The most important factor for newer players that you didn't even mention is that you can only reliably get the 4 stars that happen to be on the actual banners and you have zero control over that, and that's before factoring in banner RNG. Selectors aren't permanent, banners aren't permanent, you can only play with the hand you're dealt.
Pretty much, I have to hope to get Gallagher because I missed like 3 selectors that old players have gotten. Same with Ratio, in all the guides they keep saying just use them, as if they are free.
Totally agree, 4* only runs have better relics and demonstration of game knowledge which is why I appreciate them. They are definitely not beginner friendly. Just look at Zmm and his 6 hour 4-star clear runs, and how many 4 pc Eagle sets he runs lol. The fact that it's easier to get an E1 5-star unit than an E6 4-star unit makes sense though, especially with the rate ups being split into 3 4-stars. Heck, I got my Fu Xuan to E1 before getting one Lynx copy, and I'm sure many players have similar experiences. Appreciate the vid as always, especially coming from someone who pays as much attention to 4* units as you do! 👍
I pulled for Robin hoping to get some Moze along the way and I ended up with E1 Robin and E1 Moze. My wife got E6 Moze whilst pulling for E0 Kafka and she keeps teasing me about it. ;)
I got him e6 since i had to pull for feixiao and robin in the same patch. Its a good thing i saved for ages because i got her on my last available pull
E6ing a 4* is not as easy as the people is portraying and that's what is not they tell you when they compare a 4* to its 5* *ehem* replacement They always assuming that you have the e6 of the said 4* and therefore, that 5* is a sidegrade which is a insane And one shouldn't just suggest to roll for a specific 4* especially if they don't like the 5* in the banner. It's more dumb
The unit or LC is still a replacement even if not E6 or S5. Its not that complicated lol, as long as you own the character or lc the team works fundamentally. On top of that an E6 4 star is something you will get over time at some point either via pulls in the future or the starlight shop, so its never unarchievable.
It's quite ironic that spenders can easily get E6 on 4* characters... but they're pulling for the 5* upgrades, so they never use the 4* versions. I've got E6 Gallagher, but I never bothered to build him because they leaked Lingsha's kit when he was released. I knew that she'd powercreep him into oblivion, which is exactly what happened.
I spent a whole lotta pulls on Acheron and Firefly (lost both 5050s, start at low pity) but I only managed to snatch myself an E2 Gallagher BECAUSE OF THE TWO FREEBIES. Which means out of the two banners in which Ive spent more than a hundred pulls in which he appeared I only got myself ONE copy of Gallagher. This is nuts man.
@@Egalia_1 wouldnt be an issue if 4 stars are better out of the box but it feels like hoyo always strip the hell out of their complete kits at e0 and sell them as eidolons.
her value is in flexibility as a hypercarry, she's actually really good in superbreak and unlike a lot of superbreak characters actually does a lot of dmg outside superbreak that is only unique to her, and crit hypercarry aint that bad either. her damage potential was very well actually near e0 5 stars which is very impressive. her problem is being utterly mid without quantum weakness and feels like practically any other 4 star could do a better job outside specific parameters. and now those breakers that you mentioned not caring about this weakness is a lot better for consistency.
@@distritochristianangeloa.157xueyi is a colorless break. With eidolons her talent follow up reduces toughness regardless of element and her ult nukes element toughness bar, she's nice
Her Damage still relies on Weakness type though. Sure she can shred toughness regardless of type but her damage is larger when targeting Quantum weak enemies
@@jmcMateo like the comment above, She really shines on Quantum Weakness enemies where she Fua a lot and more consistent. I would even argue she is better than Selee in Quantum weak content
As someone who only started in August, It's pretty annoying trying to find guides on how to do late game content with a limited pool of characters. I want to know what stat thresholds I need, but I keep getting bombarded with "this op 4 star team clears MOC 12!" And then the team has 2 harmonies both with S5 DDD... I don't have a single copy of DDD and my best sustain is an E0 Lynx. I know I'm not meant to be able to clear end game content after just two months, but it's really frustrating when there's nothing I can do but wait for banners and energy.
Yeah I see 4 star only run… And then they are running 5 star limited cones and are all E6 And they call S5 DDD “FTP friendly”. I’ve been playing since launch and only have ONE S3 DDD!
For low investment teams aim for maybe 75% crit rate minimum and ~140 crit damage on dps with maybe 2500-3000 Atk. Save your damage orbs and level Atk orbs. Generally damage orbs are better but Atk orbs will be more interchangeable with little damage loss anyway. 134 speed is the minimum you want to aim for on almost every character but if you can aim for as much speed as possible on supports that's what you need. Also depends on what characters you use, eg. Hunt march 7 gives 10% speed so you can get away with lower on your "master" target. My question is what characters have you got? If you started in August I would hope you pulled for yunli due to her being quite versatile with a variety of 4 stars (tingyun, pela, gallagher, Hunt march 7th, moze, lynx etc.) or Robin/feixiao in the last banners. If I know what limited characters you do have it would make suggesting what to focus on easier, and your 4 stars would be nice too if you don't mind. I'm a day 1 player and while I'm no expert I might be able to give you some general tips.
I've started a different time than you and I cleared MoC in 3 months, what's important in fast clearing in general is having the correct characters that can shred with less valuable relics under any game mode, have an incredible domain for relic efficiency and a lot of focus to building two teams. In my case I pulled Acheron and Aventurine as my account core and over time upgraded my second team from Qingque to better options like Boothill. But since you started in August you could go Feixiao and Lingsha with the second team being Yunli or superbreak. In my experience, getting high eidolon 4 stars was much less realistic than pulling an e0 5 star. I could have gotten E0 Jiaoqiu and Guinaifen wouldnt be at E6. I have E0 Robin and Hanya is only at E4 still, it's strange. I think thats why a team full of e0 5 stars has better potential of leading you down a realistic clear than a full e6 4 star team.
That is easily the most annoying part of Gacha information circulation, even I've seen it. You're not alone in thinking that. At the end of the day, this is a gacha, it's main purpose is to squeeze ya for money even if it's pennies. 'Here's how to clear with Arlan easily! Then shows off a fully stacked raun mei and sparkle + random 5* sustain.'
Whenever this kind of subject arises I can only think: "People would complain less if farming relic wasn't such a excruciating task". If we could have reasonable relics for a 4 star in a reasonable time instead of farming the whole year just to have the minimum required stats for a 5 star to clear in the maximum amount of cycles, the problem would be less noticeable.
Relic farming sucks but it’s not nearly this bad. It’s a matter of expectations. Anyone playing for a year should have average-level relics for their 3 dps units that can help them complete content. People get too stuck on “perfect stats” when “good enough” gets the job done with proper supports
I feel like people kind of sugar coat how good some 4 stars ACTUALLY are. The only ones that you can say are still worth using once you have more 5* options are gal, herta, march hunt, moze, pela and tingyun. The others range from straight terrible (dan heng, arlan) to super niche/arguably not worth grinding for for godlike relics to make them keep up (misha, guin, hanya, asta). It's kinda sad that we don’t have actual broken low rarity characters like so many other gacha games do. Edit: I also failed my 50/50 twice trying to get robin and feixiao and after getting both after close to 300 pulls i only have e4 moze lol.
To be fair, some of them might actually be Started/Early Game carries, like how Dan Heng is, where his power level seems to be deliberate and is capped to some degree, while others are not fair assesments of the character's potential because there existed a time where they were the best option available(Guinafen) or just were straight nerfed from previous versions(Arlan). Other problems that might plague 4S might be the fact some of them are just inherently worse versions of characters in the 5S pool or might actually be part of unfinished archetypes/unsupported archetypes. At the end of the day, 4S shouldn't be the main centralization of character's power level and should instead be "alternatives" that you might have to copycat strategies and teams. A 4S can be competent and still have major flaws, while still being a solid choice for a team, despite having a 5S version that's just better.
I don't know if anyone has ever said Arlan and dan heng are worth using, same with misha, it's more of a fun challenges to do, I actually cleared this Moc (Kafka side) with hunt heng, granted it's more Sparkle and Robin carrying, but still...
I like when guide makers say "well gallagher was on firefly and acheron so you probably have him at e6" me angry at their statement looking that I have him at e4, two copies were free from the selectors, one was randomly on the standard banner recently, and also ended up getting acheron (who I didn't want, but understood how strong she is so didn't exactly *mind* getting her) and not a single one gallagher on that banner
I mean Tingyun, March 7th, Harmony MC, Gallagher, Moze, and Herta are legit broken at what they are better than some limited 5 star characters. I can see Arlan being terrible, but wind Dan Heng is actually quite strong 4 star dps Hunt. Sushang, Luka, Lynx, Misha are not as strong as the most powerful 4 stars but they are also good enough to clear the content. People are not sugarcoating 4 stars we know quite a few of them are underwhelming but the ones that are good are really good. They are not suppose to be as powerful as limited characters which is the only thing you can really compare them to in this game since there is only 2 rarities of characters. It is hard to only use 4 stars to complete the highest lvls of endgame but they clear the story content and the low to mid lvl endgame for sure. The biggest problem with 4 stars is there is not many ways to acquire them effectively I know in many gacha games you can grind some 4 star characters and their duplicates but here its all luck other than some events as a limited reward.
we do have broken 4* even at low eidolons, it's just that they're all supports and not dps, by all means tingyun, hmc and gallagher are all super strong characters even at e0 that get better with every eidolon but of course they won't shine as much since they aren't the ones doing damage
When I started playing my friends were saying that 4 stars are almost as good as 5 stars. Neglecting to mention that E6 variants of them that with fully build relics lol. I got Feixiao and I think my damage output was 5x'ed before I even got to trace the character.
Its crazy how much Gallagher shot up in usage when you consider the other options we've had for Abundance characters. When youre not including units like HuoHuo, Lingsha and Luocha who are all limited, Abundance is weak for options. Bailu: Great for dmg mitigation but falls flat ultimately because no cleanse, and an rng healing skill. Natasha: Just all around weaker option, cleanse one unit on skill, and ultimate healing is weak. Lynx: Overall better team heal than Natasha and cleanse on ult but will eventually get replaced.
I like lynx being more useful for blade/clara/yunli but even then it's not a major buff, 2 of those characters already have taunts in their kits and if you get yunlis lightcone she's immediately replaced. I'd consider using march 7th over her depending on the team tbh (I'm interested in a feixaio team of moze and yunli where you have so many attacks while yunli tanks everything, leading to march 7ths counters, yunli counters, feixaio follow up and moze follow up all buffed by moze damage amp and all of those dps having self damage buffing capabilities.
Lynx and Natasha isn’t even worth to build anymore for new players if they got Gallagher, better just build him and wait till you pull a limited sustain or Bailu/Gepard. Bailu is still a better choice for a secondary healer after you build Gallagher over Lynx, at least her healing is very comfortable for newbies, and cleanse isn’t even useful for every stages.
@@TOTGodofWaras someone who is only using Gal and Bailu for only my sustain, Bailu provides much more comfort for sustain then Lynx or Nat, Lynx cleanse while being AOE is tied to her Ult which sucks because her overall healing is just bad (I don’t have E6 Lynx) your using that Ult for healing not a cleanse unless for certain situations.
The 4 star team showcases also wrongfully show their strength. You only see the winning attempt. Often time that CC has spent several hours of tril and error and had to rebuild all their units multiple times. Even channels like zmm who makes really great 4 star content constantly says it takes him a lot of time, I remember one video where he said it took over 10 hours of attempts. Who on earth wants to spend 10 hours straight playing hsr. Let alone if you even have that free time in the first place. Is not worth spending multiple hours clearing moc 12 with a 4 star team for a measly 90 extra jades
I don’t even have E6 Serval. My thought process for getting Acheron was I only had the one lightning dps and getting a second would be faster and better in the long run. The only 4 stars I know that are E6 are Xueyi, Hanya, Qingque, and Luka. Two of those I put all my jades into getting.
It is kind of wild how much variance there is in 4 star pulls. But if I were to play devil's advocate for a minute, you are guaranteed 7 4 stars for every 5 star you pull, and average is probably closer to 10 (that does include lightcones tho). This is unless you get lucky on the 5 star which is a whole different complication for cost calculations. You can also get them randomly from "losing 4 star 50/50" on the banner or from the standard unlike limited 5 stars. You also are not expected to pull specifically for them, you were going for the 5 star so anything you got on the way was "free". So getting any random 4 star to eidolon 6 is not expensive or unrelatable. I do totally agree that videos where they say "this run requires E6 [insert character]" especially if they are a new release that it becomes pretty restrictive, and at that point it is fair to say that using the E0 5 star of that banner is more relatable.
4 star only has to be a meme or challenge run idea. Its never a recommendation. People say "I have most 4 stars at e6 so clearly its accessible", but realistically, its a metric based off of confirmation bias. One thing people tend to not think about is the longer you've had your account, the easier it is to get an e6 4 star just through sheer number of rolls you've done over the patches, especially when certain characters get put in popular character banners, see gallagher in the acheron and firefly banners. People playing since 1.0 likely have e6 of most 4 star units released before penacony, but that's because the banners reran the same 4 stars a lot until the pool got expanded. That said, the more 4 stars in the game, the harder it will be to e6 a 4 star unit, unless you force it on a rate-up. But if you're going to force e6 on a rate-up, you might as well just use the 5 star you got in those rolls.
I mean there's an old piece of RPG knowledge that a lot of people forget. Preparation is the gameplay. A lot of people talk about characters like brute forcing content is the only way to play the game, and that means that a lot of the people who believe in the power of their 4 stars talk about 4 stars like you can brute force anything with them. The reality is a lot of HSRs gameplay is roster management. It is learning what your personal roster is capable of at current investment, learning what they're hypothetically capable of with max investment, and using those two pieces of knowledge to decide on who to invest in more, how to invest in them, and who to attempt to add to your roster via banners and event selectors. 4 stars could be better, I agree that the pull rates suggest an E6 4 star should be E1 5 star level, but they are a perfectly healthy part of the game even as is. The understanding of how they are worse and how to use them in spite of that is something we should be cultivating in ourselves and each other as players. You take a very fair and moderate approach here, but I've seen a lot of players talking about 4 star only clears being dishonest or predatory somehow, and those people strike me as being really bad at games in general. The 4 star only clears have to me been pretty clearly about personal achievement and boasting, and they are really awesome at that. I think there's a need to emphasize that the process of clearing hard content is a process of learning one's own individual account, and watching other clears, highly optimized or not, is not a tutorial for how to clear those fights. It's just one source of incomplete and maybe not actionable information.
Things like that are only for sweaty hard-core players. The reality is most players aren't that hard core to the game and would rather just pull for broken units and supports that can brute force almost any content and it's easier and cheaper that way compared to banging your head on the wall trying to squeeze out as much damage as you can with an all 4 star team.
@@lancertheimaginary8462 This is exactly the no game knowledge kinda opinion I was talking about. Also I'm not sure you read my comment. First off it is not cheap to chase all the broken units and their supports. It is maybe acceptable for somebody who picks up HSR once or twice a year, catches up on story, and then puts the game back down, but otherwise you're on a ceaseless treadmill of pulling the banner character because you need them to clear. Cheaper than 4 star only? Maybe in the short term. Cheaper than any other way in the long run? No. You end up with an extremely wide roster of half built crept units and not really ahead in progression of people who've only just started the game. You need to be able to look at your roster and understand what those characters are capable of, can be capable of, and close that gap economically. Learning what your 4 stars actually can do and where to slot them in teams is way better than just pulling the new hottness, it's just not for new players. Even the story only casuals can do it for story since they're playing the only content that's basically guaranteed to be brute forcable.
So while I agree with a lot of your points, I guess I am curious about the end - because I don't think Hoyo has done anything wrong with how they've designed 4* characters so far, generally and recently speaking. What have they made mistakes with in terms of 4* design from your perspective? What do you want them to change?
i hate how xueyi isnt a full fledged break dps. she would've been much better if ult implanted quantum weakness so that we have a 4 star break team instead of only having boothill for hunt, firefly for destruction and rappa for erudition as break dps
I still like the 4 star clearers because they help give me inspiration when I’m stuck on content. In the most recent apocalyptic shadow, I was having trouble building a team around Boothill, but I saw a video using march 7th as the carry so I decided to build her and slot her in. In MOC, even though I don’t have the same level investment on Misha at E0, I learned how to time my freezes with him from these videos and just slotted in stronger supports like robin and ruan mei to compensate for the power difference. I’m sad that they seem to be posting less now and I can’t find them for this pure fiction.
1.0 player and still don't have a single DDD x) And regarding of the video, yep absolutely, 4* runs is the very opposite of easy runs beginners friendly. Because of the fact that one you run a 4* DPS, most of the time more complicated to play I feel like (Dan, Sushang, Hook or Misha for ex are harder to play 100% efficently with all the kit used than a FF), two you don't have a 5* support and we know how much the game is based on them = you need much much better relics and three the costy variance, Sushang and Xueyi main ? They are both still E4 and DDD the 4* LC god is S0, I'm not someone who pulls a lot but still, I play since 1.0 and have only 3 E6 gacha 4* with no Sword play S5 or DDD S5. A 4* team is therefore in practice more expensive (by the relics and LC because of less based dmg so need to push where you can) and more skill dependant (even if skill in HSR It's complicated to define). 4* runs are very enjoyable to watch etc but are not realistic 4* runs and shouldn't be take as run from a random classic account and player
For those who still aren't convinced on the whole "4 star is more expensive than 5 star" thing, I'll just leave here that I got Feixiao and then hit pity 60 again before getting e1 Moze. Sadly no e6 yet, but it is what it is
Another silly experiences I had are: 1 Misha AFTER 1 dhil, getting Gallagher only after 2 Luochas and (my favorite) having gotten my first Arlan from pulls YESTERDAY. Until then, I had never pulled an Arlan b4
Besides just being impressive and therefore fun to watch, the 4*-only videos also show that a lot of these units ARE viable options. Not in 4*-only teams for the average player, but in more typical teams where they don't have all the optimal 5* options, it can help them pick good alternatives.
At some point too newer players are going to struggle as more 4 star cones/characters get added because of the pool for pulling getting wider, and the desired outcome becomes diluted. I wish there was some more guarantee for 4 stars (like a guarantee per banner) or even making use of the shop more as there's only older characters to purchase from the shop and most there are not worth the whale dust.
It's quite ironic that spenders can easily get E6 on 4* characters... but they're pulling for the 5* upgrades, so they never use the 4* versions. I've got E6 Gallagher, but I never bothered to build him because they leaked Lingsha's kit when he was released. I knew that she'd powercreep him into oblivion, which is exactly what happened.
started day 1, still don't have a E6 Natasha, and I spend money on this game too. Not saying I need Natasha but just pointing out that on another players account, this could be them not having E6 Tingyun or smth.
200 pulls on standard banner and ~200 on limited one, missing Pela, Xueyi, Gallagher, Qingque, Sushang and more ones I don't want like Hook, Misha. Getting 1 is already hard enough when it's split between 21 characters.
Generally, I enjoy 4-star clear videos as what you mentioned, a showcase of the players’ game knowledge and skill. It’s disappointing to me how many in the community see those clears and instead use it as “see how F2P friendly this team is” or “see how unvaluable this new 5*.” Both that and 0-cycle runs seem to be unfairly maligned by less-skilled players (this isn’t meant as a dig btw) because the videos aren’t strictly guides on how they themselves can accomplish the same result. This also kinda ties into the idea of “cost” that the community is very into now. It’s a method of identifying “value” that has a lot of holes, and is often misused in discussion around character power
I think 4 star only clears are interesting to watch, but it should NOT be used as a tutorial for players to clear on their own with the 4 stars. Since 4 stars are so much weaker, you'll need to invest so much more and play so much better, as you mentioned. Often times you need very specific speed tuning to get it to work and crazy high speed stats in general. At that point just using 5 stars might just be straight up MORE relatable, especially at E0S0. If you're one of the newer players unless you're doing a 4 star only challenge it just makes more sense to invest in your 5 stars since they'll be stronger with so much less investment compared to a 4 star. This is why I generally would NOT recommend people trying to replicate 4 star only clears, since it'll often mean you'll have to invest a crazy about in some subpar characters when in reality you could be using ur resources on stronger 5 star characters (which you PROBABLY have a few of) instead for a way more comfortable clear.
It's insane, I'm playing for 2 months, and have Yunli, Feixiao, Robin and I can't clear PF stage 3 at 1 star.. Telling new players to use 4 stars is insane ask. Honestly I was stopped by the story bosses to grind for character traces like 5 times. End-game is almost out of the question.
Well, the metrics for people will be the Tier Lists on Strategy Sites, and of course by seeing who players on RUclips etc are actually playing. Hoyo doesn't really "need" to theory craft when the greater community does it for them. These lists are helpful, and really, you'll see a lot of the characters in the "A" category and a handful of "S's" are what will be most easily accessible for a new account. And obviously, things can get really subjective really fast, but if you know the game and its mechanics well, you understand _why_ Misha is lumped in as B with Dan Heng, etc etc, even if you know someone who mains Misha My E6 Pela, with Jiaoqiu's Signature equipped, is more valuable than a E0 Silver Wolf ever will be, and really, that LC is a "Support Character" unto itself that significantly enhances the entire team. The only constraint is the Path, which is an easy requirement to meet. So it's worth considering that maybe it's worth pulling for 5⭐ Cones for 4⭐ characters
I have a sense of deja vu about this video... anyways it's like those genshin guide makers that assume you've been around for the entire game life and have a c6 xingqiu when most of the time people looking for guides... are newer players who don't have that kind of resource
When I was pulling for Seele's first banner I also wanted Pela, I e6ed both Natasha and Hook, and got e1 Seele but didnt get a single Pela until months later. Also in genshin I've pulled more Diluc than Razor, trying to e6 4 stars is so much worse than going for a 5 star you want.
4:04 I’m a victim of this, I’ve been playing since version 1.2, and my tingyun is only e3, but my Bronya is eidolon 5!! (I’m a f2p) 😂 how do I have Bronya higher in eidolon level than… tingyun?!?
As someone who started the game in 2.2 and speedran every single quest and area to get as many jades as possible, I was able to get firefly with 130 pulls and ruan mei at 150 pulls (both hard pity with lost 50/50s to bailu and welt). I got my e6 gallager at around 150 (over the 280 pulls I did for ff & rm). I was able to get e6 moze at 60 pulls with robin coming home at 76. Then hoyo took pity on me and gave me Feixiao at 6 pity. This seems like e6 4* are easier to get but this is worst case scenario for 5* and best case for 4*s. Genshin has taught me its possible to not get a single copy of a 4* in 200 pulls. The worst case scenario for getting a e6 4* is way worse that guaranteeing a e0 5* by preparing 150 or so pulls. E0 five star teams with 4* LC (not even bis 4*s) like FF/RM and Feixiao/Robin are just way more relatable than full potential 4*s with maxed eidolons, relics, and lcs.
Honestly E6 4stars are more so a replacement even with the curent arguemnt with people playing around with the new dragon lady Galagar has kinda goten humbbled... still felt wrong to play her as having zero control over healing feels wrong in HSR.
E6 4 stars being weaker than an E0 5 star while being rare on average is a feature of gacha for better or worse. Ppl who pull to E6 their 4 stars without realizing they're worse or they're rarer on average is more money to the company so.
I think you're getting hung up on the word "cost" in relation to speedrunning terminology when it's more of system "cost" than an actual $$$ "cost". Mind you, this video is totally on point on what it takes to get an e6 four star unit but would you prefer if four star speedrunners would adopt the term "rate" or "point" instead of cost?
been playing since 1.0 with monthly pass most of the time and i DESPISE 4 stars. id rather get the 5 star version cuz they’re easier to build and play right outta the box
I think 5-stars are the ones you WANT the most, but 4-stars are the ones you'll NEED the most, unless you wanna wait several months for 5-star comps to be done.
So, I wanna expose my unluck case as a F2P I got a ton of earlies in the standard banner pulls, however, I only have 1 Dance x3 at S4 (yes, not even S5) in comparison to my S6 Sub for more (The Hunt LC w/Gui in the art), my E5 Yanqing, My E2 Himeko and my S2 Night on the milky way So yeah, rng sucks
I disagree, e6 4star should not be the same lvl as 5star, especialy not better than e0 5star. This doesn't make sense, it will be broken, and ended up like xingque, xiangling, bennet situation. I think 5 star should be 10-15% stronger than e6 4star, this the better way to balance.
I rather 4S have inherent major flaws but still be strong, competent options and alternatives, especially if I like the archetype but not the character. I want to be able to play FUA Core and not having to invest into Topaz, so having Moze is better for me because I like Moze's character better and those who like Topaz can enjoy a stronger, more consistent version of the character. Which is where kind of the design idea of HSR 4S characters seems to be heading into. There will be odd, weird mix characters, like Misha and the Generation 1 4S where it seems like they were part of archetype experiments or generalists. But I rather have the 4S pool be Budget Options and the 5S Pool be the Premium, rather than having stuff like "Herta, powerlevel wise, is about as strong as Himeko and Jade in PF" which is just...weird.
The most important factor for newer players that you didn't even mention is that you can only reliably get the 4 stars that happen to be on the actual banners and you have zero control over that, and that's before factoring in banner RNG. Selectors aren't permanent, banners aren't permanent, you can only play with the hand you're dealt.
Pretty much, I have to hope to get Gallagher because I missed like 3 selectors that old players have gotten. Same with Ratio, in all the guides they keep saying just use them, as if they are free.
Totally agree, 4* only runs have better relics and demonstration of game knowledge which is why I appreciate them. They are definitely not beginner friendly. Just look at Zmm and his 6 hour 4-star clear runs, and how many 4 pc Eagle sets he runs lol.
The fact that it's easier to get an E1 5-star unit than an E6 4-star unit makes sense though, especially with the rate ups being split into 3 4-stars. Heck, I got my Fu Xuan to E1 before getting one Lynx copy, and I'm sure many players have similar experiences.
Appreciate the vid as always, especially coming from someone who pays as much attention to 4* units as you do! 👍
zmm is great i love his work
Press F for players that out of jades trying to get Moze's eidolons instead of just rolling for Topaz now.
I barely got E2 Moze
I got him e3 and i dont even use him
I pulled for Robin hoping to get some Moze along the way and I ended up with E1 Robin and E1 Moze.
My wife got E6 Moze whilst pulling for E0 Kafka and she keeps teasing me about it. ;)
I got him e6 since i had to pull for feixiao and robin in the same patch. Its a good thing i saved for ages because i got her on my last available pull
I like him and manage to roll E6, no regret tbh
E6ing a 4* is not as easy as the people is portraying and that's what is not they tell you when they compare a 4* to its 5* *ehem* replacement
They always assuming that you have the e6 of the said 4* and therefore, that 5* is a sidegrade which is a insane
And one shouldn't just suggest to roll for a specific 4* especially if they don't like the 5* in the banner. It's more dumb
The unit or LC is still a replacement even if not E6 or S5. Its not that complicated lol, as long as you own the character or lc the team works fundamentally.
On top of that an E6 4 star is something you will get over time at some point either via pulls in the future or the starlight shop, so its never unarchievable.
It's quite ironic that spenders can easily get E6 on 4* characters... but they're pulling for the 5* upgrades, so they never use the 4* versions.
I've got E6 Gallagher, but I never bothered to build him because they leaked Lingsha's kit when he was released. I knew that she'd powercreep him into oblivion, which is exactly what happened.
I spent a whole lotta pulls on Acheron and Firefly (lost both 5050s, start at low pity) but I only managed to snatch myself an E2 Gallagher BECAUSE OF THE TWO FREEBIES. Which means out of the two banners in which Ive spent more than a hundred pulls in which he appeared I only got myself ONE copy of Gallagher. This is nuts man.
The 4 star luck is ridiculous. Same exact thing happened to me with Gallagher too
@@Egalia_1 wouldnt be an issue if 4 stars are better out of the box but it feels like hoyo always strip the hell out of their complete kits at e0 and sell them as eidolons.
Samee
Xueyi got a resurgence from the superbreak stuff but she pales in comparison to actual breakers. Which is such a shame she looks so cool.
She is really good on Quantum weakness. The advantage of 5 star breakers is simply they implant their own weakness while Xueyi is only Ult
her value is in flexibility as a hypercarry, she's actually really good in superbreak and unlike a lot of superbreak characters actually does a lot of dmg outside superbreak that is only unique to her, and crit hypercarry aint that bad either. her damage potential was very well actually near e0 5 stars which is very impressive.
her problem is being utterly mid without quantum weakness and feels like practically any other 4 star could do a better job outside specific parameters. and now those breakers that you mentioned not caring about this weakness is a lot better for consistency.
@@distritochristianangeloa.157xueyi is a colorless break. With eidolons her talent follow up reduces toughness regardless of element and her ult nukes element toughness bar, she's nice
Her Damage still relies on Weakness type though. Sure she can shred toughness regardless of type but her damage is larger when targeting Quantum weak enemies
@@jmcMateo like the comment above, She really shines on Quantum Weakness enemies where she Fua a lot and more consistent. I would even argue she is better than Selee in Quantum weak content
As someone who only started in August, It's pretty annoying trying to find guides on how to do late game content with a limited pool of characters. I want to know what stat thresholds I need, but I keep getting bombarded with "this op 4 star team clears MOC 12!"
And then the team has 2 harmonies both with S5 DDD... I don't have a single copy of DDD and my best sustain is an E0 Lynx. I know I'm not meant to be able to clear end game content after just two months, but it's really frustrating when there's nothing I can do but wait for banners and energy.
Yeah I see 4 star only run…
And then they are running 5 star limited cones and are all E6
And they call S5 DDD “FTP friendly”. I’ve been playing since launch and only have ONE S3 DDD!
For low investment teams aim for maybe 75% crit rate minimum and ~140 crit damage on dps with maybe 2500-3000 Atk. Save your damage orbs and level Atk orbs. Generally damage orbs are better but Atk orbs will be more interchangeable with little damage loss anyway.
134 speed is the minimum you want to aim for on almost every character but if you can aim for as much speed as possible on supports that's what you need. Also depends on what characters you use, eg. Hunt march 7 gives 10% speed so you can get away with lower on your "master" target.
My question is what characters have you got? If you started in August I would hope you pulled for yunli due to her being quite versatile with a variety of 4 stars (tingyun, pela, gallagher, Hunt march 7th, moze, lynx etc.) or Robin/feixiao in the last banners.
If I know what limited characters you do have it would make suggesting what to focus on easier, and your 4 stars would be nice too if you don't mind.
I'm a day 1 player and while I'm no expert I might be able to give you some general tips.
There is a guide in the pin in hsr official discord every hoyo game have that build guide
I've started a different time than you and I cleared MoC in 3 months, what's important in fast clearing in general is having the correct characters that can shred with less valuable relics under any game mode, have an incredible domain for relic efficiency and a lot of focus to building two teams.
In my case I pulled Acheron and Aventurine as my account core and over time upgraded my second team from Qingque to better options like Boothill. But since you started in August you could go Feixiao and Lingsha with the second team being Yunli or superbreak.
In my experience, getting high eidolon 4 stars was much less realistic than pulling an e0 5 star. I could have gotten E0 Jiaoqiu and Guinaifen wouldnt be at E6. I have E0 Robin and Hanya is only at E4 still, it's strange. I think thats why a team full of e0 5 stars has better potential of leading you down a realistic clear than a full e6 4 star team.
That is easily the most annoying part of Gacha information circulation, even I've seen it. You're not alone in thinking that. At the end of the day, this is a gacha, it's main purpose is to squeeze ya for money even if it's pennies.
'Here's how to clear with Arlan easily! Then shows off a fully stacked raun mei and sparkle + random 5* sustain.'
I started in 1.0 and still don’t have a E6 Tingyun lol
same
kind of sad since i main dan heng il and he could really use her :(
Bro same mine is only e3, yet my Bronya is e5 how is my Bronya way higher in eidolons than tingyun
same, she's E5 and yet i keep getting e15 hook lol
Same I have e5, meanwhile I have like e100 Sampo😭
Whenever this kind of subject arises I can only think: "People would complain less if farming relic wasn't such a excruciating task". If we could have reasonable relics for a 4 star in a reasonable time instead of farming the whole year just to have the minimum required stats for a 5 star to clear in the maximum amount of cycles, the problem would be less noticeable.
Relic farming sucks but it’s not nearly this bad. It’s a matter of expectations. Anyone playing for a year should have average-level relics for their 3 dps units that can help them complete content. People get too stuck on “perfect stats” when “good enough” gets the job done with proper supports
I feel like people kind of sugar coat how good some 4 stars ACTUALLY are. The only ones that you can say are still worth using once you have more 5* options are gal, herta, march hunt, moze, pela and tingyun. The others range from straight terrible (dan heng, arlan) to super niche/arguably not worth grinding for for godlike relics to make them keep up (misha, guin, hanya, asta). It's kinda sad that we don’t have actual broken low rarity characters like so many other gacha games do.
Edit: I also failed my 50/50 twice trying to get robin and feixiao and after getting both after close to 300 pulls i only have e4 moze lol.
To be fair, some of them might actually be Started/Early Game carries, like how Dan Heng is, where his power level seems to be deliberate and is capped to some degree, while others are not fair assesments of the character's potential because there existed a time where they were the best option available(Guinafen) or just were straight nerfed from previous versions(Arlan). Other problems that might plague 4S might be the fact some of them are just inherently worse versions of characters in the 5S pool or might actually be part of unfinished archetypes/unsupported archetypes.
At the end of the day, 4S shouldn't be the main centralization of character's power level and should instead be "alternatives" that you might have to copycat strategies and teams. A 4S can be competent and still have major flaws, while still being a solid choice for a team, despite having a 5S version that's just better.
I don't know if anyone has ever said Arlan and dan heng are worth using, same with misha, it's more of a fun challenges to do, I actually cleared this Moc (Kafka side) with hunt heng, granted it's more Sparkle and Robin carrying, but still...
I like when guide makers say "well gallagher was on firefly and acheron so you probably have him at e6"
me angry at their statement looking that I have him at e4, two copies were free from the selectors, one was randomly on the standard banner recently, and also ended up getting acheron (who I didn't want, but understood how strong she is so didn't exactly *mind* getting her) and not a single one gallagher on that banner
I mean Tingyun, March 7th, Harmony MC, Gallagher, Moze, and Herta are legit broken at what they are better than some limited 5 star characters. I can see Arlan being terrible, but wind Dan Heng is actually quite strong 4 star dps Hunt. Sushang, Luka, Lynx, Misha are not as strong as the most powerful 4 stars but they are also good enough to clear the content.
People are not sugarcoating 4 stars we know quite a few of them are underwhelming but the ones that are good are really good. They are not suppose to be as powerful as limited characters which is the only thing you can really compare them to in this game since there is only 2 rarities of characters. It is hard to only use 4 stars to complete the highest lvls of endgame but they clear the story content and the low to mid lvl endgame for sure.
The biggest problem with 4 stars is there is not many ways to acquire them effectively I know in many gacha games you can grind some 4 star characters and their duplicates but here its all luck other than some events as a limited reward.
we do have broken 4* even at low eidolons, it's just that they're all supports and not dps, by all means tingyun, hmc and gallagher are all super strong characters even at e0 that get better with every eidolon but of course they won't shine as much since they aren't the ones doing damage
When I started playing my friends were saying that 4 stars are almost as good as 5 stars. Neglecting to mention that E6 variants of them that with fully build relics lol. I got Feixiao and I think my damage output was 5x'ed before I even got to trace the character.
Its crazy how much Gallagher shot up in usage when you consider the other options we've had for Abundance characters. When youre not including units like HuoHuo, Lingsha and Luocha who are all limited, Abundance is weak for options.
Bailu: Great for dmg mitigation but falls flat ultimately because no cleanse, and an rng healing skill.
Natasha: Just all around weaker option, cleanse one unit on skill, and ultimate healing is weak.
Lynx: Overall better team heal than Natasha and cleanse on ult but will eventually get replaced.
I like lynx being more useful for blade/clara/yunli but even then it's not a major buff, 2 of those characters already have taunts in their kits and if you get yunlis lightcone she's immediately replaced.
I'd consider using march 7th over her depending on the team tbh (I'm interested in a feixaio team of moze and yunli where you have so many attacks while yunli tanks everything, leading to march 7ths counters, yunli counters, feixaio follow up and moze follow up all buffed by moze damage amp and all of those dps having self damage buffing capabilities.
Natasha has higher healing modifiers than Lynx.
Lynx and Natasha isn’t even worth to build anymore for new players if they got Gallagher, better just build him and wait till you pull a limited sustain or Bailu/Gepard. Bailu is still a better choice for a secondary healer after you build Gallagher over Lynx, at least her healing is very comfortable for newbies, and cleanse isn’t even useful for every stages.
@@Eclin Debuffs and CC is pretty common with MoC 12. Bailu is often going to be a horrible pick because of that.
@@TOTGodofWaras someone who is only using Gal and Bailu for only my sustain, Bailu provides much more comfort for sustain then Lynx or Nat, Lynx cleanse while being AOE is tied to her Ult which sucks because her overall healing is just bad (I don’t have E6 Lynx) your using that Ult for healing not a cleanse unless for certain situations.
Here before the title change from “Thank” to “Than” lol
shhh
The 4 star team showcases also wrongfully show their strength. You only see the winning attempt. Often time that CC has spent several hours of tril and error and had to rebuild all their units multiple times. Even channels like zmm who makes really great 4 star content constantly says it takes him a lot of time, I remember one video where he said it took over 10 hours of attempts. Who on earth wants to spend 10 hours straight playing hsr. Let alone if you even have that free time in the first place. Is not worth spending multiple hours clearing moc 12 with a 4 star team for a measly 90 extra jades
I don’t even have E6 Serval. My thought process for getting Acheron was I only had the one lightning dps and getting a second would be faster and better in the long run.
The only 4 stars I know that are E6 are Xueyi, Hanya, Qingque, and Luka. Two of those I put all my jades into getting.
It is kind of wild how much variance there is in 4 star pulls. But if I were to play devil's advocate for a minute, you are guaranteed 7 4 stars for every 5 star you pull, and average is probably closer to 10 (that does include lightcones tho). This is unless you get lucky on the 5 star which is a whole different complication for cost calculations. You can also get them randomly from "losing 4 star 50/50" on the banner or from the standard unlike limited 5 stars. You also are not expected to pull specifically for them, you were going for the 5 star so anything you got on the way was "free". So getting any random 4 star to eidolon 6 is not expensive or unrelatable. I do totally agree that videos where they say "this run requires E6 [insert character]" especially if they are a new release that it becomes pretty restrictive, and at that point it is fair to say that using the E0 5 star of that banner is more relatable.
In genshin on his first banner it took me until C2 Wanderer to get C6 Faruzan
4 star only has to be a meme or challenge run idea. Its never a recommendation.
People say "I have most 4 stars at e6 so clearly its accessible", but realistically, its a metric based off of confirmation bias.
One thing people tend to not think about is the longer you've had your account, the easier it is to get an e6 4 star just through sheer number of rolls you've done over the patches, especially when certain characters get put in popular character banners, see gallagher in the acheron and firefly banners.
People playing since 1.0 likely have e6 of most 4 star units released before penacony, but that's because the banners reran the same 4 stars a lot until the pool got expanded. That said, the more 4 stars in the game, the harder it will be to e6 a 4 star unit, unless you force it on a rate-up. But if you're going to force e6 on a rate-up, you might as well just use the 5 star you got in those rolls.
I mean there's an old piece of RPG knowledge that a lot of people forget. Preparation is the gameplay. A lot of people talk about characters like brute forcing content is the only way to play the game, and that means that a lot of the people who believe in the power of their 4 stars talk about 4 stars like you can brute force anything with them. The reality is a lot of HSRs gameplay is roster management. It is learning what your personal roster is capable of at current investment, learning what they're hypothetically capable of with max investment, and using those two pieces of knowledge to decide on who to invest in more, how to invest in them, and who to attempt to add to your roster via banners and event selectors.
4 stars could be better, I agree that the pull rates suggest an E6 4 star should be E1 5 star level, but they are a perfectly healthy part of the game even as is. The understanding of how they are worse and how to use them in spite of that is something we should be cultivating in ourselves and each other as players. You take a very fair and moderate approach here, but I've seen a lot of players talking about 4 star only clears being dishonest or predatory somehow, and those people strike me as being really bad at games in general. The 4 star only clears have to me been pretty clearly about personal achievement and boasting, and they are really awesome at that. I think there's a need to emphasize that the process of clearing hard content is a process of learning one's own individual account, and watching other clears, highly optimized or not, is not a tutorial for how to clear those fights. It's just one source of incomplete and maybe not actionable information.
Things like that are only for sweaty hard-core players. The reality is most players aren't that hard core to the game and would rather just pull for broken units and supports that can brute force almost any content and it's easier and cheaper that way compared to banging your head on the wall trying to squeeze out as much damage as you can with an all 4 star team.
@@lancertheimaginary8462 This is exactly the no game knowledge kinda opinion I was talking about. Also I'm not sure you read my comment. First off it is not cheap to chase all the broken units and their supports. It is maybe acceptable for somebody who picks up HSR once or twice a year, catches up on story, and then puts the game back down, but otherwise you're on a ceaseless treadmill of pulling the banner character because you need them to clear. Cheaper than 4 star only? Maybe in the short term. Cheaper than any other way in the long run? No. You end up with an extremely wide roster of half built crept units and not really ahead in progression of people who've only just started the game. You need to be able to look at your roster and understand what those characters are capable of, can be capable of, and close that gap economically. Learning what your 4 stars actually can do and where to slot them in teams is way better than just pulling the new hottness, it's just not for new players. Even the story only casuals can do it for story since they're playing the only content that's basically guaranteed to be brute forcable.
So while I agree with a lot of your points, I guess I am curious about the end - because I don't think Hoyo has done anything wrong with how they've designed 4* characters so far, generally and recently speaking. What have they made mistakes with in terms of 4* design from your perspective? What do you want them to change?
after playing the game since launch, i still only have a S2 DDD...
Huh? DDD?
@@PaulSmith-nb6md "Dance Dance Dance!" Lightcone, it's really good
i hate how xueyi isnt a full fledged break dps. she would've been much better if ult implanted quantum weakness so that we have a 4 star break team instead of only having boothill for hunt, firefly for destruction and rappa for erudition as break dps
How is boothill the only hunt when feixaio is right there?
@@PaulSmith-nb6md break focused hunt that is. feixiao is more effective as crit dps
I still like the 4 star clearers because they help give me inspiration when I’m stuck on content. In the most recent apocalyptic shadow, I was having trouble building a team around Boothill, but I saw a video using march 7th as the carry so I decided to build her and slot her in. In MOC, even though I don’t have the same level investment on Misha at E0, I learned how to time my freezes with him from these videos and just slotted in stronger supports like robin and ruan mei to compensate for the power difference. I’m sad that they seem to be posting less now and I can’t find them for this pure fiction.
1.0 player and still don't have a single DDD x)
And regarding of the video, yep absolutely, 4* runs is the very opposite of easy runs beginners friendly. Because of the fact that one you run a 4* DPS, most of the time more complicated to play I feel like (Dan, Sushang, Hook or Misha for ex are harder to play 100% efficently with all the kit used than a FF), two you don't have a 5* support and we know how much the game is based on them = you need much much better relics and three the costy variance, Sushang and Xueyi main ? They are both still E4 and DDD the 4* LC god is S0, I'm not someone who pulls a lot but still, I play since 1.0 and have only 3 E6 gacha 4* with no Sword play S5 or DDD S5.
A 4* team is therefore in practice more expensive (by the relics and LC because of less based dmg so need to push where you can) and more skill dependant (even if skill in HSR It's complicated to define).
4* runs are very enjoyable to watch etc but are not realistic 4* runs and shouldn't be take as run from a random classic account and player
For those who still aren't convinced on the whole "4 star is more expensive than 5 star" thing, I'll just leave here that I got Feixiao and then hit pity 60 again before getting e1 Moze. Sadly no e6 yet, but it is what it is
Another silly experiences I had are: 1 Misha AFTER 1 dhil, getting Gallagher only after 2 Luochas and (my favorite) having gotten my first Arlan from pulls YESTERDAY. Until then, I had never pulled an Arlan b4
Besides just being impressive and therefore fun to watch, the 4*-only videos also show that a lot of these units ARE viable options. Not in 4*-only teams for the average player, but in more typical teams where they don't have all the optimal 5* options, it can help them pick good alternatives.
We sure could use some characters like Arash 🏹 lowest rarity, expense of hp, big ultimate to kill 'fodders' (maybe glass cannon?)
At some point too newer players are going to struggle as more 4 star cones/characters get added because of the pool for pulling getting wider, and the desired outcome becomes diluted. I wish there was some more guarantee for 4 stars (like a guarantee per banner) or even making use of the shop more as there's only older characters to purchase from the shop and most there are not worth the whale dust.
“In 160 pulls you’re pretty much guaranteed to have an E1 4*
Selee’s va finding 3 5 stars before getting a single copy of moze: -_-
It's quite ironic that spenders can easily get E6 on 4* characters... but they're pulling for the 5* upgrades, so they never use the 4* versions.
I've got E6 Gallagher, but I never bothered to build him because they leaked Lingsha's kit when he was released. I knew that she'd powercreep him into oblivion, which is exactly what happened.
started day 1, still don't have a E6 Natasha, and I spend money on this game too.
Not saying I need Natasha but just pointing out that on another players account, this could be them not having E6 Tingyun or smth.
200 pulls on standard banner and ~200 on limited one, missing Pela, Xueyi, Gallagher, Qingque, Sushang and more ones I don't want like Hook, Misha. Getting 1 is already hard enough when it's split between 21 characters.
Generally, I enjoy 4-star clear videos as what you mentioned, a showcase of the players’ game knowledge and skill. It’s disappointing to me how many in the community see those clears and instead use it as “see how F2P friendly this team is” or “see how unvaluable this new 5*.” Both that and 0-cycle runs seem to be unfairly maligned by less-skilled players (this isn’t meant as a dig btw) because the videos aren’t strictly guides on how they themselves can accomplish the same result.
This also kinda ties into the idea of “cost” that the community is very into now. It’s a method of identifying “value” that has a lot of holes, and is often misused in discussion around character power
I think 4 star only clears are interesting to watch, but it should NOT be used as a tutorial for players to clear on their own with the 4 stars.
Since 4 stars are so much weaker, you'll need to invest so much more and play so much better, as you mentioned. Often times you need very specific speed tuning to get it to work and crazy high speed stats in general. At that point just using 5 stars might just be straight up MORE relatable, especially at E0S0. If you're one of the newer players unless you're doing a 4 star only challenge it just makes more sense to invest in your 5 stars since they'll be stronger with so much less investment compared to a 4 star. This is why I generally would NOT recommend people trying to replicate 4 star only clears, since it'll often mean you'll have to invest a crazy about in some subpar characters when in reality you could be using ur resources on stronger 5 star characters (which you PROBABLY have a few of) instead for a way more comfortable clear.
It's insane, I'm playing for 2 months, and have Yunli, Feixiao, Robin and I can't clear PF stage 3 at 1 star.. Telling new players to use 4 stars is insane ask. Honestly I was stopped by the story bosses to grind for character traces like 5 times. End-game is almost out of the question.
Well, the metrics for people will be the Tier Lists on Strategy Sites, and of course by seeing who players on RUclips etc are actually playing. Hoyo doesn't really "need" to theory craft when the greater community does it for them. These lists are helpful, and really, you'll see a lot of the characters in the "A" category and a handful of "S's" are what will be most easily accessible for a new account. And obviously, things can get really subjective really fast, but if you know the game and its mechanics well, you understand _why_ Misha is lumped in as B with Dan Heng, etc etc, even if you know someone who mains Misha
My E6 Pela, with Jiaoqiu's Signature equipped, is more valuable than a E0 Silver Wolf ever will be, and really, that LC is a "Support Character" unto itself that significantly enhances the entire team. The only constraint is the Path, which is an easy requirement to meet. So it's worth considering that maybe it's worth pulling for 5⭐ Cones for 4⭐ characters
Bro I get e1 feixieo and robin and still e0 moze, wtf hoyo !??
At least you got an e1 feixiao.
@@PaulSmith-nb6md and I get e4 welt I forgot
@boularasayoub3318 I have only gotten one of a few of the steller 5 stars snd only a Clara actually came from there.
I have a sense of deja vu about this video... anyways
it's like those genshin guide makers that assume you've been around for the entire game life and have a c6 xingqiu when most of the time people looking for guides... are newer players who don't have that kind of resource
When I was pulling for Seele's first banner I also wanted Pela, I e6ed both Natasha and Hook, and got e1 Seele but didnt get a single Pela until months later. Also in genshin I've pulled more Diluc than Razor, trying to e6 4 stars is so much worse than going for a 5 star you want.
4:04 I’m a victim of this, I’ve been playing since version 1.2, and my tingyun is only e3, but my Bronya is eidolon 5!! (I’m a f2p) 😂 how do I have Bronya higher in eidolon level than… tingyun?!?
How did you summon that many bronya?
My hanya is still E3 (i'm a day 1 player) 💀💀
As someone who started the game in 2.2 and speedran every single quest and area to get as many jades as possible, I was able to get firefly with 130 pulls and ruan mei at 150 pulls (both hard pity with lost 50/50s to bailu and welt). I got my e6 gallager at around 150 (over the 280 pulls I did for ff & rm).
I was able to get e6 moze at 60 pulls with robin coming home at 76. Then hoyo took pity on me and gave me Feixiao at 6 pity.
This seems like e6 4* are easier to get but this is worst case scenario for 5* and best case for 4*s. Genshin has taught me its possible to not get a single copy of a 4* in 200 pulls. The worst case scenario for getting a e6 4* is way worse that guaranteeing a e0 5* by preparing 150 or so pulls.
E0 five star teams with 4* LC (not even bis 4*s) like FF/RM and Feixiao/Robin are just way more relatable than full potential 4*s with maxed eidolons, relics, and lcs.
That is insane luck becauss I had that many pulls and my gal is e1 and my more is e2.
Got from 0 to 76 pity lost my 50/50 and went to pity 35 to get moze e2, e6 a 4 star is a nightmare
8:48 it's actually around E2(C2) in comparison to genshin
Looking forward to the next video, "Why Warpless Teams Are Exactly as Bad as You Think".
Honestly E6 4stars are more so a replacement even with the curent arguemnt with people playing around with the new dragon lady Galagar has kinda goten humbbled... still felt wrong to play her as having zero control over healing feels wrong in HSR.
OK Mr.waveman. I was heading to bed now I have to watch :(
E6 4 stars being weaker than an E0 5 star while being rare on average is a feature of gacha for better or worse. Ppl who pull to E6 their 4 stars without realizing they're worse or they're rarer on average is more money to the company so.
This is a good video with a very confused title…
I pulled on two banner sixth Gal and still only have e1 version
I think you're getting hung up on the word "cost" in relation to speedrunning terminology when it's more of system "cost" than an actual $$$ "cost". Mind you, this video is totally on point on what it takes to get an e6 four star unit but would you prefer if four star speedrunners would adopt the term "rate" or "point" instead of cost?
maybe rate or points, yeah. i just know that cost is not the correct word or system that accurately represents what theyre trying to prove.
been playing since 1.0 with monthly pass most of the time and i DESPISE 4 stars. id rather get the 5 star version cuz they’re easier to build and play right outta the box
Moze gameplay is cancer, at least at E1. I'd rather have Topaz, but 80 pulls when Sunday is coming is a steep ask.
9:43 why are you sorry for a long video? it's much better! (and it is not even close to being long also)
I think 5-stars are the ones you WANT the most, but 4-stars are the ones you'll NEED the most, unless you wanna wait several months for 5-star comps to be done.
So, I wanna expose my unluck case as a F2P
I got a ton of earlies in the standard banner pulls, however, I only have 1 Dance x3 at S4 (yes, not even S5) in comparison to my S6 Sub for more (The Hunt LC w/Gui in the art), my E5 Yanqing, My E2 Himeko and my S2 Night on the milky way
So yeah, rng sucks
E6 Yanqing will finally be worth using 😱
I've got THIRTEEN copies of DDD... I can't take it anymore, I need S5 resolution 😭😭😭
I wish I could take 4 off your hands for my HTB.
GIVE ME LIKE FOUR PLS
buy a new microphone please.
530 days acc yet still have an s4 DDD 🤡
I disagree, e6 4star should not be the same lvl as 5star, especialy not better than e0 5star. This doesn't make sense, it will be broken, and ended up like xingque, xiangling, bennet situation. I think 5 star should be 10-15% stronger than e6 4star, this the better way to balance.
I rather 4S have inherent major flaws but still be strong, competent options and alternatives, especially if I like the archetype but not the character. I want to be able to play FUA Core and not having to invest into Topaz, so having Moze is better for me because I like Moze's character better and those who like Topaz can enjoy a stronger, more consistent version of the character.
Which is where kind of the design idea of HSR 4S characters seems to be heading into. There will be odd, weird mix characters, like Misha and the Generation 1 4S where it seems like they were part of archetype experiments or generalists. But I rather have the 4S pool be Budget Options and the 5S Pool be the Premium, rather than having stuff like "Herta, powerlevel wise, is about as strong as Himeko and Jade in PF" which is just...weird.
4 star teams are a flex and they are supposed to be like that. They are not the cheap alternative
E6 herta > e0 midyuan