creates too much pollution to extract iron and make cars while horses are naturally occurring. - Horse's life lasted much longer than a combustion engine 100 years ago.. and once its dead, you can bury it.. unlike the engine which is discarded. Point is there have been 120+ years of innovation on petrol engines while on electric, its been barely 30. All of these are engineering problems which can be solved but point is we have to start somewhere.
You guys are wrong about chargers, India has 60kw chargers which are not as fast as other developed countries but have more capacity than Indian cars can take, and the Apps to locate ev chargers also tell the current situation of chargers, whether they are working or not, how fast the chargers are and also while charging the stats, like how fast your car being charged. Also, after the end of battery life the batteries can be recycled into new batteries, no one is gonna throw battery, companies take them back for a new one, also many companies are in the business of battery recycling they, turn the degraded battery into its components which can be used to remake battery. Also, if proper safety standards are put in place, EVs are much safer than ICE. Lithium extraction is currently energy consuming, but so is Oil. There's no comparison both are bad for environment. If we humans want to live we have to do things that are gonna negatively impact environment, but the thing is we need to be more and more efficient and also do things to make are net impact at least neutral.
Why is air pollution considered here. Isn't it supposed to be carbon emissions? In that category, vehicle emissions are the highest. So using EVs will make a noticeable impact. And once electricity is moved to renewable energy, the footprint is further reduced.
The presenters don’t even know the difference between air pollution (CO, NOx, SOx, PM2.5) and global warming (CO2, CH4, CFC) And yet they pretend to be armchair expert on EV and environment by showing dozens of elements on periodic table with pretty graphics which aren’t even used in EV battery
Hydrogen fuel cells you mean ? ,I think hydrogen is not a rare element but producing them is also energy consuming I think also it's difficult to store/pump they require special methods also it is highly flammable but a direct fuel cell vehicle hypothetically could be better for say without a battery just the fuel cell powering the motors on demand something like that , battery helps in regulating the power but dono id that's possible with hydrogen,for hydrogen combustion engines the same problem I believe since it's harder to pump we might need special pumps to send them into cylinders
10:35 what a perspective. Really he 'thinks how it works', and want to bash it without any credible backing for his perspective. Get a real 'unbiased and educated' before you get into mudslinging about you (personally) don't like and want to be a gear/petrol-head to protect the ICE era.
Pls make a video of how a petrol car is made? Take an example of your Polo GT. And compair it with ev. That will be more intersting. It feels like a one sided biased affer.
More specifically how is the oil used to drive the car is made Battery metal mining is one time affair for 200kg battery How many thousand litres of fuel needed to drive an ice car for 1lakh km?
According to the transcript, the video used the word "think" 22 times, which is quite a lot of "thinking" and too little research. If you have to say "I think", just admit you're guessing and it means a gap in awareness.
You cannot brush it off with a cheeky disclaimer, "this is a perspective on EV, not a judgement on ICE vs EV"
8:45 - Tiago base model being compared to EV top model isnt all that fair no?
Tiago XE CNG : 7.8L, Tiago EV XE : 8.4L (both OTR MUMBAI pre subsidy). This tiago ICE is MT and not AT like EV is.
Tiago XZ CNG AMT : 10L, Tiago EV XZ+ : 11.5L
I don't know about your math but it doesn't look like 40% costlier to me. These prices do not include any subsidy as MH subsidy quota has expired long time ago.
9:04 - 50% tata tiago EV sales come from tier 2/3 cities that too from women buyers via AUTOCAR INDIA.
9:49 - I wouldn't blame you for not knowing being non EV owner, but please, when next time you're asked about EV, give answers instead of questions. Plugshare app lists all chargers in india (and beyond).
10:11 - charging time listed as 4 hours, which is 30-45min irl, not 4h. If you're going to be using slow charging thats possible with any 15A socket, no specific charging infra required.
10:13 - luckily the cable is long enough most of times to reach your car if you block the offender in place for hogging a charging port. They deserve as much for being callous.
10:17 - again, cant insist enough : plugshare.
10:37 - again, thinking rather than giving solid answer, just google. The avg EV in west has 100kWh battery. The avg EV in india has 25kWh. What charging time they achieve with 150kW chargers, we do with 50kW chargers.
10:42 - Hyundai Ioniq 5 @ 50L charges in 18min, and gives 500km range. Tiago EV @ 10L takes 45min and gives 200km range.
11:38 - it is made out to be an EV problem when it really is an ARAI problem. The said "15%" transport emissions will look much worse if we knew the actual real mileage and emissions of our cars, because guess what? same testing procedure is used for mileage testing as well.
12:18 - electric cars already have liquid cooling, LFP performs better in hotter climate (30ºC) than NMC which performs better in cooler climate (10ºC). Your statement would be valid if no one was using EVs in RJ and GJ but spoiler alert, they are using it just fine with almost no range drop over someone in KA or KL or UP or NCR.
13:09 - we have 180K and 160K driven nexon EVs on our owners group with zero range drop. Again, unsubstantiated claims giving wrong PERSPECTIVE as we call it here.
13:22 - then why spread misinformation if you do not know? If the change of battery is under warranty, the cells are refurbished by tata chemicals in case of tata. For MG, they have partnered with Attero for recycling.
13:38 - all EVs sold in india and abroad are IP67 Rated. You can easily drive in rain and waterlogged streets without fear of fire or hydrolocking as in case of ICE car. Again, please refrain from fearmongering. There have been only 2 nexon EV fires, both due to chinese accesories. Whereas ICE car fires are much more common, last week seltos on Ooty road, just search fire in news tab of google, every car you can think of has had multiple instances of fire.
13:47 - again, you act as if fire dept waits for electrical fires to burn out and humanity doesn't have any solution to EV fire. Fire extinguishers come in multiple variety, FOAM and CO2 variant are perfectly apt for EV or any electrical fire for that matter.
14:55 - Listing down random elements from periodic table doesn't help your case with trust and reliability of info. 80% EVs sold in india are LFP, using just lithium and iron phosphate. Other 20% are NMC, which use Nickel Manganese and Cobalt, but this is only for uber luxurious EVs above 50L. Rest of the elements are not used in EV battery or any other part for that matter.
15:10 - unlike oil which is burnt off during usage, lithium isn't. Avg EV in india with 25kWh Battery uses just 2.5kg lithium for lifetime of vehicle (1.6L km in worst case if battery dies exactly 1 day after warranty). For same period, even 20kmpl ICE car will use 8000L of fuel ie 6000kg of fuel which is burnt and never coming back. Avg battery size for global EV is 60kWh ie ~6kg lithium. Thats enough lithium for 4.3B cars in the world. There are ~1.4B cars. We can make 3x more EVs than current existing ICE cars. And which can be recycled in closed cycle to make battery for new EVs.
15:31-16:14 - 45s rant on battery production, but no word on the extraction of oil from oil rigs, the transport of oil via huge tankers which make up 40% of cargo fleet, and refining it using by burning same fossil fuels to heat the fractional distillation chamber? 100% of points mentioned apply as is to oil supply chain. Its only fair to compare battery to oil production and power plants to tailpipe, yet I see a huge gap in the LHS and RHS of the equations.
16:45 - are you squarely implying that landfill fires are caused by discarded batteries? because unless you have solid proof to verify this, this statement is very misleading. Its as if you're attributing entire issue of landfill fires to ev battery which aren't even present in the landfill unlike your claims
18:44 - you are confusing global warming and pollution. CO2 and CH4 are causing global warming, not pollution, former of which is the exhaust of ICE cars and latter of which is what CNG and LPG made of. Pollution has many components such as SOx NOx, particulate and hydrocarbons which are not emitted by construction, the biggest contributor to PM2.5.
19:26 - again, no word on oil extraction refining and transport? Either do production + driving emissions for both, or omit for both, why emit production emissions for oil, but include it for EV? Either compare tailpipe to power plant and stop there or add oil supply chain emissions also.
20:14 - they are laid out in paddy like fields and evaporated naturally, where do you see burners and furnaces in the desert?
20:23 - the refining process is done by china acc to you just few frames later, but here you're counting it in south america itself??
20:45 - nickel is not used in 80% of EVs sold in India. Tata and MG both use LFP which neither uses nickel, nor cobalt.
21:23 - you know what else uses cobalt? Oil refining. To remove sulphur from the crude oil, it is treated with cobalt-molybdenum catalysts to remove it. But ig you won't know it since you're "thinking" a whole lot. As a chemical engineer, I know my trade. Please do not mansplain stuff you yourself aren't aware about.
22:06 - again, lot of misinformation. China refines the metals and makes the individual cells (and sometimes battery pack as in case of BYD and CATL). The battery is not made in south korea, the battery for MG and Tata cars are assembled in india itself, after importing cells from china (GotionGX manufacturer), and no germany did not even come into the picture.
22:12 - For vehicles built and sold in germany yes, but not EVERY EV. Tesla makes their cells in their own gigafactory. Only chinese tesla models use chinese cells. Rest are made in germany and usa itself. battery pack is assembled where ever car is assembled. DON'T BE ARMCHAIR EXPERTS ON TOPICS YOU DON'T KNOW.
22:19 - Even the 50L Ioniq 5 and 2cr Benz EQS EV is assembled in India. Same for volvo C40 and XC40. 80% of EVs in india, sold by Tata and MG, both are made in INDIA itself, only cells are imported, rest 100% assembly is on indian shores.
22:32 - which is also used in oil refining, for far longer than EV existed.
23:05 - India has a 60-40 split of fossil and renewable energy. Some states like HP have more hydro than fossil, states like RJ, GJ, KA have more solar than fossil. In many states, renewables are greater share of grid than coal. ICE car will always be 100% fossil powered only. Even in hybrid the energy comes from burning fuel only. EV with 40% clean energy is better than 0% clean energy in ICE cars. ICCT study concurs (same guys who discovered VW Dieselgate)
24:26 - same for Oil also, extracted in saudi or UAE or qatar or iran, then shipped to their refinery in usa russia, then shipped back again to india, how is it any different? At least with EV, the import is one time factor - then the metals are all yours to recycle and use. Not so with oil which is concurrent import, 80% of oil is imported, and it is a huge drain on forex.
26:12 - we import oil from OPEC in ME, russia is very small portion of oil source for india. We buy the cheaper oil and export the refined product to europe because they don't want to buy it from russia directly. We do not use it ourselves.
26:25 - At least with EV, the import is one time factor - then the metals are all yours to recycle and use. Not so with oil which is concurrent import, 80% of oil is imported, and it is a huge drain on forex.
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Very shallow video, reflects the lack of knowledge on the part of both the persons.
just a geniune question, how do you know all this? do you work in the EV industry?
edit: i get it you're a chemical engineer
@@control_the_narrative - I usually don't respond to anonymous handles BUT shall make an exception.
NOPE, I do not work in the EV industry, actually I'm well and truly retired. Apart from confidential road testing of mostly cars but also other heavier vehicles, that also is time-pass.
a) Learnt how to operate, repair, modify cars & then all sorts of engines as a child. Kept at it for about 60 years now across technologies on land and over water.
b) Been driving BEVs since 1997 in India and 1999 in Umrika. Follow the complete automobile industry - was motoring media before it became PR driven. Also follow the fossil fuels industry.
c) BEVs are inevitable, though I do opine that within India, they will be more for 2W, 3W, micro-mini 4W commercial, cabs, city buses and a few other niche uses. Private car EVs are a bit of a waste of resources and IMHO should be taxed at the same level as private car ICE engines - especially the luxury and heavier models/variants.
Thanks for this detailed info for busting misinformation in this video.
Wow.. that was one hell of a episode.. loved it!
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I remember, in my childhood, Plastics were marketed as the earth saving wonder material....Just like Abid said, economy needs consumers and consumers need variety...
I traveled from Bengaluru to Tirupati in an electric bus. It was soo smooth I actually got convinced on EVs
That's great that you had a smooth ride on an EV bus! But we can't ignore the bigger picture. Companies often profit by shifting pollution elsewhere, and most people don't realize until it affects them directly.
I don’t get chemistry much and mining heavy earth metals is obviously very energy intensive. But still sound pollution is reduced for sure. Air pollution maybe in long run and we need a lot of work on battery recycling.
These two dudes have no clue what they are saying
@@mithoonm2278 how is oil made and where is the pollution shifted? To gulf countries right?
No compare 200kg battery in EV to thousands of litres of oil used by single car for its lifetime.
It’s obvious that the amount of oil needed is much larger than amount of metals needed for battery. Naturally, so is the emissions from oil production compared to battery production
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Interesting perspective, but it's worth noting that while the production of oil may have a lesser environmental impact compared to burning it, the overall lifecycle emissions from fossil fuel consumption are still substantial. Considering the significant amount of fossil fuels used in the manufacturing process of EVs, it's a valid concern whether this transition is truly sustainable in the long term. So, it's essential to weigh the broader environmental benefits of reducing our reliance on fossil fuels. It's a complex issue, but one worth exploring for the sake of our planet's future
On fuel basis, research points to ev being more efficient even if the electricity is generated and transmitted for charging using petrol/diesel that would have used to run ICE car.
Yes it is but it becomes greener only after 100,000 Kms or so.
@@CuriousSeeker09 yes considering lifecycle emissions.
These guys didn't talk about environmental cost of fossil fuels :)
They are first mined, separated which requires lot of fuel and dangerous chemicals.
Transported on oil container most probably run on coal or third grade oil.
Then from port they are transported to different parts on oil tankers.
You think oil is clean :)
I would say the video is very short sighted and not analysed properly. Fossil fuel industry is polluting on a continuous basis. On top of it, for EV it is an incidental cost. The guest here does not know how the battery works and many more things. I would listen to them to understand how others think but that's all
so true
I think they deliberately make this video to demotivate EV buyers with half baked information.
Lol lithium, used in batteries is mined too, quite horribly too. Their disposable is even more worse to the environment
@@tagore161 lithium is not disposed but recycled. Once mined it can be recycled lot of times.
And lithium is very small part of battery, but very important one. For example, for LFP chemistry most minerals used are iron and phosphorus
I think most of the problems mentioned here are temporary. Combustion engine uses fuels which is not sustainable. Electrical energy is renewable and this makes EVs sustainable. Even though current methods of generating electricity is using fossil fuels mainly, there are a lot of renewable methods which simply do not exist for combustion engine. Better ways of storing electricity are being developed. So looking towards the future, we eventually need to shift to EVs at some point of time, so the infrastructure needs to be ready by that time. We can't really start thinking about it once the fuels like petrol, diesel and natural gas are depleted.
I think this was a major point missed in the video and it came out in a way as to stop people from buying EVs.
I don't agree. Even after the launch of EVs and discovering the harsh reality a few years ago, I still convinced myself, like you, that some innovation would occur and we'd get better electric and eco-friendly solutions. However, upon examining current capitalist industries selling EVs, they show no interest in such innovation; they're simply trying to extract more horsepower or fit more lithium into cars to increase range. No one is discussing finding alternatives or fostering innovation, which is already alarming and contributing to pollution. It's reminiscent of plastic innovation, which has polluted the entire Earth without us finding proper ways to decompose it or clean our planet. We need to halt the push for EVs and prioritize innovation in something sustainable, or at least stop branding/marketing them as green or eco-friendly and offering subsidies.
P.S. I worked at Tata Motors.
It is not about demoralising buying EVs, but it gives a perspective that it's not all well.... These are the precise videos which can ignite an entrepreneur's mind so that they may look to solve these issues.
I've been hearing this "hum honge kaamyaab" song for EVs since a decade now and the only thing that they're doing is jacking up the Li ion battery's capacity to increase the range and change the shape of the batteries.
Talking of so called sustainability, another greenwashing term in my honest opinion, the Li ion battery will die and the car's resale value will be zilch. Look at the super expensive Merc EV, it has a depreciation of a whopping 50%on just one year! Also nobody knows the disposal policy of the toxic Li ion batteries which itself will be a huge environmental hazard.
All in all, to be it might just be with good intentions but our govt seems to be in hand in gloves with the globalist megalomaniac organization the WEF to try and impose these battery operated toy cars on us Indians. Jai Hind.
@@7567_Rex take any EV for that case, I was only quoting an example of a car with the worst depreciation.
Bro is just optimistic rather than being realist
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Go though the other comment also to understand the depth of some of the concerns or practicality.
12:20 The same ARAI is giving same mileage figures to ICE cars in same method only. Right? The testing method will change and EV's will come up with different tests in future. Till then it is better to get range idea from the owners in your area. Similar to mileage in ICE cars, it is highly dependent on driving style, braking style, terrain etc. There are battery cooling systems which take care of keeping battery temperature within range.
The facts are just soooo damn good... I will choose you guys to prove something anyday until it's true .. ... Love the way you present the topics . .❤
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guy's this is more of a subjective video than factual, obviously in the long run EVs are THE thing, but to get there you need to start somewhere, and that start by you, is a good thing, eventually the extraction process will become more environmental friendly, there are a lot of undiscovered reserves still not found, take for example recent biggest reserves were found in Nevada, Iran and Sweden, on top of that these are rechargeable batteries which can be charged with renewable energy take Tesla's solar roof for example, unlike petrol, + these batteries are recyclable the lithium and other metals can be reused + >90% of energy in EVs is converted to kinetic energy in contrast only 20% is in ice, + the biggest thing of them all these are just the early days of when people are starting to realise this has potential and will seemingly attract more research towards making this whole system more efficient and environment friendly.
I don't understand the obsetion with EV, hydrogen power clearly doesn't have any of these issues and still people think they are worse... I get it they can't store energy as efficiently as a battery pack, but clearly they make up for it by preventing mining for rare metals. People think that problem with petrol is that it release CO2, but actual problem is scarcity, which clearly is even bigger issue in EVs
Such under researched videos are not expected from Zero1. More so pointed by the fact that You repeatedly used the word "think". Multiple studies have already made it clear that the lifetime emissions of an EV, considering everything you mentioned, is much less than an ICE vehicle.
Zero1 needs your attention
Really bad content
Lol lookup how ev batteries are made. Look up how they're disposed off. Not eco friendly at all. Also, electricity is made burning coal primarily in India, which is more polluting than petrol/diesel.
Wake up
@@tagore161 Did you read what I wrote? Or writing a response is more important to you?
@@tagore161These are my assessment on pollution
For ICE - 82% of crude oil is imported
1) Pollution while mining & processing of the fuel
2) Pollution while transporting the fuel via sea
3) Pollution while refining the fuel
4) Pollution while transporting from refineries to fuel stations
5) Pollution while using the ICE engines
For EV (even considering usage of coal power plant) - 70% of coal is domestic
1) Pollution while Mining & processing of coal
2) Pollution while transporting the coal to thermal plant
3) Pollution while operating thermal power plant
3a) will be more efficient than small ICE engines
3b) transmission loss will be less
4) Pollution while Lithium mining, processing, transporting via sea etc.
4a) applicable only a few times (and comparatively less quantity required) in the lifetime of an EV.
4b) Possibility of reusing.
5) Pollution while transporting the coal via sea
5a) only for importing coal
Please do notify me if I missed some points.
i think they will have heart attack when they come to know that oil in petrol pump is not created there but is extracted from other countries, then moved to other countries to process oil to petrol, where half of crude oil is lost, then it is again transported to central places in India, from where it gets transported by trucks then to petrol pump. And don't get started on ethanol which is now 20% of the petrol that we get. These videos never get Apple to Apple comparison. Its always, lets bash EV or lets bash ICE. EV is definitely the future as the energy storage gets higher density at lower cost in near future. And these people stilll dont realise we use lithium batteries in mobile and laptops. They should stop using them !!
Excellent video on Electric Vehicles
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13:24 Firstly please mention when this situation arises. Then second is that a battery pack consists of lot of battery cells and it is possible to replace the damaged ones alone. Even degraded cells can be used as secondary cells for solar or other energy storage requirments. More than 50% of battery is reusable (more than 90% as google says).
FYI, Both Reliance and Adani group are developing large solar farms to make India Self reliant on Power Consumption. This may help tackling problems in power generation. 26:05
EV batteries are not thrown away, each mineral is recycled with 95%+ purity and reused. These minerals can be recycled lot of times.
So once a mineral is mined, it can be reused at least for 200+years, even more.
Battery recycling industry is goinng to be billion dollar industry soon. Already some India companies are doing it in small scale.
Scale will go up with more batteries. So stop worrying about mining and battery waste.
This process will take some decades and then things will be normal.
Very irresponsible commentary by the host and the guest.
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In a city like Delhi where 40% of pollution is because of vehicular emissions, if everyone drove an EV, it would improve the AQI overnight.
Getting people to purchase EVs over ICE cars is now a low-hanging fruit - much easier than getting Happy Seeders for all stubble-burning farmers in UP/Harayana.
Seems like a one-sided content. The idea that cars result in just 7% of the emissions so we don't need EVs there, is saying that just because i have 7% poison in my food its okay to eat it.
We need to solve for all the 100% of the emissions, and just making an effort to centralise the same for cars, could significantly improve things immediately, the moment other norms and policies kick in.
About batteries in landfills. Battery recycling is another lucrative new field coming forward, driving the same via policies is what will generate the right push. This could also be said for companies that are absorbing greenhouse gases from the environment and selling them as products.
16:36 I think it will be thrown away only when there is not much reactive elements available. Let's see in the future. Whether there are cases reported regarding battery pack based landfill fires?
They are insinuating as if all landfill fires are caused by dumped batteries. There is no proof given to this end but this is what their claim sounds like to avg viewer
15:16 When you compare fuel and Lithium, fuel is something you need daily and Lithum is something you need 2-5 times in a vehicle life time.
Happy to see you here manu ji, big fan
@@7567_RexThanks for your nice words.
Did not know so much about EVs!
Thank You for this episod!
I love this channel, can't believe I found something so fun
Really amazing video guys
It addresses lot of the mojor issues with evs and this greenwashing trend thats been going on.
I have been really enjoying "The Perspective " series, Its a really great initiative and a more relevant "Patriot Act" for the indian context
Hey thank you :)
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@@Zero1byZerodhaHow can you only respond to the eye opener comments and not to the comments which properly shows the problems in your video. If you feel what you are spreading is right, please do respond to them and come to a conclusion. Considering my personal opinion and other comments, I think your owe an apology.
Eye opener video, great research zero1 team.🎉🎉
Nice graphics this time.. thanks for enlightening
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8:21 wrong Tesla roadster was shown. This is a teased product and not an actual product. That roadster was different.
Got it thanks for pointing 🙏
I want an EV not because it is green, but because there is no penalty on having fun on one. I can go slow and it will cost 90p/km. If I go bonkers, it will cost Rs.1.5/km. The corresponding figure for a Turbo Petrol will be 8/km and 20/km. EVs have democratised performance. You can get a 500hp+ EV (BYD Seal) for a price lower than a 200BHP Hybrid (Camry) or a 180hp ICE (Skoda Superb). A comparable 500hp+ ICE car costs 3x of the BYD Seal.
Same.. I was planning to upgrade to a Ninja 300 or a Duke 390 but instead I gambled and bought the Ultraviolette F77.. best decision of my life.. I have put 5000kms on the ODO basically free (charging is free at the showroom and negligible at home).. 2 services completed also under 1.5k combined.. and I'm getting almost the same performance as the KTM or the Ninja but with more IOT features and premium customer treatment.. Meanwhile I would've spent like 5k every month for petrol and 3k to 7k for service every 6 months for the petrol bikes..
@@8_Bit_Gamer-en4ys I couldn't find the courage to do it for the motorcycle. Got the Speed 400 instead. But definitely the next car is going to be an EV.
You've touched on some critical points regarding battery and electricity production's environmental impact, but there's room for improvement in addressing EV charging infrastructure and range anxiety. It seems your insight might benefit from more hands-on experience with EVs beyond mere test drives. While your depiction of charging infrastructure may reflect a snapshot from a couple of years ago, the reality has progressed significantly. Personal usage over a month, including long drives, could reveal a far more robust charging infrastructure than portrayed. Drawing from my own year-long EV experience, encountering charging issues has been rare, with home charging being the norm. Additionally, there's a misconception about charging speeds, particularly in regions like India, where 30KW chargers dominate due to cost considerations. However, global trends are witnessing the emergence of faster chargers like 120, 150, and even 360KW units. Moreover, EV battery production isn't confined to Korea but spans countries like China and Japan. These batteries are often assembled where they're manufactured, not necessarily in Germany. Furthermore, EV assembly isn't limited to the US; most non-Tesla EVs are manufactured in China or Korea and exported from there. Lastly, it's essential to correct the misconception about India's energy mix, where 40 percent is sourced from renewable sources, challenging the notion that it's solely reliant on coal.
You forgot about GM EV1 which was released in 1996 but killed a few years later.
8:05 Wrong Roadster.
We should more shift towards cng because its dosent have range problem and more clean fuel and mostly produced by india it self
CNG doesn’t have range problem
Lmao that’s why companies still give petrol and cng combo not pure cng
I have used eon cng for 9y from 2012 to 2021. The range on cng is even lesser (150km per tank) than my current car ie Nexon EV at 250km. Almost 2.5x
And while getting 250km range, I don’t have to drive like a bullock cart in terms of performance
@@7567_Rex cng less power give you problem than go for any other fuel but cng have 220-250 km range in my punch cng
Yo guy, before trashing EV, please for god's sake, study the molar wt equation of Lithium battery. You have got all this very wrong.
They basically dont know what they are talking about. Absolutely mis-informed episode.
I have got an ev. Reason- Govt policies. They are banning the cars after 10/15 years. For a person like me who doesn't drive much, it is like throwing away a fairly unused car. Hence an ev that I might be able to use for a longer time, and that's how I think it might be beneficial for the environment as well.
these guys are only talking about impact of ev's on environment but not of IC cars, they are not comparing extraction, conversion, purification and transportation of crude oil and converting into petrol, diesel, engine oil, gear oil for ic engine which takes lots of energy, also they are not comparing maintenance of EV vs IC cars(which frequently demands change of engine oil, gear oil). also noise pollution, heat pollution and air pollution of urban areas where most of vehicle's are running. now a days world is heading towards renewable energy sources like solar energy, wind energy e.t.c . if ev are running on electricity which is generated by renewable, it will be completely game changer for environment.
Not sure about car bit i am using ev scooter.. I am pretty much happy with the performance and convenience for city ride. If you have solar grid at home and if your state government (I am still against it bit i am beneficiary) is providing free electricity then you can save lot of money. Personally i feel ev dont do polution in the city centre where majority of the public resides. Also no body talks of sound polution that ICE brings to the table...
4:28 which is this race ?? which channel??
Thanks for having abid
I was confused about the EV advantage since years. But, this video backed with data changed my perspective completely. Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
These are some of the points I felt about the pollution.
For ICE - 82% of crude oil is imported
1) Pollution while mining & processing of the fuel
2) Pollution while transporting the fuel via sea
3) Pollution while refining the fuel
4) Pollution while transporting from refineries to fuel stations
5) Pollution while using the ICE engines
For EV (even considering usage of coal power plant) - 70% of coal is domestic
1) Pollution while Mining & processing of coal
2) Pollution while transporting the coal to thermal plant
3) Pollution while operating thermal power plant
3a) will be more efficient than small ICE engines
3b) transmission loss will be less
4) Pollution while Lithium mining, processing, transporting via sea etc.
4a) applicable only a few times (and comparatively less quantity required) in the lifetime of an EV.
4b) Possibility of reusing.
5) Pollution while transporting the coal via sea
5a) only for importing coal
Please do notify me if I missed some points.
Thanks for making this video... it was thought provoking and please continue the series❤ i can't wait for the next video on fast fashion
Sure :)
Thanks for the honest content! Keep it up!
Very informative video.
Crisp and concise
Byd blade battery isn't explode.
9.55 to 10.9 .. almost died laughing 😂😂😂😂😂
Interesting video. Any perks of watching your videos and sharing them? 😉 Have been doing it for quite sometime. I mean would this help me get a pass for zero1?
All we can say is thank you. Your love is what keeps us going ❤️🙏
Finally I am commenting after watching the complete video 😂
Thank you Tejas ❤️
I Think Sodium Ion Battery Can Solve Most Of The problems Listed in Video but we have to invest in R&D in Sodium Battery . What U guys think About it?
@4:40 tesla in the animation did beat the already speeding M5. hahahaha!!
😄😄 yaa.....its ok 😊
very insightful tx for making this, I can see too much opportunities to start something.
@ 25:55 Just loved your dialogue.
27:13 that ending XD 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The comment section of this video just suggests how much eye washing has happened in the name of environmentally friendly EVs, that people aren't ready the accept to truth and dark reality of EVs. Kudos to you folks for actually speaking about this, since most others aren't ready to accept this, let alone make content about this.
And also, our power grid has to support that electricity demand, our bridges and other infrastructure has to support that extra weight, since EVs are much heavier in mass as compared to ICE vehicles, etc etc. So all these are needed to be built from scratch, or modified to new standards...guess what from whose pockets these money will be coming.
Freaking top notch work!
Let's make owners of electric cars feel guilty.
Bro there is a whole growing industry for battery recycling. You should look into companies like Redwood Materials.
Also look into companies working on lithium processing, because that's the limitation, not mining.
As far as exploitation of poor countries is concerned, look at all the wars that crude oil has caused.
ICE makers have a much stronger hold over media so it's easy to fall into such propaganda.
This is meant as constructive criticism. Its great that you are digging into this topic.
exactly bro, this is a half baked and misinformed video at best. Just aimed to sensationalize this topic for views and nothing else.
EVs are a starting point in the right direction.. They might not be the best for the env now but they're def good for the env in the future.
Battery needs optimal temp to perform good, so HVAC inside car system utilities energy from battery to maintain its temp optimal as well as cabin temp ,which eventually discharge fast.
Now that's a perfect video for this wonderful Sunday evening .. ...
Jaldi kuch mast khana mangwa leta hu , ...🌚
Enjoy :)
@Zero1byZerodha how can you only respond to the eye opener comments and not to the comments which properly shows the problems in your video. If you feel what you are spreading is right, please do respond to them and come to a conclusion. Considering my personal opinion and other comments, I think your owe an apology.
14:14 video starts here!
So the question is whether the environmental impact caused during the supply chain of EV battery better or worse than what ICE emission does over the period of 15 years
This guy's are so good ❤
Superb video❤
27Min full length information & fun. Kudos to graphic team! Nothing less than a watching an web series...❤Bluntly pointed out the facts from ground reality! What's the call then a) Be part of the green wash trend - Opt for Hybrid or EV
b) Invest in EV segment & Utilize the money back to restore the mother Earth
c) a & b
d) Stick to ICE
e) Let nature decides
Thank you for the appreciation ❤️❤️
Met both of you in fest.
OGs
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Now I can share this video to my friends who didn't understood what I was trying to explain about EV's few months back
1) EV batteries can be used for mobility till they have about 80% - 70% "health" compared to when new. After that they can and are used for storage purposes - renewable or inverter. Even after that, the scrap can and is re-usable.
2) Newer battery technologies will use sodium. Plenty available in the ocean.
3) On a hot day (Indian conditions, ambient 40°C) with an air-cooled or liquid cooled battery, my EV performance is at about 90% or more of what it is at night, all other things being equal.
4) Acceleration is not the reason why an EV is sold to most of the buyers - 2W / 3W / buses / trucks / commercial 4W. A very small set of super-car buyers may use acceleration as a USP.
5) My full charge at home takes me the full night, maybe more also, which is just fine. Since the subsidy on EVs is more for reducing urban air pollution, the usage is also mostly during the day, 0600-2200 (97%, as per data from one EV manufacturer in India). In addition, the National Grid is usually on surplus at night in India, and re-charging EVs at night tends to benefit from this. And yes, when I need a fast charge, there are an increasing number of DC fast charging stations all over India.
6) Within Indian conditions, EVs are being bought by 3W & 2W owners/operators - so the tacky sarcasm about EVs being for wealthy people only doesn't work.
At the end of the day, the customer will decide, and so will the air quality around me.
Very cheap video, not expected from Zerodha
Impact of moving to Veganism? From my understanding, A chicken eats few sacks for grains in lifetime which would barely last for few meals, instead if we eat the same grains that would last us for months. The multiplier just increases for goat, beef.. I think there are bigger forces to play like Deforestation just to get more agricultural land needed to produce meat. Like Brazil beef exports are increasing as the Amazon rainforest is being cut down. Thoughts?
Completed the video, I'll say again - so much misinformation will be spread through this video due to under research.
11:17 There are lot of what if. Those what if doesn't exists for ICE vehicles just because of the long term evolution. EV evolution (actual changes) is just happening and is happening in rapid phase compared to the long ICE journey. Better wait a bit. I also faced lot of cases where EV was not charging/stopped in middle. But still my brother also bought EV. Find solutions and put them together with the problems rather than sacre everyone with what ifs.
Eg: charger not working. If it is a problematic charger you may be able to know that prior via plugshare app. The same can happen to any good charger. When you plan you can plan for the next charging station also. Problem solved. Its not as simple as I say but possible.
Really amazing video guys.
I suggest to add some more numbers and statistics in addition to the current conversation & editing style❤
Got it will do :)
@@Zero1byZerodhaCan you just go through these points and respond? You are getting a lot of positive responses but I think there are lot of points which are not considered.
For ICE - 82% of crude oil is imported
1) Pollution while mining & processing of the fuel
2) Pollution while transporting the fuel via sea
3) Pollution while refining the fuel
4) Pollution while transporting from refineries to fuel stations
5) Pollution while using the ICE engines
For EV (even considering usage of coal power plant) - 70% of coal is domestic
1) Pollution while Mining & processing of coal
2) Pollution while transporting the coal to thermal plant
3) Pollution while operating thermal power plant
3a) will be more efficient than small ICE engines
3b) transmission loss will be less
4) Pollution while Lithium mining, processing, transporting via sea etc.
4a) applicable only a few times (and comparatively less quantity required) in the lifetime of an EV.
4b) Possibility of reusing.
5) Pollution while transporting the coal via sea
5a) only for importing coal
Please do notify me if I missed some points.
Are the ev s imported from US ?????NEXON ?
No
no man, they manufactured in India, these guys are just spreading mis-information.
Superb.....
This is one of the rare instances where the video is based on ill research.
Below are 10 pointers you might want to think about and how this video can be viewed:
1> Compare Apple to Pear if not with Orange - Do you think that both manufacturing impact and running impact should be compared for both Fossil fuels and EVs. And not just cherry picking of manufacturing impact of EVs? Just for the record all the environmental harm caused by the mining of rear metals (including for non ev uses) is less than just one oil spill. Just google to see how many oil spills happen every year for fuel needed to run that BMW.
2> 15% pollution - When next time you see your kid/s have messed up all the toys. In response to request to tidy up stuff, if you hear that they are contributing to only 15% of the mess in the house - what would be your response?
3> Child Labour - It is bigger problem EV is not a panacea which will solve all the worlds problems. It will however minimize one big problem's impact
4> Vegans and EVs: World is flat, read the book. I also hope you do not use online stores to buy stuff, going by your supply chain logic.
5> Disposing the batteries - EV batteries or batteries in general are not binary. Not completely usefully or useless. They age and have degradation over years. There's % reduction in their throughput. When they reach below a certain level they can be used for much lesser critical uses like the ones which are sitting your house for inverters.
6> M5 with rolling start - why would you need it? wouldnt torque produced by the 2 vehicle enough for you find out. Come on man, this is oil lobby. I hope you can see that the goal posts just changed to show that one participant is better or as good as the other in this case.
7> Richer people buy EVs - please find out what is the cost of Tiago EV and how many have been sold
8> Charging infrastructure - Please download PlugShare App. Plan 5 trips, of the most routes that you travel or plan to travel and call out if any of them are not having fast DC chargers
9> 4 hours for charging - where are you from mars?
10> ARI range also does the ICE engine testing also in the same settings.
Please try to come up with solutions and not just sit and criticise.
Watch this video before responding and stop just being a pawn of lobby.
ruclips.net/video/zRNpDOtkeDs/видео.html
Video editor needs a raise
Goodness gracious, this is basically two guys who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Let me break their delusions :
1) Charging infrastructure : usually its better to charge at home but the infra is getting better day by day
2) Pollution : Petrol cars - pollution during mining of materials, manufacturing the car, mining of petrol, distillation of petrol, buring of petrol
EV - Pollution during mining of material , manufacturing of car, generation of electricity
3) Rare earth elements : You don't burn lithium so you wont need like 1 metric tonne per year, and it is infinitely recyclable. Also there is more than enough lithium in the world to make batteries for all. Mining activities will slow down in next 20-30 years since battery makers will be using recycled lithium, circular economy. Moreover sodium Ion batteries are on the horizon which will basically be free.
4) Material needed for mining : Please do tell us about what is needed in petroleum mining.
5) Forest fires : How about oil spillage pollution?
6) Rare element extraction : As if petrol cars dont require many of the listed rare earth metals
7) Where is the electricity coming from : in india we have 70% fossil fuels and rest is renewable resources. with improving solar infrastructure it will only get better from here.
9) Performance : EV will always have more HP/Dollar than ICE. Cry about it.
For people who want to actually understand this issue, please watch Nitin Gadkari's interview on Jist and not this mis-informed crap. Its easy to sit in AC rooms and talk shit, you'll know what burning petrol is when you're stuck in traffic on a hot summer afternoon and everyone around you is releasing fumes and you can't breathe.
This episode would have been improved if it featured someone knowledgeable about EVs.
too good! lots of effort put in and can be seen in the video. And as far as saving planet goes, the only true way to save it is - DO NOT EXIST :p
also, we don't have that much clean energy to supply power to EV. i. e. still increasing Carbon footprint.
I have 3kwh solar system my running cost is zero
Just WOW. ❤
13:20 dude really? Those batteries are IP 67 rated, they don't catch fire if you pour water on them. Who are these people anyway? Please put in engineers or scientists who actually know what they are talking about and not petrolwashing people into not buying EVs
Very good video team. Suggestion to add possible solutions to these problems
Like people doesn't have enough awareness on disposing batteries. So what could we do avoid this?
Will recycling batteries will help?
What could government to do create awareness?
Just simple one or two lines possible solutions for serious problems might create a spark in potential entrepreneurs to pick up something and do something about it
Love these 2 guys
They misunderstood EVs
well that was very insightful.... can you guys breakdown facts about hydrogen powered cars?
I think almost all of the points could've been true 120 years ago if someone argued against petrol cars.. like horse carts are not going anywhere because:
- There were not many petrol pumps 100 years ago. Half of them didnt work.. whereas a horse can eat grass anywhere.. so no range anxiety.
- It creates too much pollution to extract iron and make cars while horses are naturally occurring.
- Horse's life lasted much longer than a combustion engine 100 years ago.. and once its dead, you can bury it.. unlike the engine which is discarded.
Point is there have been 120+ years of innovation on petrol engines while on electric, its been barely 30. All of these are engineering problems which can be solved but point is we have to start somewhere.
As Torreto said, it’s the driver and never the car
You guys are wrong about chargers, India has 60kw chargers which are not as fast as other developed countries but have more capacity than Indian cars can take, and the Apps to locate ev chargers also tell the current situation of chargers, whether they are working or not, how fast the chargers are and also while charging the stats, like how fast your car being charged.
Also, after the end of battery life the batteries can be recycled into new batteries, no one is gonna throw battery, companies take them back for a new one, also many companies are in the business of battery recycling they, turn the degraded battery into its components which can be used to remake battery.
Also, if proper safety standards are put in place, EVs are much safer than ICE.
Lithium extraction is currently energy consuming, but so is Oil. There's no comparison both are bad for environment.
If we humans want to live we have to do things that are gonna negatively impact environment, but the thing is we need to be more and more efficient and also do things to make are net impact at least neutral.
Buy an EV and all of the points will be changed into positive for EV and negative for ICE.
EV is not fast fashion. It is good in long run and bad in short use and throw fashion.
Why is air pollution considered here. Isn't it supposed to be carbon emissions? In that category, vehicle emissions are the highest. So using EVs will make a noticeable impact. And once electricity is moved to renewable energy, the footprint is further reduced.
The presenters don’t even know the difference between air pollution (CO, NOx, SOx, PM2.5) and global warming (CO2, CH4, CFC)
And yet they pretend to be armchair expert on EV and environment by showing dozens of elements on periodic table with pretty graphics which aren’t even used in EV battery
Production is crazy
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The video editor 👌
When the battery gets heated, it won’t work till it’s cooled
that line on wainad 😢
What about hydrogen?
Hydrogen fuel cells you mean ? ,I think hydrogen is not a rare element but producing them is also energy consuming I think also it's difficult to store/pump they require special methods also it is highly flammable but a direct fuel cell vehicle hypothetically could be better for say without a battery just the fuel cell powering the motors on demand something like that , battery helps in regulating the power but dono id that's possible with hydrogen,for hydrogen combustion engines the same problem I believe since it's harder to pump we might need special pumps to send them into cylinders
10:35 what a perspective. Really he 'thinks how it works', and want to bash it without any credible backing for his perspective. Get a real 'unbiased and educated' before you get into mudslinging about you (personally) don't like and want to be a gear/petrol-head to protect the ICE era.
please upload next perspective video quickly so we can get to know that we are villian so saver of planet
😝😝 you already guessed the plot
Also batteries are recyclable in a big way.
Pls make a video of how a petrol car is made? Take an example of your Polo GT. And compair it with ev. That will be more intersting. It feels like a one sided biased affer.
More specifically how is the oil used to drive the car is made
Battery metal mining is one time affair for 200kg battery
How many thousand litres of fuel needed to drive an ice car for 1lakh km?