Lots of Affixes Removed, "Positive" Affixes Added And More! The War Within Feedback
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- We go over the blogpost today that details upcoming change to dungeons Heroic and higher in the War Within, including new affixes!
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So basically DH is meta every week.
Once again exlcuding classes/specs based on these new passive affixes.
Fortified, attuned, bolstering : 30% + 20% + 20n% increased damage ... that will be fun :)
Huh... if heroic and m0 dungeons will be on seasonal rotation rather than always being available, that will make doing dungeon hero fucking annoying.
I want a Xal'atath affix. She ghosts around constantly taunting you to rage quit and if you're too slow she starts to Leeroy Jenkins all the trash and extra trash...timer get progressively faster.
I’d love it if this affix can empower the mobs with void abilities if you’re clearing the key extremely fast; almost like she’s challenging you and pushing the mortals to their limits 😂
She needs correction
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Affixes are just Blizzards way to prove they hate healers. I am happy I don't have to choose whether I clear afflicted or whatever current DOT of death is on a player any more but a Fortified + Reckless + Bolstering with a tank that thinks he's still in DF sounds like crap. Might have roll on my Druid this expansion for Shadow Meld.
Good luck y'all finding groups 3 weeks of the month.
Does the additional damage from these affixes matter? No
Will only people be invited who do more damage because it's their affix this week? 100%
I cannot fathom why they'd do this to affixes. Knowing how players exclude everything but the absolute highest meta compositions means that pugging M+ is going to be even worse than it already is. As a warrior who does exclusively pug M+ it can take anywhere from 10-40 minutes for me of spam applying to groups to get in. Now I imagine that I'll only have a chance to get in at all on attuned weeks unless I look for a very long time or form my own key. I get what they're trying to do but I think they give the M+ community too much credit as it stands currently.
I agree 100%. This game should not be tuned to the top 100% e sport players. There are far more casual players. I love the positive affix direction. If nothing else, it’s refreshing. I care more about what the casual base thinks than the end game content creators.
my "porblem" with m+ will ALWAYS be stress.
i dont WANT to sprint through a dungeon so i can be accepted into anything higher then a normal Raid.
i like heroic raiding but people literally expect you to farm 1 raid but 10m+per week. i want to raid not be be a dungeon player.
it feels forced, time stressed and everyone is angry instead of having a good time.
so i LOVE that they changed heroic to be m+ low level. i LOVE LOVE LOVE it.
have fun rushing your m+10 now - i can still play heroic raids and mythic (no timer, no bullsht) dungeons
These look extremely cancerous, ngl. Imagime being something like a Warrior durimg weeks when there is Arcane damage debuff
i taste the needless gatekeeping already
30% armor reduction isn’t enough?
Booo, or think about how a certain class could shine in that moment?
@@KanWest-mv6dr Sounds lazy instead of actually making an attempt at balance
Nah, I don't like the idea that some classes will end up being the "must brings" of the week and everyone else will be seen as sub-optimal/dead weight. You can say "it's only 10%" but that's not how sweaty retail players think, and I'd wager that's not how the majority of people doing M+, in general, think. Has Blizzard _ever_ used the dungeon queue in retail? Everyone focuses on whatever the meta comps are. Sure, running with guildies is going to be the best way to get around that, but the reality of modern wow is that almost everyone does content on their own time using solo queues, which means dungeon finder, which means you better be playing the 'correct' class. Cute idea on paper, dumb idea in practice.
Can we please ditch the term “casual” it does nothing but cause confusion and strife in the community imo 😭 or at least we need to be more specific because there are several player types that call themselves casual
The affixes sound really interesting, I like that they are trying their own take on a sentiment that players have had for a while now. I’ve always had the worry that adding “just stand in the fire and you’ll be better damage” wouldn’t be great for how people treat mechanics in the long run.
I will say, 2 shadowlands dungeons seems like… a mistake. I really hope it doesn’t sour the whole season.
ditching the term Casual will just find them something more demeaning to call us.
What happend to bring the player not the class?
Re M+ affixes: They were SOO close, but just missed it...
Tyrannical and fortified should be replaced with the removed "seasonal affix" concept, and the required scores for the milestones adjusted to match the lower number of points available by not having separate weeks (or raising teh points of the dungeon.. same end result, different method)
You just run M0, you don´t care anyway. But everyone that takes part in M+ gets to experience whatever is "special" that season.
Then add the recurring passives at +4. i really like those, every week will be a different meta, so that should help some people that play their spec "how they want" to get into keys because every 4 weeks they´re the meta.
And IMO the 3rd affix @ 7 is OK, though OFC I would have liked to see it stay a +10s thing because I´m lazy. But if oyu want heroic gear to drop and have the crests to upgrade it to the mythic appearance, i do kind of agree that the least you should be doing is running with all affixes enabled.
Just for teh record, i despise M+ on so many levels it´s not even funny, but I do like the way the system works currently and for the first time in a long time have no problem with it quasi-replacing what used to be the daily heroic back in the day.
And the daily lockout for m0 is going to be a godsend for more casual players, gearing alts, and week 1 pre-raid gearing for us tryhards.... No more bricking your lockout for a week because the tank overestimated his skill, and for those that easily clear them (Alts and tryhards) 8 dungeons a day to get raid-level gear and crests from.
If this system were in today as suggested, I might not be playing nearly as much remix... 🍻
Hi, Casual here
Keystonemaster is not casual
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Most people can get it on the second week so i highly disagree. Keystone hero is not casual.
trust me it is. you can do 3 a week. I paid gold for the runs and then understood i could do it. Its not that hard and you could do one a day
The problem really is that there is not one definition of a “casual” player. Self identified casual players could be anything from the person who focuses on outdoor content, mount farming, and other solo content or someone who feels like that invest a relatively low amount of time into the game but that time is spent on group content goals. And these 2 types of players are VERY different with different needs, basically to the point where it feels like we are playing different games despite both identifying as WoW casuals.
keystone master may not seem casual to you(heck I agree, I can’t even get up to half the score needed rip lol) but to others just hitting ksm might be very casual compared to what they typically do.
Honestly I wish wow content creators would stop using the term “casual player” or at least talk more specifically as to which audience they mean.
KSM is very obtainable, you can get by with just doing 4s to get it if you're trying to scrape for it, it's absolutely the most casual it's ever been.
I agree, ksm is midcore.
Ffs why do i play healer
now its not like before that you cant pug during tyrannical/fortified with certain classes and skip those weeks. now pugs dont take you with them for 5 or so weeks until your positive affix returns :D
I can't believe they chose some of the most hated, and toxic dungeons for S1 of War within
Really? bnecrotic wake?!? Good god....
Grim? mists of confusion and people avoid the place?
really?!?! siege?!?!?!?!
I will NEVER try it. The learning curve for that place is really high.
No way. I will avoid every key that isn't just the war within ones.
well im not going to participate in mythic plus so this would not apply to me.. lol..im doing delves as my mian end game content instead where I realy on myself to climb my latter the highest I want to go is to gear maybe heroic but im ok with champion gear too.
So bascially tanks are banged raw, no lube. I like that I got 5% less magic damage as protection warrior tho.
I hope that Heroic Q's will add the rewards from M+ pools, like the shield from Odyn.
Oh boy affixes. Why have it be about the dungeons when you can have affixes lazily tacked on that take over how the dungeon feels.
But don't woory, there "positive" change is making sure you have to jump around specs or not get invited some weeks :O Needlessly over done and just kind of stupid.
Make bursting just effect one person.
The fact the affix forces you to slow down (in a timed dungeon) because only 2 classes have a group wide 3m dispel cooldown is beyond bad game design.
Get rid of it.
They never learn. This final season would be a great fun start to something great, but why bother. They basicly undone all they changed, created more complicated shit and kept the crap slow down affixes... This shit devs love to create systems over systems that they fail balancing every damn expansion, this is more of the same crap they feed us with every expansion, im now waiting for the next moronic player power system.
Affixes are a waste of time on both ends. We will just figure out a way to out DPS the mechanics. For example dark animus in mop remix stack in the corner and use lifestorm instead of wasting time killing mobs.
Nope, still don't like dungeons and all that stuff. I like how you break it all down in easy pieces, and I have watched you in dungeons. You and your group are unique. There is no one yelling that you are too slow and that the run that started 10 minutes ago should have been finished 5 minutes ago. I know that perky pugs are out there, but I will just continue to skip.
What makes mythic raid difficult is mechanics. So why not make affixes as mechanics, not stupid damage increases/armor reductions
Not a fan of the Heroic changes having seasonal dungeons / not being queueable till season 1. That is some straight BS imo.
Yea those are not positive at all
100% bonkers affixes wtf lol
uff, why these affixes , just get rid of them ffs !! so we can focus on the dungeon trash and bosses !!
that's what Heroic is.
@@UltimateGamerCC **eye roll**
@@OhNoTheFace sorry, but it's true. the timer on it's own isnt enough to make M+ challenging enough to meet with Raiding difficulty. now sure, they could remove the affixes entirely, but that means that you stop getting Raid quality gear as well. Blizzard will always stand on giving better gear for doing harder content.
F tier affixes, after working on M+ for years why would you think this was a good idea to add
new affixes are a terrible idea - more reasons to not be invited on your chosen class....
Anyone experiencing lag on realms....4000ms T_t
I have a question about the S4 change that I just don't understand. They want more people to play M+ and help players "ease" into the game mode, but then take away +2-+9 difficulty levels. I just don't get that. You go from 0 level to +10s. How is that easing into it??? I was hoping they would go back to the s3 and before style of +2 and up. I could not care less about the timer either way. Every season I would start at +2s and work my way to KSM and now it's +10s and then up. You don't even learn the new mechanics in heroic...you jump straight to new mechanics hitting like a truck. Am I just missing something?
I'd argue that yes, you're missing just a bit of context. It's easy to miss but max upgraded adventurer gear from heroics is what gets you into that mythic, or plus 10 from season 3 gear.
Guess I'm also saying that we should stop referring to the old season as a comparison cause it sort of misleads the topic.
Would literally take any affix over sanguine
Blizzard completely screwed it up on so many levels. like, how are they gonna balance specs around it?
Havoc thanks to its chaos dmg will quadruple dip from it every week. So either they will be gods in m+, or they will be garbage in raids
Assassination rouges will double dip on Attuned weeks, since most of their dmg is bleeds and nature (poisons)
Tanks will come out as the biggest losers, they will suffer the most from these affixes (losing thousands of armor on a certain week ain't cool, like, literally we're back to Necrotic affix)
and plz, why keep Sanguine and Bolstering??????
That social problem won't exist if you remove affixes and let infinite scaling take care of M+ like Greater Rifts in Diablo 3.
This does change the interrupt priority each week. Some things that are tough one week, may not need it as much the next week and something else would need to be interrupted instead. Maybe.
Aligning the roster of Heroic Dungeons with the roster of Mythic+ Dungeons make sense if the intention of Heroic Dungeons is to practice and prepare for the Mythic+ versions of the same Dungeons.
My desire to do M+ in TWW is not lessened, but now it is a tad more vexing. Yay guild groups?!
These affixes honestly killed all my hype for tww
Soul,
As a fellow KSM level player thats not casual sir. On yoru other thoughts:
- I don't care so much about reducing the cooldown on 0s. 0s are really only useful to learn instances, pathing, pull patterns for a KSM player, you want to get out of them as quickly as you can. Doesn't help KSM players.
- Absolutely yuck on Mists coming back, always hated that place. And I don't remember Grim Batol at all.
- Yuck on level 7 affixes. But it is what it is. It's a fair trade for mythic gear, it was too easy this season.
_ Positive effects? I'm pretty interested in that. I don't think it's amazing as it's laid out, but I'm willing to see what happens. However there are weeks you will get squeezed out in favor of what class is hitting harder that week. But no matter how good or bad it will be I'll take them to get rid of the current mid affixes. But I do think a kiss/curse style affix would be nice.
- I don't mind having to get to +9 for Aspect crests and Mythic gear with the change in Affixes. It sounds, at least on paper, to be less daunting.
Grim Batol it was the first dungeon where you hopped on a dragon and did a bombing run to clear the way.
It's going to change how we clear dungeons for sure. But I think people are overreacting. The affixes don't apply to every mob and maybe instead of massive trash pulls we just clear smaller packs. As long as we survive and time the key does it really matter?
It's funny you think that min maxing will not limit most classes from coming most weeks
@@OhNoTheFace More likely the meta comp won't change each week and will remain the same for the entirety of the season
wait, they're changing this again? or are they just restating what they've already done?
some things remaining unchanged, but there is some changes, evidently M+ was too casual.
Mages are already picked in every M+ group ever, let's add two additional weeks where arcane or fire do more damage, that's sounds like a great idea
As a Fire Mage main......I'm ok with this
@@ThatOneGuy15270 As a Frost Mage main.... I also am ok with this.
Heroic dung are m0!!! Bro you keep not mentioning that in your videos.... this is why it's limited the way it is. Heroic dung is not just a normal Heroic like every other expac.... in your last video you spoke on heroics like it's some massive nerf that you can't que or spam them.... it's a m0 so it's normal like every other expac since mythic 5mans where introduced
Maybe we're not on the same page. Heroics give rewards equal to m0. M0 gives rewards equivalent to normal raids, but Heroic dungeons aren't literally m0. Trying to shorthand without giving all the information will just confuse people.
@SoulSoBreezy I will say at least I'm DF s4, they are about same difficulty as m0. Dunno if that is still true
@SoulSoBreezy sure but comparing them to just normal 5man heroics like every other expac is not fair either as the difficulty is NOT any where near a normal pre s4 df heroic 5man. So I agree we aren't on same page lol
@@landofsyn2980 Soul is right you know.
no no No NO NO NO NO NO No NO NO.
FUCK NO.
All these affixes heavily favors range classes, and historically, range has dominant in M+, they are basically giving middle finger to melee classes, like holy shit. Most of melee damage profile is PHYSICAL, only melee class that might benefit from these at the same level as range classes are Ret and DH, Two class that are already considered S-tier in M+. Warriors, Monks, Rouges, Hunters, Feral are just fucked. This feels so unfair, it's ridiculous.
Yeah, I think people are going to hate this. If im ret and I cant get invited to a grp 2 or 3 weeks of a month its gonna feel awful.
Ret doesn't really get invited anyway unless high gear / rio
I'm thinking about switching my main from my ret paladin to my DH or monk now. I wanted to try pushing M+ this expansion on one character, and honestly, my paladin can live in delves instead if pain is all that awaits me using her.
The change of adding the season dungeons to heroic is great. Every season in Dragonflight was a bit stressful running M+ as a newer player. Most of the time groups don’t mind, but every so often there would be one toxic guy if I made a wrong turn or pulled a mob not needed.
For anyone who couldn’t guess, this is when playing tank.
Seems kinda trash to have DPS increases.
I actually liked the CC / heal the add affixes. It made me feel really skillful to save a pull by doing my job well while also doing mechanics.
Physical damage increase, holy damage increase... so half of the keys. Some niche fire abilities as well
@@poshment5435 my bad, didn't see the Holy one. It seems like some classes such as Rogue and Feral will get a bonus on nearly all of them compared though
Uh.. Holy? Like, all their damage is literally holy magic.
@@gothnate I didn't catch that one the first time (I was in a different room doing something with Bluetooth earbuds)