Our 200 was an absolute monster on the sand. Drop the tyre pressure, turn all the traction control etc off, use the auto in manual mode and drive in 4H. To easy. Never got bogged ever
It would seem you didn’t watch the video as I explain why people are wrong when they say that they are terrible on the beach, specifically targeting the ‘too heavy’ mantra which is not true, they feel too heavy when the 4wd system is not correctly setup.
@@JebbreysJibberish but they are heavy? No matter how they feel it will always be at a disadvantage. Now I don't think heavy rigs are "shit" on sand but for most people a 3t car on sand is just too much to get around, I'm interested have you ever owned a very light 4wd such as a jimney or xj cherokee? Also when you say about 10psi you really should let people know the relationship between tyre pressure and speed when turning etc ecspecially for lc200 owners, as we all know most of them aren't owned by avid wheelers. Just my two cents. Very well presented vid and I know the d40 traction doesn't doesn't off fully either, was the only thing I didn't like about it but it did open my eyes up to the uses of traction control and the changes to driving style needed, a few times it really did make the difference. Safe wheeling man keep it up and I love your bit at the end about beach driving etiquette, us young lads can get a bit excited and regular chips help.
Center diff lock does NOT make all 4 wheels work together (for that you need to be triple locked)....It simply makes sure power is evenly split, 50/50, between front and rear axles....Thanks for the video, this is definitely a help!
It doesn't split it 50/50, the centre diff already gives 50/50. The centre diff lock, locks both the front and rear diff together so that you always have drive to both diffs. Like a normal diff if you don't have the centre diff lock, locked, the centre diff can open diff and will only provide drive to either the front or rear (if one has less resistance) and that diff can also open diff allowing only one wheel (the one with the least resistance) out of 4 to be spinning.
@@Chris-xb2ei My 2008 Prado has a Torsen center diff and in 4 Hi it transfers 60% to the rear and 40% to the front. If I put it into 4 Hi Lock or 4-Low, the center Torsen differential locks and delivers 50% front and 50% rear. However the 200 LC does not have a Torsen center diff. When in 4 Hi it splits the drive to both front and rear axles to varying degrees depending on the terrain or road conditions. When you press the center Diff lock button, it sends 50% power to both front and rear axles. From there, it is up to traction control to apply the brakes to each unloaded wheel that spins, and thereby transferring the drive to the wheel that is not spinning on that axle. Unless you have locking front and/or rear differentials, which were an option on the 200. It was also available with crawl control which is a very advanced version of the ABS and traction control systems to literally crawl over objects.
@@mikearend997 a differential can only split power 50/50 provided resistance on both sides is the same. You can't have a diff that provides 60/40. Braking is a different story but drive from the centre diff is split evenly if both sides have sufficient resistance/traction.
@@Chris-xb2ei Hi Chris, a torsen center diff allows for that. So when I'm in 4Hi the torsen gears are split and can send power in two directions at different speeds. Torsens are also used in rear end diffs and this is what they do when going around a corner. Within my transfer case (center diff) is gearing that allows to spin the front drive axle at a different speed than the rear drive axle. I can also put my transfer case into 4Hi-Lock which now locks the torsen gearset so both axles turn at the same speed. Here is how a torsen works: ruclips.net/video/JEiSTzK-A2A/видео.htmlsi=rp4s7PbGRYK19etw It's ingeneous! No clutches to burn out etc. just a bit of a weight penalty. When I put my Prado into 4 Low-lock the torsen engages another sun gear that lowers the gear ratio to allow for crawl speeds and locks both drive axles together so they both turn at the same speed.
Good video mate. I pulled a 200 off a beach a while back with my 79. The blokes had their 200 bogged, boat stranded and trailer unhitched, all separate on the beach. Lord knows how they got in that situation. I asked the bloke if he had his diff lock engaged, he couldn't tell me. I always suspected operator error.
@@fatchunk3678 this video is for people like you who bash cars with literally no idea. My most unreliable car has actually been a Toyota e.g. 4 x breakdowns requiring tow trucks whilst my land rover 0 x tows and yet owned much longer. Last car i saw broken down was a Prado with dead fuel pump. Do i think they are lemons? Nope, its all about maintenance, wear and tear plus luck.
This caught me out too in my 200 when I first got it. I’m old school so the technology can be a bit daunting. Get use to it though and it’s absolutely brilliant when used in the right conditions. Great vid mate and thanks for sharing. That’s what it’s all about in the end no matter what you drive 👍
Great video! Although thru most of it I was yelling at the TV with the stuff you concluded with, whilst thinking I'm gonna give this bloke what for in the comments section. But you cunningly came thru at the end! Good job!
Very good advice all round, thanks for the video, I don’t on the beach that often in my LC200 so I probably need to tattoo those instructions on the back of my hand to remember 👍🇦🇺
Great info, the 200 series has plenty of torque, that's what you need for towing in sand. although a solid axle 4x4 like a Patrol will be better off road than a IFS vehicle like a 200 series.
Well that depends on the type of sand, if it’s rutted out and you need flex to keep your traction up then, yeah the solid axle wins. But if the beach is flat (often are) then the clearance on the IFS with the diff tucked up is actually an advantage.
I got told by a sand duner, petrol is better for sand because diesel has a higher torque and that's the reason diesel will always get bogged down. You guys can correct me if I'm wrong. Ok after watching the full video, thanks for all the advice and tips.
I’ve had two GUs and I think they are better in some ways. Every way is a bit of a stretch though. The 200 doesn’t have a factory fitted pull to the left, death wobbles, a steering wheel that is to the left of the actual driver seat, a back door that cracks, rear spring tower chassis mounts that crack, a horrible ZD30 Renault van motor or an overheating kettle or gas guzzling petrol motor. I’ve had them all so it’s fair to say that stepping out of the 200 after 8 hours of driving is way better than stepping out of a GU. Horses for courses, both have weak point and both have good points.
Great video mate You could hear the ol girl being held back in the sand on your first demo Once the nanny control was off fully she roared like the tiger she is! It’s amazing how many people are scared to let the damn tyres down In the old days you just had to do it I’ve even taken 2WD vehicles far further than I expected with the tyres down Cheers
200 series is way too heavy, independent suspension, ground clearance not great. Find it hard to believe that they are better than a GU on sand, perhaps much better than a standard GU yes
I’ve had two modified GU’s diesel and petrol and the 200 eats both of them on the beach. And doesn’t really weigh much difference once modified to my GU’s. Power to weight and especially torque in 200 is off the scale compared to my old GU’s.
I wouldn’t recommend to anyone that if in doubt on the beach, lower your pressures to 10 PSI. Start at 18 PSI and if you feel it’s bogging down, then go lower. If you go too low first and then you get stuck you have know where to go. Also same with low range, this should be used when it’s getting tough or slow manoeuvres. That’s crazy to jump to low first just because it’s sand, regardless if it’s an auto or not.
There are two sides to this argument, I disagree with this sentiment. It is infinitely harder to get out of a bog than it is to avoid the bog altogether. From my experience 10psi and low range will avoid the bog in most circumstances and reduce wear and tear on your vehicle and avoid overheating engines and gearboxes. It will also give you more control and damage the tracks less. Not shifting to low is not going to offer you any advantages if you get bogged as if you are bogged you’ll probably want second gear low anyway. Low range in an automatic puts a lot less stress on your torque converter and allows the shifts to be closer together in ratio. This is not a tool for getting you out of a bog it’s a tool for driving correctly in circumstances that it was designed to be used in. Tyre pressures vary widely but if the beach is boggy or you are not familiar with it, the lower the better. Get stuck and lowering tyre pressure is not an automatic out, have the correct tyre pressures in the first place means you don’t get stuck in the first place.
The over heating issues is a poor design by LC; hence the need for a lock up kit. Most other 4wds don’t have this problem; and to my point towing in a stock LC is a joke without a lock up kit. Appalling in design and such a weakness. Low range for me and I know my group of mates is just for that instance torque and tricky terrain. If you need to run in low on a beach as standard, something is not right in my mind.
I have a torque converter lock up kit in my 200, put in the low speed setting, center diff lock on, high range 4wd, and it eats everything while not revving above 2000rpm all day long. Havent been stuck in sand yet, and all temps stay nice and cool!!!. Go the 200s' 😁
@@cjtickner15 the torque converter lock up kits are about $600, plus install maybe another $200 or so. Well worth it after a year or 2 of driving itll pay for itself in less fuel and less maintenance on the trans etc. Theres a few brands of kits around. We do fraser island a bit and driving there with low speed lock up, center diff lock on and in high range we drive all over up to 80kph and dont do more than 2000rpm the whole week. Uses about 140l of fuel for 6 days of driving around. Happy days
Even the best offroad traction control in the buisness is anoying in sand. We have a RR sport and in sand mode it allows enough wheelspin to do a hard uturn but not enough to do a 360.
@@Countrysideboy247 both standard on the same tyres. I Think its hard to beat the Range Rover. Though the 200 is probably better riding on rough surfaces.
Sean Saal you need to turn DSC off. Do you do that? The RR Sport is the same as the Discovery 3 or 4, and its a common mistake to forget to turn DSC off, or even to not know that it needs to be turned off. Sand mode on the Land Rover models is meant to be minimum intervention to allow speed & wheel spin.
Noel so far I haven't had to turn it off, im aware I can but haven't been in such a situation where sand mode is causing me more trouble than good yet......
Very helpful, I'm about to start a half lap with alot of beach and sand driving in WA. Our 2020 MUX did it easy last year but a bigger van saw us upgrade to a 2015 GX 👍
Excellent information. Never knew about having to hold that button in to turn off traction control completely. But question is: Why have a button to turn off traction control that doesn’t actually turn it off when pressed briefly?
@@lachlan5976 Yeah baby... but just so everyone knows, the manual comes in 2 volumes, is way more than 1000 pages long, and is mind-numbingly annoying by repeating everything it tells you time and again - but you can't skip any of it, because it's all different wording (to say the same thing) and sometimes it adds a new thing in there, which you'll miss if you skip what you think you already read (99% of which you did)...
Your first mistake driving and doing a u turn on the beach is you drive up to the high side of the beach and turn down towards the water. If your going to criticise 200 series landcruisers learn how to drive first. Always engage low range when driving through soft sand.
Well known, that patrol better than diesel engine in sand. Like your report specially on tips of using your switches which are essential on those moment. Know your car applity before going into any new area
You can't have a Patrol engine in a Toyota... You mean a gasoline engine? Diesels work harder for longer...and work well in sand...if you know how to prepare the vehicle for driving in sand. Mental preparation of the driver helps, too.
@@JohnSmith-yv6eq My old Landcruiser patrol engine much much better in desert sand than my friend Landcruiser with diesel engine. This is out of experience from many years in Saudi
One of those buttons is for swerve control, not Traction Control.In the old Disco 4,couldnt turn off traction control, no issues at all in the soft sand.Had to have swerve control off, same as 200,or getting stuck was 100% guaranteed.
Hearing that diesel lope coming from a land cruiser on a bright sunny beach, makes me question whether or not I, and American, have actually experienced true freedom. 😕🤔
Simple and Useful! Thanks for sharing ♥️. With Trac cntrl fully off, 4H gear should be good enough for sand driving, with little need for engaging the diff loc or shifting to 4L. We too experience loads of desert driving here in Dubai where LC is very popular. 🤘🏼
Yes but high range in soft sand is a quick way to overheat your gearbox. That’s why you go low if you can. Always lock the centre diff if doing low traction stuff, that’s what it’s there for it won’t cause any harm.
You’d be surprised how low you can go without popping the tyre off the rim. It also depends on the weigh of the vehicle, the brand and construction of the tyre and most importantly how you drive it. But I climbed a steep sand dune in the south west of WA many years ago with my Toyota surf fully loaded at 5psi. It was the only way to get out at that time. You certainly wouldn’t want to me doing donuts in the sand at those pressures but for short stints if you have to you can generally get away with it.
We came across a guy in a new Prado a couple of weeks ago in the dunes, he was bogged good and proper and wifey was mad. We had a horrible time trying to recover him, it just kept getting stuck. Had I have watched this video before that maybe we could have got him out much easier 😂😂
Trac con off in my diesel astra goes much harder and can go through slipping mud no worries but when tc on cant even move all you can hear is shit clicking off electronic and clunker noise in driveline and throttle drops off ,i know its not 4wd but works on same principal as all cars or 4wd with trac control, this why they now use fly by wire throttle instead of cables
Good video. I'm not familiar with these 200 series, but been eyeballing few of them lately and obviously more info I can get about them, easier it'll be to make decision to buy one. This was one of those good tips and certainly seems to be capable in sand when done properly 👍 I currently own 5.7 hemi Jeep Grand Cherokee WK and while it has damn fine system (Quadra Drive 2) I'm considering switching to diesel and Toyota at some point. 200 series seems to be like a nice option.
I came up with the name: *200 series sand anchor* I have tb48 5speed auto gu series 4...nissan said why change something if its not broken...still in production for middle east to this day 2021 y61 super safari with tb48de now that's saying something about y61 4.8
The 60 is probably the only cruiser I am willing to pay the cruiser tax for because by God they're sexy, you're a lucky man. Would probably wanna whack one on an 80 chassis though. Although I don't ever see me getting a car that big anymore, my little xj is heaps easier offroad at 1.5t and if I need to tow I'll get a dual cab again but maybe just maybe I'll become a real man one day, I mean own a cruiser.
nice to see. my wife got my ford suck in mud in 4low with diff lock on, and i tried everything in 4 low as it takes off traction control to get unstuck so i put it in 4H with traction control on with diff lock on put my foot flat down ready to kill the car lol and after about 5-10 seconds with my foot flat all the wheels started to turn and stated to get traction it was cuting out the engine but i think it was taking time for the traction control to really work properly maybe i was lucky, but in 4L it did not want to know anything (2018 3.2 Auto)
In low range Vehicle Stability Control is turned off, which is the first icon you see come up on the dash, but traction control is still on. As shown you have to hold the button down to turn traction control off. A lot of people think the first icon is traction control. Vehicle Stability Control is to help control the car on the road in a skid situation.
A step beyond this will make a VERY VERY HUGE difference in petrol v8 where the peak power is high on the rpm. Use the manual gear selector and choose the lowest gear possible (I found 2nd low to be nice), you want it to almost be on the rev limiter, even hitting it occasionally. If it's just riding the rev limiter then shift it higher, but you want it to always be on the high rpm. A problem with the auto is that it will shift up prematurely and make you lose all momentum.
Thankfully the diesel has the torque where you want it so you don’t need to rev the balls off it. But 2nd low is always a good choice when things get gnarly. You could also use the 2nd switch to stop it changing into first and bogging you down.
@@JebbreysJibberish The diesel is nice that is has power in all the rpm range, but in sand what you want is horsepower. The petrol v8 has more hp if you keep the rpm high where it makes most of it's power then it performs great, but if the transmission shifts to a higher gear and the rpm drops then you are stuffed because the petrol v8 is not so powerful at low rpm.
At least it still has a solid rear axle unlike the Y62. Important so you don’t scrub your rears out when towing. I’ve only 17’s on mine being a GX so still get reasonable off-road performance when aired down.
this Australian fascination with driving on the beach is something else... I love it!! makes for great videos, but here we see the beach as a place to go ruin your truck's undercarriage for good.
Well we have means and ways of preventing that. Good old lanolin or fish oil is a good start. But it’s more about the fact that you can drive to your own private part of the beach with your fridge, bbq, awning and all the other gear with you and just pull up and setup. I also tow my JetSki as well. Nothing better.
@@JebbreysJibberish Grey cable and ofcourse that ABS, TRC, ESP relay should be also unpluged. All lights go on, but on the sand there is no limitation regarding throttle. It's a free ride all day long
Keep a set if jumper leads just in case too. In case you can help someone out. Tne thing we get a lot of at our beach is visitors who leave everything on so at the end of the day they need a jump to go home.:-)
Yes centre diff lock must be engaged but without pushing and holding the TRC button you will not get anywhere close to full power from the ECU. Which was the point I was trying to make.
most circumstances you wouldn't take what be considered a on road radial tire off road either that is the other way to get bogged on sand with the wrong tire on the vehicle.. traction control is an on road feature which is totally useless in a offroad use case
Well that IS interesting and wow you are observant! If never noticed that before myself. That’s actually two rear looking ones, one next to the centre diff lock and another up to the right. There is a light that comes on with steering assist but I can’t recall where that is. But you’re right in that I don’t know of a 200 series that cable with Factory rest locker… maybe a Lexus model did??
Thanks I’ve driven thousands of k’s in early 200 series all around the dune and channel country of SW Qld and far NE SAust in the heat and with some seriously “ridged” sand dunes. Never had a problem in fact very similar to the straight 6 1HZ Toyota’s. I would think it’s mostly technique
80s, 100s are all like that with the spare. I agree they are too low for creeks etc but should not be an issue on a beach. As for traction,, look at the tyres. For sand the OEM Dunlops are far better. THAT is where it is very handy to have some near bald tyres for sand and the ATs for everything else. Desert Duelers simply dig holes. Ok on most other surfaces but not sand. Though I see wankers with Mudders on Sand,,,drrrrrrr!
Hi, Good video. Would the traction control turn off without engaging the center diff lock and in 4H After you press and hold for 3 seconds the traction control button ? Cheers Robbo.
It depends on your situation. How much your cat weighs, how fast you will be going, how soft the sand is. Lots of things. For the beach 20 psi is a good starting point generally but I’m not shy to go to 10pm I or lower if necessary. But you have to be careful at the lower end not to steer to quickly or go on steep inclines sideways.
I’m using the ultra gauge. Just make sure you buy one with the codes for the 200 already programmed in. Otherwise you will need to research them and program it yourself. It’s not that hard to do but it’s much easier if you buy one already setup. I like it as it’s got a bigger display than the scan gauge and more display layout options and mounting options.
But that's the whole point...in ruts the spare is much lower down, and going up a steep bank would lower it even more...so it will dig in. Rear spare rack for serious sand work...
I highly rate the self awareness around 200 series owner stereotypes. Nice video mate.
Our 200 was an absolute monster on the sand. Drop the tyre pressure, turn all the traction control etc off, use the auto in manual mode and drive in 4H. To easy. Never got bogged ever
@Nomen Clature It seems you didn't watch the video.
Thanks Norman I think you’re dead right. It’s funny how many people comment and are so judgmental when they haven’t watched the video. Cracks me up.
Low range is better to keep atf cooler. It will extend the life of your atf. Not my words, its from rocket rod.
@@and7976 What's atf
Auto transmission fluid.
Nothing wrong with 200 on the beach it's usually the nut behind the wheel they have power to burn.
Sometimes you have to stop in powder, traffic on inland tracks.I agree not good in soft soft sand..to heavy mate
It would seem you didn’t watch the video as I explain why people are wrong when they say that they are terrible on the beach, specifically targeting the ‘too heavy’ mantra which is not true, they feel too heavy when the 4wd system is not correctly setup.
🤔 wasn't that the whole idea about the video .
They complain it didn't work but actually they didn't know how to use it.
@@JebbreysJibberish but they are heavy? No matter how they feel it will always be at a disadvantage. Now I don't think heavy rigs are "shit" on sand but for most people a 3t car on sand is just too much to get around, I'm interested have you ever owned a very light 4wd such as a jimney or xj cherokee?
Also when you say about 10psi you really should let people know the relationship between tyre pressure and speed when turning etc ecspecially for lc200 owners, as we all know most of them aren't owned by avid wheelers. Just my two cents. Very well presented vid and I know the d40 traction doesn't doesn't off fully either, was the only thing I didn't like about it but it did open my eyes up to the uses of traction control and the changes to driving style needed, a few times it really did make the difference.
Safe wheeling man keep it up and I love your bit at the end about beach driving etiquette, us young lads can get a bit excited and regular chips help.
Center diff lock does NOT make all 4 wheels work together (for that you need to be triple locked)....It simply makes sure power is evenly split, 50/50, between front and rear axles....Thanks for the video, this is definitely a help!
It doesn't split it 50/50, the centre diff already gives 50/50. The centre diff lock, locks both the front and rear diff together so that you always have drive to both diffs. Like a normal diff if you don't have the centre diff lock, locked, the centre diff can open diff and will only provide drive to either the front or rear (if one has less resistance) and that diff can also open diff allowing only one wheel (the one with the least resistance) out of 4 to be spinning.
@@Chris-xb2ei My 2008 Prado has a Torsen center diff and in 4 Hi it transfers 60% to the rear and 40% to the front. If I put it into 4 Hi Lock or 4-Low, the center Torsen differential locks and delivers 50% front and 50% rear. However the 200 LC does not have a Torsen center diff. When in 4 Hi it splits the drive to both front and rear axles to varying degrees depending on the terrain or road conditions. When you press the center Diff lock button, it sends 50% power to both front and rear axles. From there, it is up to traction control to apply the brakes to each unloaded wheel that spins, and thereby transferring the drive to the wheel that is not spinning on that axle. Unless you have locking front and/or rear differentials, which were an option on the 200. It was also available with crawl control which is a very advanced version of the ABS and traction control systems to literally crawl over objects.
@@mikearend997 a differential can only split power 50/50 provided resistance on both sides is the same. You can't have a diff that provides 60/40. Braking is a different story but drive from the centre diff is split evenly if both sides have sufficient resistance/traction.
@@Chris-xb2ei Hi Chris, a torsen center diff allows for that. So when I'm in 4Hi the torsen gears are split and can send power in two directions at different speeds. Torsens are also used in rear end diffs and this is what they do when going around a corner. Within my transfer case (center diff) is gearing that allows to spin the front drive axle at a different speed than the rear drive axle. I can also put my transfer case into 4Hi-Lock which now locks the torsen gearset so both axles turn at the same speed. Here is how a torsen works: ruclips.net/video/JEiSTzK-A2A/видео.htmlsi=rp4s7PbGRYK19etw It's ingeneous! No clutches to burn out etc. just a bit of a weight penalty. When I put my Prado into 4 Low-lock the torsen engages another sun gear that lowers the gear ratio to allow for crawl speeds and locks both drive axles together so they both turn at the same speed.
Spot on mate. Great explanation. Got me 200 4 years ago and it eats sand for breaky.
Great talk. Traction control thing used to get me in the Prado 150 until I sussed it out properly. Now all good 👍
Getting stuck in a 200 or any other proper 4x4 vehicle for that matter is a lack of knowledge and skill.
Thank you and great video.
Good video mate. I pulled a 200 off a beach a while back with my 79. The blokes had their 200 bogged, boat stranded and trailer unhitched, all separate on the beach. Lord knows how they got in that situation. I asked the bloke if he had his diff lock engaged, he couldn't tell me. I always suspected operator error.
Error or limited knowledge on how their rig works.
The sound of that Diesel V8 is glorious. I want one so bad... Good content mate, thanks!
Thanks Sam, I love it too, pitty they went to a V6 in the 300 :-(
Great clip with some interesting info for many people I would think.
True
I won't be telling my bro about this tip. I find it funny to see his 200 struggling while I cruise past in my L322 range rover
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Cool story, bet you’ll tell him when he needs to tow you home.
@@fatchunk3678 this video is for people like you who bash cars with literally no idea. My most unreliable car has actually been a Toyota e.g. 4 x breakdowns requiring tow trucks whilst my land rover 0 x tows and yet owned much longer. Last car i saw broken down was a Prado with dead fuel pump. Do i think they are lemons? Nope, its all about maintenance, wear and tear plus luck.
@@fatchunk3678 100%😂😂
This caught me out too in my 200 when I first got it. I’m old school so the technology can be a bit daunting. Get use to it though and it’s absolutely brilliant when used in the right conditions. Great vid mate and thanks for sharing. That’s what it’s all about in the end no matter what you drive 👍
yes - I wondered why the Arabs liked them so much - after a got mine buried at the beach
Great video! Although thru most of it I was yelling at the TV with the stuff you concluded with, whilst thinking I'm gonna give this bloke what for in the comments section. But you cunningly came thru at the end! Good job!
Great video mate, very handy to learn about the traction control
Thanks for the step by step, made a lot of sense.
Very good advice all round, thanks for the video, I don’t on the beach that often in my LC200 so I probably need to tattoo those instructions on the back of my hand to remember 👍🇦🇺
Great info, the 200 series has plenty of torque, that's what you need for towing in sand. although a solid axle 4x4 like a Patrol will be better off road than a IFS vehicle like a 200 series.
Well that depends on the type of sand, if it’s rutted out and you need flex to keep your traction up then, yeah the solid axle wins. But if the beach is flat (often are) then the clearance on the IFS with the diff tucked up is actually an advantage.
I got told by a sand duner, petrol is better for sand because diesel has a higher torque and that's the reason diesel will always get bogged down. You guys can correct me if I'm wrong. Ok after watching the full video, thanks for all the advice and tips.
Wow what a difference
Great video for the 200 fraternity
It always comes down to the person driving not the car
@@garrytaylor8578 that's right mate 38 years ago there was a bloke who got around Frazer island in his cortina
Even the work corolla you need to hold it for 5-10secs to turn off t/c and stability/esp control
Yes otherwise it won’t do burnouts!
Great vid mate. Just about to pick up our new 2010 200. Really excited about it and watching this is a eye opener. Now I know! Cheers
Thank you, and wow exciting times! Good luck with it, they are a beautiful vehicle to drive.
LC's are great vehicles,but I still think the Mighty Nissan Patrol is much better in every way.
Cheers
I’ve had two GUs and I think they are better in some ways. Every way is a bit of a stretch though. The 200 doesn’t have a factory fitted pull to the left, death wobbles, a steering wheel that is to the left of the actual driver seat, a back door that cracks, rear spring tower chassis mounts that crack, a horrible ZD30 Renault van motor or an overheating kettle or gas guzzling petrol motor. I’ve had them all so it’s fair to say that stepping out of the 200 after 8 hours of driving is way better than stepping out of a GU. Horses for courses, both have weak point and both have good points.
Great video mate
You could hear the ol girl being held back in the sand on your first demo
Once the nanny control was off fully she roared like the tiger she is!
It’s amazing how many people are scared to let the damn tyres down
In the old days you just had to do it
I’ve even taken 2WD vehicles far further than I expected with the tyres down
Cheers
Thank you and yes you are Spot on.
Thanks. Didn’t know about that little trick
It makes all the difference!
200 series is way too heavy, independent suspension, ground clearance not great. Find it hard to believe that they are better than a GU on sand, perhaps much better than a standard GU yes
I’ve had two modified GU’s diesel and petrol and the 200 eats both of them on the beach. And doesn’t really weigh much difference once modified to my GU’s. Power to weight and especially torque in 200 is off the scale compared to my old GU’s.
I wouldn’t recommend to anyone that if in doubt on the beach, lower your pressures to 10 PSI. Start at 18 PSI and if you feel it’s bogging down, then go lower. If you go too low first and then you get stuck you have know where to go.
Also same with low range, this should be used when it’s getting tough or slow manoeuvres. That’s crazy to jump to low first just because it’s sand, regardless if it’s an auto or not.
There are two sides to this argument, I disagree with this sentiment. It is infinitely harder to get out of a bog than it is to avoid the bog altogether. From my experience 10psi and low range will avoid the bog in most circumstances and reduce wear and tear on your vehicle and avoid overheating engines and gearboxes. It will also give you more control and damage the tracks less. Not shifting to low is not going to offer you any advantages if you get bogged as if you are bogged you’ll probably want second gear low anyway. Low range in an automatic puts a lot less stress on your torque converter and allows the shifts to be closer together in ratio. This is not a tool for getting you out of a bog it’s a tool for driving correctly in circumstances that it was designed to be used in. Tyre pressures vary widely but if the beach is boggy or you are not familiar with it, the lower the better. Get stuck and lowering tyre pressure is not an automatic out, have the correct tyre pressures in the first place means you don’t get stuck in the first place.
Don’t agree with the high range thing mate. Too hard on the gear unless you’re on a hard pack beach. But the 18 psi and then down i do agree.
The over heating issues is a poor design by LC; hence the need for a lock up kit. Most other 4wds don’t have this problem; and to my point towing in a stock LC is a joke without a lock up kit. Appalling in design and such a weakness.
Low range for me and I know my group of mates is just for that instance torque and tricky terrain. If you need to run in low on a beach as standard, something is not right in my mind.
I have a torque converter lock up kit in my 200, put in the low speed setting, center diff lock on, high range 4wd, and it eats everything while not revving above 2000rpm all day long. Havent been stuck in sand yet, and all temps stay nice and cool!!!. Go the 200s' 😁
How much did all that run you?
@@cjtickner15 the torque converter lock up kits are about $600, plus install maybe another $200 or so.
Well worth it after a year or 2 of driving itll pay for itself in less fuel and less maintenance on the trans etc. Theres a few brands of kits around.
We do fraser island a bit and driving there with low speed lock up, center diff lock on and in high range we drive all over up to 80kph and dont do more than 2000rpm the whole week. Uses about 140l of fuel for 6 days of driving around. Happy days
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Even the best offroad traction control in the buisness is anoying in sand. We have a RR sport and in sand mode it allows enough wheelspin to do a hard uturn but not enough to do a 360.
Due think a 200 series is as capable as a RR , what's your tke on it?
@@Countrysideboy247 both standard on the same tyres. I Think its hard to beat the Range Rover. Though the 200 is probably better riding on rough surfaces.
Sean Saal you need to turn DSC off. Do you do that?
The RR Sport is the same as the Discovery 3 or 4, and its a common mistake to forget to turn DSC off, or even to not know that it needs to be turned off.
Sand mode on the Land Rover models is meant to be minimum intervention to allow speed & wheel spin.
Noel so far I haven't had to turn it off, im aware I can but haven't been in such a situation where sand mode is causing me more trouble than good yet......
Worth a go just to feel the difference. Once you had it off you’ll probably never have it on in sand again 😎
Very helpful, I'm about to start a half lap with alot of beach and sand driving in WA. Our 2020 MUX did it easy last year but a bigger van saw us upgrade to a 2015 GX 👍
You’ll love it!
Excellent information. Never knew about having to hold that button in to turn off traction control completely.
But question is: Why have a button to turn off traction control that doesn’t actually turn it off when pressed briefly?
Shot press - Traction control. Long press, stability control. It's in the manual if you bothered to read it.
@@lachlan5976 Yeah baby... but just so everyone knows, the manual comes in 2 volumes, is way more than 1000 pages long, and is mind-numbingly annoying by repeating everything it tells you time and again - but you can't skip any of it, because it's all different wording (to say the same thing) and sometimes it adds a new thing in there, which you'll miss if you skip what you think you already read (99% of which you did)...
Your first mistake driving and doing a u turn on the beach is you drive up to the high side of the beach and turn down towards the water. If your going to criticise 200 series landcruisers learn how to drive first. Always engage low range when driving through soft sand.
Haha maybe watch the video before you criticise it. 🤣
Well known, that patrol better than diesel engine in sand. Like your report specially on tips of using your switches which are essential on those moment.
Know your car applity before going into any new area
You can't have a Patrol engine in a Toyota...
You mean a gasoline engine?
Diesels work harder for longer...and work well in sand...if you know how to prepare the vehicle for driving in sand.
Mental preparation of the driver helps, too.
@@JohnSmith-yv6eq
My old Landcruiser patrol engine much much better in desert sand than my friend Landcruiser with diesel engine. This is out of experience from many years in Saudi
One of those buttons is for swerve control, not Traction Control.In the old Disco 4,couldnt turn off traction control, no issues at all in the soft sand.Had to have swerve control off, same as 200,or getting stuck was 100% guaranteed.
yeaaahh... i had some issues with the disco fully loaded actually. But other than that. A beast!
Hearing that diesel lope coming from a land cruiser on a bright sunny beach, makes me question whether or not I, and American, have actually experienced true freedom. 😕🤔
As they say - bad carpenter's blame their tools. good carpenters listen to their tools and learn their ways.
great video, youtube suggested I watch this for a reason. thanks!
Great videos and well presented ie honesty and practical
Simple and Useful! Thanks for sharing ♥️. With Trac cntrl fully off, 4H gear should be good enough for sand driving, with little need for engaging the diff loc or shifting to 4L. We too experience loads of desert driving here in Dubai where LC is very popular. 🤘🏼
Yes but high range in soft sand is a quick way to overheat your gearbox. That’s why you go low if you can. Always lock the centre diff if doing low traction stuff, that’s what it’s there for it won’t cause any harm.
You should see how its should be driven in the UAE
Exactly! I live here too!
Qatar💪🏾
Pulled 100s of Toyotas out of the sand. I've never pulled a Land Rover out. The Yotas just seem less capable in the sand.
Great video, very informative.
Brilliant Video!- my 200 pissed me off a few times at the beach :)
😊 Thank you for sharing!! Exhaust sounds good, could you let me know what system was fitted? Cheers.
Cheap PPD Chinese made one and I love it. Look back a few years ago on my channel and I did a video on it.
Get the pressures low enough and you can drive on most beaches in your ford falcon or commodore
True. You should see the places the HZ Ute goes on the farm with 5psi !
How do you keep your tyres on the rims? Bead locks?
You’d be surprised how low you can go without popping the tyre off the rim. It also depends on the weigh of the vehicle, the brand and construction of the tyre and most importantly how you drive it. But I climbed a steep sand dune in the south west of WA many years ago with my Toyota surf fully loaded at 5psi. It was the only way to get out at that time. You certainly wouldn’t want to me doing donuts in the sand at those pressures but for short stints if you have to you can generally get away with it.
Same as the 'DSC' control on the Discovery 3 & 4, and Range Rover Sport.
We came across a guy in a new Prado a couple of weeks ago in the dunes, he was bogged good and proper and wifey was mad. We had a horrible time trying to recover him, it just kept getting stuck. Had I have watched this video before that maybe we could have got him out much easier 😂😂
Yeah true it not only helps people with 200’s it helps people recover newer bogged Toyota’s even if they don’t own one.
Trac con off in my diesel astra goes much harder and can go through slipping mud no worries but when tc on cant even move all you can hear is shit clicking off electronic and clunker noise in driveline and throttle drops off ,i know its not 4wd but works on same principal as all cars or 4wd with trac control, this why they now use fly by wire throttle instead of cables
Thanks mate. Very helpful
Really well explained! Great video
Thank you.
Good video. I'm not familiar with these 200 series, but been eyeballing few of them lately and obviously more info I can get about them, easier it'll be to make decision to buy one. This was one of those good tips and certainly seems to be capable in sand when done properly 👍 I currently own 5.7 hemi Jeep Grand Cherokee WK and while it has damn fine system (Quadra Drive 2) I'm considering switching to diesel and Toyota at some point. 200 series seems to be like a nice option.
Great video mate, informative and that strong key message of tyre pressure is king... always. legend, thanks
Best car I’ve ever had on the beach turn off all traction control and let tyres down
I came up with the name: *200 series sand anchor* I have tb48 5speed auto gu series 4...nissan said why change something if its not broken...still in production for middle east to this day 2021 y61 super safari with tb48de now that's saying something about y61 4.8
Yep used to have a TB48 wagon myself. Loved it. To be honest though, I do think the VDJ does better on the beach even towing the JetSki.
@@JebbreysJibberish VDJ are much more practical engine for 4x4/ touring and sound good too did your 4.8 use 18 to 20+ litres per 100k like mine lol
23l per 100km petrol and 30 plus on LPG. It was crazy thirsty.
Good video mate, your a natural
i thought so too haha!
Makes me appreciate my 60 series.
The 60 is probably the only cruiser I am willing to pay the cruiser tax for because by God they're sexy, you're a lucky man. Would probably wanna whack one on an 80 chassis though. Although I don't ever see me getting a car that big anymore, my little xj is heaps easier offroad at 1.5t and if I need to tow I'll get a dual cab again but maybe just maybe I'll become a real man one day, I mean own a cruiser.
60 is my favourite landcruiser by far..if only
That engine sounds soooo good!
It really does, I love it! 😎😁
Goes alright for a V8
Nice video, mate. Missing WA! Regards from Germany
Vielen Dank
West is best!
nice to see. my wife got my ford suck in mud in 4low with diff lock on, and i tried everything in 4 low as it takes off traction control to get unstuck so i put it in 4H with traction control on with diff lock on put my foot flat down ready to kill the car lol and after about 5-10 seconds with my foot flat all the wheels started to turn and stated to get traction it was cuting out the engine but i think it was taking time for the traction control to really work properly maybe i was lucky, but in 4L it did not want to know anything (2018 3.2 Auto)
In low range Vehicle Stability Control is turned off, which is the first icon you see come up on the dash, but traction control is still on. As shown you have to hold the button down to turn traction control off. A lot of people think the first icon is traction control. Vehicle Stability Control is to help control the car on the road in a skid situation.
A step beyond this will make a VERY VERY HUGE difference in petrol v8 where the peak power is high on the rpm. Use the manual gear selector and choose the lowest gear possible (I found 2nd low to be nice), you want it to almost be on the rev limiter, even hitting it occasionally. If it's just riding the rev limiter then shift it higher, but you want it to always be on the high rpm. A problem with the auto is that it will shift up prematurely and make you lose all momentum.
Thankfully the diesel has the torque where you want it so you don’t need to rev the balls off it. But 2nd low is always a good choice when things get gnarly. You could also use the 2nd switch to stop it changing into first and bogging you down.
@@JebbreysJibberish The diesel is nice that is has power in all the rpm range, but in sand what you want is horsepower. The petrol v8 has more hp if you keep the rpm high where it makes most of it's power then it performs great, but if the transmission shifts to a higher gear and the rpm drops then you are stuffed because the petrol v8 is not so powerful at low rpm.
The petrol didn’t have more horsepower. Petrol 4.7l V8 is 170kw / 410nm and the diesel 4.5l TT V8 is 200kw /650nm.
@@JebbreysJibberish I am talking about the 5.7 v8. 284 kW 543 N⋅m
On flat soft sand my shitty 90 series can idle along at 5kmh I give her the shit through inclines though
Sometimes the heaviest and meanest looking 4x4 is actually not the most practical.
New MUX looks awesome!
30% CAR
70% DRIVER
Great vids mate.
Thank you.
Towed six metre boats up the beach on Fraser with 200 series. No problems.
Thank you mate👍🏻
Worst things about the 200 are the lower profile tyres the ifs and getting to much like a city car
At least it still has a solid rear axle unlike the Y62. Important so you don’t scrub your rears out when towing. I’ve only 17’s on mine being a GX so still get reasonable off-road performance when aired down.
this Australian fascination with driving on the beach is something else... I love it!! makes for great videos, but here we see the beach as a place to go ruin your truck's undercarriage for good.
Well we have means and ways of preventing that. Good old lanolin or fish oil is a good start. But it’s more about the fact that you can drive to your own private part of the beach with your fridge, bbq, awning and all the other gear with you and just pull up and setup. I also tow my JetSki as well. Nothing better.
Prado 120 has no TRC button. Just unplug the grey cable on braking cylinder and off you go...TRC dead.
Well there you go I didn’t know that. Thank you for the tip!
@@JebbreysJibberish Grey cable and ofcourse that ABS, TRC, ESP relay should be also unpluged. All lights go on, but on the sand there is no limitation regarding throttle. It's a free ride all day long
Keep a set if jumper leads just in case too. In case you can help someone out. Tne thing we get a lot of at our beach is visitors who leave everything on so at the end of the day they need a jump to go home.:-)
Damn I wanna drive on a beach in my fj cruiser
Correct the tyres pressure n gear no problem at all ,no need power on the sand .
There amazing on beaces
Thanks for sharing, I was always wondering why i had to snatch so many 200 series out of the bog
Haha, then you woke up and realised you couldn’t afford one......
Thank you, I learnt something
Good explanation mate.....
Great video.
So you were driving on the beach in all wheel drive? Centre diff lock must be engaged
Yes centre diff lock must be engaged but without pushing and holding the TRC button you will not get anywhere close to full power from the ECU. Which was the point I was trying to make.
most circumstances you wouldn't take what be considered a on road radial tire off road either that is the other way to get bogged on sand with the wrong tire on the vehicle..
traction control is an on road feature which is totally useless in a offroad use case
Thanks for the tip
Bloody good advice
4:50 I see a blacked out rear locker icon. I thought NO 200 series has factory rear lockers. Can you confirm that I am wrong ?
Well that IS interesting and wow you are observant! If never noticed that before myself. That’s actually two rear looking ones, one next to the centre diff lock and another up to the right. There is a light that comes on with steering assist but I can’t recall where that is. But you’re right in that I don’t know of a 200 series that cable with Factory rest locker… maybe a Lexus model did??
Nice video ,thanks.
I believe it is all mentioned in the car user manual as well.
Cheers
In the Prado it’s mentioned in a handy little reference card under the sun visor, I assume the 200 would be the same.
Who reads the manual? 😂
Thanks I’ve driven thousands of k’s in early 200 series all around the dune and channel country of SW Qld and far NE SAust in the heat and with some seriously “ridged” sand dunes. Never had a problem in fact very similar to the straight 6 1HZ Toyota’s. I would think it’s mostly technique
80s, 100s are all like that with the spare. I agree they are too low for creeks etc but should not be an issue on a beach.
As for traction,, look at the tyres. For sand the OEM Dunlops are far better.
THAT is where it is very handy to have some near bald tyres for sand and the ATs for everything else.
Desert Duelers simply dig holes. Ok on most other surfaces but not sand. Though I see wankers with Mudders on Sand,,,drrrrrrr!
Can I please have that engine (without the rubbish computer) in my old 80 series please.
Now that would be nice!
It's been done before. Only leaves a bee's d!©k of clearance between the engine and chassis though
You turned TRC off, but left VDC on! Click and hold the button for 2sec and its all off.
You don't have to worry about the spare tyre your diffs are lower then your tyre.
Hi, Good video. Would the traction control turn off without engaging the center diff lock and in 4H After you press and hold for 3 seconds the traction control button ? Cheers Robbo.
You can turn it off in high or low range with the centre diff lock engaged or disengaged.
Great video! can you do another video about 4x4 A track, crowl ?
That’s gold. 👍🍺
Looks like a TOTAL DEMON on the sand!!! Nice job mate ;)
I have a toyota land cruiser 120 (2008) 3.0 d4d . My car doesnt have a TRC button . I get stuck a lot in the sand . Any tips please?
So that would be a prado that you have. Tyre pressures tyre pressures tyre pressures. If you are getting stuck your tyre pressure is too high.
@@JebbreysJibberish Thank you but dont you think the trc button is the biggest issue?
I think that it is a major factor but with low enough tyre pressures you’d still get through.
@@JebbreysJibberish i have michelin crossclimate tyres 265/65/17 . How much do you think i should deflate them ?
It depends on your situation. How much your cat weighs, how fast you will be going, how soft the sand is. Lots of things. For the beach 20 psi is a good starting point generally but I’m not shy to go to 10pm I or lower if necessary. But you have to be careful at the lower end not to steer to quickly or go on steep inclines sideways.
Just buy a y62 s5 😉
Great video! By the way what scan tool/gauge are you using to get your transmission temperature?
I’m using the ultra gauge. Just make sure you buy one with the codes for the 200 already programmed in. Otherwise you will need to research them and program it yourself. It’s not that hard to do but it’s much easier if you buy one already setup. I like it as it’s got a bigger display than the scan gauge and more display layout options and mounting options.
@@JebbreysJibberish thanks ... actually have a Prado 150
Stay off wet beach sand if you dont like rust .
Anything on full lock in soft sand will dig in...
My model doesn't have traction control. But it does Great in sand or bleach.
That spare tire looks much higher than the diffcenter in the axel...
Can't see that being a problem unless you are already getting bogged.
But that's the whole point...in ruts the spare is much lower down, and going up a steep bank would lower it even more...so it will dig in.
Rear spare rack for serious sand work...
at least lock the center diff to start off with
Why would you backtrade from a Patrol? To a Tryota. No, I don't own either. $80k is stupid money for a car thats not an EV.
It's disappointing a lot of people