As a 4x4 diesel specialist I feel for U mate . There's to many cowboys out there these days with not enough proven knowledge to save themselves. As I always say to my customers there's 3 ways to do things . 1 cheap .2 fast . 3 the correct way. Ask all the questions you can and really try your best to understand what you're asking first. If you're unsure of the answer ,ask them to explain it . If you're unhappy or still unsure of your experience, don't let them near your car .a good honest reliable mechanic will assure you and explain exactly what your spending your hard earned money on and why it is necessary. All the best for your future mods and happy holidays mate👍
My mechanic is in his 50s owns his own shop and employs no one He’s not cheap but he is honest and does a great job Too many dealers have smooth talkers at the front desk, however there is a sea of cheap inexperienced “mechanics” working on the cars!
Never had one on my hilux either. D4d:) Towed a 2t van for 4mths and its still ticking along beautifully over 320k now. Cans are a Waste of cash and hype.
My 1954 Holden FJ ute vented to engine bay & road straight out of the sidecover tube and coat the whole area with a fine mist of blowby oil preservative & rust preventor. Oil bath airfilter too was great for filtering air.
My experience of buying 17 different cars in Australia in a span of 10 years tells me to never buy a second hand car from a dealer. Never! Always buy it from a private seller, so you know who they are and how they used the car. Also, check the car before buying it, even when the car is a LC. Happy to hear that your problem is resolved now.
Try running a Pro Vent from Mann and Hummel mate, you’ll not be disappointed... Western Filters uses full diameter hoses to minimise back pressure and restriction. Fitted one to my VDJ and have been very impressed!
I fitted a Provent 200 to my 2018 Dmax back when the ute was reasonably new. Within a couple of hundred kms it started to push oil out the rear crank seal. After contacting the supplier of the kit & reconfirming correct fitment with photos etc. they suggested removing it. Their reasoning was that the engine had a weak crank seal...hmmmm? As soon as I took it off the leak stopped. Ute has done 60,000 kms since then without an issue. Perhaps I was unlucky? If catch cans are so essential why don’t the manufactures fit them as standard?
Felt so sorry that you had to go through all that. Glad you found a good mechanic to solve your issue. Good mechanics are like gold. I have one that has saved me thousands because of his honesty and sound logic. I will faithfully stick with him until he retires. Thanks for sharing. 🙂👍
Well. That explains why my Diesel Outlander developed a leak in the sump just after I installed a Ryco catch can. Valve comes out along with filter and it'll be replaced by a different brand. A class action against Ryco might make them behave a bit more politely.
Filter shouldn't have anything to do with it , adding a filter in line should not restrict the flow so much that you develop pressure in the Crank case . Ive seen people remove the PCV Valve and such , do a PCV delete and stuff , and then you might develop unusual engine crankcase pressures and hence leak oil , you should not remove anything from the car when installing catch can , just put it inline with a valve or a hose and then it shouldnt make problems.
@@JebbreysJibberish It shouldn't stop flow, i dont know i didnt use it , but of course if one observer filling up too quick then obviously the system is not working . It should catch vapors , there shouldn't be liquid oil in it in high amounts , the PCV should filter that out and release only vapors , not actual liquid oil .
I've run a provent 200 on my low kilometre 1hz turbocharged 105 series & from my experience, don't bother with any of those internal filter type catch can. If you do, you need to keep a very close eye on the filter being saturated. I've now replaced it with a HPD unit, which whilst supposedly not catching the same amount of oil, will not pressurise your engine like the filter type do. My vehicle started to weep from the rear main seal. I'm currently monitoring it & it seems to have stopped, but it's only early days, so time will tell. Your presentation was very informative, well done.
Yeah I’ve just got the Ryco can in there with no filter now. It caches a bit, but my engine still leaks slowly from the original damage after having the filter in there for less than 10,000kms! 😳😡
I have had HPD and its great. Some vapour escaping is prob good as the engineers would realise this happens but a big chunk of water vapour and oil-carbon crap does get ‘caught’. No filter to block in the HPD. No ongoing expense. Empty it regularly👍
I am a diesel mechanic ,made my own catch can for my 79 cruiser which fits down low on the chassis probably cost about $20 which is the cost of fittings with stainless scourers from Woolies no check valve no problems
Smart move not sending Ryco your catch can. Get a mechanical engineer To check your catch can then sue the arse out of Ryco. That would make a killa youtube vlog. Keep the videos coming
Check out the Bossvent catch can for the 200 series. Two filter chambers, higher flow, and a sensor that lets you know the can is full and the pressure is increasing .
I had an rcc350 on a Mercedes 3.0v6 diesel. It got blocked after 1000km. Mine didn't leak any oil, and the engine did not get damaged, but I noticed the pressure relief valve on the catch can was oily. Took the catch can off, and tried to blow through it... Nothing. Not even a little bit of air passed. I was surprised the engine didn't get damaged and the dip stick didn't pop out. Emailed ryco and explained what happened. And they said that the rcc351 fixes the issue. They replaced it for free for me. Now the new catch can is working well. However, there is still a little bit of restriction. I might buy a provent soon, they seem to have much better reputation, and is worth the slightly higher price.
Most heavy diesel truck engines now days run an engine breather filter ( return to sump catch can). These filters are a service item. Every oil change or Every second depending on the environment the engine is working in, the filter needs to be changed. Anytime an engine has excessive or weird uncommon oil leaks and/or running issues. The first thing that is changed is the catch can filter. . When these filters clog up they cause so much back pressure that oil get pushed out of weakess seal first , either the front/ rear mains or the rocker cover gaskets and causes more issues than without a filter.
A filter bypass? As when the filters full it bypasses the oily gases straight into the intake, then no one would ever change the filter😂. Unfortunately thats quite difficult to design and to make reliable, good idea tho Either have a filter and change it regularly or dont have a filter and put oily gases into the intake.
@@mattpalmer1602 . Dual filters for serial redundancy and by-passes are quite common in industrial applications for oil (critical) systems. The bypass is simple - just a pressure relief for when the filter is clogged (high resistance), add an indicator light to notify that the service life is expired.- if space allows add a smaller filter to the secondary path.
i had a 60 series sahara turbo diesel 5 speed manual i rebuilt the motor and gearbox and had it tuned the 12HT motor was absolutely bullet proof i thrashed the crap out of it and it never missed a beat everyone behind me was complaining about getting covered in mud well that's what happen's when you have 15psi of boost and 650NM'S OF torque 33inch mud tyres and 2wd awesome fun sadly cancer took over the body and i no longer have her and i miss her
you are such a level headed man,calm and pragmatic I served my time as a heavy engine fitter/ mech at Cummins, I have rebuilt many engines 555 to 1710 cu inch training was different in my day, I'm 76 I have no faith in kids working on my Disco 4, unfortunately, I had a stroke, so my left arm does not work, so lotsa stuff I can not do I have never heard of a catch can My d4 is a marvelous car , but i hate modern engines
Thank you for the kind words. Working on those old diesels would have been satisfying I imagine. Too bad about the stroke, but at least you are still around to tell us about it I suppose. I love the discos but would be too scared to own one myself.
yes, but I towed a 4000kg lathe and trailer from Sydney to Sunshine Coast with my 2010tdv6, raining down CUNNINGHAMS GAP , car was rock solid, I changed to 2016 SDV6 with 125000km on it, 255 hp 6oo nm, 8-speed zf, it is fabulous, but I nurse it and only tow van with GVM 1800 kg very quiet mill, I may buy an ICOM SSB just in case i do go bush, I never park in van parks, like to be alone, although I am gregarious I had a 2000 d2 drove in Ru Ua and all over eastern Eu, slept in the forests, was I scared, yes but in those big truck stops in Ro, Bg. etc I was more scared, bandits yes I'm ok, still operate my 4m lathe, grunter welders and design boats, but will never build again as two arms are needed for positional welding I f you are ever up in QLD let me know eh
I do love the rovers, got a few friends with them but they can be fickle! The ICOMs are great, but now days Starlink is another very good option for remote communication. I love Queensland but it’s a loooooong old drive from WA! 😀
mate Ryco 350 killed my 4m41 perfectly running engine too. I am so upset that I had to spend 7500 dollars rebuilding it. And it is not the same. When it comes to catch cans provent200 is the only way to go and don't buy it off of eBay.
Finding these problems comes with experience, its one of those faults that you may not find unless you've seen it before. Glad it all worked out in the end. I have a 2009 200 with over 400k on it and still all original everything. I also have provent catch can and have had no issues at all. At least now you know! 👍
I don't trust any mechanics. Or anyone in any job at that. Every time I pay someone to do something for me I either get ripped off or they don't do a very good job. Trust is earned from me not given.
I’m glad I’m not the only one mate. I feel exactly the same. So much so I’ve bitten the bullet and started doing basic maintenance and servicing my self which is totally out of my comfort zone. Thanks to RUclips videos explaining each job in detail.
I had decided not to put a catch can on for these reasons you mention in the video. If anything, a regular old metal can with baffles is the way to go. They use these on race cars and old 70-90's turbo cars had them. They perform adequately. I don't really care if oil vapour goes through the intake. I'd much rather clean the whole intake system out every 60-100 thousand km than worry about my catch can blocking up because of the "sludge". The sludge happens rapidly in the catch can. In the intake, it takes many, many km for that sludge to line your intake plumbing and to eventually become a problem.
Thanks for sharing your problems with the Ryco unit, at least we who've watched the video will now be more vigilant and you have helped save my customers money! Great job, keep it up!
I would fill the catch can with the stainless steel pot scrubbers until the can is full. This effectively eliminates the filter. The stainless steel filters the oil from the fumes allowing the oil to run back to the engine. I did this with a V8 which has a can on each rocker cover and I have had a vast reduction in oil consumption.
I have had Provent catch can on my Triton and have never had an issues with oil leaks, blow by and oil consumption, but 2 months ago my cousin who has the same catch can on his T5 vw transporter noticed a major increase in oil consumption after he replaced the EGR valve, he ordered a new filter for the provent at the same time bit it was after market, we traced the oil use down to the turbo chargers seals, I talked him into cleaning the original filter and put it back into service, he used a accurate low pressure gauge to measure the differential pressure between the inlet and outlet on the catch can and came up with over 1PSI back pressure, after changing back to the standard element, the same test was carried and there was no measurable pressure drop across the catch can. do not use any other element in the provent catch can and I have had the same one for 5 years and with very careful cleaning it is still working beautifully. The engine builder should have check the crank case pressure and the pressure drop across the catch can which would have pointed him in the right direction..
@@JebbreysJibberish I have spent all of my life working on high speed rotating equipment and ended up of shore as a specialist, it does not take very much to analyze a problem once you understand how it works as the method we used is in all heavy earth removing equipment where filter changes are determined by difference pressure.
Great video I think you just solved the problems I was having with my hdj100 series. Had the same ryco catch can fitted as per video, had nothing but problems rocker cover blew 2 times. Never had a problem before I put the ryco catch can on,since then have switched to a provent 200 catch can since and the car has being running like it should.
I think the Provent 200 may also have had some issues on the early ones. When I ordered a new filter they asked me when I had originally installed it on my 200. They sent me a complete new catch can to install which they said had a different valve on the top. I installed the new one and have not ever had any issues, either before or after the swap over.
The offshoot bonus of doing this is there is zero oil vapour going back thru the intake which means nothing for the EGR gas to react with to cause the sticky residual crap that blocks up intake manifolds and ports. Once you vent crankcase to atmosphere there is no need to block or delete egr to avoid the build up. Also no more oil mist inside your intercooler means it can work more efficiently 👍
After suspect advice from an alleged mechanic i threw a 1 litre plastic bottle with foam in it on the tappet cover. Little to no oil usage and 160000klm before a complete rebuild was necessary due to ultra high klm. I even have one on my mower
The HPD billet aluminium catch can is the only thing id use. Have one in my Prado with no problem in 2 years. No check valves and no cartridge filter, still catches heaps and no restrictions.
Thanks for a well presented video Now a couple of points and I have been running and working on Diesel engines all my life and have been running a 200 r Diesel for a while 1 blow by or excessive sump pressure will cause oil leaks easy to check loosen filler cap or pull dipstick 2 What have Toyota to say about all of this ? 3 Would running a higher viscosity oil especially when the engine gets a few ks up help ?? As the recommended 10 is very light and may be adding to the problem 3 This problem is not new ,it’s been around since they started recycling the sump fumes I’m sure some of the older blokes have experienced a slightly worn engine running away on the sump fumes ,could be a scary if not interesting 🤔 experience No reflection on the people who were repairing your car but compression blow by test results etc should be recorded Thanks again for your informative video first time viewer ✌🏻👍
Great info mate. Don't believe the naysayers about the LC VDJ200. Bought my VX new in 2008. Now has 325,000ks and going strong with no issues. Done alot of heavy towing with large 3 horse float with living area. Mods include Lovells GVM upgrade, Richards TC lockup with trans and ECU remap with dyno tune, HPD intercooler and catchcan and fuel pre-filter. Haven't felt the need to replace stock exhaust as I get plenty of power. Self serviced including all fluids/filters, brakes etc. I've replaced the water pump and radiator at the first sign of fatigue before any problems developed. Fuel injector values are like new and I can't see myself replacing it for another 100,000k or beyond. When well cared for, they're a beast of a vehicle. Best car I've ever owned.
I’ve just had to do my water pump too. You’d think they would have replaced that when doing an engine rebuild but you know…… also just put the Richards lockup in, I’m loving that!!
I hate shops, I had a load of issues with my triumph dealer for my triumph 675 motorcycle. They charged me a ton and messed up my bike and then tried to blame me for every little thing. Worst part was when it was running on 2 cylinders of 3 because the itb throttle blades were adjusted so badly. And the head mechanic said that was normal and the bike would learn around it. I had to use a thermal temp gun to prove it wasn’t using cylinder 1 until 5-6k rpm. Scored cams, pulled the plug threads out of cylinder 1, Damaged my air filter, was terrible.
Thanks for the video! Bloody hell that's an ordeal and a half. Ryco should definitely be held responsible, hopefully anyone using that catchcan has seen this video.
well explained....hindsight makes things clear.....btw I just put a Provent catch can in my 200 today....I am much more aware of what to look for....many thanks....
i just bought a cruiser and the first thing my mechanic did was remove the catch can that was on it and replaced the original return pipe. a bit of top end lube never hurt no engine.
sorry for your troubles Mr. I have a d4 discover, i keep the CARSOFT diagnosis in the car, plug it in every now n then, it reads cylinder data so's i can see exactly what is going on As a very young man, I was an engineer 6000shp tug and in those engines, we read pyro on each cylinder, with very dirty tanks, despite filters we often saw one cylinder reading cold I you have an expensive vehicle, it'd be worth getting a diagnostic tool eh? plug the bugger in before you buy.Ah just watched til the end, so, there you are Change to Fleetguard
Yeah same not issues until catch can installed soon after oil leaks from various places rear main ect Remove at home can vented to atmosphere not a problem They are trash bin them
Well you certainly have had a hard time with the problem you experienced common when catch cans have been hooked up with hoses back to front. I fitted a Flashlube to my 200 comes in installation kit with moulded hoses fits up very neatly. I was told to change the filler 30 k no longer experienced no issues empy the can every 5k.
Yeah my first thought was that they might have been backwards but they were installed correctly. I have something sorted and on it’s way with moulded hoses I’ll update when I get al the stuff here.
I have the same set up, a Flashlube catch can, done 150,000km with it on my 200 and not an issue, same as you I drain it frequently, and change the filter every 20K.
After seeing what’s coming out of the RCC351 can I’d still consider it, even if you just go a provent. The sludge in there looks like vegimite even after 500kms!
this is very interesting, i also bought a ryco can the 351k back in December 2020 and i noticed, the same issues i was getting oil leakage from the front of the motor somewhere and also out of the dip stick.. i was so annoyed i threw that garbage ryco can out and put a provent 200 in, and its been good so far...
I had similar oil leak problems from the injector seals on my R51 which I purchased second hand a few years ago. After some research I replaced the catch can which was fitted when I bought it with a ProVent 200 and all my oil leaks went away.
Here in the states, we don't get the Toyota diesels but we do have diesels in other rigs that have similar issues with plugged or otherwise ineffective crankcase vent systems. If you want to see a helluva mess, talk to truckers about plugged crankcase vent filters on a Cummins ISX. Imagine what a gallon of oil looks like all over a hot engine, no bueno.
I correctly diagnosed the prob when I saw the blow by from the filler cap! The title "was it the catch can" was a very strong clue! High crankcase pressure is a prime cause of all your issues...well not the oily door! Ryco filters..if you look up filter comparrisons on RUclips Ryco usually come last!
Crikey mate. To hell and back. Sorry this happened and thanks for drawing our attention to Ryco. I've just ordered the provent 200 for my cruiser as it's the only brand I trust. Hope all goes well now mate.
Hi mate, i feel your pain 💯 as someone who has clients with national fleets, and a landcruiser owner, my first thoughts were “dusted ex mines vehicle”, then when i saw your catch can i thought “too small” you need a provent 200 (not the 100!). Very informative video mate. These vehicles are tops, you just need to be an owner who doesnt get jerked around by aftermarket crap. Ive seen where me hanics have fitted a catch can back to front with disasterous results
It's funny you mention the issue with the ryco. I had issues with mine too. I have since sold the car but haven't refitted it to the new one due to the issues. Think I'll just avoid it and do an egr delete. If the turbos go on the future I'll just replace them with g- turbos 😁
I have a Provent 200 fitted to Patrol with no problems at all. I simply drain it every couple of thousand kilometres in accordance with advice from Berrima Diesel. If the catch can fills, the pressure and oil have nowhere to go other than the filler cap or the dipstick. I believe that this is why some engines fitted with catch cans blow. I am sorry to hear of your experience(s).
Diesel Care in Toowoomba have heaps of vehicles coming in to get the catch can fitted. A lot from the mining areas from Roma and Chinchilla. I also have one fitted to my 2019 Triton has 50,000 so far no problems just drain every 5,000 and a new filter every 70,000.
This is a great story. For some reason it has become crucial to fit catch cans to modern CRD engines, (and extra fuel filters). I have run a 2014 200 series since new with no catch can, no extra fuel filter, and it runs beautifully. I can’t help but think of the old saying - “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it…” Thanks for sharing your story, and I’m happy for you that this sorry saga seems to be finally at an end!
After doing a $2000 fuel pump due to water contamination on my old TD42, a second fuel filter was something I fitted to that even though it was an old school diesel.
Holy shit, compile all of the emails, letters and etc and see a solicitor. Personally I have never used a catch can and have certainly seen channels like 4wd 24/7 talk about how good they are. I have heard nothing but horror stories about them. None of my cars have ever had a catch can and never had an issue Best wishes
Allan Grey from Terrain Tamer who's been building and repairing LC since the early days. Recommend Flash Lube Catch Can. I've been running one for about 6yrs now and had no issues. And there's hi flow can cans out there for V8s.
Hey mate just giving my 2 cents worth I would remove the catch can all together install a egr blanking plate and just turn it off on the ecu and your car will never have an issue again the car needs the oil to lubricate the head just not the exhaust gases 👍
Sorry to hear of your nightmares Of course there's no problem with a 351, ask your man in Bussleton he will agree. Great Ford engine. Daughter bought a y62, just puts petrol in and does regular oil changes. Brilliant vehicle. Regards Steve.
Good info, I don't use any Ryco products but everything Toyota and the dealer is no more expensive. Bet you were relieved when they worked out the problem. Thanks again.
The Ryco has a relief valve too but it never showed any signs of having opened.. I can only assume the restrictions from the check valve are not continuous enough or severe enough to trigger it but are enough over time to cause damage. From what I read, and would seem consistent with my last oil leak it seems the restrictions get worse at higher rpm.
Im on my second cruiser, sold my first one with 330k no issues - no mods. Its still going good as i know the person who bought it. Current cruiser newer model with all the mods, catch can, secondary fuel filter etc...since I had secondary fuel filter installed i had alot of trouble with the car running rough or not starting. Caused me alot of headaches as I couldn’t find what the problem is. Forums didnt help much, every one kept suggesting injectors, engine cooked etc... After many weeks of headaches a backyard mechanic found a leak in fuel lines connected to secondary fuel filter - problem solved! I dont know why alot of people are quick to point to the worst possible outcomes such as injectors are bad, engine is cooked etc? I have a feeling that if you ask why the tyre is flat someone is going to suggest to check injectors! Lol. Sometimes you just get unlucky with the simplest of the mods and worst is when even a professional mechanics cant find a solution for such a simple problem.
Yes, some very dodgy mechanics out there, some of them even work for major dealers. Had an issue with my centre diff light coming on in my 200. When the light was on it meant I could not engage low range or cruise control. Took it to the dealer where I bought it from, the "Service Adviser" called me later to say they could find no problem, so I went back to pick it up. Light was out, which is what it did when it was stopped and restarted whilst warm, but when I asked the "service adviser" what I should do if the event re-occurs he suggested removing the light !!!! I kid you not. Never been back to the same dealer since. Took the 200 to another branch of the same company when the issue did re-occur and the work-shop manager found the issue, within 30 minutes, a $3K part, an actuator in the transmission. All I can suggest to 200 series owners is that they regularly engage the low range and listen for the definite clunk when it engages, it helps to keep the actuator functioning.
I made my own catch can out of a few plumbing bits from a hardware store and some stainless steel wool and a couple of scotchbright pads. Works very well keeps the intake from sootting up. But after a long haul trip towing a heavy trailer there was oil all over the back of the vehicle and on the trailer. After a short bit of panic and a hunt for oil leaks I found that I didn’t do the drain plug on the catch can up properly. It really doesn’t take much oil to make a horrible mess , it took less than half a litre to move the oil level from just above the half way point between the notches to the top notch which is only slightly more than normal usage.
Yeah I was freaking off to when it was leaking out around the injectors, drove home 300kms stopping every 50kms and barely used any oil. My biggest concern was catching fire as it was pouring all over the dump pipe!
@@JebbreysJibberish . You can make your own filters out of scrubbing pads and wire wool. The purpose of catch cans on diesels is not to catch oil but to keep it out of the intake not having the filters in reduces the effectiveness of this purpose.
I’ve got the RCC351 installed now. Ryco sent me the updated model. Got a video on that and will upload a new one soon with the comparison of both catch cans and filters as I had them side by side.
OEM filters. Change fluids when they are dirty not by a set interval yet with a max milage such as 6,000kms. Short drives or long drives in dusty/harsh environments require more often oil changes. Catch can with a filter are not a go. Use a catch can with screens, such as the HPD catch can. With proper gear and maintenance the diesel should last 500,000+kms. I have opened up 1HDFTE engines with 250,000kms with everything on the bottom end still within specs. The heads just get clogged up with soot and gunk due to the EGR systems.
We have 3 diesels, all with provents. We also had weeping problems on a Pajero and a Renault master van. Van is old so really didn't want the cost of doing rear main, rocker, injector seals. So been nursing it. Changed provent filter on each during service and ALL weeping issues are gone. Oils usage and catch can collection reduced. Will be doing provent filter every second service now.
Just came across this video. Sorry to hear of this ordeal! Ive had my 2013 lc 200 since new and from the comments and your experience will definitely never fit a catch can.
Great analysis. I bought a Provent copy for my 200, studied it and got cold feet at the check valve and flow path. This LandCruiser is called 200 because over 200 engineers design them so if a Catch can is good then why doesn't Toyota fit, or even offer it as accessory. I've cleaned its gunk from EGR + PCV vapour mixing, but diesels benefit from oily vapour intake air for some upper cyl lube. Amazing is this mix does not clog the intercooler. Happy you have solved it.
It’s not the oil that’s a problem and it’s not the egr valve that’s the problem it’s the oil vapour entering the inlet manifold when the egr valve is open and the the oily air mixes with the soot from the open egr valve that creates a paste that gets baked on to the inside of the manifold, inlet ports and valve stems. It the keeps building up over a long period of time until it eventually restricts the motor. Also the egr valve is only open within specific values that a lot of vehicles may not experience. Eg when the engine is at WOT or under load the valve closes. It’s mainly open at low to mid throttle position with light engine load like short tips to the shops or work. So if you’re using your car mainly for towing the van on long trips or are doing a lot of highway miles it may never have a problem. None of the 4x4 car makers that I know of fit catch cans including Mitsubishi yet Mitsubishi light trucks have a catch can as standard. My 2020 Sahara is our only car so it does a lot of short trips so I fitted a pro vent to it a week after I bought it. At around $300 it’s cheap piece of mind and insurance for me. Cheers Stuart
You can put stainless steel scrubbing wool inside the catch can to work as a filter medium, it is extremely open but will catch a good amount without being to restrictive.
@@JebbreysJibberish I have a provent catch can similar to the Repco and the filters are too expensive for what they are IMO, I remember seeing videos of people putting the stainless steel wool pads in their cheap empty ones like you mentioned in the video so I tried that. I used 2 (they come in 2 packs at Woolworths and I spread them out a bit so they had a little tension on the side of the can. I’m sure it won’t filter out like the original but it’s less restrictive which is not necessarily a bad thing
@@JebbreysJibberish highly doubt it, it is not the fine type like you get with the ones that have the soap on them. I did inspect if they separated and had loose pieces but they don’t. I do monitor the process when I have the hood open and all is good.
I had the same with the pro vent on my Pajero took it all off no worries didn’t tell the dealer they fixed all the leaks then sold the car will never run a catch can on anything
@@JebbreysJibberish Toyota or any automotive manufacturer has engineered there product I don’t think somebody comes a long and says my $300 can will save your 90,000 dollar car
Great video mate, kudos to you keeping a "cool" head about it and taking the time out to explain! I hope the big cruiser lives for many years to come! (Now Im scared to install a catch can on my 200 lol)
You think you could trust RYCO to make a product that 1. Would work. 2. Be safe to install on an engine for an extended period. I'm running the older style, vent to atmosphere in over-pressure situation genuine Mann Hummel Provent 200 on my VDJ79R & have had no issues on 80.000K's other than forking out for the initial cost & replacement filters but it was a well built Western Filters kit that fitted up perfectly. I change out the filter every 40K and take it out & clean them with brake cleaner every 10K. Consider running a E.G.R blank with 8mm hole too.
Im a Mechanic and have contacted Ryco over their filters leaking or comming loose. Ryco are denying any responsibility telling me Im not installing them correctly. Ive changed supplier about 3 years ago. Im about to remove my catch can due to oil leaks from my engine. Ill throw it at them if they don't offer me a full refund
Jebb, what a mission to get to the bottom of this. Thanks for sharing it. You say at the end of all that happened that you are doing a heap more mods. So many problems are caused by unnecessary mods, poorly installed mods, and (as appears in your case) manufactured mod parts. Sometimes unintended consequences may result from a modification. I hope any other mods go well and you get to enjoy some trouble free driving/travelling.
Thanks and yes aftermarket stuff is often the first to fail. I’ve been modifying 4wds for a very long time now and would like to think I’ve got it pretty reliable now :-) most of the mods are for camping and or ease of use. However, we know the inadequacy of the air filter box in the 200 and the way they shift gears especially under load, so those are two performance and or reliability mods that I have done.
Ryco filters are slightly undersized. Catch cans are a pyramid scheme. Jeff sounds like a true carnt. Most dealership mechanics are extremely unskilled for their trade.
Thanks for posting up your catch can info , there are too many shit cans out there and unfortunately Ryco was one of them . The other major problem was people hooking them up the wrong way around and increasing crank case pressure blowing seals. I have a Mann & Hummel 200 Provent catch can on my 2022 Prado and have had no issues , in fact after 15000km I have drained about 200ml of water and 60ml of oil that would have gone through the inlet manifold and intercooler so it seems to be doing its job.
Yep and the Ryco and Provent 200 plumb up in opposite directions. However mine was plumbed up correctly. There are people with Provents like yours that have also had similar issues especially with heavy breathing diesels like the 1VD and some of the Mitsubishis. Personally I’d take it off but that’s just me.
Even the updated Ryco 351 Catch can blew out my rocker cover seal on my 1hdfte - made contact and they said the exact same thing "Please send in for inspection". In other words stay away from Ryco catch cans all together !
I've run Ryco Catch Can products on many of my diesels, however in saying that, I've only owned and used 90s era Toyota diesels, not modern diesels like this.
I can confirm that the new Ryco catch cans do not have the check valve. I had a customer with a ZD30 with exactly same problem. Ryco would not accept any fault. After fitting the updated 351 catch can resolved the issue.
I had my ARB filter in my cruiser catch can removed l just have some steel wool in their but l need to replace a rear main seal now lm going to run it with the oil drop tap open...
As a 4x4 diesel specialist I feel for U mate . There's to many cowboys out there these days with not enough proven knowledge to save themselves. As I always say to my customers there's 3 ways to do things . 1 cheap .2 fast . 3 the correct way. Ask all the questions you can and really try your best to understand what you're asking first. If you're unsure of the answer ,ask them to explain it . If you're unhappy or still unsure of your experience, don't let them near your car .a good honest reliable mechanic will assure you and explain exactly what your spending your hard earned money on and why it is necessary. All the best for your future mods and happy holidays mate👍
Thank you.
My mechanic is in his 50s owns his own shop and employs no one
He’s not cheap but he is honest and does a great job
Too many dealers have smooth talkers at the front desk, however there is a sea of cheap inexperienced “mechanics” working on the cars!
Absolutely
I have a 2006 Hilux and my mechanic, who is my cousin's son, advised me not to fit a catch can and I've never fitted one. Good info and a great video.
Never had one on my hilux either. D4d:)
Towed a 2t van for 4mths and its still ticking along beautifully over 320k now.
Cans are a Waste of cash and hype.
If you clean and block your egr a catch can wont do anything either which is the route I'd go as long as you aren't worried about warranty
Remember the good ol’ days when crank cases would vent to atmosphere?!
My 1954 Holden FJ ute vented to engine bay & road straight out of the sidecover tube and coat the whole area with a fine mist of blowby oil preservative & rust preventor. Oil bath airfilter too was great for filtering air.
Car giant and mechanics in the same sentence, thats gold. Hell of a story , at least you got good results in the end.
Yes so it would seem 🤪
My experience of buying 17 different cars in Australia in a span of 10 years tells me to never buy a second hand car from a dealer. Never! Always buy it from a private seller, so you know who they are and how they used the car. Also, check the car before buying it, even when the car is a LC. Happy to hear that your problem is resolved now.
Yeah I have only ever bought a handful of cars from a dealer… generally out of desperation. This purchase was a self confessed lapse in judgement 🤣
Especially a LandCruiser
Lesson learned for sure.
Try running a Pro Vent from Mann and Hummel mate, you’ll not be disappointed... Western Filters uses full diameter hoses to minimise back pressure and restriction. Fitted one to my VDJ and have been very impressed!
Lol try running no catch can as the manufacturer recommends and warranties for unlimited kms in many cases maybe ..
Provent gave my 1hz trouble continue to run no filter or vent to atmosphere
I fitted a Provent 200 to my 2018 Dmax back when the ute was reasonably new. Within a couple of hundred kms it started to push oil out the rear crank seal. After contacting the supplier of the kit & reconfirming correct fitment with photos etc. they suggested removing it. Their reasoning was that the engine had a weak crank seal...hmmmm?
As soon as I took it off the leak stopped. Ute has done 60,000 kms since then without an issue. Perhaps I was unlucky? If catch cans are so essential why don’t the manufactures fit them as standard?
Felt so sorry that you had to go through all that. Glad you found a good mechanic to solve your issue. Good mechanics are like gold. I have one that has saved me thousands because of his honesty and sound logic. I will faithfully stick with him until he retires. Thanks for sharing. 🙂👍
Well. That explains why my Diesel Outlander developed a leak in the sump just after I installed a Ryco catch can. Valve comes out along with filter and it'll be replaced by a different brand. A class action against Ryco might make them behave a bit more politely.
Filter shouldn't have anything to do with it , adding a filter in line should not restrict the flow so much that you develop pressure in the Crank case . Ive seen people remove the PCV Valve and such , do a PCV delete and stuff , and then you might develop unusual engine crankcase pressures and hence leak oil , you should not remove anything from the car when installing catch can , just put it inline with a valve or a hose and then it shouldnt make problems.
The issues is with the faulty one watt valve after the filter stopping flow.
@@JebbreysJibberish It shouldn't stop flow, i dont know i didnt use it , but of course if one observer filling up too quick then obviously the system is not working .
It should catch vapors , there shouldn't be liquid oil in it in high amounts , the PCV should filter that out and release only vapors , not actual liquid oil .
I've run a provent 200 on my low kilometre 1hz turbocharged 105 series & from my experience, don't bother with any of those internal filter type catch can. If you do, you need to keep a very close eye on the filter being saturated. I've now replaced it with a HPD unit, which whilst supposedly not catching the same amount of oil, will not pressurise your engine like the filter type do. My vehicle started to weep from the rear main seal. I'm currently monitoring it & it seems to have stopped, but it's only early days, so time will tell. Your presentation was very informative, well done.
Yeah I’ve just got the Ryco can in there with no filter now. It caches a bit, but my engine still leaks slowly from the original damage after having the filter in there for less than 10,000kms! 😳😡
I have had HPD and its great. Some vapour escaping is prob good as the engineers would realise this happens but a big chunk of water vapour and oil-carbon crap does get ‘caught’. No filter to block in the HPD. No ongoing expense. Empty it regularly👍
I am a diesel mechanic ,made my own catch can for my 79 cruiser which fits down low on the chassis probably cost about $20 which is the cost of fittings with stainless scourers from Woolies no check valve no problems
Nice work.
You’re a legend for posting this.
Important information -thank you very much
Do yourself a favour and get rid of the catch can entirely, if it was necessary the manufacturer would have put it on at the factory.
Smart move not sending Ryco your catch can. Get a mechanical engineer To check your catch can then sue the arse out of Ryco. That would make a killa youtube vlog. Keep the videos coming
Check out the Bossvent catch can for the 200 series. Two filter chambers, higher flow, and a sensor that lets you know the can is full and the pressure is increasing .
I had an rcc350 on a Mercedes 3.0v6 diesel. It got blocked after 1000km. Mine didn't leak any oil, and the engine did not get damaged, but I noticed the pressure relief valve on the catch can was oily.
Took the catch can off, and tried to blow through it... Nothing. Not even a little bit of air passed. I was surprised the engine didn't get damaged and the dip stick didn't pop out.
Emailed ryco and explained what happened. And they said that the rcc351 fixes the issue. They replaced it for free for me.
Now the new catch can is working well. However, there is still a little bit of restriction. I might buy a provent soon, they seem to have much better reputation, and is worth the slightly higher price.
Very very interesting indeed.
Most heavy diesel truck engines now days run an engine breather filter ( return to sump catch can). These filters are a service item. Every oil change or Every second depending on the environment the engine is working in, the filter needs to be changed. Anytime an engine has excessive or weird uncommon oil leaks and/or running issues. The first thing that is changed is the catch can filter. . When these filters clog up they cause so much back pressure that oil get pushed out of weakess seal first , either the front/ rear mains or the rocker cover gaskets and causes more issues than without a filter.
why not a simple filter bypass?? - solves a lot of problems. -- add an indicator for service..
A filter bypass? As when the filters full it bypasses the oily gases straight into the intake, then no one would ever change the filter😂. Unfortunately thats quite difficult to design and to make reliable, good idea tho
Either have a filter and change it regularly or dont have a filter and put oily gases into the intake.
@@mattpalmer1602 . Dual filters for serial redundancy and by-passes are quite common in industrial applications for oil (critical) systems. The bypass is simple - just a pressure relief for when the filter is clogged (high resistance), add an indicator light to notify that the service life is expired.- if space allows add a smaller filter to the secondary path.
Oil through the intake is find, it’s only bad when the egr is combined, delete the egr
i had a 60 series sahara turbo diesel 5 speed manual i rebuilt the motor and gearbox and had it tuned the 12HT motor was absolutely bullet proof i thrashed the crap out of it and it never missed a beat everyone behind me was complaining about getting covered in mud well that's what happen's when you have 15psi of boost and 650NM'S OF torque 33inch mud tyres and 2wd awesome fun sadly cancer took over the body and i no longer have her and i miss her
12HTs were great motors.
you are such a level headed man,calm and pragmatic
I served my time as a heavy engine fitter/ mech at Cummins, I have rebuilt many engines 555 to 1710 cu inch
training was different in my day, I'm 76
I have no faith in kids working on my Disco 4, unfortunately, I had a stroke, so my left arm does not work, so lotsa stuff I can not do
I have never heard of a catch can
My d4 is a marvelous car , but i hate modern engines
Thank you for the kind words. Working on those old diesels would have been satisfying I imagine. Too bad about the stroke, but at least you are still around to tell us about it I suppose. I love the discos but would be too scared to own one myself.
yes, but I towed a 4000kg lathe and trailer from Sydney to Sunshine Coast with my 2010tdv6, raining down CUNNINGHAMS GAP , car was rock solid, I changed to 2016 SDV6 with 125000km on it, 255 hp 6oo nm, 8-speed zf, it is fabulous, but I nurse it and only tow van with GVM 1800 kg
very quiet mill,
I may buy an ICOM SSB just in case i do go bush, I never park in van parks, like to be alone, although I am gregarious
I had a 2000 d2 drove in Ru Ua and all over eastern Eu, slept in the forests, was I scared, yes but in those big truck stops in Ro, Bg. etc I was more scared, bandits
yes I'm ok, still operate my 4m lathe, grunter welders and design boats, but will never build again as two arms are needed for positional welding
I f you are ever up in QLD let me know eh
I do love the rovers, got a few friends with them but they can be fickle! The ICOMs are great, but now days Starlink is another very good option for remote communication. I love Queensland but it’s a loooooong old drive from WA! 😀
mate Ryco 350 killed my 4m41 perfectly running engine too. I am so upset that I had to spend 7500 dollars rebuilding it. And it is not the same. When it comes to catch cans provent200 is the only way to go and don't buy it off of eBay.
Interesting to see another one…
Finding these problems comes with experience, its one of those faults that you may not find unless you've seen it before. Glad it all worked out in the end.
I have a 2009 200 with over 400k on it and still all original everything. I also have provent catch can and have had no issues at all. At least now you know! 👍
I don't trust any mechanics. Or anyone in any job at that. Every time I pay someone to do something for me I either get ripped off or they don't do a very good job. Trust is earned from me not given.
I’m glad I’m not the only one mate. I feel exactly the same. So much so I’ve bitten the bullet and started doing basic maintenance and servicing my self which is totally out of my comfort zone. Thanks to RUclips videos explaining each job in detail.
I had decided not to put a catch can on for these reasons you mention in the video. If anything, a regular old metal can with baffles is the way to go. They use these on race cars and old 70-90's turbo cars had them. They perform adequately. I don't really care if oil vapour goes through the intake. I'd much rather clean the whole intake system out every 60-100 thousand km than worry about my catch can blocking up because of the "sludge". The sludge happens rapidly in the catch can. In the intake, it takes many, many km for that sludge to line your intake plumbing and to eventually become a problem.
Thanks for sharing your problems with the Ryco unit, at least we who've watched the video will now be more vigilant and you have helped save my customers money!
Great job, keep it up!
I would fill the catch can with the stainless steel pot scrubbers until the can is full. This effectively eliminates the filter. The stainless steel filters the oil from the fumes allowing the oil to run back to the engine. I did this with a V8 which has a can on each rocker cover and I have had a vast reduction in oil consumption.
I have had Provent catch can on my Triton and have never had an issues with oil leaks, blow by and oil consumption, but 2 months ago my cousin who has the same catch can on his T5 vw transporter noticed a major increase in oil consumption after he replaced the EGR valve, he ordered a new filter for the provent at the same time bit it was after market, we traced the oil use down to the turbo chargers seals, I talked him into cleaning the original filter and put it back into service, he used a accurate low pressure gauge to measure the differential pressure between the inlet and outlet on the catch can and came up with over 1PSI back pressure, after changing back to the standard element, the same test was carried and there was no measurable pressure drop across the catch can. do not use any other element in the provent catch can and I have had the same one for 5 years and with very careful cleaning it is still working beautifully.
The engine builder should have check the crank case pressure and the pressure drop across the catch can which would have pointed him in the right direction..
Good advice.
@@JebbreysJibberish I have spent all of my life working on high speed rotating equipment and ended up of shore as a specialist, it does not take very much to analyze a problem once you understand how it works as the method we used is in all heavy earth removing equipment where filter changes are determined by difference pressure.
Great video I think you just solved the problems I was having with my hdj100 series. Had the same ryco catch can fitted as per video, had nothing but problems rocker cover blew 2 times. Never had a problem before I put the ryco catch can on,since then have switched to a provent 200 catch can since and the car has being running like it should.
Sounds about the same as my issues!
Purchased ryco filter the other day. It did not have a sealed edge . Only use genuine Toyota filters . Retired mechanic.
I think the Provent 200 may also have had some issues on the early ones. When I ordered a new filter they asked me when I had originally installed it on my 200. They sent me a complete new catch can to install which they said had a different valve on the top. I installed the new one and have not ever had any issues, either before or after the swap over.
Very interesting indeed!
Great info. As a mechanic I've always argued that these catch cans shouldn't have filters or valves in them
I guess it much more profitable to have filters in them as the filters are 70% of the cost of the whole unit to replace !
Ryco they should at least cover half the cost of your issues at least. Well done 🕶️
Good to see a fellow bsn local on the tube. Personally fuck the catch can off and vent to atmosphere. Free rust prevention. No further issues.
The offshoot bonus of doing this is there is zero oil vapour going back thru the intake which means nothing for the EGR gas to react with to cause the sticky residual crap that blocks up intake manifolds and ports. Once you vent crankcase to atmosphere there is no need to block or delete egr to avoid the build up. Also no more oil mist inside your intercooler means it can work more efficiently 👍
Stick with the genuine equipment throughout the engine and drivetrain.
After suspect advice from an alleged mechanic i threw a 1 litre plastic bottle with foam in it on the tappet cover. Little to no oil usage and 160000klm before a complete rebuild was necessary due to ultra high klm. I even have one on my mower
The HPD billet aluminium catch can is the only thing id use.
Have one in my Prado with no problem in 2 years. No check valves and no cartridge filter, still catches heaps and no restrictions.
Had the same issue on my 2.0 Ranger.
Removed the catch can, no issues.
had the same issue on my bt50, hooked up correctly but was causing lots of restriction blew rocker cover gaskets and all, removed it and no dramas.
Thanks for a well presented video Now a couple of points and I have been running and working on Diesel engines all my life and have been running a 200 r Diesel for a while
1 blow by or excessive sump pressure will cause oil leaks easy to check loosen filler cap or pull dipstick
2 What have Toyota to say about all of this ?
3 Would running a higher viscosity oil especially when the engine gets a few ks up help ?? As the recommended 10 is very light and may be adding to the problem
3 This problem is not new ,it’s been around since they started recycling the sump fumes I’m sure some of the older blokes have experienced a slightly worn engine running away on the sump fumes ,could be a scary if not interesting 🤔 experience
No reflection on the people who were repairing your car but compression blow by test results etc should be recorded
Thanks again for your informative video first time viewer ✌🏻👍
Great info mate. Don't believe the naysayers about the LC VDJ200. Bought my VX new in 2008. Now has 325,000ks and going strong with no issues. Done alot of heavy towing with large 3 horse float with living area. Mods include Lovells GVM upgrade, Richards TC lockup with trans and ECU remap with dyno tune, HPD intercooler and catchcan and fuel pre-filter.
Haven't felt the need to replace stock exhaust as I get plenty of power. Self serviced including all fluids/filters, brakes etc.
I've replaced the water pump and radiator at the first sign of fatigue before any problems developed. Fuel injector values are like new and I can't see myself replacing it for another 100,000k or beyond. When well cared for, they're a beast of a vehicle. Best car I've ever owned.
I’ve just had to do my water pump too. You’d think they would have replaced that when doing an engine rebuild but you know…… also just put the Richards lockup in, I’m loving that!!
I hate shops, I had a load of issues with my triumph dealer for my triumph 675 motorcycle. They charged me a ton and messed up my bike and then tried to blame me for every little thing. Worst part was when it was running on 2 cylinders of 3 because the itb throttle blades were adjusted so badly. And the head mechanic said that was normal and the bike would learn around it. I had to use a thermal temp gun to prove it wasn’t using cylinder 1 until 5-6k rpm. Scored cams, pulled the plug threads out of cylinder 1, Damaged my air filter, was terrible.
The incompetence is staggering sometimes!
Thanks for the video!
Bloody hell that's an ordeal and a half. Ryco should definitely be held responsible, hopefully anyone using that catchcan has seen this video.
well explained....hindsight makes things clear.....btw I just put a Provent catch can in my 200 today....I am much more aware of what to look for....many thanks....
Yeah keep a close eye on it and empty it regularly.
i just bought a cruiser and the first thing my mechanic did was remove the catch can that was on it and replaced the original return pipe. a bit of top end lube never hurt no engine.
sorry for your troubles Mr.
I have a d4 discover, i keep the CARSOFT diagnosis in the car, plug it in every now n then, it reads cylinder data so's i can see exactly what is going on
As a very young man, I was an engineer 6000shp tug and in those engines, we read pyro on each cylinder, with very dirty tanks, despite filters we often saw one cylinder reading cold
I you have an expensive vehicle, it'd be worth getting a diagnostic tool eh? plug the bugger in before you buy.Ah just watched til the end, so, there you are Change to Fleetguard
Yeah same not issues until catch can installed soon after oil leaks from various places rear main ect
Remove at home can vented to atmosphere not a problem
They are trash bin them
Well you certainly have had a hard time with the problem you experienced common when catch cans have been hooked up with hoses back to front. I fitted a Flashlube to my 200 comes in installation kit with moulded hoses fits up very neatly. I was told to change the filler 30 k no longer experienced no issues empy the can every 5k.
Yeah my first thought was that they might have been backwards but they were installed correctly. I have something sorted and on it’s way with moulded hoses I’ll update when I get al the stuff here.
I have the same set up, a Flashlube catch can, done 150,000km with it on my 200 and not an issue, same as you I drain it frequently, and change the filter every 20K.
Thanks for posting your experience. What an emotional roller coaster for you. I am thinking I’ll be giving catch cans a miss on my diesel vehicle.
After seeing what’s coming out of the RCC351 can I’d still consider it, even if you just go a provent. The sludge in there looks like vegimite even after 500kms!
That’s amazing! I’ve actually got a Ryco catch can. I’m off to check now!
this is very interesting, i also bought a ryco can the 351k back in December 2020 and i noticed, the same issues i was getting oil leakage from the front of the motor somewhere and also out of the dip stick.. i was so annoyed i threw that garbage ryco can out and put a provent 200 in, and its been good so far...
I had similar oil leak problems from the injector seals on my R51 which I purchased second hand a few years ago.
After some research I replaced the catch can which was fitted when I bought it with a ProVent 200 and all my oil leaks went away.
I had 1984 Mitsubishi 18 years old with less blowby.
Thanks for sharing. The only way to stop this sort of suspect engineering is to share your experience so others can be informed.
Here in the states, we don't get the Toyota diesels but we do have diesels in other rigs that have similar issues with plugged or otherwise ineffective crankcase vent systems. If you want to see a helluva mess, talk to truckers about plugged crankcase vent filters on a Cummins ISX. Imagine what a gallon of oil looks like all over a hot engine, no bueno.
I correctly diagnosed the prob when I saw the blow by from the filler cap!
The title "was it the catch can" was a very strong clue!
High crankcase pressure is a prime cause of all your issues...well not the oily door!
Ryco filters..if you look up filter comparrisons on RUclips Ryco usually come last!
Crikey mate. To hell and back. Sorry this happened and thanks for drawing our attention to Ryco.
I've just ordered the provent 200 for my cruiser as it's the only brand I trust.
Hope all goes well now mate.
Hi mate, i feel your pain 💯 as someone who has clients with national fleets, and a landcruiser owner, my first thoughts were “dusted ex mines vehicle”, then when i saw your catch can i thought “too small” you need a provent 200 (not the 100!). Very informative video mate. These vehicles are tops, you just need to be an owner who doesnt get jerked around by aftermarket crap. Ive seen where me hanics have fitted a catch can back to front with disasterous results
It's funny you mention the issue with the ryco. I had issues with mine too. I have since sold the car but haven't refitted it to the new one due to the issues. Think I'll just avoid it and do an egr delete. If the turbos go on the future I'll just replace them with g- turbos 😁
I have a Provent 200 fitted to Patrol with no problems at all. I simply drain it every couple of thousand kilometres in accordance with advice from Berrima Diesel. If the catch can fills, the pressure and oil have nowhere to go other than the filler cap or the dipstick. I believe that this is why some engines fitted with catch cans blow. I am sorry to hear of your experience(s).
Diesel Care in Toowoomba have heaps of vehicles coming in to get the catch can fitted. A lot from the mining areas from Roma and Chinchilla. I also have one fitted to my 2019 Triton has 50,000 so far no problems just drain every 5,000 and a new filter every 70,000.
Great work, good to see its going well now, I stopped using Ryco fitters and gear years ago as had them bugger up
RYCO 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 order a provent catch can kit from western filters. Glad all worked out in the end 👍
This is a great story. For some reason it has become crucial to fit catch cans to modern CRD engines, (and extra fuel filters). I have run a 2014 200 series since new with no catch can, no extra fuel filter, and it runs beautifully. I can’t help but think of the old saying - “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it…” Thanks for sharing your story, and I’m happy for you that this sorry saga seems to be finally at an end!
After doing a $2000 fuel pump due to water contamination on my old TD42, a second fuel filter was something I fitted to that even though it was an old school diesel.
Holy shit, compile all of the emails, letters and etc and see a solicitor.
Personally I have never used a catch can and have certainly seen channels like 4wd 24/7 talk about how good they are. I have heard nothing but horror stories about them. None of my cars have ever had a catch can and never had an issue
Best wishes
The pro vents are safe to use. Ive had one on my 2018 hilux since new and its never had an issue.
I’m running a flashlube catch can on my 2014 GXL no issues 👍
Allan Grey from Terrain Tamer who's been building and repairing LC since the early days. Recommend Flash Lube Catch Can. I've been running one for about 6yrs now and had no issues. And there's hi flow can cans out there for V8s.
a sorry tale, thanks for the heads up.
glad I procrastinated and did'nt fit a catch can to my car.
I still think they are a good idea. But I’m much more wary of them. I will be keeping a very close eye on the new one.
Hey mate just giving my 2 cents worth I would remove the catch can all together install a egr blanking plate and just turn it off on the ecu and your car will never have an issue again the car needs the oil to lubricate the head just not the exhaust gases 👍
Sorry to hear of your nightmares Of course there's no problem with a 351, ask your man in Bussleton he will agree. Great Ford engine.
Daughter bought a y62, just puts petrol in and does regular oil changes. Brilliant vehicle.
Regards Steve.
Good info, I don't use any Ryco products but everything Toyota and the dealer is no more expensive. Bet you were relieved when they worked out the problem. Thanks again.
I used provent catch can with relief valves on my 200 series and it won’t pressurised the motor.
The Ryco has a relief valve too but it never showed any signs of having opened.. I can only assume the restrictions from the check valve are not continuous enough or severe enough to trigger it but are enough over time to cause damage. From what I read, and would seem consistent with my last oil leak it seems the restrictions get worse at higher rpm.
Im on my second cruiser, sold my first one with 330k no issues - no mods. Its still going good as i know the person who bought it.
Current cruiser newer model with all the mods, catch can, secondary fuel filter etc...since I had secondary fuel filter installed i had alot of trouble with the car running rough or not starting. Caused me alot of headaches as I couldn’t find what the problem is. Forums didnt help much, every one kept suggesting injectors, engine cooked etc...
After many weeks of headaches a backyard mechanic found a leak in fuel lines connected to secondary fuel filter - problem solved!
I dont know why alot of people are quick to point to the worst possible outcomes such as injectors are bad, engine is cooked etc? I have a feeling that if you ask why the tyre is flat someone is going to suggest to check injectors! Lol.
Sometimes you just get unlucky with the simplest of the mods and worst is when even a professional mechanics cant find a solution for such a simple problem.
Yes, some very dodgy mechanics out there, some of them even work for major dealers. Had an issue with my centre diff light coming on in my 200. When the light was on it meant I could not engage low range or cruise control. Took it to the dealer where I bought it from, the "Service Adviser" called me later to say they could find no problem, so I went back to pick it up. Light was out, which is what it did when it was stopped and restarted whilst warm, but when I asked the "service adviser" what I should do if the event re-occurs he suggested removing the light !!!! I kid you not. Never been back to the same dealer since. Took the 200 to another branch of the same company when the issue did re-occur and the work-shop manager found the issue, within 30 minutes, a $3K part, an actuator in the transmission.
All I can suggest to 200 series owners is that they regularly engage the low range and listen for the definite clunk when it engages, it helps to keep the actuator functioning.
I got provent catch can from western filters .
I made my own catch can out of a few plumbing bits from a hardware store and some stainless steel wool and a couple of scotchbright pads.
Works very well keeps the intake from sootting up.
But after a long haul trip towing a heavy trailer there was oil all over the back of the vehicle and on the trailer.
After a short bit of panic and a hunt for oil leaks I found that I didn’t do the drain plug on the catch can up properly.
It really doesn’t take much oil to make a horrible mess , it took less than half a litre to move the oil level from just above the half way point between the notches to the top notch which is only slightly more than normal usage.
Yeah I was freaking off to when it was leaking out around the injectors, drove home 300kms stopping every 50kms and barely used any oil. My biggest concern was catching fire as it was pouring all over the dump pipe!
@@JebbreysJibberish .
You can make your own filters out of scrubbing pads and wire wool.
The purpose of catch cans on diesels is not to catch oil but to keep it out of the intake not having the filters in reduces the effectiveness of this purpose.
I’ve got the RCC351 installed now. Ryco sent me the updated model. Got a video on that and will upload a new one soon with the comparison of both catch cans and filters as I had them side by side.
as a 2014 gxl owner, i was horrified to watch this. good thing you got a result.
if u need to pull out the filter and cant replace it, just put somemetal scourer, scrubber stuff, works a lot better than nothing
OEM filters. Change fluids when they are dirty not by a set interval yet with a max milage such as 6,000kms. Short drives or long drives in dusty/harsh environments require more often oil changes. Catch can with a filter are not a go. Use a catch can with screens, such as the HPD catch can. With proper gear and maintenance the diesel should last 500,000+kms. I have opened up 1HDFTE engines with 250,000kms with everything on the bottom end still within specs. The heads just get clogged up with soot and gunk due to the EGR systems.
We have 3 diesels, all with provents. We also had weeping problems on a Pajero and a Renault master van. Van is old so really didn't want the cost of doing rear main, rocker, injector seals. So been nursing it. Changed provent filter on each during service and ALL weeping issues are gone. Oils usage and catch can collection reduced. Will be doing provent filter every second service now.
Just came across this video. Sorry to hear of this ordeal! Ive had my 2013 lc 200 since new and from the comments and your experience will definitely never fit a catch can.
Great analysis. I bought a Provent copy for my 200, studied it and got cold feet at the check valve and flow path. This LandCruiser is called 200 because over 200 engineers design them so if a Catch can is good then why doesn't Toyota fit, or even offer it as accessory. I've cleaned its gunk from EGR + PCV vapour mixing, but diesels benefit from oily vapour intake air for some upper cyl lube. Amazing is this mix does not clog the intercooler. Happy you have solved it.
It’s not the oil that’s a problem and it’s not the egr valve that’s the problem it’s the oil vapour entering the inlet manifold when the egr valve is open and the the oily air mixes with the soot from the open egr valve that creates a paste that gets baked on to the inside of the manifold, inlet ports and valve stems. It the keeps building up over a long period of time until it eventually restricts the motor. Also the egr valve is only open within specific values that a lot of vehicles may not experience. Eg when the engine is at WOT or under load the valve closes. It’s mainly open at low to mid throttle position with light engine load like short tips to the shops or work. So if you’re using your car mainly for towing the van on long trips or are doing a lot of highway miles it may never have a problem. None of the 4x4 car makers that I know of fit catch cans including Mitsubishi yet Mitsubishi light trucks have a catch can as standard. My 2020 Sahara is our only car so it does a lot of short trips so I fitted a pro vent to it a week after I bought it. At around $300 it’s cheap piece of mind and insurance for me. Cheers Stuart
Great comment, thank you!
A friend of mine put a HPD catch can in his and has had no problems so far. I have a Provent, they are pricey but awesome.
The provent is cheaper than the Ryco. But yeah they seem to be the way to go.
You can put stainless steel scrubbing wool inside the catch can to work as a filter medium, it is extremely open but will catch a good amount without being to restrictive.
Great idea!
@@JebbreysJibberish I have a provent catch can similar to the Repco and the filters are too expensive for what they are IMO, I remember seeing videos of people putting the stainless steel wool pads in their cheap empty ones like you mentioned in the video so I tried that.
I used 2 (they come in 2 packs at Woolworths and I spread them out a bit so they had a little tension on the side of the can.
I’m sure it won’t filter out like the original but it’s less restrictive which is not necessarily a bad thing
What about it getting into the air intake? Do you think that’s a possibility?
@@JebbreysJibberish highly doubt it, it is not the fine type like you get with the ones that have the soap on them.
I did inspect if they separated and had loose pieces but they don’t.
I do monitor the process when I have the hood open and all is good.
I’ve one. Seems a lot of people commenting that they’ve done the same. 👍
I have a pro vent 200 man and humle catch can on my Triton MR for the last 100K and it works beautifully and keeps my intake clean .
Thanks, mate, great info. I nearly bought one of these once but they were out of stock. lucky me.
I had the same with the pro vent on my Pajero took it all off no worries didn’t tell the dealer they fixed all the leaks then sold the car will never run a catch can on anything
Yeah I’m starting to feel the same, I see the reasons for them but it’s the quality control that worries me.
@@JebbreysJibberish Toyota or any automotive manufacturer has engineered there product I don’t think somebody comes a long and says my $300 can will save your 90,000 dollar car
You should watch my video on are engineers always right 👍😃
@@JebbreysJibberish I will give you that one
I had an unused Provent knock off. Read the mesh filter was not so good. Replaced it with a Provent style filter. Works fine
Put the breather into the chassis and block the fitting on the intake 😃👍old school
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Great result, i was actually gutted for ya, glad it's all sorted.
Great video mate, kudos to you keeping a "cool" head about it and taking the time out to explain! I hope the big cruiser lives for many years to come! (Now Im scared to install a catch can on my 200 lol)
I've got a Mann and Hummel Provent 200 on my 200 Series. No problems if fitted correctly (as per fitting instructions).
You think you could trust RYCO to make a product that 1. Would work. 2. Be safe to install on an engine for an extended period. I'm running the older style, vent to atmosphere in over-pressure situation genuine Mann Hummel Provent 200 on my VDJ79R & have had no issues on 80.000K's other than forking out for the initial cost & replacement filters but it was a well built Western Filters kit that fitted up perfectly. I change out the filter every 40K and take it out & clean them with brake cleaner every 10K. Consider running a E.G.R blank with 8mm hole too.
Im a Mechanic and have contacted Ryco over their filters leaking or comming loose.
Ryco are denying any responsibility telling me Im not installing them correctly. Ive changed supplier about 3 years ago.
Im about to remove my catch can due to oil leaks from my engine. Ill throw it at them if they don't offer me a full refund
What jerks. I know the feeling, sucks when companies could not give a. Enjoy the camping.
Damn. Good info to keep in the back of my mind.
Not all mechanics are equal, and not all catch cans are equal.
From fitting ALOT of these in my time, HPD and process west are the way to go.
Hey mate, I've been researching catch cans for my 2020 79 series. Flashlube Catch Can Pro has very good reviews, what do you think of them?
Jebb, what a mission to get to the bottom of this. Thanks for sharing it. You say at the end of all that happened that you are doing a heap more mods. So many problems are caused by unnecessary mods, poorly installed mods, and (as appears in your case) manufactured mod parts. Sometimes unintended consequences may result from a modification. I hope any other mods go well and you get to enjoy some trouble free driving/travelling.
Thanks and yes aftermarket stuff is often the first to fail. I’ve been modifying 4wds for a very long time now and would like to think I’ve got it pretty reliable now :-) most of the mods are for camping and or ease of use. However, we know the inadequacy of the air filter box in the 200 and the way they shift gears especially under load, so those are two performance and or reliability mods that I have done.
Ryco filters are slightly undersized.
Catch cans are a pyramid scheme.
Jeff sounds like a true carnt.
Most dealership mechanics are extremely unskilled for their trade.
Thanks for posting up your catch can info , there are too many shit cans out there and unfortunately Ryco was one of them . The other major problem was people hooking them up the wrong way around and increasing crank case pressure blowing seals. I have a Mann & Hummel 200 Provent catch can on my 2022 Prado and have had no issues , in fact after 15000km I have drained about 200ml of water and 60ml of oil that would have gone through the inlet manifold and intercooler so it seems to be doing its job.
Yep and the Ryco and Provent 200 plumb up in opposite directions. However mine was plumbed up correctly. There are people with Provents like yours that have also had similar issues especially with heavy breathing diesels like the 1VD and some of the Mitsubishis. Personally I’d take it off but that’s just me.
Even the updated Ryco 351 Catch can blew out my rocker cover seal on my 1hdfte - made contact and they said the exact same thing "Please send in for inspection". In other words stay away from Ryco catch cans all together !
Hmm had a couple say this now… did you put another brand in it just remove it all together?
I've run Ryco Catch Can products on many of my diesels, however in saying that, I've only owned and used 90s era Toyota diesels, not modern diesels like this.
I can confirm that the new Ryco catch cans do not have the check valve. I had a customer with a ZD30 with exactly same problem. Ryco would not accept any fault. After fitting the updated 351 catch can resolved the issue.
I now have the 351 installed. Fingers crossed!
Thanks for the comprehensive, considered run down, and glad you made it out the other side 👍🏻
I had my ARB filter in my cruiser catch can removed l just have some steel wool in their but l need to replace a rear main seal now lm going to run it with the oil drop tap open...
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