Update: There is a small mistake where Welt is placed incorrectly once we get to the new units, being a tier above where I originally put him. He is correctly placed at the start of the video when I briefly go over the first 3 tiers. My bad on that.
Fu Xuan being as high as Huohuo and Aventurine is wild to me. I only slot her if I really want that crit rate buff, other than that it's always Aventurine.
I think you have a slight bias when it comes to fu xuan. Being a comfy sustain is fine and all but most sustains in the game can be comfy. She grants a small crit rate buff and that’s about it she’s definitely not better than Huo huo lingsha and yunli
TBH I think Jiaoqiu can go higher like next to ratio levels of good. He is arguably the best debuffer in the game and works in almost any and every team comp while also providing a ton of value to PF a gamemode where while not bad Pela and especially silver wolf can struggle meanwhile Jiaoqiu is hitting numbers at the same level as robin he's tremendously universal..
Hey bag! One thing, Acheron’s premium and fastest team at e0 is Jiaoqiu Robin, not sparkle She may provide a bigger crit buffs but its diminishing returns compared to robin’s full party action advance (more stack count), 1k+ atk buff, dmg bonus, and still provide the crit you want, Robin also makes every team member a dps. People have an issue with battery but seem to forget that Gallagher with quid quo pro is that thing that makes the comp works.
My takes on this are Robin > Ruan Mei simply bec slapping on Robin on non-fua teams feels much better than slapping a Ruan Mei on non-break teams. and also Feixiao > Acheron > Firefly because while yes Firefly is indeed the easiest to build out of the three, when you actually start investing into them and start getting better relics, I just find the first two's performance to be way better and way more consistent. Firefly has no flexibility in her teams unlike Boothill. She's tied to Ruan Mei and even more tied to HMC which leads to the sustain really being the only flex on the team which, idk about you guys but i feel bad about it and makes team building very boring.
"Firefly team has no flexibility" [Stares at Acheron abilities] [Stares at Feixiao's ultimate] In all seriousness, realistically none of these characters are flexible. They clearly have BiS and very specific characters they're glued to. You just have to vertically invest in them. If anything, I put Acheron > Firefly > Feixiao personally because Acheron and Firefly perform well outside of endgame modes with dedicated buffs and elements to them. The debuffers make up for a lightning res enemy and Firefly has ele implant. Feixiao struggles if there's a wind res/no wind weakness.
I dont consider a lack of flexibility to be a problem when the units you never replace are (or were) free units. Is it boring? Sure, but it doesn’t make her any less strong
You clearly don't own E2 firefly when you're commenting this she's a eidolon hungry character as well as stat if you cant achieve 150+ speed 270+ break and 2500 atk with resets you clearly didn't play her well enough
Holy ruan mei glaze outside of break there is literally no team where she is better than robin feixiao,acheron,black swan +kafka, the only dps who actually want her are ff,boothill(who doesnt need her that much) 'shes universal' so is robin but robin is so much better? Yunli literally would rather have tingyun over her due to antisynergy her kits full potential can never be used since break doesnt care about the dmg boost and the other teams dont care about weakness break, firefly without ruan mei is still firefly, ruan mei without firefly or any break dps is nothing
I'll say it again - fu xuan is decent to slap on any crit team but that's all. She is not bis in any team except the copium mini quantum. I have her and aventurine and i quite literally never use her bc i have gallagher since my fua and break teams can clear any type of content. She is just collecting dust along with dhil and jingliu
What about Luka? Your justification for putting him as the worst nihility was "He's single target, so he's bad" it genuenly feels like you haven't even tried using him and did only minimal research when placing him on the list
I think describing him as "A lot of work" is fitting, like I said in my nihility ranking I dont think any nihility unit is bad, he just has less uses than those above him. Besides niche situations with Boothill, I dont think there are many times in which you would want his personal damage over something like Pela's superior debuffing for break, and outside of break he is thoroughly outclassed as a sub dps/ damage amplifier. I do think there is a sizeable gap between him and Misha which is difficult to illustrate, but he is a unit who is bogged down by the criteria put in place, he is good in isolation, but his non-limited competition makes it difficult to justify using him in most cases.
I don't disagree that Luka is in that tier, as all 4 star DPS's should be around there, where I disagree is that Luka is the worst nihility and the worst one out of the 4* breakers. Welt has no good or meta teams at the moment, and both Sampo and Luka aren't good in DoT ones. But where Luka wins over Sampo is his Bream teams. Also, Luka beats both Sushang and Xueyi not only because he does more damage due to his bleed proc but also because he is way easier to build as he doesn't need any crit stats. Only break and speed (as well as EHR body for his ult). Furthermore, Luka will only continue to get buffed as every new break support will buff him, but also in case any new bleed unit gets introduced, they will work with Luka due to his bleed proc. (Luka's proc is easier to access than Sampo and Guinaifen's as it's not tied to his ult, so it will do more damage than the Guinaifen+JQ combo)
@@entephobiaI vehemently disagree with Welt. You seem to forget that Welt can slow the enemy, which is a lot more useful than physical breaking. Also, Welt does have good teams. Welt, Robin, Dr. Ratio, and Gallagher, while not meta, can still clear teams pretty quickly. At the end of the day, it all comes down to utility, and Sampo and Welt can be utilized more than Luka.
Slowing the enemy doesn't do a whole lot, though. Until we get a character that can do something with Welt's slows. Also in the team you mentioned Welt is very replacable. Doesn't mean that it doesn't work. Welt's only use atm is enabling the imaginary relic set that gives you CR when the enemy is imprisoned
i think there's an argument for moving serval up a bit. she's the best 4* for clearing side 2 of pure fiction if you don't have a limited PF unit (assuming side 1 is herta), and with her low energy cost, she benefits from the ultimate damage buffs we regularly get on lightning-weak PF stages thanks to acheron. i also think sushang is probably worse than luka, as they largely share the same niche, but luka has both higher personal damage potential and more ways to synergize with more powerful units (ult debuff, DoT).
In that case, Robin should be top 1 since she goes into more teams than Ruan Mei. Robin can literally go into any hypercarry, dualcarry, FuA, or DoT. While Ruan Mei is also a great general support she is mostly only used in DoT and Break
I honestly disagree with the idea that huohuo is universal as someone who has her. She is REALLY restrictive in terms of sp use which makes working around her healing an incredible pain in the ass in any double carry team, and tbh I don't...really find myself using her much outside of trial character events where shes an option. In both PF and AS you'd generally much prefer gallagher, because of the sp positivity + helping Himeko break enemies in PF, and his high toughness shred in AS. I don't really see how Huohuo is better than him if you take other endgame modes in account or don't have Yunli or Argenti (two limited 5-stars while Gallagher benefits from the free HTB and standard Himeko)
Yeah it is true that there is a Huohuo hype train going on over a month now even though prob only Yunli uses her from the top dps. I think the thing is she is not really replacable there. Yeah you can try to replace her with qpq gallagher but that team doesn't really need skill points,Yunli is usually very slow and doesn't spam her skill that often. And if you use sparkle instead of tingyun even less. So his value is not that good. Other than that.. yeah. She should be in the same tier as Lingsha and FX should drop a tier. If we are talking about Meta I haven't seen anyone using her in any showcase for months now.
@@ventrue7 Yes she's irreplaceable in meta Yunli and Argenti teams and then...what? DOT teams? Op claims she's a truly universal sustain that can be used in every team composition as a reason to put her above Gallagher but that's blatantly false as her energy regen and atk buff is absolutely not worth the sp neutrality in a lot of different teams where you can just slot Gallagher, Aventurine, Fu Xuan or Lingsha in and have much more freedom to clear while they all (also) offer damage buffs and/or damage and toughness shred themselves. If the criteria for the tierlist is "how many use cases will you find for her if you have her" she ABSOLUTELY should be lower than Gallagher because in a situation where you have her, Aventurine and Gallagher as sustains, realistically how often will you actually use her across all 3 gamemodes or even SU/DU? Not as much as Aventurine or Gallagher who can comfortably slot in a lot more teams and situations.
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topaz definitely, the decrease was weird. Yunli is in the highest tier now though, dont think she needs a higher placement, and luocha is fine where he is
i agree. yunli shiuld be higher, at least higher than fu xuan. topaz should definitely be higher, at least higher than jade. and luocha should be the highest in the tier he’s in.
I was getting frustrated with my fuxuan even before aventurine realeased, after several monthes it still boggles me how someone could rate her over both aventurine and huohuo, but also gallagher
If we go by “How useful are they if you already have them” means that Sparkle should be way lower than she is on the tier list. She’s not bis for any meta team right now, Acheron prefers Robin+Jiaoqiu on her team more. Sparkle will be better in the future I hope, because I’ve pulled her and don’t use her since I have Robin + Ruan Mei. But for now she is just kinda there.
Jeah it is indeed a weird Take to put Feixiao above Acheron ^^. I admit a E0S0 Feixiao Dealing way more dmg and is more comfy to play than a E0S0 Acheron (mostly because of the lack of a good Universal Nihility Herta Shop LC) i think Acheron has way more Options to play and build a Team around her. Feixiaos Team is Pretty much Set in Stone and even youre getting a really good Sub DPS for free with Hunt March if you didnt got Moze or dont have Topas youre really screwed. Acheron can work with almost EVERY 2 nihility Chars doesnt matter if is Guinaifen+Sampo or Pela+Sampo or Welt+Black Swan. I think this is a big Advantage over Feixiao in a E0S0 Scenario
I completely disagree, Feixiao is insanely versatile in terms of teammates. Bronya is one of her best buffers, she has two 4* sub dps and one of them is completely free. Gallagher has a decent synergy with her due to getting an advance forward when he ults. She works with all top tier Harmony/Nihility supports. Clara and Yunli are solid options for a 2nd dps due to their high attack frequency. There's even a setup where you put Topaz Sig on Feixiao and use her to battery Acherons ult.
I feel like you are way underestimating Feixiao's team flexibility, out of the top dps in the game rn she has by far the most flexible team comps. Feixiao can work with March, Topaz, Moze, E1 Jade and she can even hypercarry with Bronya (E4 Bronya is especially good for this niche) and if it's AoE content then Himeko and Herta are also very strong teammates for Feixiao and why she is viable in PF despite being a hunt unit, i have even seen people use Yunli or Clara with her and it is actually surprisingly very strong, she literally works with anyone who just attacks a lot which is judt less of a strict requirement tgan Acheron needing 2 nihility. Yes, she has a BiS team that likely won't see major changes in the foreseeable future but the same can be said for Acheron, Acheron at E0S0 without Jiaoqiu just does not feel good to play anymore as they are starting to move on from shilling her every chance they get (exception being next patch with her rerun) in comparision playing an E0S0 Feixiao without the premium FuA team feels a lot less punishing despite it still being her BiS. Acheron is undoubtedly stronger than Feixiao once we get into vertical investment in their BiS teams imo as an E2S1 Acheron with Jiaoqiu + a harmony is just the most broken thing in this game and you are correct in saying E0S0 Feixiao is better for that rrason but she is also better cause she has more team flexibility and your choice of sub DPS does not make her worse than taking Jiaoqiu away from an E0S0 Acheron in an enviroment not made to favor them
If you might to pull Topaz for Dr Ratio team, I’d said NO beacuse she need E1S1 to play that team and she never worth at E0S0 and E3 Moze is better than her for Ratio and same equal at E2/E4/E6 for Feixiao I think you should save for someone in the future or you can pull her LC for your Moze beacuse he would give 3 debuff when Topaz E0S1 only give 2
I don't know if I agree. I run both of them pretty often. And it was very easy to 40K with e1s1 feixiao and herta together. Generally I only hit like 33kish with my well built e2s1 acheron
Also she is cracked with e1 Jade in PF specifically so not sure this is true. And now that they are putting 4 enemies and a not really useful general buff she is actually helpful giving her charges and not that far off using Herta instead of Fei.
I'm going to be real with you, I've had E1S1 Fu xuan since her release. And she is not that good. She's incredibly easy to play and very comfortable. But she's barely skill point positive, and she's only best in slot arguably with one team cop and none of the DPS's for those team comps are very good. I think you're severely under rating Lingsha. While you are right that Gallagher is more skill point positive, I'd argue that at e0s0, which most people prefer on their five-star sustains, that she works just as well as all of the top damage dealers current Best in slot sustains. She is best for firefly already, she applies just as many debuffs as Aventurine for Acheron. And she has nearly as many if not more follow-up attacks as aventurine for feixiao. Also for pure fiction and even out of it, she's arguably jades best battery for her follow ups. I'd say herta is better and argenti is on par
@@bencrandall-malcolm8303 I did try to specify almost as much. When I said more I specifically meant for those debuff heavy enemies that aventurine and characters like clara tend to do worse against. I wouldn't say it's not close in how often they attack, at least as far as my friends and my testing has shown at least. I have a 161 speed and I get a 3 turn ult often. There's a guaranteed Follow up for every ult. Plus she goes often enough that the emergency follow up resets pretty often. If you time when you ult correctly you can get huge stacks for feixiao very quickly especially with topaz on the team. Tbf this is talking only from my limited perspective but I was able to get the same cycles for both lingsha and aventurine. I should specify I use night of fright LC but I have a crit rate build and a superbreak build I switch between
I still think ruan mei , Robin and Sparkle are top 3 it is way harder to power creep supports , I also think Acheron is the strongest Dps followed by Firefly and Feixao , also about Aventurine and Fu Xuan , I think both are in the same tier .
Sparkle fell down recently due to the lack of crit dps and robin + rm more generally used so i'd say sparkle isnt top 3 but she Is top 10, i say this because the only crit dps wanting sparkle is Seele and Dhil, Most prefer robin
There’s more situations where you would prefer Robin and Ruan Mei, than sparkle in top tier teams Here’s the TOP carries and their preferred harmonies Feixiao: Robin Boothill: Ruan Mei (and bronya) Acheron: Robin (only with Jiaoqiu), if no jq then don’t run harmony or your returns is not a worth slot. Firefly: Ruan Mei Ratio: Robin (both hypercarry and IPC) Sparkle has always been third or fourth choice in top teams, putting her in top 3 is disingenuous , she is slotted correctly
Update: There is a small mistake where Welt is placed incorrectly once we get to the new units, being a tier above where I originally put him. He is correctly placed at the start of the video when I briefly go over the first 3 tiers. My bad on that.
Fu Xuan being as high as Huohuo and Aventurine is wild to me. I only slot her if I really want that crit rate buff, other than that it's always Aventurine.
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I think you have a slight bias when it comes to fu xuan. Being a comfy sustain is fine and all but most sustains in the game can be comfy. She grants a small crit rate buff and that’s about it she’s definitely not better than Huo huo lingsha and yunli
Yup yup yup
Well, I still think that Robin is the top 1 character.
Nah it's arlan. He's so op. He does every 2 second
@@PuppyGamePlayzAdestruction mc is the strongest dont lie
TBH I think Jiaoqiu can go higher like next to ratio levels of good. He is arguably the best debuffer in the game and works in almost any and every team comp while also providing a ton of value to PF a gamemode where while not bad Pela and especially silver wolf can struggle meanwhile Jiaoqiu is hitting numbers at the same level as robin he's tremendously universal..
In star rail civilization, Bag jumps for fu xuan instead of aventurine
Hey bag! One thing, Acheron’s premium and fastest team at e0 is Jiaoqiu Robin, not sparkle
She may provide a bigger crit buffs but its diminishing returns compared to robin’s full party action advance (more stack count), 1k+ atk buff, dmg bonus, and still provide the crit you want, Robin also makes every team member a dps.
People have an issue with battery but seem to forget that Gallagher with quid quo pro is that thing that makes the comp works.
My takes on this are
Robin > Ruan Mei simply bec slapping on Robin on non-fua teams feels much better than slapping a Ruan Mei on non-break teams.
and also Feixiao > Acheron > Firefly because while yes Firefly is indeed the easiest to build out of the three, when you actually start investing into them and start getting better relics, I just find the first two's performance to be way better and way more consistent. Firefly has no flexibility in her teams unlike Boothill. She's tied to Ruan Mei and even more tied to HMC which leads to the sustain really being the only flex on the team which, idk about you guys but i feel bad about it and makes team building very boring.
I'd say rm=robin as of now, Fua and break are the best teams now and they both can work outside their intended team
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"Firefly team has no flexibility"
[Stares at Acheron abilities]
[Stares at Feixiao's ultimate]
In all seriousness, realistically none of these characters are flexible. They clearly have BiS and very specific characters they're glued to. You just have to vertically invest in them. If anything, I put Acheron > Firefly > Feixiao personally because Acheron and Firefly perform well outside of endgame modes with dedicated buffs and elements to them. The debuffers make up for a lightning res enemy and Firefly has ele implant. Feixiao struggles if there's a wind res/no wind weakness.
I dont consider a lack of flexibility to be a problem when the units you never replace are (or were) free units. Is it boring? Sure, but it doesn’t make her any less strong
You clearly don't own E2 firefly when you're commenting this she's a eidolon hungry character as well as stat if you cant achieve 150+ speed 270+ break and 2500 atk with resets you clearly didn't play her well enough
Holy ruan mei glaze outside of break there is literally no team where she is better than robin feixiao,acheron,black swan +kafka, the only dps who actually want her are ff,boothill(who doesnt need her that much) 'shes universal' so is robin but robin is so much better? Yunli literally would rather have tingyun over her due to antisynergy her kits full potential can never be used since break doesnt care about the dmg boost and the other teams dont care about weakness break, firefly without ruan mei is still firefly, ruan mei without firefly or any break dps is nothing
This discussion is annoying af both of them are the best supports in the game stop the cap
I'll say it again - fu xuan is decent to slap on any crit team but that's all. She is not bis in any team except the copium mini quantum. I have her and aventurine and i quite literally never use her bc i have gallagher since my fua and break teams can clear any type of content. She is just collecting dust along with dhil and jingliu
What about Luka? Your justification for putting him as the worst nihility was "He's single target, so he's bad" it genuenly feels like you haven't even tried using him and did only minimal research when placing him on the list
he probably is lmfao, probably dont even know luka's full potential too, what a shame. hes probably riding everybody else's words about all of this
I think describing him as "A lot of work" is fitting, like I said in my nihility ranking I dont think any nihility unit is bad, he just has less uses than those above him. Besides niche situations with Boothill, I dont think there are many times in which you would want his personal damage over something like Pela's superior debuffing for break, and outside of break he is thoroughly outclassed as a sub dps/ damage amplifier. I do think there is a sizeable gap between him and Misha which is difficult to illustrate, but he is a unit who is bogged down by the criteria put in place, he is good in isolation, but his non-limited competition makes it difficult to justify using him in most cases.
I don't disagree that Luka is in that tier, as all 4 star DPS's should be around there, where I disagree is that Luka is the worst nihility and the worst one out of the 4* breakers.
Welt has no good or meta teams at the moment, and both Sampo and Luka aren't good in DoT ones. But where Luka wins over Sampo is his Bream teams. Also, Luka beats both Sushang and Xueyi not only because he does more damage due to his bleed proc but also because he is way easier to build as he doesn't need any crit stats. Only break and speed (as well as EHR body for his ult).
Furthermore, Luka will only continue to get buffed as every new break support will buff him, but also in case any new bleed unit gets introduced, they will work with Luka due to his bleed proc. (Luka's proc is easier to access than Sampo and Guinaifen's as it's not tied to his ult, so it will do more damage than the Guinaifen+JQ combo)
@@entephobiaI vehemently disagree with Welt. You seem to forget that Welt can slow the enemy, which is a lot more useful than physical breaking. Also, Welt does have good teams. Welt, Robin, Dr. Ratio, and Gallagher, while not meta, can still clear teams pretty quickly.
At the end of the day, it all comes down to utility, and Sampo and Welt can be utilized more than Luka.
Slowing the enemy doesn't do a whole lot, though. Until we get a character that can do something with Welt's slows. Also in the team you mentioned Welt is very replacable. Doesn't mean that it doesn't work. Welt's only use atm is enabling the imaginary relic set that gives you CR when the enemy is imprisoned
i think there's an argument for moving serval up a bit. she's the best 4* for clearing side 2 of pure fiction if you don't have a limited PF unit (assuming side 1 is herta), and with her low energy cost, she benefits from the ultimate damage buffs we regularly get on lightning-weak PF stages thanks to acheron.
i also think sushang is probably worse than luka, as they largely share the same niche, but luka has both higher personal damage potential and more ways to synergize with more powerful units (ult debuff, DoT).
In that case, Robin should be top 1 since she goes into more teams than Ruan Mei. Robin can literally go into any hypercarry, dualcarry, FuA, or DoT. While Ruan Mei is also a great general support she is mostly only used in DoT and Break
I honestly disagree with the idea that huohuo is universal as someone who has her. She is REALLY restrictive in terms of sp use which makes working around her healing an incredible pain in the ass in any double carry team, and tbh I don't...really find myself using her much outside of trial character events where shes an option. In both PF and AS you'd generally much prefer gallagher, because of the sp positivity + helping Himeko break enemies in PF, and his high toughness shred in AS. I don't really see how Huohuo is better than him if you take other endgame modes in account or don't have Yunli or Argenti (two limited 5-stars while Gallagher benefits from the free HTB and standard Himeko)
Yeah it is true that there is a Huohuo hype train going on over a month now even though prob only Yunli uses her from the top dps. I think the thing is she is not really replacable there. Yeah you can try to replace her with qpq gallagher but that team doesn't really need skill points,Yunli is usually very slow and doesn't spam her skill that often. And if you use sparkle instead of tingyun even less. So his value is not that good. Other than that.. yeah. She should be in the same tier as Lingsha and FX should drop a tier. If we are talking about Meta I haven't seen anyone using her in any showcase for months now.
@@ventrue7 Yes she's irreplaceable in meta Yunli and Argenti teams and then...what? DOT teams? Op claims she's a truly universal sustain that can be used in every team composition as a reason to put her above Gallagher but that's blatantly false as her energy regen and atk buff is absolutely not worth the sp neutrality in a lot of different teams where you can just slot Gallagher, Aventurine, Fu Xuan or Lingsha in and have much more freedom to clear while they all (also) offer damage buffs and/or damage and toughness shred themselves. If the criteria for the tierlist is "how many use cases will you find for her if you have her" she ABSOLUTELY should be lower than Gallagher because in a situation where you have her, Aventurine and Gallagher as sustains, realistically how often will you actually use her across all 3 gamemodes or even SU/DU? Not as much as Aventurine or Gallagher who can comfortably slot in a lot more teams and situations.
Fu xuan bias is craaaazy
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Seele not being in Generally very strong is Fodder dude wth
topaz should be higher, yunli should be higher and luocha should be higher
agree with topaz and yunli, luocha on the other hand...
Nah other healers are way better than luocha
topaz definitely, the decrease was weird. Yunli is in the highest tier now though, dont think she needs a higher placement, and luocha is fine where he is
i agree. yunli shiuld be higher, at least higher than fu xuan. topaz should definitely be higher, at least higher than jade. and luocha should be the highest in the tier he’s in.
I was getting frustrated with my fuxuan even before aventurine realeased, after several monthes it still boggles me how someone could rate her over both aventurine and huohuo, but also gallagher
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If we go by “How useful are they if you already have them” means that Sparkle should be way lower than she is on the tier list. She’s not bis for any meta team right now, Acheron prefers Robin+Jiaoqiu on her team more. Sparkle will be better in the future I hope, because I’ve pulled her and don’t use her since I have Robin + Ruan Mei. But for now she is just kinda there.
Yeah i have her too and i never use her. Once you have two premium teams you never need to swap and sparkle is not part of those teams
Jeah it is indeed a weird Take to put Feixiao above Acheron ^^. I admit a E0S0 Feixiao Dealing way more dmg and is more comfy to play than a E0S0 Acheron (mostly because of the lack of a good Universal Nihility Herta Shop LC) i think Acheron has way more Options to play and build a Team around her. Feixiaos Team is Pretty much Set in Stone and even youre getting a really good Sub DPS for free with Hunt March if you didnt got Moze or dont have Topas youre really screwed.
Acheron can work with almost EVERY 2 nihility Chars doesnt matter if is Guinaifen+Sampo or Pela+Sampo or Welt+Black Swan.
I think this is a big Advantage over Feixiao in a E0S0 Scenario
Feixiao is absolutely above Acheron,Feixiao can clear aventurine faster than Acheron and that boss has 20% wind res and has lighting weakness
@@bartekjz4967 Dude did you even Read my Comment? Doesnt seem so.
@@DantoriusD what am i saying it is not weird at all
I completely disagree, Feixiao is insanely versatile in terms of teammates.
Bronya is one of her best buffers, she has two 4* sub dps and one of them is completely free.
Gallagher has a decent synergy with her due to getting an advance forward when he ults.
She works with all top tier Harmony/Nihility supports.
Clara and Yunli are solid options for a 2nd dps due to their high attack frequency.
There's even a setup where you put Topaz Sig on Feixiao and use her to battery Acherons ult.
I feel like you are way underestimating Feixiao's team flexibility, out of the top dps in the game rn she has by far the most flexible team comps. Feixiao can work with March, Topaz, Moze, E1 Jade and she can even hypercarry with Bronya (E4 Bronya is especially good for this niche) and if it's AoE content then Himeko and Herta are also very strong teammates for Feixiao and why she is viable in PF despite being a hunt unit, i have even seen people use Yunli or Clara with her and it is actually surprisingly very strong, she literally works with anyone who just attacks a lot which is judt less of a strict requirement tgan Acheron needing 2 nihility. Yes, she has a BiS team that likely won't see major changes in the foreseeable future but the same can be said for Acheron, Acheron at E0S0 without Jiaoqiu just does not feel good to play anymore as they are starting to move on from shilling her every chance they get (exception being next patch with her rerun) in comparision playing an E0S0 Feixiao without the premium FuA team feels a lot less punishing despite it still being her BiS.
Acheron is undoubtedly stronger than Feixiao once we get into vertical investment in their BiS teams imo as an E2S1 Acheron with Jiaoqiu + a harmony is just the most broken thing in this game and you are correct in saying E0S0 Feixiao is better for that rrason but she is also better cause she has more team flexibility and your choice of sub DPS does not make her worse than taking Jiaoqiu away from an E0S0 Acheron in an enviroment not made to favor them
As much as I love General JinYuan, i still think he should be placed next to Blade
hey i have E3 moze and currently is pulling for topaz, should i save or keep pulling for my dr ratio team?
I'm in same boat as you my friend, except for feixiao team
If you might to pull Topaz for Dr Ratio team, I’d said NO beacuse she need E1S1 to play that team and she never worth at E0S0 and E3 Moze is better than her for Ratio and same equal at E2/E4/E6 for Feixiao
I think you should save for someone in the future or you can pull her LC for your Moze beacuse he would give 3 debuff when Topaz E0S1 only give 2
@@Mimic_656 alright, thanks for the advice
if you are not pulling topaz e1s1 then don't even bother pulling for her for Ratio teams, the lack of debuffs will cripple the team
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Acheron have better performances in PF more then feixiao with the 4*acheron LC she still deal good DMG and feixiao is harder to build to be good
I don't know if I agree. I run both of them pretty often. And it was very easy to 40K with e1s1 feixiao and herta together. Generally I only hit like 33kish with my well built e2s1 acheron
Also she is cracked with e1 Jade in PF specifically so not sure this is true. And now that they are putting 4 enemies and a not really useful general buff she is actually helpful giving her charges and not that far off using Herta instead of Fei.
I'm going to be real with you, I've had E1S1 Fu xuan since her release. And she is not that good. She's incredibly easy to play and very comfortable.
But she's barely skill point positive, and she's only best in slot arguably with one team cop and none of the DPS's for those team comps are very good.
I think you're severely under rating Lingsha.
While you are right that Gallagher is more skill point positive, I'd argue that at e0s0, which most people prefer on their five-star sustains, that she works just as well as all of the top damage dealers current Best in slot sustains.
She is best for firefly already, she applies just as many debuffs as Aventurine for Acheron. And she has nearly as many if not more follow-up attacks as aventurine for feixiao.
Also for pure fiction and even out of it, she's arguably jades best battery for her follow ups. I'd say herta is better and argenti is on par
This cc doesnt really play hsr
@@bencrandall-malcolm8303 I did try to specify almost as much. When I said more I specifically meant for those debuff heavy enemies that aventurine and characters like clara tend to do worse against.
I wouldn't say it's not close in how often they attack, at least as far as my friends and my testing has shown at least.
I have a 161 speed and I get a 3 turn ult often. There's a guaranteed Follow up for every ult. Plus she goes often enough that the emergency follow up resets pretty often. If you time when you ult correctly you can get huge stacks for feixiao very quickly especially with topaz on the team. Tbf this is talking only from my limited perspective but I was able to get the same cycles for both lingsha and aventurine. I should specify I use night of fright LC but I have a crit rate build and a superbreak build I switch between
@@bencrandall-malcolm8303 aventurine dmg is non existent. Lingsha can deal 300k on a single target
@@bencrandall-malcolm8303 and lingsha can attack 3 times in 1 turn even without the enemy attacking. Its just youre bias towards aventurine
i still think galaghat was tier 1, just becuase he can abuse qpq light cone loke no other lol
Idk dude, acheron feels leagues more powerful. Especially with jiaoque, nothing even matters
Nobody uses fuxuan now. If the sustain doesnt help with offense it is trash. Unless your account badly needs sustaining.
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I still think ruan mei , Robin and Sparkle are top 3 it is way harder to power creep supports , I also think Acheron is the strongest Dps followed by Firefly and Feixao , also about Aventurine and Fu Xuan , I think both are in the same tier .
Sparkle fell down recently due to the lack of crit dps and robin + rm more generally used so i'd say sparkle isnt top 3 but she Is top 10, i say this because the only crit dps wanting sparkle is Seele and Dhil, Most prefer robin
There’s more situations where you would prefer Robin and Ruan Mei, than sparkle in top tier teams
Here’s the TOP carries and their preferred harmonies
Feixiao: Robin
Boothill: Ruan Mei (and bronya)
Acheron: Robin (only with Jiaoqiu), if no jq then don’t run harmony or your returns is not a worth slot.
Firefly: Ruan Mei
Ratio: Robin (both hypercarry and IPC)
Sparkle has always been third or fourth choice in top teams, putting her in top 3 is disingenuous , she is slotted correctly
firefly should go lower
E2 firefly is the strongest dps in early constellation tier list
NOOOOO MANTAIN THE FU XUAN AGENDA
I will keep using her for as long as I play
Coward, hold strong. Fu Xuan is still better than Adventurine. Her buffing puts her over his kit any day