I agree about different markets. Skx has become an icon for WIS who knows the historical significance , the new fives are targeted toward much larger mainstream buyers who mainly buy watch based on name recognition and looks and don't go into depths of history/ISO that WIS do. They would find hacking and see through case back more important vs ISO/hx..two different buywrs
I love my skx007/009 with its jingle jangle jubilee. So comfortable on the wrist, like a pair of old slippers. I've often been tempted to swap for a "higher qualilty, more substantial " bracelet then remember how incredibly comfortable and good looking the stock jubilee truly is. The Skx is beloved for what it offers : a genuine tool watch, 200m, ISO certification not just depth rating but also shock resistance and high build quality all for very little money. That's the charm of the SKX for many enthusiasts.
Agree, I find older bracelets like the sxk007 and vintage hollow Rolex Jubilee lot more comfortable vs the new jubilee/oyster on my newer rolexes. Doesn't feel or look nearly as solid or well made but so much more comfortable, and truer vintage vibe/charm/overall package Also agree with charm of skx, it's not about objective hacking this, sapphire that, it's about the overall feel/emotion conveyed by the watch.
Michael Riera I enjoyed the cheapo jubilee as well. If you’re looking for something really cool try thestrap code Angus Jubilee… not cheep but it is the Best bracelet out there, And they have one that’s designed just for the SKX. I also have one on a very thick shark mesh bracelet with a great clasp. Pick that one up on eBay for 20 bucks… Liked it so much I bought another right away to keep it in storage for another diver one day. Cheers
Chin Yoon hacking doesn’t matter… You’re right… When the tolerance is our plus and minus what they are… So you get it set to the second and one week later it’s five minutes off… Kind of pointless… Sapphire crystal would’ve been great…I wore my SKX’s on the Jubilee for a long time before changing them out. Took away the screw down crown? That’s a security that should be on any sports watch… And the tooling was already there to continue with the screw down crown… It was part of the machining process already…So they took it away purposefully…
@@JohnBuckmaster-sw3wm I fully agree John. I have the Angus J Louis on my SRPA21 Prospex X, PADI Pepsi Turtle and it is stunning. By far the most comfortable and good looking watch in my collection. I would suggest the Angus over the Super J Louis any time. A few dollars more but you get what you pay for and you NEVER have to second guess yourself every time you buckle up.
I have never owned SKX but I have purchased the new Seiko 5 version but in green after seeing it in a sale. I purchased mine here in the UK for £180. I really like the watch tbh it's comfortable on the wrist and the bracelet is good quality. A few weeks ago I purchased a two tone dress KX for £170 also in a sale at the same Seiko retailer, a really nice watch which can be worn with almost anything really. Thanks for your video.
nice first comparison head to head....still lust for skx007 and NOT the new 5. Thanks Ivan...one of the best watch reviewer channels which hasn't fallen to being a watch selling huckster. Cheers mate.
Jake Rockwell yep...Have the 007 and they 009. Added a sapphire crystal both and put them on some really cool bracelets...I have too many watches but there are two of my favorites. Can’t stand what Seiko did to these...If you’re going to make a diver make a diver… There’s no such thing as a sports watch diver… Taking away that screw down crown is the kicker… A sports watch should have a screw down Crown period. Cheers
The irony is if you are going to do some serious swimming, snorkelling and are a watch enthusiast, you'll probably pop on a cheap, 200m casio, just in case.😀
I just purchased (days ago) a barely used skx007J with jubilee bracelet. Donning it on my wrist just has the x factor feel that im wearing a piece of history and class. Ive only really gotten into watches within the past year and I'm glad I did. Im also shocked Seiko went for a display caseback on the new "diver". Function and form, over just form and show. Great review man
Thanks. Nothing wrong at all with the 4r35/36… they are proving to be reliable and of course very serviceable, now having a track record >10 years. In fact there are many who have opted to upgrade older 7s to that.
After how long would the SRPD no longer be safe to swim with? Three years? Would it be cheaper to replace the watch, or have someone change the o-rings and pressure test it?
No one really knows, Seiko don’t promise anything Cheaper to test
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5kx line has nothing to do with the original skx..and I'm not talking about the specs, but also about the design, the dial etc. The new 5kx line is just a pale copy of the skx, you cannot compare the them. Seiko skx is a very good investment. You will be able to buy a new old stock skx for a few thousand in a few years...if you can find one of course. Nothing that came out on the market from Seiko in recent years or other models are like skx..whatever some say. It is already considered vintage since was produced from 1996, but they are also rare because no one really sells the SKX007 anymore, being very collectible. It will be quite difficult to catch an unmodified skx in the next years. I personally just bought 3 new old stock from an individual who had 6 skx007, brand new, $240 each. When I called to get more...they were already sold... Wait 5 years from now...people will be able to trade a nos skx..for a Rolex. Why? Because Rolex is still produced...while Skx is no longer produced and has become a classic neo-vintage tool.
The 5kx line has a LOT to do with the SKX on a superficial design and appearance basis…. But not the specs. What you mean is: you think you will be able to trade an SKX for a current model Rolex in 5 years time (as you almost certainly know, there are MANY Rolex models no longer produced)… but you would be wrong there. NOS SKX will appreciate in value for sure, but not to $10k each. Not in 5 years.
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remember this comment, and see the prices of nos skx in 5 years😉
I have both. I've never understood why people dont like the oem "grains of rice" bracelet on the skx. I find it very comfortable because it has that extra flexibility.
It’s not a beads of rice bracelet. People don’t like it because it has a very cheap pressed metal construction to it… it serves its function but there is no doubt it’s cheap and nasty.
Water resistance rating is one thing but real world performance is another thing. While I would agree that for both hydrostatic and hydrodynamic pressure, the presentation case back would most likely fail with less pressure, the screw down crown would not necessarily be a factor. I have spent a lifetime in the field of Oceanography, designing, fabricating and deploying very sophisticated equipment for hundreds of metres depth. In the case of sealing, it all depends on whether a compressed gasket or a properly designed and fabricated O-ring is used. The sealing principle is totally different between the two. Most people with the screw down crown craze must realize that while it may possible improve the water resistance integrity, it is mostly intended to prevent the crown from being inadvertently pulled out under water. Even if it is, a proper captive O-ring on the stem or stem sleeve will guarantee water resistance. The deeper it goes the better it will seal due to pressure..
Thanks for sharing your expertise Kevin. That’s all true in my understanding. In reality, with time the integrity of parts change and I would still choose not to go underwater with a watch like the 5KX, especially after it’s a few years old. With the SKX, experience tells that the water resistance lasts.
I personally like both and agree with the score becoming even! The skx used prices are going up to crazy levels, and surprisingly, the opersites can be said for their replacements ? Either way, you can't go wrong with these as daily wearers? If you can live with possibly plus/ minus 45 secs a day?
Good one Ivan! The SRPD seems like a good everyday watch. This is available for roughly 220USD with a dealer discount today. I am really confused, do you suggest any alternatives(apart from the Orients)?
Got the srpd61k1 green , the price seems to be coming down a bit now. Paid £189 Inc a 10% code , down from £260. Wouldn't have went anywhere near them without a discount or price drop. £189 takes it well into the normal ( for the UK ) Seiko 5 price range.
@@saintdave1877 do share your experience with the watch. A better introductory pricing for the SRPD would have helped build a positive perception, it had to take too much bashing ;)
@@sree87523 I really like mines , Sreedhar , the colour seems to change from a vivid green to a almost black depending on the light , the lume is Seiko good. It's a little on the tall side and the bracelet is decent but not great , like most midrange Seikos I suppose. Accuracy wise it's about 6 seconds a day fast , setting it by atomic clock UK. I can't compare it to the skx though because I've never had one and by the time I became interested they were more than £300 , now even higher. All round good watch I would say.
Well I pretty much agree, except for I would have given more points to the movement section for the 5kx.and less points to the SKX in the performance factor. I thought it was always over hyped. And less points in the performance factor for the SKX also, let's be honest hardly anyone goes CLOSE TO THE 200M RATING.
@@PerthWAtch Oops 😂😂👍 I probably would have give 1 less point for the value rating then... 😂 I think the Seiko 5 version should have won by 1 or 2 points at least in my opinion.. Thanks for the video! 👍👍
From the perspective of a diver the old model wins hands down. But who’s using this watch as diver anymore? Most of them are desk or field divers. And from that perspective the new one wins due to the upgraded caliber, see-thru case back, applied indices and new bracelet.
I don't think it is fair to penalize the newer watch with the display case back. No integrate issue there at all. If the crystal is able to be on the watch front, it should be good enough for the back.
Beng Chiat Seah the displayback makes it one and a half millimeters thick...I have 3 SKX’s And they’re quite thick already… The movement is really nothing to look at…
@Beng Chiat Seah; I agree 100% the Seiko 5 isn't going to be used underwater anyway. So, as I see it exhibition case back just adds a nice touch to the new watch. Face it guys, I'll bet not 1 in 10 of you go deep sea diving with the SKX007. These (and all tool watches) are more of a statement piece than an actual "Tool" (Disclaimer; lest I get beat up in the comments,LOL... In MOST cases!)
Ivan I still like the old 007, yes it's still selling for stupid money but it's just got something that the new one hasn't. I do like the new ones bracelet better though. 👍
Cracking comparison brother....Both are perfectly good watches, tried and tested movements....perhaps the question is out of however many millions of the 007/9 sold how many really went diving....the movement upgrade is still an old movement, albeit both are very reliable....my only issue is the price, if they kept it the same I'd be perfectly happy....⌚🏴⌚🏴
Prices are coming down here mate and take advantage of the 10% email discounts from the big jewellers too 👍🏴 In fact you only need to mention about the 10% , I've never had to prove it 🤣
Regardless of the death rating, Taking away the screw down crown was pointless. They were already toured up producing the case with a screw down crown so they had to purposefully take it away. Water rating is zero if you accidentally don’t push in the crown or knock it in the crown pulls out to the first position. Any sports watch should have it
Good review. Bought a new SKX009K2 last fall and have yet to wear it. Was going to Mod it and then Seiko discontinued them. Now don't know if I should hold it for sale later and buy the new watch or go ahead and Mod this one with new crystal, movement, bezel insert and bracelet. Thoughts?
Thanks for that Jim - oh that is a tough question to answer! But I would lean toward selling for potential profit and getting a new one to mod... that way you also start with the newer movement right off the bat.
I own Seikos which I have not modded. I also own Vostoks which I have. They are cheap to buy and mod. I can't imagine the cash invested when you do a full mod on a new Seiko. Don't get me wrong, I dig them a lot but I'm thinking you can buy a serious diver for what you have into one. JMHO
@@bking12762 The price is a problem but if I'm keeping the watch I can live with it. I do the mod myself so no labor charge. Still it's easy to get another $200 in a $200 watch and then you have to ask why not just buy a $400 watch to begin with.
Great review. Comparing the dials of the two, is there any difference in the richness of the black? I appreciate the applied indices of the SRPD, and if it had a "darker" dial it would pop more.
Sam King Most of them have a Sunburst affect… One is Matt black… None of them compare to the former SKX. Biggest gripe… They took away the screw down crown which was already part of the machining process… The tooling was already in place to continue doing that to the case… So they Took it away purposefully… Any sports watch… Diver or not… Should have a screw down crown… It’s a fashion watch now.
It’s not just about diving - push crown rated at 100m won’t hold up over time. Fine if all you do is wash hands or occasionally dash in the rain. Not fine if you want to keep it on every time you swim.
@@PerthWAtch Fair point, but screw down crowns aren't great either, you can have issues with the threads, can't screw in properly. I would never take a 100m watch even swimming anyway, not worth the risk.
Hi mate, I have just started watching your videos , don’t know why, but I didn’t think you would actually be from Perth 😂 (I am as well). Anyway I was going to get a 007 last year but talked myself out of it, now I’m kicking myself as prices have gone through the roof 🤦🏽♂️, do you think they are still worth it ($500) ?
Hey there, always good to hear from a local :) Personally I wouldn’t pay $500 for one… there’s many other alternative choices out there, including the Long Island watch version, not to mention also San Martin homages.
Having had both I can no longer agree on the bezel not having the luminous point and it not having markings all around is a disadvantage. Maybe if you do really use them for diving, I reckon that 1 of every 1000 buyers might actually do so. But if used as normal, sporty everyday watch, the version without the markings all around simply looks cleaner and just better. Likewise, the luminous dot made the old one look strange in the dusk. So, it's a disadvantage in the video ( as stuff has been 'taken away' ), but in reality it's an advantage. Likewise with the reduction to 100m water resistance. Yes, ok, mark it down, BUT - like 999 out of 1000 buyers of this specific watch won't ever use that feature, so be mindful of how important something like this actually is to the target audience. When, at the end of the day, one watch looses to the other in points achieved in total, just remember that some of the points literally do not matter at all for the 'normal' user of these watches. Oh, and diving being a rather expensive hobby - meaning you must have certain means to participate in it - I must add that out of the few 'real' divers I know, noone would be seen dead in the water with an automatic for 250 bucks. My point: Too much diver-centric wishwash in reviews of these watches when in actuality I do not believe that a lot of people buying these specific watches at these price points care about that at all. And if you cared for 200m water resistance, you wouldn't buy in this price range is my opinion. But that's no knock at all, as I said, I owned both of them and they are beautiful watches. Got the Sports 5 with the new gunmetal bracelet, it's an absolute stunner to me.
Mate, the SKX is ISO 6425 compliant - that’s something Rolex and just about any Swiss brand you can think of don’t bother to comply with. $250 or not, it is dive fit. The reality of the dot not being there being an advantage is just your opinion. I think it’s a disadvantage hence my comments. Opinion or not, the SKX bezel can be used to time in the dark, the 5KX cannot - case closed! As for water resistance, I wouldn’t trust snorkelling or skin diving with the 5KX given 100m and non-screw crown. It’s not about static water resistance… it’s the dynamic spikes in pressure with motions that will kill it. That’s why if you’re gonna water ski (yet never go below 2m underwater) a 200m rated watch is recommended.
@@PerthWAtch Yeah of course it's just an opinion, just like every statement in my post is nothing but my opinion. Thanks for answering, my point was never that one watch isn't clearly better than the other in a specific field, my point was that this specific field isn't that interesting for what I believe to be the target audience of the watches. Still, nice video and everything, at the end of the day most of this stuff comes down to personal preference. Both watches are nice value for the money nonetheless, just missing a sapphire crystal to be top dogs in the category of automatic divers with a daydate complication for under 300 bucks.
The 5kx feels like those chronometer watches with fake pushers. They look like a chronometer but they arent. The 5kx looks like a diver, but it isnt. The SRPE is basically the same watch as this 5kx but that one makes way more sense to me. You get the same water resistance, movement, crownposition, BUT you wont get a "dive" bezel. Makes more sense imo
Anyway ... replacing the aluminum insert bezel is an operation that must be done sooner or later, either because it is too damaged with use, or to switch to the ceramic lumed ... now and choose the one from the SKX.
I think if prices go below $200 and mod for screw down crown, sapphire crystal and bezel upgrade doesn’t bring it above $250 - that’ll be much more tenable!
I'll personally keep my Skx007 with the ISO 6425 diver's rating. That means EACH one is pressure tested to 25% above its depth rating. It's a true icon that was made from '96-'19 and funny enough because of the new release of these Seiko 5s, doesn't have a dated look and is still a relevant design. It's got retro and modern coexisting together. If that matters to anyone... I'd still love the watch even if Seiko retired that particular case design. The 7S26 is a bullet-proof movement that has been discontinued. Sure, it doesn't hack or handwind but the second hand can be "hacked" by turning the crown counterclockwise and it takes a few shakes to get it going if it's stopped, as opposed to unscrewing the crown and winding it, NBD to me. Just a few thoughts about it...
Thanks for sharing the thoughts - the ISO divers rating does feature a whole barrage of tests and is indeed reassuring of durability. The manual wind function in updated movements (eg. 4R35) give the option to wind it that way. You don’t have to do that of course… you can still pretend it doesn’t manual wind and just shake the watch to get it going ;)
Thanks for the video! Personally I'd knock off a point off the Seiko 5 brand score for that S/5 hybrid snake-looking logo. Doesn't work for me, and reminds me of the Pulse Secure VPN client logo.
Just picked up the new one for under 250. Especially considering inflation since the skx007 was out I feel like the value is pretty balanced now. Thank you for the great review!
The "5" on the dial to me is a downgrade. A seiko 5 will always be a Seiko 5. A non watch enthusiast will always see Seiko 5 as a lower brackets of Automatic watches. Plus, SKX has a better resell value nowadays since the model was discontinued.
Apart from the ISO water resistance, the SRPB is the better spec watch. But we’re buying the SKX for the nostalgia, not the spec. It’s like trying to compare a vintage Rolex with a modern Rolex.
No that’s just wrong. The water rating is a big thing, and not to mention also that the newer one is not even a dive watch and has inferior lume. Your analogy using Rolex is invalid - a modern Submariner is better than the vintage in *every* way. Not so this Seiko pair.
@@PerthWAtch I don't think seiko is making much profit on this one, rather it has become a brand introduction over time. I think it just wasn't possible to improve the SKX without removing it from ISO6425 ... and that's what they did.
They did it primarily for profits... particularly if you look on the bigger scale of where there ranges are heading. It is totally possibly to improve on the SKX... just look at what others have done, including Long Island. Seiko will do so themselves when they reissue this with fully modernised specs, for over $1000. Or perhaps much more if they make it “limited edition”.
To be honest I prefer the new one (aside from the bezel insert) I'm not planning on diving at anytime and 100m is more than adequate for a dip in the pool..
Hmmm. I am watching these 2 watches and thinking about which is better/nicer. I dont know skx is awesome watch. But for me the new one is simpler and watch to where every day. They have smaller dots inside, i like that they have dots from 0 to 20 outside of watch, dont know how that is called, and logo Seiko isnt printed like skx have. The last transparent side of the clock that shows how the clock works, you look at the heart of the clock. I would probably buy a new one before the old one.
They are similar yet different. The newer one has the same looks but more styling, applied indices, display back to see the movement, and a better bracelet. The allure of the older one remains that great original design, and the simple beauty of an unpretentious product in which form follows function, that of a purpose made dive capable watch
I own an SKX007J1 which a watchmaker modded with a new sapphire crystal, 4r36 movement and the Super Oyster bracelet. With the modifications done the watch became a perfect timepiece, at least for me. Having said that I feel the new SRPD lineup should have been what my watch has become. Shame they had to downgrade the case just to boost the sales of the Prospex lineup.
@@PerthWAtch I opted not to because I wanted to keep the original look of the watch. It's been a year and for a daily I still haven't managed to scratch the bezel insert.
@@MrAmnongoull I see what you mean. I haven't opened the modding can of worms myself... do they not make a ceramic bezel that looks the same as the original SKX insert?
@@PerthWAtch There are some that come close to the OEM insert and there are others that completely alter the look of the watch, but as far as I know there are no ceramic/sapphire inserts that copy the original.
The SRPD with an ISO dive cert would no longer be a Seiko 5 and would cost much more than the sub $200 watch you can get now. Otherwise, they'd be undercutting their own products (Prospex) and that literally makes no sense.
now the SKX costs 900-1000€ cause it got discontinued 😂 crazyy hahah i have a modificated skx with ceramic bezzel and saphire glas.. i guess i can sell it now for 1300 -1500€ 😂
@@PerthWAtch Yeah, listening again, I now understand that you were speaking in the past tense... but why? You're doing a head to head comparison of two watches that are currently available to purchase, but using the historical low price of one vs the current price of the other? I would think that in a head to head comparison, you would use the current prices of both watches when talking about price at the beginning of the comparison and later, when judging value.
Taking that view this comparison should not be done at all as the SKX has been discontinued and all current stock is NOS, and prices have gone up due to this - i.e. artificially inflated. I preferred to use the price that most people would've purchased the SKX for, which was the case until early 2019.
Nothing about my point suggests that any head to head between these two watches is invalid. I just think it's a peculiar use of criterion. It limits its relevance to those who purchased the SKX over a year ago and to those who haven't bought the SRPD up to this point or those who have who paid close to msrp, while ignoring the many who paid
dParis eBay for 240… Prices coming back down now. You can get it for about 210 with the rubber bracelet and add a Jubilee from strap code for 60 bucks...Best bracelet money can buy and especially fitted for the SKX
The aging SKX as a diver's watch (7S26) overshadowed Seiko's flagship models. As it is a commercial success, instead of simply making it disappear, the company decided to improve it (4R36 movement, pierced horn, lume applied) which allowed it to declassify it as a diving watch and revitalize the watch. segment of the seiko 5 at the same time. No longer classified as a diving watch it was possible to remove the screwed crown (which is an advantage for a sports and work watch) and to add an elegant transparent cover to the back. The company did not save: the savings realized by the withdrawal of the ISO6425 standard were reinvested directly in its improvement. PS- I wear an SKX 24 hours a day.
That doesn’t make sense - the movement and the case back does not dictate whether a watch can be ISO 6425 or not. The decision to withdraw the ISO compliance has nothing to do with those factors, and there is nothing elegant about a case back showing a plain ebauche movement like the ones in here. Seiko did this for profits and they have done so successfully, let’s not pretend otherwise.
@@PerthWAtch Even by your scale the SKX should have won by at least 1 point . The case should have had at least one more point due to a screw down crown and solid cáseback.
Screw down crown was considered under performance category. Agreed that the solid case back deserves a mark, but so does the drilled lugs on the new case - that evened out.
I would give the win slightly to the skx007. I have both these watches and I hate that the 5 sports doesn’t have a screw down crown. It’s a pain to wind. I am looking for a new case for the 5 sports apart from that one thing I love it really.
Only seiko could introduce an updated model and have it be worse than its predecessor. No screwdown crown no swimming. A dive style watch you can't swim with. Like a home theater system with no sound. Cheers
Haha thanks for the analogy Derek! It depends on whether we should believe what the manufacturer says the watch can be used for - Seiko WR charts (and also many other brands) indicate 100m is ok for swimming. So, I would say a dive style watch you can’t dive with.
@@PerthWAtch. Common sense dictates the Rolex 100 meters water resistance equals twin-lock or Trip-lock screwdown crown. Rolex l trust, seiko l dont. Cheers
@@dparis2172. No screwdown crown no swimming. People also walk into traffic reading their text messages. I don't recommend doing either. You're taking a chance. Cheers baby
Good video, not a bad review of the two watches. However, IMO, I would've given the SKX an extra point for the Case and bezel category because of the lume pip on the bezel making it a more functional bezel. I would've also given the extra point to the SKX for the Dial and Crystal category. IMO, even though it has the applied indicies, the dial on the new model is very generic looking. I'm not crazy about the new logo at all and I prefer the pop of red from the "Diver's 200" to the very generic script "Automatic". Lastly, I would've given minimum one extra, but probably two extra points to the SKX for durability. Wouldn't you say that the added water resistance, ISO certification and screw down crown would make the watch more durable?
Thanks for the comments. I get what you’re saying but for the bezel pip I considered that under performance, and even if you place this in case/bezel objectively speaking the drilled lugs deserve a mark too. The dial appearance is subjective and I can understand what you mean, but objectively one has to concede that applied indices is an added extra, more so than red ink. As for durability the mark is intended for a different purpose - overall durability of the case and bracelet based on design and materials. Those issues of ISO and water resistance etc were discussed under performance. I hope that helps clarify my thoughts here. Cheers!
@@PerthWAtch makes sense. I see what you're saying. BTW, I love your content so please don't take my comment as criticism, just my own personal take on the comparison. 😊
@@PerthWAtch I've had a horrible experience with the Islander and LIW.. And it's not even a great looking watch, I hate their logo being flat out on it's face when they could've just made it say ISLANDER ... it's incredibly ugly, and now he's just pedalling it even more and making posters like dude STOP... it's like it's just gone to his head and I hate it cause my bad experience with them And not gonna lie but the new 5kx dial is so fucking sexy as hell I wanna lick it 👀👀 And as someone who bought the Islanders watches first I expected to be happy like owning a Seiko which I never have owned one before that, and didn't find that yearn I was looking for so i would never recommend the Islander to anyone (not that i ever woul recommend them) who isn't thinking about already modding it or anyone who doesn't have a Seiko yet cause that was the lesson I learned, if you want the happiness of a Seiko buy one
I think the watch is about the overall package..modding sxk with sapphire/ceramic/hacking/strapcode ruins the watch, rather making it better as it is no longer original.. like any vintage, whether watch or cars, all original is more desirable/valuable as it gives you the true form. Ex. A good way to kill the value of vintage Rolex is to update parts, refinish as that vintage feel is what collectors are seeking
2 scores I would disagree with is value and brand .Skx models all sell for £350 on amazon uk which is terrible value ,I would say Seiko 5 has slightly less brand value in the same way as Grand Seiko has a lot more
Hmm interesting thought about the brand... I consider them all as “Seiko”, although I get what you mean about the “5” branding. I would consider that under the dial category. As for value, I was considering this as when the SKX was still being produced and selling for $200. The prices now have gone up as we are talking NOS, which is kinda an unfair comparison IMO.
@@PerthWAtch Yeah but sadly here in the UK we were always over charged they used to be £280 ish which is still $360 us .Main reason they were always my pet hate watch .They'd be amazing value if anywhere near that $200 mark for us Brits As an outsider who doesnt buy into the brand I see seiko 5 as their budget line ,$I00 to $I50 watches with good design and a very basic but bulletproof movement .Maybe they're looking to take them more up market with this new model.
Never bought a Seiko watch and prob never will so can sit back and see the funny side of how they could easily make the perfect watch but prefer to troll their loyal customers .You want hacking and hand winding ?There you go .Oh you still want a dive watch ?ha ha that's not happing we're Seiko .We'll just go to the trouble of removing the screw down crown .Hilarious really .
Haha yeah, I think it’s more like “oh you wanted a dive watch? Now you can check out Prospex range! Psst, it’s only $200 more ;)” I guess they do kinda “get a free pass” on some of these issues but to be fair I think their great original designs are part of what commands their following.
@@PerthWAtch I was lucky to get the Seiko solar diver SNE437p1 in a better than half price deal - £156 $295 Australian. Had to drive a hour or so to get to the jewellers who had it in stock , well worth it.
@@dparis2172 Sorry to burst your bubble but there are dozens of companies large and small that offer great quality at much better value .Example skx sell for £350 here .I can buy an Orient M Force also iso 200m rated but fully made in Japan [not malaysia ]with sapphire crystal the same hacking handwinding hi beat movement that's in their $2000 saturation diver and a power reserve indicator for £269 . At the other end of the scale Aragon divemaster is a very solid 200m in 45mm with NH35 movement sapphire crystal that comes in great dial colours has crown at date at 4 o clock and sells for $I08 half the price of the Seiko 5 here ,and of course it has a screw down crown which Seiko went out of their way to get rid of just to mug you off .
Nope .... Seiko are being greedy ... less specs more money ... it should have gone the other way ... I'd be looking at one of the microbrands ... Seiko movement but with way higher specs for US$300
I do feel that way also to a certain extent... but to be fair the micro-brands that offer "spec monsters" at budget prices don't tend to have any design cost.
Yeah that'd be right (although it's still their own design)... I meant overall Seiko put out original design, whereas budget micro-brands don't tend to.
Perth WAtch I do know my stuff and this is call the great wave of Kanagawa and Seiko call it the K wave and it’s not a Tsunami and the Kanagawa wave or silver wave is peace not destructive. Tsunami is negative and recent event to Japan is a tragic therefore I feel it’s inappropriate ruclips.net/video/kEubj3c2How/видео.html
Why are you putting video links as reference? How does one creator's view become more definitive than another's? This makes no sense at all. Seiko calls it tsunami, that's all I need to know. A Japanese company makes reference to a very real natural phenomenon for their dive watches, that's fine by me - it doesn't matter what you or I feel about how appropriate or not it is. They do not call it the Kanagawa wave - you will not find any official source that shows that.
I think you are spot on with this comparison. They are both perfectly good watches, just aimed at different markets. 😉👍
Thanks for that! :)
Perth WAtch seiko 5 sports srpd55k1 automatic PRICE 300€
I agree about different markets. Skx has become an icon for WIS who knows the historical significance , the new fives are targeted toward much larger mainstream buyers who mainly buy watch based on name recognition and looks and don't go into depths of history/ISO that WIS do. They would find hacking and see through case back more important vs ISO/hx..two different buywrs
Thanks Chin Yoon - you nicely summarised those aspects :)
I love my skx007/009 with its jingle jangle jubilee. So comfortable on the wrist, like a pair of old slippers. I've often been tempted to swap for a "higher qualilty, more substantial " bracelet then remember how incredibly comfortable and good looking the stock jubilee truly is. The Skx is beloved for what it offers : a genuine tool watch, 200m, ISO certification not just depth rating but also shock resistance and high build quality all for very little money. That's the charm of the SKX for many enthusiasts.
Thanks for that Michael - agreed, and well summarized! :)
Agree, I find older bracelets like the sxk007 and vintage hollow Rolex Jubilee lot more comfortable vs the new jubilee/oyster on my newer rolexes. Doesn't feel or look nearly as solid or well made but so much more comfortable, and truer vintage vibe/charm/overall package
Also agree with charm of skx, it's not about objective hacking this, sapphire that, it's about the overall feel/emotion conveyed by the watch.
Michael Riera I enjoyed the cheapo jubilee as well. If you’re looking for something really cool try thestrap code Angus Jubilee… not cheep but it is the Best bracelet out there, And they have one that’s designed just for the SKX. I also have one on a very thick shark mesh bracelet with a great clasp. Pick that one up on eBay for 20 bucks… Liked it so much I bought another right away to keep it in storage for another diver one day. Cheers
Chin Yoon hacking doesn’t matter… You’re right… When the tolerance is our plus and minus what they are… So you get it set to the second and one week later it’s five minutes off… Kind of pointless… Sapphire crystal would’ve been great…I wore my SKX’s on the Jubilee for a long time before changing them out. Took away the screw down crown? That’s a security that should be on any sports watch… And the tooling was already there to continue with the screw down crown… It was part of the machining process already…So they took it away purposefully…
@@JohnBuckmaster-sw3wm I fully agree John. I have the Angus J Louis on my SRPA21 Prospex X, PADI Pepsi Turtle and it is stunning. By far the most comfortable and good looking watch in my collection. I would suggest the Angus over the Super J Louis any time. A few dollars more but you get what you pay for and you NEVER have to second guess yourself every time you buckle up.
I have never owned SKX but I have purchased the new Seiko 5 version but in green after seeing it in a sale. I purchased mine here in the UK for £180. I really like the watch tbh it's comfortable on the wrist and the bracelet is good quality. A few weeks ago I purchased a two tone dress KX for £170 also in a sale at the same Seiko retailer, a really nice watch which can be worn with almost anything really. Thanks for your video.
Thanks for the comment - glad to hear that you’re enjoying the watches!
nice first comparison head to head....still lust for skx007 and NOT the new 5. Thanks Ivan...one of the best watch reviewer channels which hasn't fallen to being a watch selling huckster. Cheers mate.
Thanks for the positive feedback, I really appreciate that :)
Jake Rockwell yep...Have the 007 and they 009. Added a sapphire crystal both and put them on some really cool bracelets...I have too many watches but there are two of my favorites. Can’t stand what Seiko did to these...If you’re going to make a diver make a diver… There’s no such thing as a sports watch diver… Taking away that screw down crown is the kicker… A sports watch should have a screw down Crown period. Cheers
The irony is if you are going to do some serious swimming, snorkelling and are a watch enthusiast, you'll probably pop on a cheap, 200m casio, just in case.😀
I've taken my Seamaster into the sea... but I get what you mean. Nevertheless, my SKX is one of my "cheap" beaters I would happily take anywhere!
I use my Orient Ray for swimming. I have no worries as long as I make sure the crown is locked.
I just purchased (days ago) a barely used skx007J with jubilee bracelet. Donning it on my wrist just has the x factor feel that im wearing a piece of history and class. Ive only really gotten into watches within the past year and I'm glad I did. Im also shocked Seiko went for a display caseback on the new "diver". Function and form, over just form and show. Great review man
That's awesome man, happy for you that you got your hands on one! :)
How much did you pay for it brotha? thanks
Good honest review. Thanks. I think I'll keep my SKX and I actually prefer the now classic 7s26 movement.
Thanks. Nothing wrong at all with the 4r35/36… they are proving to be reliable and of course very serviceable, now having a track record >10 years. In fact there are many who have opted to upgrade older 7s to that.
hand winding is the most important factor as i have other watches
I know what you mean!
Nice job syncing the time down the second hands. It's the little things. 🙂
Thank you - glad you appreciated it :)
Always appreciate your channel by the way and thanks for the review!
Thanks for that - appreciate the positive feedback! :)
The skx with the jubilee is so comfortable to wear as a diver watch 👍👍
Yes it is!
I also have both. The SKX is better, it has a screw down crown a metal back and the jubilee bracelet is super comfortable.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
After how long would the SRPD no longer be safe to swim with? Three years? Would it be cheaper to replace the watch, or have someone change the o-rings and pressure test it?
No one really knows, Seiko don’t promise anything
Cheaper to test
5kx line has nothing to do with the original skx..and I'm not talking about the specs, but also about the design, the dial etc. The new 5kx line is just a pale copy of the skx, you cannot compare the them.
Seiko skx is a very good investment.
You will be able to buy a new old stock skx for a few thousand in a few years...if you can find one of course. Nothing that came out on the market from Seiko in recent years or other models are like skx..whatever some say. It is already considered vintage since was produced from 1996, but they are also rare because no one really sells the SKX007 anymore, being very collectible. It will be quite difficult to catch an unmodified skx in the next years. I personally just bought 3 new old stock from an individual who had 6 skx007, brand new, $240 each. When I called to get more...they were already sold...
Wait 5 years from now...people will be able to trade a nos skx..for a Rolex. Why? Because Rolex is still produced...while Skx is no longer produced and has become a classic neo-vintage tool.
The 5kx line has a LOT to do with the SKX on a superficial design and appearance basis…. But not the specs.
What you mean is: you think you will be able to trade an SKX for a current model Rolex in 5 years time (as you almost certainly know, there are MANY Rolex models no longer produced)… but you would be wrong there. NOS SKX will appreciate in value for sure, but not to $10k each. Not in 5 years.
remember this comment, and see the prices of nos skx in 5 years😉
Whatever mate. If it ever comes true, I’ll sell my mint SKX 😉
I have both. I've never understood why people dont like the oem "grains of rice" bracelet on the skx. I find it very comfortable because it has that extra flexibility.
It’s not a beads of rice bracelet. People don’t like it because it has a very cheap pressed metal construction to it… it serves its function but there is no doubt it’s cheap and nasty.
Water resistance rating is one thing but real world performance is another thing. While I would agree that for both hydrostatic and hydrodynamic pressure, the presentation case back would most likely fail with less pressure, the screw down crown would not necessarily be a factor. I have spent a lifetime in the field of Oceanography, designing, fabricating and deploying very sophisticated equipment for hundreds of metres depth. In the case of sealing, it all depends on whether a compressed gasket or a properly designed and fabricated O-ring is used. The sealing principle is totally different between the two. Most people with the screw down crown craze must realize that while it may possible improve the water resistance integrity, it is mostly intended to prevent the crown from being inadvertently pulled out under water. Even if it is, a proper captive O-ring on the stem or stem sleeve will guarantee water resistance. The deeper it goes the better it will seal due to pressure..
Thanks for sharing your expertise Kevin. That’s all true in my understanding. In reality, with time the integrity of parts change and I would still choose not to go underwater with a watch like the 5KX, especially after it’s a few years old. With the SKX, experience tells that the water resistance lasts.
I personally like both and agree with the score becoming even! The skx used prices are going up to crazy levels, and surprisingly, the opersites can be said for their replacements ? Either way, you can't go wrong with these as daily wearers? If you can live with possibly plus/ minus 45 secs a day?
It shouldn’t be +/-45spd - did you just make up those figures? That’s outside of tolerances and can be adjusted far better, or send it back.
Which watch did you exchange the original jubilee with? Can you give me some examples of difference watches for a seamless switch?
The original bracelet is sitting in a box. I don’t know which watches might work - this is a question best suited to a good forum, eg. WUS
Good one Ivan! The SRPD seems like a good everyday watch. This is available for roughly 220USD with a dealer discount today. I am really confused, do you suggest any alternatives(apart from the Orients)?
Thanks for that. There are plenty of good micro brand alternatives at these prices with good specs too, provided you can accept non-original design.
Got the srpd61k1 green , the price seems to be coming down a bit now. Paid £189 Inc a 10% code , down from £260. Wouldn't have went anywhere near them without a discount or price drop. £189 takes it well into the normal ( for the UK ) Seiko 5 price range.
@@saintdave1877 do share your experience with the watch.
A better introductory pricing for the SRPD would have helped build a positive perception, it had to take too much bashing ;)
@@sree87523 I really like mines , Sreedhar , the colour seems to change from a vivid green to a almost black depending on the light , the lume is Seiko good. It's a little on the tall side and the bracelet is decent but not great , like most midrange Seikos I suppose. Accuracy wise it's about 6 seconds a day fast , setting it by atomic clock UK. I can't compare it to the skx though because I've never had one and by the time I became interested they were more than £300 , now even higher. All round good watch I would say.
@@saintdave1877 thanks for sharing David, cheers!
nice review!! just wondering if skx007 jubilee strap will fit on srpd55k?
Yes it will
I agree, technically, about the depth, but how many buyers will be going below 150 feet?
It’s not just about static water resistance… why do you think they don’t recommend diving with 100m rating and to avoid swimming with 30m rating?
You've made me feel a lot better about thinking about buying the SRPD... I have other dive watches to get wet anyway.
Glad to be of help :)
Perth WAtch cheers! Coincidentally I’m also from Perth too
Nice! Have had a few locals comment on the channel :)
Well I pretty much agree, except for I would have given more points to the movement section for the 5kx.and less points to the SKX in the performance factor. I thought it was always over hyped. And less points in the performance factor for the SKX also, let's be honest hardly anyone goes CLOSE TO THE 200M RATING.
Hey you took two points off for performance factor when you said it twice! :D
@@PerthWAtch Oops 😂😂👍
I probably would have give 1 less point for the value rating then... 😂
I think the Seiko 5 version should have won by 1 or 2 points at least in my opinion.. Thanks for the video! 👍👍
@@steven3379 It's just nostalgia for the SKX. 5KX is the better watch really!
Skx should get an extra point for the X factor because it’s a classic.
Yep... just didn’t have that in this particular scoring system
From the perspective of a diver the old model wins hands down. But who’s using this watch as diver anymore? Most of them are desk or field divers. And from that perspective the new one wins due to the upgraded caliber, see-thru case back, applied indices and new bracelet.
Take out the diver aspect and yes, the new one wins
The SKX was selling for $450 in the jewelry shop.
Yep, didn’t I say that?
Perth WAtch AND seiko 5 sports srpd55k1 automatic FOR 300€
More today . 600-700
I don't think it is fair to penalize the newer watch with the display case back.
No integrate issue there at all.
If the crystal is able to be on the watch front, it should be good enough for the back.
Well you’re the only one who has expressed that particular view. Even so, it would make less than half mark difference to the weighting here.
Beng Chiat Seah the displayback makes it one and a half millimeters thick...I have 3 SKX’s And they’re quite thick already… The movement is really nothing to look at…
@Beng Chiat Seah; I agree 100% the Seiko 5 isn't going to be used underwater anyway. So, as I see it exhibition case back just adds a nice touch to the new watch. Face it guys, I'll bet not 1 in 10 of you go deep sea diving with the SKX007. These (and all tool watches) are more of a statement piece than an actual "Tool" (Disclaimer; lest I get beat up in the comments,LOL... In MOST cases!)
hello sir, how about the lume? any differences? thank you for this great video. cheers. :)
Thanks. Pretty much the same, as I mentioned in the video.
@@PerthWAtch your welcome sir. sorry i've must be missed it. will check it again.
Ivan I still like the old 007, yes it's still selling for stupid money but it's just got something that the new one hasn't. I do like the new ones bracelet better though. 👍
I agree... my heart tells me the old one is the jam, so it was interesting for me to do this comparison!
@@PerthWAtch I think give it 5yrs or so I might get the new one just incase they add some charm 👍👍
Cracking comparison brother....Both are perfectly good watches, tried and tested movements....perhaps the question is out of however many millions of the 007/9 sold how many really went diving....the movement upgrade is still an old movement, albeit both are very reliable....my only issue is the price, if they kept it the same I'd be perfectly happy....⌚🏴⌚🏴
Yeah agreed - if the price remained the same, I think there would be less gripes about the changes!
Prices are coming down here mate and take advantage of the 10% email discounts from the big jewellers too 👍🏴
In fact you only need to mention about the 10% , I've never had to prove it 🤣
Regardless of the death rating, Taking away the screw down crown was pointless. They were already toured up producing the case with a screw down crown so they had to purposefully take it away. Water rating is zero if you accidentally don’t push in the crown or knock it in the crown pulls out to the first position. Any sports watch should have it
Well done mate, great review!
Thanks Nick :)
Good review. Bought a new SKX009K2 last fall and have yet to wear it. Was going to Mod it and then Seiko discontinued them. Now don't know if I should hold it for sale later and buy the new watch or go ahead and Mod this one with new crystal, movement, bezel insert and bracelet. Thoughts?
Thanks for that Jim - oh that is a tough question to answer! But I would lean toward selling for potential profit and getting a new one to mod... that way you also start with the newer movement right off the bat.
I own Seikos which I have not modded. I also own Vostoks which I have. They are cheap to buy and mod. I can't imagine the cash invested when you do a full mod on a new Seiko. Don't get me wrong, I dig them a lot but I'm thinking you can buy a serious diver for what you have into one. JMHO
@@bking12762 The price is a problem but if I'm keeping the watch I can live with it. I do the mod myself so no labor charge. Still it's easy to get another $200 in a $200 watch and then you have to ask why not just buy a $400 watch to begin with.
I’ll agree with you on all your scoring, but I’ll still take the SKX over the new model any day👍🏼
Thanks Ray - I’m inclined to feel the same way! :)
Have you found that the hands do not align perfectly when o’clock? Hour hand is a bit ahead
Not in a noticeable way to me, but I haven't looked closely TBH.
Hand misalignment is a very common problem in Seikos. I’ve had several, and all had noticeable hand misalignments. Junk.
Thank you so much for the clarification! really helped a lot
Glad this was helpful :)
Are there any parts compatibility?
Probably
Great review. Comparing the dials of the two, is there any difference in the richness of the black? I appreciate the applied indices of the SRPD, and if it had a "darker" dial it would pop more.
I can't say I can honestly perceive a difference in the blackness of the dials...
Although these two watches are same but somehow the left one looks more promising.
I think it’s just got a more utilitarian look overall, which is part of why it’s so popular
Thank you for your work....greetings
Greeting from Perth, Australia! :)
Do the bracelets interchange for either watch?
I would assume so but the only way to be sure is to actually remove them and try
Nice comparison. The new watch (Sports 5) has a matte black dial, correct?
Yep, matte black - check out my full review of the watch if you haven’t already :)
Sam King Most of them have a Sunburst affect… One is Matt black… None of them compare to the former SKX. Biggest gripe… They took away the screw down crown which was already part of the machining process… The tooling was already in place to continue doing that to the case… So they Took it away purposefully… Any sports watch… Diver or not… Should have a screw down crown… It’s a fashion watch now.
If you don't use the watch for diving, then buy the SRPD.
Better movement, applied indices, drilled lugs.
As an everyday beater, it's great.
It’s not just about diving - push crown rated at 100m won’t hold up over time. Fine if all you do is wash hands or occasionally dash in the rain. Not fine if you want to keep it on every time you swim.
@@PerthWAtch
Fair point, but screw down crowns aren't great either, you can have issues with the threads, can't screw in properly.
I would never take a 100m watch even swimming anyway, not worth the risk.
Err… the fact that YOU personally would not take a 100m watch swimming isn’t the point. I was responding to your initial comment.
Hi mate, I have just started watching your videos , don’t know why, but I didn’t think you would actually be from Perth 😂 (I am as well). Anyway I was going to get a 007 last year but talked myself out of it, now I’m kicking myself as prices have gone through the roof 🤦🏽♂️, do you think they are still worth it ($500) ?
Hey there, always good to hear from a local :)
Personally I wouldn’t pay $500 for one… there’s many other alternative choices out there, including the Long Island watch version, not to mention also San Martin homages.
@@PerthWAtch thanks mate, I was looking at the islander and Orient as well
I love My jubi.
Great review, just pulled my SKX out today, love it.
Unreal PW, thanks.
Nice! :)
A good comparison video. I wonder if you could put that new movement in the 007. That would be about a perfect affordable watch.
Yes apparently you can - and Long Island offers a combo that’s very close to being perfect with sapphire crystal also.
Skx or srpd55 ?
Good?
Is good
Having had both I can no longer agree on the bezel not having the luminous point and it not having markings all around is a disadvantage.
Maybe if you do really use them for diving, I reckon that 1 of every 1000 buyers might actually do so. But if used as normal, sporty everyday watch, the version without the markings all around simply looks cleaner and just better. Likewise, the luminous dot made the old one look strange in the dusk.
So, it's a disadvantage in the video ( as stuff has been 'taken away' ), but in reality it's an advantage. Likewise with the reduction to 100m water resistance. Yes, ok, mark it down, BUT - like 999 out of 1000 buyers of this specific watch won't ever use that feature, so be mindful of how important something like this actually is to the target audience.
When, at the end of the day, one watch looses to the other in points achieved in total, just remember that some of the points literally do not matter at all for the 'normal' user of these watches. Oh, and diving being a rather expensive hobby - meaning you must have certain means to participate in it - I must add that out of the few 'real' divers I know, noone would be seen dead in the water with an automatic for 250 bucks.
My point: Too much diver-centric wishwash in reviews of these watches when in actuality I do not believe that a lot of people buying these specific watches at these price points care about that at all. And if you cared for 200m water resistance, you wouldn't buy in this price range is my opinion. But that's no knock at all, as I said, I owned both of them and they are beautiful watches.
Got the Sports 5 with the new gunmetal bracelet, it's an absolute stunner to me.
Mate, the SKX is ISO 6425 compliant - that’s something Rolex and just about any Swiss brand you can think of don’t bother to comply with. $250 or not, it is dive fit.
The reality of the dot not being there being an advantage is just your opinion. I think it’s a disadvantage hence my comments. Opinion or not, the SKX bezel can be used to time in the dark, the 5KX cannot - case closed!
As for water resistance, I wouldn’t trust snorkelling or skin diving with the 5KX given 100m and non-screw crown. It’s not about static water resistance… it’s the dynamic spikes in pressure with motions that will kill it. That’s why if you’re gonna water ski (yet never go below 2m underwater) a 200m rated watch is recommended.
@@PerthWAtch Yeah of course it's just an opinion, just like every statement in my post is nothing but my opinion.
Thanks for answering, my point was never that one watch isn't clearly better than the other in a specific field, my point was that this specific field isn't that interesting for what I believe to be the target audience of the watches.
Still, nice video and everything, at the end of the day most of this stuff comes down to personal preference. Both watches are nice value for the money nonetheless, just missing a sapphire crystal to be top dogs in the category of automatic divers with a daydate complication for under 300 bucks.
No worries mate, just clarifying coz some viewers confuse opinion with fact and state the former as if it’s the latter. ATB!
Dramatic intro hehehe Great review budd ;)
Haha thanks - was it that dramatic??
@@PerthWAtch Remain me a video game trailer or movie :P
I wonder how much extra it would have cost seiko to equip the new 5kx with a screw - down crown and a solid case back? Makes you wonder doesn't it.
Well, display backs generally cost more so I would guess the cost would’ve evened out!
The 5kx feels like those chronometer watches with fake pushers. They look like a chronometer but they arent. The 5kx looks like a diver, but it isnt. The SRPE is basically the same watch as this 5kx but that one makes way more sense to me. You get the same water resistance, movement, crownposition, BUT you wont get a "dive" bezel. Makes more sense imo
Yeah interesting model those SRPE ones… ironically it almost looks like it’s missing something!
Would have given the edge to the skx for Style...
Why? They’re pretty much the same look
Yup, the SKX just looks more bold and brawny
Will the jubilee bracelet strap fit in new 5kx
Sure, why not.
I like the looks of the SKX so much more because the minute markers go all the way around the bezel instead of stopping at at the 20.
Yeah that seemingly little change sure makes a big difference to the appearance!
Why do you need minute markers on the bezel when they're already on the dial?
Anyway ... replacing the aluminum insert bezel is an operation that must be done sooner or later, either because it is too damaged with use, or to switch to the ceramic lumed ... now and choose the one from the SKX.
I have never replaced the insert on any of my Seiko divers, many of which I’ve owned for years. Clearly not something that “must de done”.
@@PerthWAtch After 4 years mine was ruined: worn, scratch and teeth from manual work.
5 is available on Bracelet @ Macy's for $199 . Saw Yesterday . I believe Macy's might be getting ready to fold from what I've heard.
At $199 I think the value mark would be even and the win would go to the 5.
@@PerthWAtch I posted the deal just in case anyone was interested in getting one.... lol 😁
I just got the new one.but.wish that Seiko just put the newer movement in the SKX and called it a day
Yeah man, you're not alone in feeling that!
If I can get my hands on an old used market SKX- 007 or 009, I would still be interested. The new 5, not a snowballs chance in hell!
I think if prices go below $200 and mod for screw down crown, sapphire crystal and bezel upgrade doesn’t bring it above $250 - that’ll be much more tenable!
I'll personally keep my Skx007 with the ISO 6425 diver's rating. That means EACH one is pressure tested to 25% above its depth rating. It's a true icon that was made from '96-'19 and funny enough because of the new release of these Seiko 5s, doesn't have a dated look and is still a relevant design. It's got retro and modern coexisting together. If that matters to anyone...
I'd still love the watch even if Seiko retired that particular case design.
The 7S26 is a bullet-proof movement that has been discontinued. Sure, it doesn't hack or handwind but the second hand can be "hacked" by turning the crown counterclockwise and it takes a few shakes to get it going if it's stopped, as opposed to unscrewing the crown and winding it, NBD to me.
Just a few thoughts about it...
Thanks for sharing the thoughts - the ISO divers rating does feature a whole barrage of tests and is indeed reassuring of durability.
The manual wind function in updated movements (eg. 4R35) give the option to wind it that way. You don’t have to do that of course… you can still pretend it doesn’t manual wind and just shake the watch to get it going ;)
@@PerthWAtch So very true! It slipped my mind in the previous comment that the Seiko 5 doesn't have a screwdown crow.
Thanks for the video! Personally I'd knock off a point off the Seiko 5 brand score for that S/5 hybrid snake-looking logo. Doesn't work for me, and reminds me of the Pulse Secure VPN client logo.
Haha yeah, well you're definitely not alone in feeling that way about the new 5 logo!
Just picked up the new one for under 250. Especially considering inflation since the skx007 was out I feel like the value is pretty balanced now. Thank you for the great review!
For under $250 the value proposition is much fairer
The "5" on the dial to me is a downgrade. A seiko 5 will always be a Seiko 5. A non watch enthusiast will always see Seiko 5 as a lower brackets of Automatic watches.
Plus, SKX has a better resell value nowadays since the model was discontinued.
Actually my experience shows that non enthusiasts have no idea what the “5” implies
Apart from the ISO water resistance, the SRPB is the better spec watch. But we’re buying the SKX for the nostalgia, not the spec. It’s like trying to compare a vintage Rolex with a modern Rolex.
No that’s just wrong. The water rating is a big thing, and not to mention also that the newer one is not even a dive watch and has inferior lume.
Your analogy using Rolex is invalid - a modern Submariner is better than the vintage in *every* way. Not so this Seiko pair.
Seiko isn't out there to lose money. The 5 is a solid, reliable and good looking sports watch. It's not a diver.
Oh I can believe 100% that the main driver of any decision is profits
@@PerthWAtch I don't think seiko is making much profit on this one, rather it has become a brand introduction over time. I think it just wasn't possible to improve the SKX without removing it from ISO6425 ... and that's what they did.
They did it primarily for profits... particularly if you look on the bigger scale of where there ranges are heading. It is totally possibly to improve on the SKX... just look at what others have done, including Long Island. Seiko will do so themselves when they reissue this with fully modernised specs, for over $1000. Or perhaps much more if they make it “limited edition”.
To be honest I prefer the new one (aside from the bezel insert) I'm not planning on diving at anytime and 100m is more than adequate for a dip in the pool..
Ah but it may not be fit for swimming for very long with that construction!
Hmmm. I am watching these 2 watches and thinking about which is better/nicer. I dont know skx is awesome watch. But for me the new one is simpler and watch to where every day. They have smaller dots inside, i like that they have dots from 0 to 20 outside of watch, dont know how that is called, and logo Seiko isnt printed like skx have. The last transparent side of the clock that shows how the clock works, you look at the heart of the clock. I would probably buy a new one before the old one.
They are similar yet different. The newer one has the same looks but more styling, applied indices, display back to see the movement, and a better bracelet. The allure of the older one remains that great original design, and the simple beauty of an unpretentious product in which form follows function, that of a purpose made dive capable watch
Perth WAtch yes I agree. Tnx for anseer. You have good YT videos. 💪🏼
It just seems they took a true dive watch and nerfed it a bit. Probably just to sell the real divers at higher costs.
Probably... that’s what many people suspect.
@@PerthWAtch I love your videos btw! If that really is the case then that's a shame:(
Yes. It would make no sense for Seiko to undercut/cannibalize their own products.
Got the SRPD55 for $200 USD online!
Very good!
I own an SKX007J1 which a watchmaker modded with a new sapphire crystal, 4r36 movement and the Super Oyster bracelet. With the modifications done the watch became a perfect timepiece, at least for me. Having said that I feel the new SRPD lineup should have been what my watch has become. Shame they had to downgrade the case just to boost the sales of the Prospex lineup.
Nice mods - did you consider putting in a ceramic bezel also?
Agreed with what you said - they really should've kept the dive credentials!
@@PerthWAtch I opted not to because I wanted to keep the original look of the watch. It's been a year and for a daily I still haven't managed to scratch the bezel insert.
@@MrAmnongoull I see what you mean. I haven't opened the modding can of worms myself... do they not make a ceramic bezel that looks the same as the original SKX insert?
@@PerthWAtch There are some that come close to the OEM insert and there are others that completely alter the look of the watch, but as far as I know there are no ceramic/sapphire inserts that copy the original.
The SRPD with an ISO dive cert would no longer be a Seiko 5 and would cost much more than the sub $200 watch you can get now. Otherwise, they'd be undercutting their own products (Prospex) and that literally makes no sense.
now the SKX costs 900-1000€ cause it got discontinued 😂 crazyy hahah i have a modificated skx with ceramic bezzel and saphire glas.. i guess i can sell it now for 1300 -1500€ 😂
Why stop there? Go to 10,000 and higher 😂
@@PerthWAtch 😂 SKX investment watch haha more value raise 📈 than Rolex haha
Yep
Big winner!!!
Nice review
Thanks :)
Your sound has a bit of echo Ivan
Yeah I think I forgot to put on the directional mic when I filmed the face on footage...
It's like comparing porsche GT3 RS vs Porsche carrera GT
Interesting. Why is that?
The jubilee bracelet is really comfortable and looks class, should've beaten the Oyster IMO.
Not in my view obviously... the construction and tolerances are shocking, and that needs to be considered.
Great comparison, but Seiko forgot the screw-in-crown. Thats a step b a c k.
Thanks man. Yep, too right!
Seiko probably realizes that hardly anyone who has an SKX, dives!
I have had reassurance,you can scuba with the srpd55 down to 150 feet with no problems that covers most sport divers😊
@@stevedixon9409 I blv that too, but still I prefer a screwed crown. Ovr the years, wear n tear, this system does offer more security.
Yeah if it’s new, sure you can dive and it should be fine. 5 years later it may well be a completely different outcome.
"Around $200" skx with a bracelet? Where?
Not anymore. I thought I spoke quite clearly in the past tense, didn’t I?
@@PerthWAtch Yeah, listening again, I now understand that you were speaking in the past tense... but why? You're doing a head to head comparison of two watches that are currently available to purchase, but using the historical low price of one vs the current price of the other? I would think that in a head to head comparison, you would use the current prices of both watches when talking about price at the beginning of the comparison and later, when judging value.
Taking that view this comparison should not be done at all as the SKX has been discontinued and all current stock is NOS, and prices have gone up due to this - i.e. artificially inflated. I preferred to use the price that most people would've purchased the SKX for, which was the case until early 2019.
Nothing about my point suggests that any head to head between these two watches is invalid. I just think it's a peculiar use of criterion. It limits its relevance to those who purchased the SKX over a year ago and to those who haven't bought the SRPD up to this point or those who have who paid close to msrp, while ignoring the many who paid
dParis eBay for 240… Prices coming back down now. You can get it for about 210 with the rubber bracelet and add a Jubilee from strap code for 60 bucks...Best bracelet money can buy and especially fitted for the SKX
Nothing can beat the skx in terms of value and function.
How about an SKX on discount? :)
Truth is these days good condition second hand ones are selling for inflated prices, so the value prop has changed…
I think the performance is more than +2 for the skx
Really?
The aging SKX as a diver's watch (7S26) overshadowed Seiko's flagship models. As it is a commercial success, instead of simply making it disappear, the company decided to improve it (4R36 movement, pierced horn, lume applied) which allowed it to declassify it as a diving watch and revitalize the watch. segment of the seiko 5 at the same time. No longer classified as a diving watch it was possible to remove the screwed crown (which is an advantage for a sports and work watch) and to add an elegant transparent cover to the back. The company did not save: the savings realized by the withdrawal of the ISO6425 standard were reinvested directly in its improvement. PS- I wear an SKX 24 hours a day.
That doesn’t make sense - the movement and the case back does not dictate whether a watch can be ISO 6425 or not. The decision to withdraw the ISO compliance has nothing to do with those factors, and there is nothing elegant about a case back showing a plain ebauche movement like the ones in here. Seiko did this for profits and they have done so successfully, let’s not pretend otherwise.
The SKX is definitely the superior watch by a long shot. The new one can't hold a candle to the SKX!
Yeah but isn’t it strange they came up with the same mark then? :o
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Even by your scale the SKX should have won by at least 1 point . The case should have had at least one more point due to a screw down crown and solid cáseback.
Screw down crown was considered under performance category. Agreed that the solid case back deserves a mark, but so does the drilled lugs on the new case - that evened out.
@@PerthWAtch The 4R36 movement is at least two points better than the 7S26.
I would give the win slightly to the skx007. I have both these watches and I hate that the 5 sports doesn’t have a screw down crown. It’s a pain to wind. I am looking for a new case for the 5 sports apart from that one thing I love it really.
Thanks for the thoughts!
Only seiko could introduce an updated model and have it be worse than its predecessor. No screwdown crown no swimming. A dive style watch you can't swim with. Like a home theater system with no sound. Cheers
Haha thanks for the analogy Derek! It depends on whether we should believe what the manufacturer says the watch can be used for - Seiko WR charts (and also many other brands) indicate 100m is ok for swimming. So, I would say a dive style watch you can’t dive with.
@@PerthWAtch. Common sense dictates the Rolex 100 meters water resistance equals twin-lock or Trip-lock screwdown crown. Rolex l trust, seiko l dont. Cheers
Can't swim with it? 😂
People swim with their 30m SNK80x and have no problems. I think we'll be just fine swimming with a Seiko 100m watch.
@@dparis2172. No screwdown crown no swimming. People also walk into traffic reading their text messages. I don't recommend doing either. You're taking a chance. Cheers baby
Why would you wear a watch while swimming?
Good video, not a bad review of the two watches. However, IMO, I would've given the SKX an extra point for the Case and bezel category because of the lume pip on the bezel making it a more functional bezel. I would've also given the extra point to the SKX for the Dial and Crystal category. IMO, even though it has the applied indicies, the dial on the new model is very generic looking. I'm not crazy about the new logo at all and I prefer the pop of red from the "Diver's 200" to the very generic script "Automatic". Lastly, I would've given minimum one extra, but probably two extra points to the SKX for durability. Wouldn't you say that the added water resistance, ISO certification and screw down crown would make the watch more durable?
Thanks for the comments. I get what you’re saying but for the bezel pip I considered that under performance, and even if you place this in case/bezel objectively speaking the drilled lugs deserve a mark too. The dial appearance is subjective and I can understand what you mean, but objectively one has to concede that applied indices is an added extra, more so than red ink.
As for durability the mark is intended for a different purpose - overall durability of the case and bracelet based on design and materials. Those issues of ISO and water resistance etc were discussed under performance. I hope that helps clarify my thoughts here. Cheers!
@@PerthWAtch makes sense. I see what you're saying. BTW, I love your content so please don't take my comment as criticism, just my own personal take on the comparison. 😊
U can’t compare the 2 if u want a skx then get an skx nothing can substitute skx007.
Definitely can compare and should - I did it, did you see?
Easy SWITCH THE CASES a nice ass one from Namoki will do and you have a bomb ass watch
Get some sapphire a new crown and DONE
Or just buy the Islander or a San Martin homage. Not everyone wants to have to mod a watch to get it to the state they desire.
@@PerthWAtch I've had a horrible experience with the Islander and LIW..
And it's not even a great looking watch, I hate their logo being flat out on it's face when they could've just made it say ISLANDER ... it's incredibly ugly, and now he's just pedalling it even more and making posters like dude STOP... it's like it's just gone to his head and I hate it cause my bad experience with them
And not gonna lie but the new 5kx dial is so fucking sexy as hell I wanna lick it 👀👀
And as someone who bought the Islanders watches first I expected to be happy like owning a Seiko which I never have owned one before that, and didn't find that yearn I was looking for so i would never recommend the Islander to anyone (not that i ever woul recommend them) who isn't thinking about already modding it or anyone who doesn't have a Seiko yet cause that was the lesson I learned, if you want the happiness of a Seiko buy one
I think the watch is about the overall package..modding sxk with sapphire/ceramic/hacking/strapcode ruins the watch, rather making it better as it is no longer original.. like any vintage, whether watch or cars, all original is more desirable/valuable as it gives you the true form. Ex. A good way to kill the value of vintage Rolex is to update parts, refinish as that vintage feel is what collectors are seeking
2 scores I would disagree with is value and brand .Skx models all sell for £350 on amazon uk which is terrible value ,I would say Seiko 5 has slightly less brand value in the same way as Grand Seiko has a lot more
Hmm interesting thought about the brand... I consider them all as “Seiko”, although I get what you mean about the “5” branding. I would consider that under the dial category.
As for value, I was considering this as when the SKX was still being produced and selling for $200. The prices now have gone up as we are talking NOS, which is kinda an unfair comparison IMO.
@@PerthWAtch Yeah but sadly here in the UK we were always over charged they used to be £280 ish which is still $360 us .Main reason they were always my pet hate watch .They'd be amazing value if anywhere near that $200 mark for us Brits
As an outsider who doesnt buy into the brand I see seiko 5 as their budget line ,$I00 to $I50 watches with good design and a very basic but bulletproof movement .Maybe they're looking to take them more up market with this new model.
Oh I didn't realize even the SKX used to be around £280. What does the new one cost you to get?
@@PerthWAtch Around £220 .skx were all £350 last week but there are rubber strap verions for £299 this week
Btw found an Orient M Force for £269 and they're also discontinued according to Marc at Long Island watch
both bracelets are just Rolex clones lol which is what most ppl want
Far from clones - more like poor imitations.
Prise ....
Surprise!
Enjoyed this.
But perhaps the Brand X should have been Model X. Then the SKX might have got the edge
If there was an "X-factor" category, I reckon the SKX would've taken it overall.
SKX007-J for life. Orthodox, timeless. The other ones, SKX-K, SRPD, gross.
The SKX007-K is the same watch as the SKX007-J except it’s cheaper ;)
Old one was better. Just do a movement swap
Or get the excellent Islander custom which gives the new movement and sapphire :)
@@PerthWAtch that's right I actually forgot about that lol. I'm so glad the Islander exists.
@@PerthWAtch And ceramic bezel insert fully lumed!
i bought today the pepsi 5 from creation watches for 150€
That’s a fair price
I wouldn’t buy a new seiko I’d save an buy a used sea master 300 but I currently wear a skx009j an sold 2 tags during lockdown
Whoa, big diff in price...
Yeah 1500 for a used seamaster how much is a seiko? 400 ?
Might be 1500 depending on condition... this Seiko? I think it’s gone down to under 300 new.
Yeah it’s got no real character tho in my opinion even a second Hand tag heure Aqua racer? I do love my skx tho. By the way great reviews subbed👍
Subjective scoring, imo apart from the movement the SKX has the edge on all
You've never actually looked closely at the SRPD55 have you?
New model is better
Nope
I have both. haha i maybe crazy but i love them
They both have their merits - but which one would you take if you had to pick one?
Never bought a Seiko watch and prob never will so can sit back and see the funny side of how they could easily make the perfect watch but prefer to troll their loyal customers .You want hacking and hand winding ?There you go .Oh you still want a dive watch ?ha ha that's not happing we're Seiko .We'll just go to the trouble of removing the screw down crown .Hilarious really .
I agree completely. I like my samurai and turtle, but the value just isn't always there with affordable Seikos. They seem to get a free pass on that
Haha yeah, I think it’s more like “oh you wanted a dive watch? Now you can check out Prospex range! Psst, it’s only $200 more ;)”
I guess they do kinda “get a free pass” on some of these issues but to be fair I think their great original designs are part of what commands their following.
@@PerthWAtch I was lucky to get the Seiko solar diver SNE437p1 in a better than half price deal - £156 $295 Australian. Had to drive a hour or so to get to the jewellers who had it in stock , well worth it.
I wish other companies would "troll" us as Seiko does. Not many out there which offers the customer the combination of options and value like Seiko.
@@dparis2172 Sorry to burst your bubble but there are dozens of companies large and small that offer great quality at much better value .Example skx sell for £350 here .I can buy an Orient M Force also iso 200m rated but fully made in Japan [not malaysia ]with sapphire crystal the same hacking handwinding hi beat movement that's in their $2000 saturation diver and a power reserve indicator for £269 .
At the other end of the scale Aragon divemaster is a very solid 200m in 45mm with NH35 movement sapphire crystal that comes in great dial colours has crown at date at 4 o clock and sells for $I08 half the price of the Seiko 5 here ,and of course it has a screw down crown which Seiko went out of their way to get rid of just to mug you off .
Nope .... Seiko are being greedy ... less specs more money ... it should have gone the other way ... I'd be looking at one of the microbrands ... Seiko movement but with way higher specs for US$300
I do feel that way also to a certain extent... but to be fair the micro-brands that offer "spec monsters" at budget prices don't tend to have any design cost.
@@PerthWAtch ... maybe ... though I don't think Seiko had much design cost going from the SKX to the Seiko 5
Yeah that'd be right (although it's still their own design)... I meant overall Seiko put out original design, whereas budget micro-brands don't tend to.
@pablo rages What about the new Seiko 5 at around US $180, which is what many people have paid for the watch?
@@dparis2172 You use to get get great deals on the SKX too ... for not much over 200 you can get some pretty high specced microbrands
SKX looks cooler.
Main because of the bracelet
Why does he has to say tsunami when talking about seiko! It’s just a wave 🌊 pls
He says that because Seiko says it. Research 💻 pls
PS. FYI a tsunami *is* a type of wave ;)
Perth WAtch I do know my stuff and this is call the great wave of Kanagawa and Seiko call it the K wave and it’s not a Tsunami and the Kanagawa wave or silver wave is peace not destructive.
Tsunami is negative and recent event to Japan is a tragic therefore I feel it’s inappropriate ruclips.net/video/kEubj3c2How/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/s0BuIhHyrzg/видео.html ok a better video I just found
Why are you putting video links as reference? How does one creator's view become more definitive than another's? This makes no sense at all.
Seiko calls it tsunami, that's all I need to know. A Japanese company makes reference to a very real natural phenomenon for their dive watches, that's fine by me - it doesn't matter what you or I feel about how appropriate or not it is. They do not call it the Kanagawa wave - you will not find any official source that shows that.
Perth WAtch I understand where you getting at ! I am just been sensitive to the nature of Japanese people. Hope you can understand that too!
Just to give you an idea of what us poor UK folk are up against on the SKX front..
www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=seiko+skx&sprefix=seiko+s&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_7
Yeah, a couple of other viewers have commented on prices in the UK also - that sucks!
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Both 75， both i won't buy. Zelos watches are the way to go!
Or San Martin. Or Boldr. Or Armida. Or Aragon. Or Heimdallr. So many micro brand options ;)
Perth WAtch hell yeah. To be honest seiko is so disappointing this year :(