5:33 meant to say 20.8%, not 25% here I cannot catch a break when covering black swan i swear lmao. I had to entirely rerecord the audio for this vid due to technical issues, so having only 1 mistake (that Ive noticed) is good enough for me
Ranking characters based on hominy bis teams they have is dumb, fu xuan is effective in every team without much difficulty, aventurine can struggle in teams where a characters moves fast and uses a lot of sp because if that character loses the shield, they’re screwed.
@@remi9708 How is it dumb? Having more BIS teams makes him a higher value pull especially when FUA teams are so good rn. Way more damage, sp positive, and toughness damage than FU. Fuxuan needs to consume alot sp in debuff heavy content so I don't really see ur point here.
about the whole Aventurine vs fu xuan situation, as someone who has both, I think aventurine is just better. i haven't really used fu xuan since I've gotten aventurine because his shield just never goes away while with fu xuan, yes she is unkillable, but that doesn't mean the rest of the team wont die. also this is mainly me talking about keeping the team alive, not about any buffs/debuffs they bring to the team.
You already know the fanbase just absolutely glazes female characters when they put Fu Xuan above Aventurine. I'm sorry but Aventurine is literally the best sustain option for literally 2 of the best dps in the game (Acheron, Dr. Ratio) by just having debuff, can sustain a lot better than Fu Xuan and not die in like 1 heavy AoE hit, a lot more SP positive and actually does damage, even if he's E0S0 still does more dmg than Fu Xuan especially if you have Robin, I know that damage one is small but it still counts. The only viable team option for Fu Xuan is mono quantum, or if you have sparkle or if you just need crit, while Aventurine is absolutely viable in any sort of debuff OR FuA team (Again, Acheron and Dr. Ratio) which are completely meta type teams. With more FuA characters coming in the future, this tierlist is gonna age like milk in such short matter of time.
FuXuan is "the Meta"? How? 24CV sure. Guaranteed CC resist is crap in debuff heavy fights, this ain't 1.0 no more. Trend is waaay to niche to be substantial. Now Fu is solid and does her job, but in any content that has hard hitting aoes or a multitude of DoTs she's not comfortable to play at all(which is becoming the norm now). And it's not like I'm some hater, I like Fu Xuan. She's a great generalist, but there are zero meta teams where I want Fu Xuan over Aventurine/HuoHuo/Gallagher. Not Fua, Not, DoT, Not Break. Also, Aventurine just has better comps where he's BiS. And has a principal, damage prevention is always better than damage mitigation.
@@wildcarx True. Ever since I got Aventurine my supports and most of the time Dps, have never been debuffed. My Sparkle and Tingyun sit at 88% and 100% effect res thanks to Aventurine.
Yeah, fufu is good but her best team (mono quantum) is far from meta and in any other meta team she is replaceable. For example on acheron team aven provides 2 debuffs with trend while she gives only one
This is probably idle chatter, but I think Aventurine should be higher, at least higher than Fu Xuan. Aventurine gives too much while being a sustainer: 2 types of debuffs for Acheron and Ratio; follow up attacks for even more follow up attack; shields, which are much more important than absorbing damage, especially if the enemy can kill Fu in 2-3 turns. Needless to say, he at least has damage, unlike the rest of the sustains. If we talk about Fu... Well, it gives a little resist, a little KV, good sustain.... And that's it... Therefore, I believe that Aventurne should be higher.
@@D4C_267fu xuan buffs are just better and universal and has 100% uptime unlike aventurine His buffs comes from his ult which is single target, Also crit rate is better.
@@karantej6702 fu xuan just soak damage and gives 12 crit. You are right that 12 crit is better than cdmg but she just exist. Aventurine is sp postive, has more synergies with debuff comps and follow up comps, and is good with even hypercarry comps or super break. He does more for the team than fuxuan who only sustains. Thats what universal means imo, he sustains just as well for less cost and more benefits
I think Robin>Firefly due to Robin opening up more FuA gameplay and is more versatile than FF is. The top three should've been all support since Dpses are quite replacable
fua needs the premium team to shine, if you pull firefly you already have 3/4 of the team done and you can run it with f2p lightcones and you destroy MoC and AS
@@nami1358 To be fair, there is going to be MANY premium FuA team, like it was DR Ratio but now we have Feixiao FuA premium team (Feixiao, Moze/Topaz, Robin, and Aventurine)
Bro, You really underestimate FUA comps 1. Aven is better than Fuxuan 2. Robin is better than firefly This tier list lowkey will age like milk respectfully With Feixiao coming soon. The FUA stock will go Up to the moon, Pretty Suprising this CC did not see this coming
@@khairilanam3020 Does not matter my point still stand. Feixiao coming will just make this a lot Worse. And Secondly as CC/TC you should know better, Livestream 2.5 already show Feixiao is FUA. It's like saying Supabreak don't have the future Even know firefly already showed in livestream. It's not like it is a leaks knowledge
This list won't age like milk at all. I 100% agree that Robin should be higher than Firefly, but Firefly is still stronger than Feixiao, so Bag's rating is quite fair. Firefly is just insane. But Acheron should definitely be higher than Firefly. Acheron and Firefly are the top two DPSs, with Boothill and Feixiao being **incredibly** close, but still ever so slightly worse.
@@mooseoncaffeine bro, Try to Read better and see my main Point. My main point is That, This dude underestimate FUA comps to be specific Aven and Robin. With Feixiao coming out, Both aven and Robin Value will go Up. Is not about Which Dps is stronger, it is about FUA comps got Better. Im not try to argue Which Dps is stronger Secondly, if we try to nitpick Even before Feixiao. Robin is still Higher than Firefly, Because its common knowledge Support is always have better Value then Dps in this type of Games. And Aven is just Overall Better than Fuxuan, Everybody who own Him knows that. Even before Feixiao you know that 2 Point im say is right Lol
Robin bouta get a lil higher with how much FUA is coming out. Rn FUA and Break are just running the meta and then theres just acheron whos just nihility- I cant wait to see what new team archetypes 3.0 brings us I think the rest of the 2.X patches are going to be balancing out DOT, Break, and FUA and 3.0 will bring us new archetypes and maybe a resurgence of hypercarry.
@@karantej6702 yup, Rappa is leaked to be a break unit, 2.7 is rumored to bring a new form of tingyun whos nihility which might be the DOT support needed for DOT to rise again. I think theyre trying to get all 3 niches around the same level before adding new ones
@saltisgreat1522 Yeah I really do think that's the direction the game is going, Feixiao pretty much brings FUA to the level of FF, Acheron and Boothill, Rappa will make break teams competitive in PF and Tinyun will probably bring dot teams to close to the same level, and 3.0 adding a new archetype looks like the most probable outcome.
ngl.. bothill is harder to use being single target and all but he is OBJECTIVELY the strongest character in hsr outside of pure fiction. it's kind of insane that way huh..
It depends on what enemies are in moc and being unusable for 1/3 of the endgame content does put him at a pretty big disadvantage and it’s arguable that firefly is better in apoc since it has multiple enemies via the boss summons
And his ass is still using bronya and wasting almost her entire buffs and kit bar the action advance, also wasting RM’s massive dmg bonus, can you imagine BH with a break support harmony? (Not HMC they are more of a superbreak enabler rather than break support)
Honestly, I'd place Acheron above Firefly. She literally outperforms so many units even at E0 and became a staple top tier damage dealer thanks to Jiaoqiu's existence. The only unit (excluding Aventurine) that simply excels in all end-game modes. So Robin >/= Ruan Mei > Acheron > Firefly > Boothill, etc Granted we have yet to get the premium HMC (hoping for Sunday) that will boost Firefly's performance even further so it's just a back-and-forth game of waiting to see which unit makes the apex dps hit higher numbers.
@@Ilikegames804 there is zero confirmation of Sunday's kit. Those "leaks" regarding him being a summon amplifier are all speculations and guesses from people.
8:28 That just removes the point of "meta". Meta is short for "Most effective tactic available" and if a sustain is the "Most effective tactic available" then well... Why can't they be meta?
Personally speaking I prefer adventurine to be higher on the list than fu xuan only as I've seen fu xuan fail at her role of actually keeping the team alive on her lonesome when she doesn't possess her lightcone. Adventurine on the other hand, doesn't necessarily need his signature to be as effective at his actual job of sustaining the team. With recent content centered around many DOT effects, we also see at times that his effect res buff sometimes is overwhelmingly more beneficial than fu xuans one time resist.
How is sparkle meta when no meta team wants her How is fu xuan meta when no meta team wants her How is gallagher NOT meta when every meta team wants him?
Because they’re universal in EVERY team, even if they dont have a permanent place in meta teams they’re still generally very good and flexible characters. Gallagher lags behind in teams that aren’t break meta
@@cyclone-studio18 Isn't that the whole argument for keeping Jiaoqiu out of the meta tier though? That he's generally good and flexible but never BiS (besides Acheron)?
@@cyclone-studio18 no he doesn’t because Gallagher is good in hypercarry if he holds qpq to battery robin. He’s also a debuff sustain for acheron and ratio (if you don’t own aventurine). He’s also by far the best sustain in Apoc shadow which should be considered
robin is the best unit in the game -bis for every team beside break -easy to use (just pop the ult and you get milion buffs) -shes cute (not a genocidal maniac like ruan mei) -FOLLOW UP FOR THE WIN!!!
I fail to see how Gallagher is not on the meta team and Fu Xuan is. Sure, Fu Xuan can basically guarantee your team survives and provides 24% CV,, but Gallagher provides: Just enough healing to survive, an insane amount of energy with QPQ, He destroys enemy toughness bars if weak to fire, works as a subDPS on Superbeeak teams (this guy hits 100k superbreaks ez as a sustain mind you) and even buffs break damage to top it off. I just think Gallagher does waaaaay too much and is an incredible fit on a LOT of meta teams nowadays, while Fu (even if it's a good unit) is not really as desired on the meta teams. Also Gallagher owns in all 3 of the End Game variants and even in SU he is incredible (while not as comfy to use as Fu Xuan or Aventurine) He is just really really solid at everything... Just my opinion tho Good video :D
@@MiIkywayCookie no hypercarry sparkle is just better and comfy to use then Robin she has so many flaws like without fua comp she has energy issue and she is not sp positive as rm and sparkle she doesn't work well with dhil, jingliu and blade. Stop coping nowadays Robin simps are getting toxic.
@@karantej6702 ever heard of Quid Pro Quo, honestly the "Robin struggle with ult uptime outside FuA" is getting old really, its understandable during her release but nowadays its just to prove that the person who bring this up have single digit amount of braincells
Man.. poor 1.0-1.1 units really struggling to keep up. HSR powercreep is pretty nutty. It went from "what can you do with what you have" "who do you have". At this rate I might have to just skip every unit until 5 years in the future lmao I dont think Hoyo is good enough at balancing turn based games.
@@Ilikegames804these is true i managed to max score first half with 1 cycle left with jy but couldn’t max score second half (only had 1 wave left of enemies left) despite having lightning weakness these second half is pretty much catered to acheron since the enemies are countering jy ex: 1.the boxers:they literally block LL’s damage since they need to be weakness broken to deal dmg + LL targeting messes it up since it will always equal the dmg to every single enemy on the field since these pf it will always be 4~5 enemies while his skill and ult can pretty much eliminate them casually. 2.the tv’s are annoying as well sometimes it takes energy from your team if you mess up and quickly doing unnecessary panics like using ults at the wrong time. 3.the ice guards they are the worse imo literally slows your character down so much it goes to the next cycle.
Having seen the previous lists to understand the reasonings behind each placement, basically everything here seems to make sense. I've seen several arguments in other places such as Boothill > Firefly, or that Sparkle is falling off as more playstyles that aren't Hypercarry are being pushed, but since the meta is tailored to Firefly right now and Sparkle presently is still THE go-to support for basically every Hypercarry setup I think their placements are justified. I even agree with some of the more controversial takes like Fu Xuan > Aventurine, and while I do feel that DHIL > Jingliu I don't think it's a great enough difference to matter too much. Yunli seems almost guaranteed to enter "The Meta" tier with just a little more proof to better show her performance without content tailored to her. Huohuo I could also see moving up, epsecially if more characters that need Energy are released, more enemies/bosses that spam nasty debuffs exist, or if some change is made that makes Abundance sustains more favorable to Preservation sustains. If she doesn't rise, she'll probably end up being a bit of a gatekeeper, keeping anyone below her out of the top tier. For some more hypothetical future changes, I think Topaz seems likely to move up if/when summons get more support, Herta/Jade and maybe even Argenti could move up if PF became more challenging/demanding, most of the Break team could fall down if Break ends up running into issues or falls off, Jingliu I could see falling off as more insanely good supports are released, and as weird as it feels to say I feel like Acheron is the most likely to fall out of "The Meta" out of every DPS there (though with Jiaoqiu's release I think it'll be a while before that can happen). Again though, this is all just hypothetical. I do wonder what the list would look like if each 5 star was taken at E1S0 or E0S1, since those can often fix fundamental issues with certain characters like Huohuo turning SP Positive with her E1 or make characters improve dramatically like Sparkle/Robin/Black Swan/Acheron, though I don't see a list like that being too useful since most 5 stars can be made "Meta" with enough vertical investment anyways. All in all, good list.
10:56 As someone with a firefly and no ruan mei, she is mediocre. Nowhere near boothill without ruan mei (which is still good). It is unfortunate. 5 cycles moc, 3388 apoc shadow and completely unusable in pf.
Yeah, nice thing with Boothill is you can run him without any premium units. If anything he’s more tied to Bronya than RM, and his other best teammates are either free or a 4*(hmc, gallagher, pela, hanya).
Sorry bro but Aventurine is just better than Fu xuan . I think the main reason for this is lack of teams where Fu xuan is better than Aventurine . Bis team for Fu xuan is dead (Mono Quantum) . Maybe when Seele powercreep (Quantum dps) comes out Fu will be in better situation
sampo should def be along with guinaifen or above because he can sometimes replace kafka when they have wind weakness and u have a black swan (with his e4)
Simply because Gallagher is the character that most benefits from the QPQ light cone I think he is the best sustain, its ability to recharge energy and greatly shorten rotations is better than a little extra critical rate (Fu Xuan) or a received critical damage debuff (Aventurine), that added to the two debuffs he has in his kit and how easily he breaks fire weak enemies' toughness make him BiS for Firefly and Acheron's teams, the 2 best DPS in the game.
To me, i think sampo can go up a tier since he's not just a dot dps, he can be a nasty breaker as well when built right. It depends when you can built him right or not, sampo is somewhat similar to xueyi in a way, can go a balance between 2 builds. Btw, robin overall firefly, she's just way too cracked as a support to use. Massive damage buffs and full action advance. The only think i can say bad about her is if you can't manage your SP before using robin ult, you fk up IL can also definitely go down, he just relys to much on sparkle that it's extremely problematic to play when without sparkle. IL also need loucha for his SP positive nature as well so i think he needs to go down a tier is fair
If acheron's is considered for only low investment (and not considering Jiaoqiu's insane synergy which makes her a universally good char) then I hate to be the hater but the DoT package should fall significantly in the same tier as the most parasitic and vertical team comp out here
Yunli not meta when she is one of the strongest dps, and literally the strongets against hoolay for example shows lack of knowladge, she is equally as good as boothill on AS and MoC while also being omega good in PF like wtf? Also FF is pretty damn weak and she is carried by HMC and ruan mei hard , when rappa comes out that is a break character she will be fighting for those supports so is bench time
You're not using Rappa for anything outside pure fiction. Firefly is MoC and Apocalyptic apex which means she still has an edge over Rappa. Those supports will not be contested when they're not even used in the same content at their peak performance. It's clear Firefly was meant to struggle in Pure Fiction but to excel in every other game mode.
People when a character is bad in one of the game modes: "meh, theyre not universal" People when Yunli is strong in all game modes: "meh not as good as the meta dps"
@@therion451 she is good in all endgames not the best or even 2nd best in any modes also pf is favouring yunli rn so wait for next pf cycle. also her kit is too similar to clara thats why most people skipped her.
@@chelo136 "carried by rm and hmc" should've played pokemon if u want 1v1 unit comparisons, hsr is a team based game and rappa isn't gonna replace ff on dealing dmge since fire and phys has the strongest break dmge out of all the elements.
I agree with every single one of your statements... Except the last part. Why did you have to say that? That statement is the equivalent of, "Acheron gets carried by her nihility teammates".This isn't a game where you can go solo like Genshin.
10:27 Robin is the best unit in the game by far and it’s not even close, she’s best in slot for essentially every single team, best for Acheron, best for follow up, best for any crit hypercarry, best for any dot team, essentially every team EXCEPT firefly (even boothill works with Robin well). Ruan Mei is a fraud and is worse than Robin in every single team except firefly, I can dm u some videos of their comparisons if you want, but Robin is just undeniably WAY better.
lol cope harder rn meta and hoyo releasing fua units thats why robin is great rn but after feixiao i dont think they will release anymore fua units probably hypercarry and break comps also for hypercarry she is not good or depend on other support unlike rm she has some flaws her energy problem and sp, in hypercarry sparkle is goat bcs the most important thing in hypercarry is sp.
@@karantej6702JL, JY, Yunli, Ratio, Blade, Acheron, Clara, Himeko, and Argenti beg to differ. You also act like HH the best hypercarry sustain does not exist
She is best but she is not easier and cheaper to use than rm. And her lc options r mostly gacha if u don't get the event lc and if ur not playing fup or ur units are not fast af then u will have some energy issues. Using ruan mei is just press skill and wait till u have ult. Less room for error than robin So robin is good if she has the tools to do so.
@@Ilikegames804 what do you mean jl is not good with Robin bcs she gets so much atk in her base kit also she is good not bcs of buffs but ad which is not necessary.
honestly robin is better than ruan mei, and i truly believe she is the bst character in the game. i feel like over time more and more people will come to realize this especially once they pull on her upcoming rerun.
@@CaptainPlayerMan stop the Robin glazing bro rm is just miles better then Robin bcs every character in the game can use her buffs and rm doesn't have a single weakness unlike robin who has so many weakness like energy issue outside of fua comp also she isn't as sp positive as rm or sparkle and her ult can't buff hp scaling characters.
@@karantej6702 i mean i think dot and HP scalers are the only two types of units in the game that cant completely make use of all of robins buffs (outside of her fua crit damage trace). i agree rm's buffs are more universal, but i would much rather use a robin than a rm in most scenarios outside of break teams. the only reason rm is better is because break is probably the best and most f2p friendly team you can make at this stage in the game, and rm helps those teams excel. also robin's team-wide action advance will always be one of the strongest ultimates in the entire game, and even if we get a harmony unit with better numbers than rm and robin, she will still be useful purely for this ultimate.
Xueyi being below Blade is really the only one I have a problem with, just because of your reasoning. Her Ult and FUA do colorless toughness damage, and while she does prefer quantum weak for her skill, she still does well into imaginary and fire weak due to the large amount of toughness Gallagher and HMC do when running the super break comp. She does require higher quality Relics due to being hybrid break instead of pure like FF and BH, but what 4 star dps doesn’t in games like this?
@@Shane_A_M Yeah honestly I've consistently seen Xueyi pop off more than Blade in the right setups. Blade just really has low multipliers and desperately needs a tailored support
To add on, blade has literally no place now, there's no endgame that demands a tank dps. should you need one somehow, yunli, and possibly even clara does a FAR better job at that anyway by having much better damage potential. Anything you can give blade right now will buff another character far more. And I'm saying this as a blade stan who saved and prefarmed for him
@@catteo2832 Plus Blade has dookie Light Cones compared to Xueyi in the context of this list since he’s not including their signatures. Blade’s low multipliers feel even worse when he doesn’t have access to his signature and huge stat sticks like Fall of an Aeon and Indelible Promise, which Xueyi does have in this context.
@@curryfishheadenjoyer Very true, at least Xueyi has a purpose as a budget Firefly that’s given out for free. Starting next patch Blade won’t even have a niche in the Wind DPS category, there is no reason to use him over anyone else (meta wise at least).
@@Shane_A_M I wouldn't quite say that, I think xueyis more like a budget/prototype Acheron with some break scaling actually. She's the first dps with type ignore in general, and she's not quite a true break dps since her FUA wants enemies to not be in the broken state. Although yes xueyi in super break is great
yo you are sleeping on Xueyi, she's got a flexible ult, Asta is still really good for niche comps, same as Hanya, Qingqu is of course the wild card, I hear recently Guinaifen's been working in certain teams as well
March 7th(H) and Topaz should move up in the same tier to around the PF trio once Feixiao comes out. Not so sure on the March 7th but I could see her taking the spot of Gallagher as a sub-dps/support especially once her E6 comes out. But for gods sake Topaz stocks SHOULD already put her above ratio, and will definitely make it undeniable once the next FuA team comes out. I mean come on, Topaz is to FuA like Black Swan is to DoT
as someone with firefly but no robin i agree. ive seen someone compare firefly to ayaka and its surprisingly apt, the second hoyo decides to counter her shes going to fall off hard. all hoyo needs to do is add more weakness lock enemies like the beer gorilla and fireflys gonna shine a lot less brightly. robin on the other hand id say is like kazuha/furina, even if better characters than her come out in the future she'll still have her place.
The disrespect for Ice March is kind of disappointing. She is so vital for newbie players to tackle one of the hardest content in the game Swarm 5/high conundrum G&G earlier than they would've, otherwise they would need to build a strong team of well built characters to even beat that content. We have seen under-geared teams consisting of March 7th, Pela, Herta, and a flex clear Swarm 5. Her being in not even worth to build when i think she should be in awkward to use tier is more suited.
Welp doesn’t really matter because she now has the MC problem and that is you can only use one path at a time and IMG Hunt Mach is actually a Tier 1~0.5 character with Feixiao’s release so there literally no reason not to use her she’s that good as both a sub DPS support or even a main DPS.
As a Huohuo fan, is quite sad seeing her falling from the meta tier, but i'm still happy that she is still generally strong. Also, E1 really fix some of her SP issues.
Huohuo only really fell because generally preventing damage > healing damage. If that changed for whatever reason, she'd be meta in a heartbeat. Deciding to get E1 Huohuo was a tough decision for me, but after getting it I could tell I am never going to regret it. It's so good.
Man, I just started 2 weeks ago, and I'm in such a pickle. I haven't spend any jade yet, and planning when to spend it seems tricky. I like how cheap to play friendly the Firefly build is, but IDK when she'll come back. I'm tempted to pull on the Robin rerun, but my only premium follow up attack unit is Himeko. If anyone has advice, please LMK! Is it feasible to build these two teams, or am I better off focusing on one?
Do you have gallagher? Also robin can be used in almost every team, not just fua. I would get a robin copy and decide from there. You cant also go wrong for ex with a copy of feixiao+robin, pair them with e2 moze (if you get him on their banner) or the free march 7th hunt + gallagher and you have a banger team
Robin does well even outside of fua team so imo pick robin. She synergizes really well with hunt march 7th who is free and can be slotted into any team. As for firefly since we're getting more reruns she might come back in around 2 versions
I Honeslty think this tier list is very very good. I only have to things I would change, luka should be one tier higher and Acheron is better than firefly. Luka yes is single target and a 4 star but his vulnerability debuff plus the damage he can do is actually pretty good. I use him with my Acheron as a sub DPS it’s Jiaoqiu and Gepard or Gallagher depending on how comfy I want to play. He does a good 30-50k with his ult if debuff and stuff is applied and does 18k on average with enhanced basic especially when breaking, not to well built either. Him being nihility is an extra for my Acheron. And then I think Acheron just does more damage than firefly in general and is much easier to use. I mean that may be bias but that’s my opinion
@@HSRFirefly My Acheron is E0S0 and does more damage then my boothill at E0S0, both with optimal teams and very even relics... I love them both and they are my strongest DPS my Acheron can do like 300-400k while my boothill does 200-300k which is still very commandable
@@gardevoirmaster5743You’re forgetting that Boothill’s 200k is every basic attack, which he can do a lot since he’s already fast and runs with action advancing teammates. Acheron has bigger bursts of damage than anyone else, but even in her best case scenarios she can’t ult even close to as often as Boothill can enhanced basic or Firefly can enhanced skill. I still think Acheron is overall better than Boothill, but it isn’t because “her number bigger”, it’s because she can crush any content no matter how many enemies there are.
@@Limrick1029 I see what you mean. I do agree boothill does do more damage more frequent at the higher damage but to do that damage he has to break the enemy or have the enemy already broken. So once the enemy is broken he can do more frequent high damage then Acheron but you have to get the enemy broken before the insane damage plus he is only single target unlike Acheron who can hit everyone on field and can produce higher damage at yes a slower rate especially depending on your nihility character which is another drawback but there’s less to rely on then boothill. I call it BrainDead Gaming (Acheron)
I have a lot of hot takes, mostly characters being strong is mostly (for dps’s) entirely based on the enemy line-up. Firefly is overpowered, but without Harmony MC she has good 4* damage. (So as of right now she is tied to one/two characters) I would play this up, except the character she is tied to is free so I can’t say that she is weaker then people think. (Actually with how good Ruan Mei is and everyone having her Firefly is one of the easiest dps to pull and play.) very evident weakness in team building, that somehow isn’t an issue. Now with…(I won’t even try to spell her name) with are fox lady battery, I would drop her a tier, her strength on the earlier stages of the game is biblical, but with this game going into dual dps hard and fast has of now, she is way less valuable (in today “meta”… I just said meta…yuck) Anyways, I think asta should be up a tier because of dual dps being strong right now, (still weaker then fox lady. I not put my opinions here to slight the tier list in anyway. After all different people find different things strong, and that’s what makes a game with so many options fun. Oh one last note, Boothill is hard to place, because holy fricken hell that guy is a beast, but you can’t take him into every fight, even with his implant. So it’s hard to “ judge him”
bro putting fu above fu is crazy like she is not even close to be on aventurine lvl even gallagher is better than her ppl glazing female characters like that are crazy accpet that she is not good anymore you just hate male characters that much
Robin is definitely the best character in the game, the only team she loses to Ruan Mei on is Firefly. Sure, Firefly is top tier, but so are Yunli, Acheron, IPC team, and to a lesser extent DoT. Even the less meta teams prefer Robin to Ruan Mei, the full team action advance is quite simply the strongest ability in HSR, it overshadows every other Harmony unit’s entire kit. I think top three is Robin at 1, Ruan Mei at 2, then Firefly at 3.
Firefly is not above acharon , even before jiaoqiu came out , let alone now , try an element locked enemy Or pure fiction in which acharon also excells at Acharon is very usable in apocalyptic shadow which is firefly best mode Firefly can't be used viably in pf , acharon is one of the best In moc acharon can clear a field with one hit and her ult comes back very quickly
I think wind dan heng deserves to at least move up a tier due to how well he works with the new pioneer set, based on personal experience with e0s0 supports i could still make him hit for 400k with relics that are okay at best without having limited 5 star lcs like seeles lc on him
I mean, there is a reason on why almost half the comments that I see are aventurine-fu xuan related, is just a personal bias of yourself, 12% crit rate is not that much Outside of that, pretty good video, keep up king
2:00 "Sushang is at the top due to her Superbreak niche" yet Luka's position not only remains the same as in the previous video, you haven't even mentioned Luka's superbreak/ break capabilities. Luka's position was only explained by you with "He is single target" and that's it? 😭😭
-Fu Xuan is only for crit rate and Crowd Control debuffs 1 time. It's pink It's waifu. if the fight goes long you lose aoe and you lose -Aventurine shields can be accumulated shields resist decently against only 1 ally and giv (50% Effect RES) 30 % free crit dmg with broken kell perfect for aoe apply debuffs if the fight goes long no problem fua he's a man not waifu Winner: Fu Xuan
A W tier list that I really agree with, what’s your opinion about feixiao and lingsha? For me, both of them are in the meta. At least at the bottom of it
I’m expecting that break dps will always have implant or else they’ll do absolutely nothing if not in their element. Plus since their dmg window is kinda small they’ll always have delays, break efficiency or speed manipulation in their kit. Fundamentally making them broken or not depending on how you look at it .
I think sw is there because she only really works in forgotten hall now, she’s single target and which is useless in pure fiction and in apocalyptic shadow u pretty much will always have all the weaknesses u need anyway
Welp that’s the thing she is better then Sparkle ( With E1 mainly ) but nonetheless with JQs release Robin is better then Sparkle in the Acheron team and for Feixiao Broyna is an amazing support and is used in 0 cycle clears in the beta.
@@Turbanator_3 currently beside being comfortable to run she only has 3 teams currently and they are DHIL, Mono Q and Acheron. Now 2 of the 3 are no longer meta and without Eid investment they are actually somewhat bad, now for Acheron she’s an amazing combo however with JQs release Robins have surpassed her on the team. So TLDR currently Sparkle has 0 meta lvl teams being BIS without Eid investment.
guys i wanna spend money on honkai star rail to get a good dps should i pull kafka next patch or wait? cuz rn i have himeko clara sparkle and dr ratio idk if sparkle is good with kafka since shes made for DoT teams any advice??
If you wanna get Kafka, you might have to get Blackswan too since both of them is like a package deal ngl Also Sparkle doesn't work with DoT, so if you're gonna spend money, get Robin, BS, and Kafka (Robin is the BiS support for DoT as of now)
Also keep it mind this is Kafka's 2nd rerun and it might be an extremely long time for her next. It is only Robin and Bs 1st rerun so more than likely it wont be as long until they rerun again.
Yunli is to high on this list sure she clears all 3 modes as a carry but that doesn't make her top tier + people don't even user versatility properly there's way better single targets than yunli
5:33 meant to say 20.8%, not 25% here I cannot catch a break when covering black swan i swear lmao. I had to entirely rerecord the audio for this vid due to technical issues, so having only 1 mistake (that Ive noticed) is good enough for me
You did not just put Fuxuan above huohuo and gallgher ?!?!?!?
Do you also just forget gallagher and aventurine are 100% sp positive ?
Fu Xuan is definitely not meta 💀 her being above Aventurine, Gallagher and Huo Huo is not it
The fuxuan glaze is annoying. She's only BIS in like 2 teams while aventurine is BIS for every fua unit and he is better for general use.
Aventurine also just works wherever there is debuffs due to the Pioneer set, the set increases his potential to sub-dps by a good margin.
Ranking characters based on hominy bis teams they have is dumb, fu xuan is effective in every team without much difficulty, aventurine can struggle in teams where a characters moves fast and uses a lot of sp because if that character loses the shield, they’re screwed.
@@remi9708 How is it dumb? Having more BIS teams makes him a higher value pull especially when FUA teams are so good rn. Way more damage, sp positive, and toughness damage than FU. Fuxuan needs to consume alot sp in debuff heavy content so I don't really see ur point here.
Fu Xuan and Aventurine are pretty much entirely equal, but the current meta favors Aventurine.
How is Aventurine better for general use if he provides less buffs and is more vulnerable to cc?
about the whole Aventurine vs fu xuan situation, as someone who has both, I think aventurine is just better. i haven't really used fu xuan since I've gotten aventurine because his shield just never goes away while with fu xuan, yes she is unkillable, but that doesn't mean the rest of the team wont die. also this is mainly me talking about keeping the team alive, not about any buffs/debuffs they bring to the team.
Also the thing he forgot about aventurine as well is that he just gives the whole team a ton of fre eeffect res with his shields
arlan is definitely meta just pair him with e6s5 robin sparkle and ruan mei with perfect relics
E6s5 Robin, RM, and Sparkle*
Or just put him on a firefly super break team, his best in slot team!!
Or, just dont play him
You already know the fanbase just absolutely glazes female characters when they put Fu Xuan above Aventurine.
I'm sorry but Aventurine is literally the best sustain option for literally 2 of the best dps in the game (Acheron, Dr. Ratio) by just having debuff, can sustain a lot better than Fu Xuan and not die in like 1 heavy AoE hit, a lot more SP positive and actually does damage, even if he's E0S0 still does more dmg than Fu Xuan especially if you have Robin, I know that damage one is small but it still counts. The only viable team option for Fu Xuan is mono quantum, or if you have sparkle or if you just need crit, while Aventurine is absolutely viable in any sort of debuff OR FuA team (Again, Acheron and Dr. Ratio) which are completely meta type teams.
With more FuA characters coming in the future, this tierlist is gonna age like milk in such short matter of time.
yeah i agree aventurine is the best sustainer in the game fu is just not that good right now even Gallagher is better than her in my opinion
Not talk about aven toughness reduction is wild
idk what his problem with aven is, really. He casually skips over half his kit whenever he compares him to FX
He hates aven
LET THE UNNECESSARY CONTROVERSY BEGIN!!!!
FuXuan is "the Meta"? How? 24CV sure. Guaranteed CC resist is crap in debuff heavy fights, this ain't 1.0 no more. Trend is waaay to niche to be substantial. Now Fu is solid and does her job, but in any content that has hard hitting aoes or a multitude of DoTs she's not comfortable to play at all(which is becoming the norm now). And it's not like I'm some hater, I like Fu Xuan. She's a great generalist, but there are zero meta teams where I want Fu Xuan over Aventurine/HuoHuo/Gallagher. Not Fua, Not, DoT, Not Break.
Also, Aventurine just has better comps where he's BiS. And has a principal, damage prevention is always better than damage mitigation.
Don't forget the effect res from adventurine can fk up dot based enemies as well to deal with them
@@wildcarx True. Ever since I got Aventurine my supports and most of the time Dps, have never been debuffed. My Sparkle and Tingyun sit at 88% and 100% effect res thanks to Aventurine.
Yeah, fufu is good but her best team (mono quantum) is far from meta and in any other meta team she is replaceable. For example on acheron team aven provides 2 debuffs with trend while she gives only one
@@wildcarxAventurine*
Teams where FX is good according to this comment
1) Fua
2) not
3) Break
Teams where she's good
1) Dot
This is probably idle chatter, but I think Aventurine should be higher, at least higher than Fu Xuan. Aventurine gives too much while being a sustainer: 2 types of debuffs for Acheron and Ratio; follow up attacks for even more follow up attack; shields, which are much more important than absorbing damage, especially if the enemy can kill Fu in 2-3 turns. Needless to say, he at least has damage, unlike the rest of the sustains.
If we talk about Fu... Well, it gives a little resist, a little KV, good sustain.... And that's it...
Therefore, I believe that Aventurne should be higher.
Aventurine is a man so people will do their best to downplay him despite him being than fuxuan in pretty much every way. Huge cope from this guy
Aventurine's second debuff comes only from his Lightcone which applies one to his Follow Up Attacks. An E0S0 Aven only has his ult.
@@D4C_267fu xuan buffs are just better and universal and has 100% uptime unlike aventurine His buffs comes from his ult which is single target, Also crit rate is better.
@@D4C_267 pls this guy IS a man..
@@karantej6702 fu xuan just soak damage and gives 12 crit. You are right that 12 crit is better than cdmg but she just exist. Aventurine is sp postive, has more synergies with debuff comps and follow up comps, and is good with even hypercarry comps or super break. He does more for the team than fuxuan who only sustains. Thats what universal means imo, he sustains just as well for less cost and more benefits
I think Robin>Firefly due to Robin opening up more FuA gameplay and is more versatile than FF is. The top three should've been all support since Dpses are quite replacable
agreed but who would be the third support since sparle's buffs aren't in high demand in the current meta
fua needs the premium team to shine, if you pull firefly you already have 3/4 of the team done and you can run it with f2p lightcones and you destroy MoC and AS
@@nami1358 To be fair, there is going to be MANY premium FuA team, like it was DR Ratio but now we have Feixiao FuA premium team (Feixiao, Moze/Topaz, Robin, and Aventurine)
Definitely not harmony in all top three sparkle isn’t that useful in the current meta
@@nyes4596 fua comps is too expensive but not needed tbh,If you have acheron and ff.
Bro, You really underestimate FUA comps
1. Aven is better than Fuxuan
2. Robin is better than firefly
This tier list lowkey will age like milk respectfully With Feixiao coming soon. The FUA stock will go Up to the moon, Pretty Suprising this CC did not see this coming
Yes, Robin is definitely better than Robin.
"For 2.4, at least"
@@khairilanam3020 Does not matter my point still stand. Feixiao coming will just make this a lot Worse.
And Secondly as CC/TC you should know better, Livestream 2.5 already show Feixiao is FUA. It's like saying Supabreak don't have the future Even know firefly already showed in livestream.
It's not like it is a leaks knowledge
This list won't age like milk at all.
I 100% agree that Robin should be higher than Firefly, but Firefly is still stronger than Feixiao, so Bag's rating is quite fair. Firefly is just insane. But Acheron should definitely be higher than Firefly.
Acheron and Firefly are the top two DPSs, with Boothill and Feixiao being **incredibly** close, but still ever so slightly worse.
@@mooseoncaffeine bro, Try to Read better and see my main Point.
My main point is That, This dude underestimate FUA comps to be specific Aven and Robin. With Feixiao coming out, Both aven and Robin Value will go Up. Is not about Which Dps is stronger, it is about FUA comps got Better. Im not try to argue Which Dps is stronger
Secondly, if we try to nitpick Even before Feixiao. Robin is still Higher than Firefly, Because its common knowledge Support is always have better Value then Dps in this type of Games. And Aven is just Overall Better than Fuxuan, Everybody who own Him knows that.
Even before Feixiao you know that 2 Point im say is right Lol
Robin bouta get a lil higher with how much FUA is coming out. Rn FUA and Break are just running the meta and then theres just acheron whos just nihility- I cant wait to see what new team archetypes 3.0 brings us I think the rest of the 2.X patches are going to be balancing out DOT, Break, and FUA and 3.0 will bring us new archetypes and maybe a resurgence of hypercarry.
mostly fua tbh i think fua cycle will probably end after feixiao release .
@@karantej6702 yup, Rappa is leaked to be a break unit, 2.7 is rumored to bring a new form of tingyun whos nihility which might be the DOT support needed for DOT to rise again. I think theyre trying to get all 3 niches around the same level before adding new ones
@saltisgreat1522 Yeah I really do think that's the direction the game is going, Feixiao pretty much brings FUA to the level of FF, Acheron and Boothill, Rappa will make break teams competitive in PF and Tinyun will probably bring dot teams to close to the same level, and 3.0 adding a new archetype looks like the most probable outcome.
There are speculations of a hp meta occurring in 3.0 with two hp scaling destruction units
I thought it was summons because of aglaea and that ornament @@AeryMP3
ngl.. bothill is harder to use being single target and all but he is OBJECTIVELY the strongest character in hsr outside of pure fiction. it's kind of insane that way huh..
It depends on what enemies are in moc and being unusable for 1/3 of the endgame content does put him at a pretty big disadvantage and it’s arguable that firefly is better in apoc since it has multiple enemies via the boss summons
And his ass is still using bronya and wasting almost her entire buffs and kit bar the action advance, also wasting RM’s massive dmg bonus, can you imagine BH with a break support harmony? (Not HMC they are more of a superbreak enabler rather than break support)
Honestly I think firefly shouldnt not be above robin. In fact i think robin>mei or at the very least interchangeable.
Honestly, I'd place Acheron above Firefly. She literally outperforms so many units even at E0 and became a staple top tier damage dealer thanks to Jiaoqiu's existence. The only unit (excluding Aventurine) that simply excels in all end-game modes.
So Robin >/= Ruan Mei > Acheron > Firefly > Boothill, etc
Granted we have yet to get the premium HMC (hoping for Sunday) that will boost Firefly's performance even further so it's just a back-and-forth game of waiting to see which unit makes the apex dps hit higher numbers.
@@Lian_LC_AEI don’t wanna burst your bubble but Sunday is a summon support.
@@Ilikegames804 not really confirmed heck feixiao was leaked to have summons and dot and look what she came out to be.
@@lurkera7351i think that you are seeing speculations not leaks. Feixiao was always Follow-up/Breaker and Sunday Summons was the Boss
@@Ilikegames804 there is zero confirmation of Sunday's kit. Those "leaks" regarding him being a summon amplifier are all speculations and guesses from people.
8:28 That just removes the point of "meta". Meta is short for "Most effective tactic available" and if a sustain is the "Most effective tactic available" then well... Why can't they be meta?
Personally speaking I prefer adventurine to be higher on the list than fu xuan only as I've seen fu xuan fail at her role of actually keeping the team alive on her lonesome when she doesn't possess her lightcone. Adventurine on the other hand, doesn't necessarily need his signature to be as effective at his actual job of sustaining the team. With recent content centered around many DOT effects, we also see at times that his effect res buff sometimes is overwhelmingly more beneficial than fu xuans one time resist.
How is sparkle meta when no meta team wants her
How is fu xuan meta when no meta team wants her
How is gallagher NOT meta when every meta team wants him?
lol
Because they’re universal in EVERY team, even if they dont have a permanent place in meta teams they’re still generally very good and flexible characters. Gallagher lags behind in teams that aren’t break meta
@@cyclone-studio18 Isn't that the whole argument for keeping Jiaoqiu out of the meta tier though? That he's generally good and flexible but never BiS (besides Acheron)?
@@cyclone-studio18 no he doesn’t because Gallagher is good in hypercarry if he holds qpq to battery robin. He’s also a debuff sustain for acheron and ratio (if you don’t own aventurine). He’s also by far the best sustain in Apoc shadow which should be considered
@@cyclone-studio18 fu xuan is horrible in break, dot and fua and many hypercarries (which isn’t even meta rn) prefer other sustains
hot take : sparkle isnt meta anymore
Still better than bronya
Hot take indeed
it's not a hot take, it's a normal take at this point
@@itsukiii3903shes a bronya sidegrade at best
robin is the best unit in the game
-bis for every team beside break
-easy to use (just pop the ult and you get milion buffs)
-shes cute (not a genocidal maniac like ruan mei)
-FOLLOW UP FOR THE WIN!!!
I fail to see how Gallagher is not on the meta team and Fu Xuan is.
Sure, Fu Xuan can basically guarantee your team survives and provides 24% CV,, but Gallagher provides: Just enough healing to survive, an insane amount of energy with QPQ, He destroys enemy toughness bars if weak to fire, works as a subDPS on Superbeeak teams (this guy hits 100k superbreaks ez as a sustain mind you) and even buffs break damage to top it off.
I just think Gallagher does waaaaay too much and is an incredible fit on a LOT of meta teams nowadays, while Fu (even if it's a good unit) is not really as desired on the meta teams.
Also Gallagher owns in all 3 of the End Game variants and even in SU he is incredible (while not as comfy to use as Fu Xuan or Aventurine)
He is just really really solid at everything...
Just my opinion tho
Good video :D
Should place Robin above Firefly, Robin is by far the best in slot in any team (excluding break)
@@MiIkywayCookie no hypercarry sparkle is just better and comfy to use then Robin she has so many flaws like without fua comp she has energy issue and she is not sp positive as rm and sparkle she doesn't work well with dhil, jingliu and blade. Stop coping nowadays Robin simps are getting toxic.
@@karantej6702 ever heard of Quid Pro Quo, honestly the "Robin struggle with ult uptime outside FuA" is getting old really, its understandable during her release but nowadays its just to prove that the person who bring this up have single digit amount of braincells
@@karantej6702 Just like the person said above me. QPQ is the key, the energy issue argument is getting old now, that's what RM glazers always say
Aventurine carries 🗿
Dhil below jingliu is wild
Man.. poor 1.0-1.1 units really struggling to keep up. HSR powercreep is pretty nutty. It went from "what can you do with what you have" "who do you have". At this rate I might have to just skip every unit until 5 years in the future lmao
I dont think Hoyo is good enough at balancing turn based games.
Genuinely asking, can you give an example of turn based gacha that doesnt do powercreep
Don't blame Hoyo for this, every gacha game is doomed to have power creep so it's expected
@@ra6765 Jing Yuan has actually been pretty consistent. Every patch he gets a new toy and so far consistently clears MOC and PF when lightning weak.
@@Rob.N.For this PF specifically JY is not good against the lightning weak enemies on F4. He clears better on the top half
@@Ilikegames804these is true i managed to max score first half with 1 cycle left with jy but couldn’t max score second half (only had 1 wave left of enemies left) despite having lightning weakness these second half is pretty much catered to acheron since the enemies are countering jy ex:
1.the boxers:they literally block LL’s damage since they need to be weakness broken to deal dmg + LL targeting messes it up since it will always equal the dmg to every single enemy on the field since these pf it will always be 4~5 enemies while his skill and ult can pretty much eliminate them casually.
2.the tv’s are annoying as well sometimes it takes energy from your team if you mess up and quickly doing unnecessary panics like using ults at the wrong time.
3.the ice guards they are the worse imo literally slows your character down so much it goes to the next cycle.
Having seen the previous lists to understand the reasonings behind each placement, basically everything here seems to make sense. I've seen several arguments in other places such as Boothill > Firefly, or that Sparkle is falling off as more playstyles that aren't Hypercarry are being pushed, but since the meta is tailored to Firefly right now and Sparkle presently is still THE go-to support for basically every Hypercarry setup I think their placements are justified. I even agree with some of the more controversial takes like Fu Xuan > Aventurine, and while I do feel that DHIL > Jingliu I don't think it's a great enough difference to matter too much.
Yunli seems almost guaranteed to enter "The Meta" tier with just a little more proof to better show her performance without content tailored to her. Huohuo I could also see moving up, epsecially if more characters that need Energy are released, more enemies/bosses that spam nasty debuffs exist, or if some change is made that makes Abundance sustains more favorable to Preservation sustains. If she doesn't rise, she'll probably end up being a bit of a gatekeeper, keeping anyone below her out of the top tier.
For some more hypothetical future changes, I think Topaz seems likely to move up if/when summons get more support, Herta/Jade and maybe even Argenti could move up if PF became more challenging/demanding, most of the Break team could fall down if Break ends up running into issues or falls off, Jingliu I could see falling off as more insanely good supports are released, and as weird as it feels to say I feel like Acheron is the most likely to fall out of "The Meta" out of every DPS there (though with Jiaoqiu's release I think it'll be a while before that can happen). Again though, this is all just hypothetical.
I do wonder what the list would look like if each 5 star was taken at E1S0 or E0S1, since those can often fix fundamental issues with certain characters like Huohuo turning SP Positive with her E1 or make characters improve dramatically like Sparkle/Robin/Black Swan/Acheron, though I don't see a list like that being too useful since most 5 stars can be made "Meta" with enough vertical investment anyways.
All in all, good list.
As a DOT apologist I’m happy to see Kafka still hanging in there after all this time.
10:56 As someone with a firefly and no ruan mei, she is mediocre. Nowhere near boothill without ruan mei (which is still good). It is unfortunate. 5 cycles moc, 3388 apoc shadow and completely unusable in pf.
Yeah, nice thing with Boothill is you can run him without any premium units. If anything he’s more tied to Bronya than RM, and his other best teammates are either free or a 4*(hmc, gallagher, pela, hanya).
Sorry bro but Aventurine is just better than Fu xuan .
I think the main reason for this is lack of teams where Fu xuan is better than Aventurine .
Bis team for Fu xuan is dead (Mono Quantum) . Maybe when Seele powercreep (Quantum dps) comes out Fu will be in better situation
sampo should def be along with guinaifen or above because he can sometimes replace kafka when they have wind weakness and u have a black swan (with his e4)
I could see guin being right above sampo because her damage amp applies to all damage and not just dot but yea they're pretty similar in strength
Simply because Gallagher is the character that most benefits from the QPQ light cone I think he is the best sustain, its ability to recharge energy and greatly shorten rotations is better than a little extra critical rate (Fu Xuan) or a received critical damage debuff (Aventurine), that added to the two debuffs he has in his kit and how easily he breaks fire weak enemies' toughness make him BiS for Firefly and Acheron's teams, the 2 best DPS in the game.
To me, i think sampo can go up a tier since he's not just a dot dps, he can be a nasty breaker as well when built right. It depends when you can built him right or not, sampo is somewhat similar to xueyi in a way, can go a balance between 2 builds.
Btw, robin overall firefly, she's just way too cracked as a support to use. Massive damage buffs and full action advance. The only think i can say bad about her is if you can't manage your SP before using robin ult, you fk up
IL can also definitely go down, he just relys to much on sparkle that it's extremely problematic to play when without sparkle. IL also need loucha for his SP positive nature as well so i think he needs to go down a tier is fair
Pela and silver wolf are on the same tier because both a useful in different situations.
Boothill was such a game changer for me I went from struggling in moc 11 to clearing moc 12 comfortably now
If acheron's is considered for only low investment (and not considering Jiaoqiu's insane synergy which makes her a universally good char) then I hate to be the hater but the DoT package should fall significantly in the same tier as the most parasitic and vertical team comp out here
Yunli not meta when she is one of the strongest dps, and literally the strongets against hoolay for example shows lack of knowladge, she is equally as good as boothill on AS and MoC while also being omega good in PF like wtf?
Also FF is pretty damn weak and she is carried by HMC and ruan mei hard , when rappa comes out that is a break character she will be fighting for those supports so is bench time
You're not using Rappa for anything outside pure fiction. Firefly is MoC and Apocalyptic apex which means she still has an edge over Rappa. Those supports will not be contested when they're not even used in the same content at their peak performance. It's clear Firefly was meant to struggle in Pure Fiction but to excel in every other game mode.
People when a character is bad in one of the game modes: "meh, theyre not universal"
People when Yunli is strong in all game modes: "meh not as good as the meta dps"
@@therion451 she is good in all endgames not the best or even 2nd best in any modes also pf is favouring yunli rn so wait for next pf cycle. also her kit is too similar to clara thats why most people skipped her.
@@chelo136 "carried by rm and hmc" should've played pokemon if u want 1v1 unit comparisons, hsr is a team based game and rappa isn't gonna replace ff on dealing dmge since fire and phys has the strongest break dmge out of all the elements.
I agree with every single one of your statements... Except the last part.
Why did you have to say that? That statement is the equivalent of, "Acheron gets carried by her nihility teammates".This isn't a game where you can go solo like Genshin.
10:27 Robin is the best unit in the game by far and it’s not even close, she’s best in slot for essentially every single team, best for Acheron, best for follow up, best for any crit hypercarry, best for any dot team, essentially every team EXCEPT firefly (even boothill works with Robin well). Ruan Mei is a fraud and is worse than Robin in every single team except firefly, I can dm u some videos of their comparisons if you want, but Robin is just undeniably WAY better.
lol cope harder rn meta and hoyo releasing fua units thats why robin is great rn but after feixiao i dont think they will release anymore fua units probably hypercarry and break comps also for hypercarry she is not good or depend on other support unlike rm she has some flaws her energy problem and sp, in hypercarry sparkle is goat bcs the most important thing in hypercarry is sp.
@@karantej6702JL, JY, Yunli, Ratio, Blade, Acheron, Clara, Himeko, and Argenti beg to differ. You also act like HH the best hypercarry sustain does not exist
She is best but she is not easier and cheaper to use than rm. And her lc options r mostly gacha if u don't get the event lc and if ur not playing fup or ur units are not fast af then u will have some energy issues.
Using ruan mei is just press skill and wait till u have ult. Less room for error than robin
So robin is good if she has the tools to do so.
What’s with all these robin stans
@@Ilikegames804 what do you mean jl is not good with Robin bcs she gets so much atk in her base kit also she is good not bcs of buffs but ad which is not necessary.
honestly robin is better than ruan mei, and i truly believe she is the bst character in the game. i feel like over time more and more people will come to realize this especially once they pull on her upcoming rerun.
@@CaptainPlayerMan stop the Robin glazing bro rm is just miles better then Robin bcs every character in the game can use her buffs and rm doesn't have a single weakness unlike robin who has so many weakness like energy issue outside of fua comp also she isn't as sp positive as rm or sparkle and her ult can't buff hp scaling characters.
@@karantej6702 i mean i think dot and HP scalers are the only two types of units in the game that cant completely make use of all of robins buffs (outside of her fua crit damage trace). i agree rm's buffs are more universal, but i would much rather use a robin than a rm in most scenarios outside of break teams. the only reason rm is better is because break is probably the best and most f2p friendly team you can make at this stage in the game, and rm helps those teams excel. also robin's team-wide action advance will always be one of the strongest ultimates in the entire game, and even if we get a harmony unit with better numbers than rm and robin, she will still be useful purely for this ultimate.
@@karantej6702guess that makes you a Ruan mei glazer
@@karantej6702be fr rn hp scalers are irrelevant and even when rm has 2 better archetypes, robin is better everywhere else just use qpq gallagher zzz
I found a showcase where Blade cleared faster with E1 Robin than E6 Ruan Mei, so...
in my opinion fu xuan and gallagher should switch tiers
Xueyi being below Blade is really the only one I have a problem with, just because of your reasoning. Her Ult and FUA do colorless toughness damage, and while she does prefer quantum weak for her skill, she still does well into imaginary and fire weak due to the large amount of toughness Gallagher and HMC do when running the super break comp. She does require higher quality Relics due to being hybrid break instead of pure like FF and BH, but what 4 star dps doesn’t in games like this?
@@Shane_A_M Yeah honestly I've consistently seen Xueyi pop off more than Blade in the right setups. Blade just really has low multipliers and desperately needs a tailored support
To add on, blade has literally no place now, there's no endgame that demands a tank dps. should you need one somehow, yunli, and possibly even clara does a FAR better job at that anyway by having much better damage potential. Anything you can give blade right now will buff another character far more. And I'm saying this as a blade stan who saved and prefarmed for him
@@catteo2832 Plus Blade has dookie Light Cones compared to Xueyi in the context of this list since he’s not including their signatures. Blade’s low multipliers feel even worse when he doesn’t have access to his signature and huge stat sticks like Fall of an Aeon and Indelible Promise, which Xueyi does have in this context.
@@curryfishheadenjoyer Very true, at least Xueyi has a purpose as a budget Firefly that’s given out for free. Starting next patch Blade won’t even have a niche in the Wind DPS category, there is no reason to use him over anyone else (meta wise at least).
@@Shane_A_M I wouldn't quite say that, I think xueyis more like a budget/prototype Acheron with some break scaling actually. She's the first dps with type ignore in general, and she's not quite a true break dps since her FUA wants enemies to not be in the broken state. Although yes xueyi in super break is great
Jiaoqiu being that low is CRIMINAL considering he can be used very well in all 3 game modes and every team comp in game minus super break
yo you are sleeping on Xueyi, she's got a flexible ult, Asta is still really good for niche comps, same as Hanya, Qingqu is of course the wild card, I hear recently Guinaifen's been working in certain teams as well
Robin glazing is insane
March 7th(H) and Topaz should move up in the same tier to around the PF trio once Feixiao comes out. Not so sure on the March 7th but I could see her taking the spot of Gallagher as a sub-dps/support especially once her E6 comes out.
But for gods sake Topaz stocks SHOULD already put her above ratio, and will definitely make it undeniable once the next FuA team comes out. I mean come on, Topaz is to FuA like Black Swan is to DoT
Can’t wait when FUA begins to fade out/ take a step back for other teams
Tho, March (preservation) is a beast whenever Pure Fiction has the follow up beacon
Putting Firefly above Robin is just bs at this point, bro didnt cook, he burnt down the whole house
as someone with firefly but no robin i agree. ive seen someone compare firefly to ayaka and its surprisingly apt, the second hoyo decides to counter her shes going to fall off hard. all hoyo needs to do is add more weakness lock enemies like the beer gorilla and fireflys gonna shine a lot less brightly. robin on the other hand id say is like kazuha/furina, even if better characters than her come out in the future she'll still have her place.
HOLY BIAS
The disrespect for Ice March is kind of disappointing. She is so vital for newbie players to tackle one of the hardest content in the game Swarm 5/high conundrum G&G earlier than they would've, otherwise they would need to build a strong team of well built characters to even beat that content. We have seen under-geared teams consisting of March 7th, Pela, Herta, and a flex clear Swarm 5. Her being in not even worth to build when i think she should be in awkward to use tier is more suited.
Welp doesn’t really matter because she now has the MC problem and that is you can only use one path at a time and IMG Hunt Mach is actually a Tier 1~0.5 character with Feixiao’s release so there literally no reason not to use her she’s that good as both a sub DPS support or even a main DPS.
As a Huohuo fan, is quite sad seeing her falling from the meta tier, but i'm still happy that she is still generally strong.
Also, E1 really fix some of her SP issues.
Hell nah she ain't falling yet she's the best abundance so far so..
real 😭 but her buffs r still arguably better than those that aven and fx offer so😭
Huohuo only really fell because generally preventing damage > healing damage. If that changed for whatever reason, she'd be meta in a heartbeat.
Deciding to get E1 Huohuo was a tough decision for me, but after getting it I could tell I am never going to regret it. It's so good.
@@Meisbobs2cool add enemies that penetrate shields somehow and clown on the aventurine meta
I think HuoHuo's value is still the same. On par with Aventurine and Fu Xuan.
Although, characters like Acheron do have anti-synergy with her tbh
Man, I just started 2 weeks ago, and I'm in such a pickle. I haven't spend any jade yet, and planning when to spend it seems tricky. I like how cheap to play friendly the Firefly build is, but IDK when she'll come back. I'm tempted to pull on the Robin rerun, but my only premium follow up attack unit is Himeko.
If anyone has advice, please LMK! Is it feasible to build these two teams, or am I better off focusing on one?
Do you have gallagher? Also robin can be used in almost every team, not just fua. I would get a robin copy and decide from there. You cant also go wrong for ex with a copy of feixiao+robin, pair them with e2 moze (if you get him on their banner) or the free march 7th hunt + gallagher and you have a banger team
It would be good to pull for Robin if you have himeko since you can pair her with herta since you do get e6 herta for free
Robin does well even outside of fua team so imo pick robin. She synergizes really well with hunt march 7th who is free and can be slotted into any team. As for firefly since we're getting more reruns she might come back in around 2 versions
Just pull Robin and you’ll be set
Get Robin, she works in any team (and is the BiS in them too excluding break)
Raise Yunli/Ratio/Seele/JY/Gallagher, drop FX, make Robin #1 and this is good.
Boothill mentioned 🗣️🔥🔥🔥
Gallagher
I don’t think Misha should be that low.
I Honeslty think this tier list is very very good. I only have to things I would change, luka should be one tier higher and Acheron is better than firefly. Luka yes is single target and a 4 star but his vulnerability debuff plus the damage he can do is actually pretty good. I use him with my Acheron as a sub DPS it’s Jiaoqiu and Gepard or Gallagher depending on how comfy I want to play. He does a good 30-50k with his ult if debuff and stuff is applied and does 18k on average with enhanced basic especially when breaking, not to well built either. Him being nihility is an extra for my Acheron. And then I think Acheron just does more damage than firefly in general and is much easier to use. I mean that may be bias but that’s my opinion
If it's E0S0, Acheron should be below Boothill. No questions asked
@@HSRFirefly My Acheron is E0S0 and does more damage then my boothill at E0S0, both with optimal teams and very even relics... I love them both and they are my strongest DPS my Acheron can do like 300-400k while my boothill does 200-300k which is still very commandable
@@gardevoirmaster5743You’re forgetting that Boothill’s 200k is every basic attack, which he can do a lot since he’s already fast and runs with action advancing teammates. Acheron has bigger bursts of damage than anyone else, but even in her best case scenarios she can’t ult even close to as often as Boothill can enhanced basic or Firefly can enhanced skill. I still think Acheron is overall better than Boothill, but it isn’t because “her number bigger”, it’s because she can crush any content no matter how many enemies there are.
@@Limrick1029 I see what you mean. I do agree boothill does do more damage more frequent at the higher damage but to do that damage he has to break the enemy or have the enemy already broken. So once the enemy is broken he can do more frequent high damage then Acheron but you have to get the enemy broken before the insane damage plus he is only single target unlike Acheron who can hit everyone on field and can produce higher damage at yes a slower rate especially depending on your nihility character which is another drawback but there’s less to rely on then boothill. I call it BrainDead Gaming (Acheron)
March is pretty much needed in a lot of cases for remembrance runs, since her ult can freeze
My personal opinion is that people who aren't TCs or 0-Cyclers shouldn't give out their dogshit pesudo-meta casual takes and mislead people
I have a lot of hot takes, mostly characters being strong is mostly (for dps’s) entirely based on the enemy line-up.
Firefly is overpowered, but without Harmony MC she has good 4* damage. (So as of right now she is tied to one/two characters) I would play this up, except the character she is tied to is free so I can’t say that she is weaker then people think. (Actually with how good Ruan Mei is and everyone having her Firefly is one of the easiest dps to pull and play.) very evident weakness in team building, that somehow isn’t an issue.
Now with…(I won’t even try to spell her name) with are fox lady battery, I would drop her a tier, her strength on the earlier stages of the game is biblical, but with this game going into dual dps hard and fast has of now, she is way less valuable (in today “meta”… I just said meta…yuck)
Anyways, I think asta should be up a tier because of dual dps being strong right now, (still weaker then fox lady.
I not put my opinions here to slight the tier list in anyway. After all different people find different things strong, and that’s what makes a game with so many options fun.
Oh one last note, Boothill is hard to place, because holy fricken hell that guy is a beast, but you can’t take him into every fight, even with his implant. So it’s hard to “ judge him”
bro putting fu above fu is crazy like she is not even close to be on aventurine lvl even gallagher is better than her ppl glazing female characters like that are crazy accpet that she is not good anymore you just hate male characters that much
You should do a tierlist like this with the 4 (and maybe 5) star lightcones in the game, i feel like their viability is really interesting
playing a dangerous game there.
Robin is definitely the best character in the game, the only team she loses to Ruan Mei on is Firefly. Sure, Firefly is top tier, but so are Yunli, Acheron, IPC team, and to a lesser extent DoT. Even the less meta teams prefer Robin to Ruan Mei, the full team action advance is quite simply the strongest ability in HSR, it overshadows every other Harmony unit’s entire kit. I think top three is Robin at 1, Ruan Mei at 2, then Firefly at 3.
Firefly is not above acharon , even before jiaoqiu came out , let alone now , try an element locked enemy
Or pure fiction in which acharon also excells at
Acharon is very usable in apocalyptic shadow which is firefly best mode
Firefly can't be used viably in pf , acharon is one of the best
In moc acharon can clear a field with one hit and her ult comes back very quickly
Ruan Mei, Robin, Harmony MC, Firefly, Acheron. Firefly without Harmony MC is just abysmal
Dhil's placement is alright but hes definitely above yunli when he got sparkle.
Fu xuan above aventurine oh that’s not…
I wouldn't put boot hill above yunli
I think wind dan heng deserves to at least move up a tier due to how well he works with the new pioneer set, based on personal experience with e0s0 supports i could still make him hit for 400k with relics that are okay at best without having limited 5 star lcs like seeles lc on him
I mean, there is a reason on why almost half the comments that I see are aventurine-fu xuan related, is just a personal bias of yourself, 12% crit rate is not that much
Outside of that, pretty good video, keep up king
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"Sushang is at the top due to her Superbreak niche" yet Luka's position not only remains the same as in the previous video, you haven't even mentioned Luka's superbreak/ break capabilities. Luka's position was only explained by you with "He is single target" and that's it? 😭😭
Ngl hook should be above yanking
Finally! I'm excited when Feixiao comes out, where do you think you'll put her?
My guess is Generally very strong. 🤷♂️
@@mattcrane746 nah, the meta. At least at the bottom
-Fu Xuan is only for crit rate and Crowd Control debuffs 1 time.
It's pink
It's waifu.
if the fight goes long you lose
aoe and you lose
-Aventurine shields can be accumulated
shields resist decently against only 1 ally and giv (50% Effect RES) 30 % free crit dmg with broken kell
perfect for aoe
apply debuffs
if the fight goes long no problem
fua
he's a man
not waifu
Winner: Fu Xuan
A W tier list that I really agree with, what’s your opinion about feixiao and lingsha?
For me, both of them are in the meta. At least at the bottom of it
Hot take: Boothill lost is spot in the meta when Firefly came out. Whenever there is a break related fight people use Firefly
imo dan heng and jingliu move down, silver wolf move up
also i wanna know what would sw's placement be if firefly/boot couldnt implant?
I’m expecting that break dps will always have implant or else they’ll do absolutely nothing if not in their element. Plus since their dmg window is kinda small they’ll always have delays, break efficiency or speed manipulation in their kit. Fundamentally making them broken or not depending on how you look at it .
I think sw is there because she only really works in forgotten hall now, she’s single target and which is useless in pure fiction and in apocalyptic shadow u pretty much will always have all the weaknesses u need anyway
@@voldendk2 so sw is garbage
The meta is basically acheron e2 and ff e2, those 2 are literally broken tier.
Your own personal opinion is wrong.
My opinion is the correct one
Omega kekw
Great vid mate.
if I already have e0s1 bronya, how much weaker is she than sparkle. Both for general use and in the case of a hypercarry like feixiao or acheron.
Welp that’s the thing she is better then Sparkle ( With E1 mainly ) but nonetheless with JQs release Robin is better then Sparkle in the Acheron team and for Feixiao Broyna is an amazing support and is used in 0 cycle clears in the beta.
Tbh depends from team, in some teams sparkle better in other bronya
@@The_CodFish69 so sparkle is really only a clear better in dhil team i assume? given the set conditions at least?
@@Turbanator_3 currently beside being comfortable to run she only has 3 teams currently and they are DHIL, Mono Q and Acheron.
Now 2 of the 3 are no longer meta and without Eid investment they are actually somewhat bad, now for Acheron she’s an amazing combo however with JQs release Robins have surpassed her on the team.
So TLDR currently Sparkle has 0 meta lvl teams being BIS without Eid investment.
guys i wanna spend money on honkai star rail to get a good dps should i pull kafka next patch or wait? cuz rn i have himeko clara sparkle and dr ratio idk if sparkle is good with kafka since shes made for DoT teams any advice??
If you wanna get Kafka, you might have to get Blackswan too since both of them is like a package deal ngl
Also Sparkle doesn't work with DoT, so if you're gonna spend money, get Robin, BS, and Kafka (Robin is the BiS support for DoT as of now)
@@MiIkywayCookie ohh kk ty but would another dps like acheron work with sparkle?
Also keep it mind this is Kafka's 2nd rerun and it might be an extremely long time for her next. It is only Robin and Bs 1st rerun so more than likely it wont be as long until they rerun again.
@@miaurfav13 Sparkle works for Acheron if your Acheron is E2, Sparkle works with any crit DPS or any skill points hungry team in general
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I agree with everything but Sparkle really she’s been getting less relevant as time goses on and even Broyna and Tingyun are getting more use.
Yunli is to high on this list sure she clears all 3 modes as a carry but that doesn't make her top tier + people don't even user versatility properly there's way better single targets than yunli
if she is versatile, doesnt it make her top tier?
so what if higher st when u can easily clear everything alr??
Bronya is better than sparkle, bronya outperforms her in some teams in other teams sparkle gets replaced with robin
this tier list is so wrong…saying that ANY sustain is good is a crime
In my experience. robin is better than ruan mei
yewww will always be popular ruan mei! 🫶🏼