“No you’re not”(a boxing fan) bro do you live in my brain to tell me what I am not a fan of 😂😂😂 I’m really happy how Joe handled this interview, he actually gave arguments(they could be countered, but the interviewer was not the man for this job, he did terrible).
I’m going to tell my kids that joe Rogan went 591-0, founded MMA and was a physic (psychic) who could see the future Edit: you guys spamming my notifications worried about my spelling, I appreciate it 😂👍
Yeah and never roll with a jiu jitsu guy or wrestle with a wrestler unless you are trained in their sport and are familiar with the rules. An mma fighter would have a better chance at boxing than the boxer would have at mma although the mma fighter would be at a disadvantage due to lack of practice within those weird boxing rules.
Yeah it's called common sense just like you should never fight a trained fighter.... Doesn't matter what kind of fighting trained vs untrained always wins
@@asdfghjkl-jk6mu are you stupid?? How does getting into a real fight fuck up anyone life unless you hospitalize them?? If no one has permanent injury or death nobody's life is ruined
Boxing right now is in absolute shambles. There are almost no superfights , the undercard is basically non existent,and boxers just wanna pad their records and fight cans. The day of reckoning should have been wilder vs aj but like these superfights never fucking happen and now the window of opportunity for that is permanently closed.
Impossible. Boxing is a 100 years old sport. There are far more boxing gyms in the world than mma gyms. Boxing is less popular right now because of shit boxers
@@skysan4732what does it being 100 years old got to do with anything? Wrestling is much older and much less popular. Boxing is cool and shit, but mma has got it all.
It's less popular because it's not what people want to watch, look I'm not saying its on par with the WNBA for boring but just like the NBA is far more entertaining to watch than the WNBA, boxing is stereotypically a less entertaining form of combat sport for the audience. @@skysan4732
When is that going to happen lol.. its been 2 decades since mma become popular and hasn't seen a risen yet. Its dying out while boxing will remain supreme. MMA is boring bc bjj exist and thats the reason it doesn't have longevity. Bjj is a sport for those that do it, the general public really doesn't care, its boring to watch.
@@driessen16 you would think that, but that's a silly western perspective. Numagomedov basically became a demi god for his nation and whole countries try to raise athletes to become like him
@@coolidgeowens320 numagomedov is one of the most popular fighters of all time since the Mc Gregor fight. The mix of the both created the hype. Clash of personalities
@@blumind_web2264maybe in terms of overall talent over all sports but their MMA talent is lacking and allegedly ONE is not profiting so they might be losing money.
i once beat the shit out of henry cejudo in tijuana everyone said he is the state champion i was liek better he does not know how real street fights go i just kicked the balls and the neck his friend jumped in to help him but i mean i had the whole bar in my side(the bar was mine) so they ended up leaving moral of the story a fight ina ring is one thing a fight in the street is another you never know what you will find thank god i knew he was going to try and hit me instead of stabbing me so i agreed.
@@almondmilkisgud7192Why you care about another man's pay anyway? It's not like you boxing fans earn a penny out of your daddys' income. Yet, if you end up in a fight with an average MMA boy, you're getting blasted💀💀💀☠️☠️☠️💀💀💀
What about Alex pereieras a guy with no grappling experience has now became the champ of 2 weight divisions, if MMA was that good then MMA fighters should be able to deal with a striker that had no previous grappling experience, Alex is 8 fights in and beat 4 past and current champions, does that make MMA look bad? Or is that just a genetic phenomenon
@@thebigdogg2866pereira has glover texeira as his coach and has improved his takedown defense and grappling skills immensely. how does he have little to no grappling defense?
True but Floyd is also not an early KO type boxer. He’d rather drag you to deep waters and finish you when you’re tired or win by dec. It’s also alleged that Floyd had people bet on him to get the tko in the 10th round (multiplier would’ve been like 25x). Floyd knew Conor would gas so he dragged it out
Yes but Floyd Mayweather is literally known for not knocking people out like that's like one of the big things people bitch and moan about him because he's a boring fighter who fights for points not knockouts. The Nnganou fight was much more embarrassing for the sport in my opinion.
I grew up watching both, and taking both mma and boxing, it was something my dad and I bonded over and he pretty much taught me the same thing that joe says right here, it’s too true,
@Smokeybonez_7 yeah, Joe is so 'right' and boxing got soo 'swallowed' that anytime a mma fighter wants to make some real money they play the clown to lure boxers into a boxing match for the payday 😂
@@Smokeybonez_7 I would love to see Jon Jones try and box a real boxer. Let's see who wins. And Tyson fury is not a real boxer. He is a super heavyweight sideshow. To say he is one of the greatest is a joke. A big time fight in boxing will still be watched by more people than an mma big fight.
@@julianfalken8861 Yes it did because it was a modified philly shell but like dude said Izzy is not a grappler and both fighters wanted to keep it standing. In an actual street fight a Philly shell can only do so much
@@punchline9111The shoulder roll wouldn't help him against a decent grappler? That's your evidence that shoulder rolls don't work? And also figure skating wouldn't help him in a shot put competition🤦♂️ Why would he be using the boxing shoulder roll when he is grappling on the ground? Are you a Todd? This is the problem with Joe Rogan and his fanboys... NONE of you have trained. ALL of your knowledge about hand-to-hand combat comes from a scripted TV show called the ufc. Joe Rogan has exactly zero professional fights. He is a professional actor...NOTHING more. His only fights were in a nonsensical Taekwondo point fighting tournament... Which Joe Rogan himself would call bullshido.
That is a great response, it's like when a liberal calls you racist because they're losing the argument, you definitely do not know me, so you better stop presuming that you know my views on the world, that is how we should answer those types of outbursts, because ultimately when somebody throws accusations like that they are basically just projecting their own feelings onto you
@skachor Yes, I find that fighters are the best advocates for their disciplines because they have the drive to fight and are thus inclined to defend their style in debates.
The marketing battle, they're fighting over the same audience. People online who argue over it just bought into what the business people were saying. Like the Monday Night Wars between WWE and WCW, the rivalry was for ratings but some fans got really into it and defensive of their side and still shit talk to this day
@@samuelwillard1301 Correct, but I was specifically referencing against MMA fighters. A lot of pro boxers like to talk smack about MMA when they know they cant beat those guys as soon as you can use all your skills, not just throwing hands.
@@stevengray57 you're right about the advantage and I'd much rather know grappling but that whole "90% of fights end up of the ground" is just some shit to make BJJ guys sound cool. Literally every fight I've seen is two people who have no idea what they're doing throwing punches
Boxing is the standard. Don't you have to knock the champ out to get the belt?? That's how the saying goes lls. Boxing doesn't have to explain itself, it's the champ. If Dana can't stop being greedy and give fighters more $ than there can be an argument. Both sports fight for their life but boxers get paid more respectfully. I like how someone said boxing is a gentlemen's sport nd MMA is for warriors. Boxers are warriors also. But I like the sentiment. Basically once you kick someone or try to (a felony in some states lol) it's extremely personal. Can't be civil then
@@Atlas365247 money is the only argument in favor of competing in boxing. And that's only because of age: boxing has been around for a lot longer and people in the 1920s didn't know better for a combat sport, its more rooted in western society so they have the "first mover advantage". Also, the general public is too lazy to learn about other techniques, they just want to see people punch each other. I would argue though, if MMA fighters could pick and choose fights like they do in boxing, you would only have fighters with padded record who fight journeymen they are sure of beating. In the UFC dana decides, so in a way, the matchups are more interesting than jake pall who only fights people he knows he would win. And boxing is wayyyyyy more corrupt because of stuff like this. So much fight fixing and referee bias. There has been corruption also in MMA, but much less imo. For a true martial artist who wants to know who can fight better (and not just punch in a specific way to score points), you have to evaluate all aspects of fighting, not "only punching". You could be better at punching than me, but I might be better at grappling or kicking. If you make a limited ruleset that says "nope, you can only use 1 tool" then you are basically measureing the outcome on one facet. It just makes more sense, on a scientific level, to have a more open ruleset like MMA.
@@Atlas365247why does cash matter to fans? Boxing dosnt have what fans want that’s the fights people want to see. And the competition is lacking. Too many belts. Those are real problems we see as fans. As fans we don’t care how much a fighter is being payed backstage what we want to see is entertainment and MMA sure as hell gives a ton of that
Boxing is exactly that boxing. It’s not fighting. Fighting encompasses so many different aspects, but boxers are the best at one part of it. “I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.” -Bruce Lee
Joe was right, boxing has died tremendously. The people are turning back into reality, they don’t want fake fights pulled by people above the fighters. People want real shit again.
@@thebigdogg2866Joe's promoting Ufc its clear as day he's just kissing Dana's ass. Joe can't box for sht I watched him spar,he don't like getting tappd on his chin.
@@thebigdogg2866 Because boxing revenue comes from many places and has many organisations, while UFC is a singular organisation where the revenue only comes from PPV buys and a couple sponsorship deals.
Works both ways, mma fighters are doing it to get huge paydays. But the fact a mma guy can go into boxing and fight the biggest guys in the sport straight away, with no preivous fights speaks volumes.
Read your comment again. Its MMA supplying Boxing with blood. You can't have a boxer fight in MMA 😂. All you can do is have an MMAer limit his movelist. Thats why the MMAers box, coz Boxers can't MMA 😂. Its a slaughter otherwise
It’s fine the past few fights I’ve watched have been good sure it’s not as good as it was in the 80’s or before but it’s not bad the same could be said about mma obviously over time different eras come into play or techniques every body is saying the exact same thing copy and pasted “boxing is in shambles” line by line but either they only watch RUclips boxer fights or think they know everything but watch them on shorts or what other people say
@@darrellwilliams1714old money? No there's money in boxing. Ufc doesn't pay. So boxing isn't dying...if it was dying boxers wouldn't be making 60 million a fight
This is why boxers want UFC fighters to in their realm, and not the other way around. Shoot, even Jake Paul said after their match, that he'd dight Nate Diaz in the octogon and admitted he would get destroyed.
In a ufc fight exactly,rules are in the Ufc.😂 You people act like a boxer can't have simple takedown or defense against them. That don't make them mma fighters foh
@@Bald_and_Brown Bruh I literally trained 6 months high school wrestling did a little Jv,learned single double legs,ankle pick,fireman carries,Sprawling,underhooks,bridging. It was ingrained an used it majority of my street fights an boxing being my main thing. I taught kids around the neighborhood basics,just a double leg an sprawl an they adapted it very quickly an it wasn't months of training an it could be learned just from horsing around with your brothers cousins or friends there's nothing intermediate like you making it out to be. Sht even rocky used basic wrestling when he fought Tommy an he's pure boxing.🤣🤦 You could learn simple grappling from watching early wcw wwf Roddy piper,William regal.🤣🤣🤣
@@leonardocontin937 fuckin Americans. No bc you don't want to kill anyone you fight, you wanna teach them a lesson. Also, how are you just gonna have a gun at all times? Youre not
@@leonardocontin937thats not a fight, that is violence. If it was a real fight both men would throw hands and dust it off afterwards. Only cowards hide behind guns, because they dont have the courage to fight. He dosen't have to be a good fighter, just have the courage.
@carlcarlson5553 in a real fight boxing holds no weight because your opponent is going to give it his all. Which he will be more entertaining to watch because there's more to his style and himself. I'd rather watch a guy fighting with his heart on his sleeve giving it all he has than some dancing jabber. 🤷♂️ boxing isn't that entertaining anymore because of all these BS rules and fancy looking moves that make the fight lackluster and seems almost predictable. MMA can go either way quicker because there's more room for error.
Boxing is very effective in real life. Often more than say BJJ. The thing is, it more so depends on the person and situation vs the martial art. @itzzwavezz4870
@@itzzwavezz4870 in a real fight no one gives a shit how much heart you have boxing is a sport where your trained how to take hits to the head and how to minimise the impact of each hit someone lands that's the point of rolling with punches. How is looking entertaining going to win a fight let alone a "real" fight which are notorious for being almost exclusively limited to hitting people in the head
@@o.d.b.5344but if wasn't quality either. Took years then a normal boring match. MMA the ref stops the fight, in boxing....the ref has to start the fight...over and over.
@@skindred1888 you completely missed my point. And you UFC fans sound goofy. Calling a sport “dead” yet boxing stays selling more PPVs. The only person in the UFC that actually sells is Connor Mcgregor that’s what you fans don’t want to accept. There will be a new boxing platform on Amazon Prime next year just wait.
@@regzzuse280yeah except Mcgregor is the only ppv star in the UFC. The UFC has to thrive on old overrated fighters that talk a lot while Boxing has young stars already
It’s just a different sport, it’s got a culture around it and it makes the most money. Of course if you are fighting a trained mma guy you probably won’t win unless you catch him with a check hook or something, but boxing is making a comeback rn, because it is still fun to watch and boxing culture is really what fans love about it
Bro what i was trying to say is that the fact that this guy lost his patience instead of actually proving that joe is wrong Shows that Joe is probably Right. I mean he couldn‘t even find Arguments proving that he‘s Right and joe is Not. @@mudhamartin1162
@@mudhamartin1162 I mean getting defensive in a debate without bringing facts and just saying "THATS BULLSHIT" doesn't mean he won the argument 😂 so yea he lost the arguement
Yea the money speaks but I don't get it. I have no idea why a sport where you can run on the wall of the cage and jump into a flying kick for the knock out didn't overtake boxing. It baffles me
@@Jadru LOL brother you boxers hug each other every time you get tired. The bottom of the UFC roster would massacre any top boxer in a street fight with minimal effort. You guys aren't doing real combat. AND it's boring on top of all of that.
MMA is also like that. They banned the Gracie's devastating technique of stabbing the back of the guy on top of you with the heels of your feet. Banned grabbing the cage. Like you wouldn't do that irl if you had the chance. Banned kneeing the guy if the guy has a knee on the ground. Banned rabbit punches. Nobody fights bare knuckles. Gracie made a guy, much taller than him, almost cry with short punches to the face with barefists. All these were a go in the beginning of UFC. The spectacular Matt Hughes technique of carrying someone on his shoulders and body slamming the person down wouldn't work if the opponent could elbow Hughes in the back of the head.
Boxing is a heavily limited form of fighting. Mma is just limited form of fighting. The UFC had to ban a lot of things in mma just to become a sport that’s not illegal in most the country
@@ssglbc1875That's what I don't like. Boxing feels like a sport. It's so limited that it doesn't feel like true fighting but it DOES feel like a sport. MMA just feels like fighting with it's legs cut off.
In my opinion high level boxing is way more entertaining of a sport than mma the problem is boxing as a whole didn’t reinvest in the sport since mma is has organizations in charge of their sport and actually reinvest in the sport its able to remain popular
Fights almost always go-to the ground though, a lot of guys are afraid to get hit and instantly wanna wrap up to avoid getting hit in the face even if they land big punches to start it off
It’s not a silly agreement or “we hate each other so we are going to put on big gloves and fight with strict rules that are nothing like an actual fight” most fighters don’t actually hate each other. Boxing is an art form that’s why it’s called martial arts. It’s not about getting in there and ripping each other apart over hatred. It is about testing each other to see who is more of a master of their art. Maybe some fighters really hate each other but thats not what it’s about. I am the biggest MMA fan and I never miss a UFC event. I don’t even watch boxing, but what Joe is saying is wrong. Except the part about it being swallowed, that is true. MMA has totally eclipsed boxing and for good reason. Just the first half of what he said about the silly agreement is wrong.
To me, boxing was always the “beuty queen” of the martial arts. Gentleman sport. Two guys hitting each other, one goes to the ground, the other waits for him to get up.. MMA on the other hand, is chaos. True gladiator shit. Love both tho. There is no point talking about which is better, it is just different. When it goes to situation: one room, two men, one walks out, MMA all day long baby.
Anyone that trained anything at least a bit practical, even stuff like proper taekwondo or kyokushin is gonna be miles ahead of the average Joe just due to conditioning, footwork and confidence. But as a fighter you want to have different tools for different situations and that's why MMA is the best at that. You can have the meanest right hook in the world and that won't mean anything if someone puts you on the ground. You can think you're slick and that no one will put you in that situation, but life teaches humility constantly. The reverse is also true - a great wrestler will get messed up if he can't throw hands and comes upon someone who can. The point is to know your strengths and know your weaknesses, playing into the former and improving the latter. Cuz all of these things are sports, and while you can relate a lot of it to self defense it won't be a 1/1 correlation. All of these things are just tools.
@@buckplug2423Boxing is the best in most situations in the streets, the majority of men are untrained and especially wannabe thugs in the streets, most trained fighters are disciplined and usual aren’t out starting street brawls so such a situation is unlikely unless your actively looking for a fight, not likely to happen if your a law abiding citizen. Reason why boxing is the best in most scenarios because with boxing you have the tools to end the fight quickly while bringing the fight to the ground puts you in a vulnerable position to getting stomped on. People don’t fight fair in the streets, if they see you drop their boy they join in to back him up, in such situations boxing is your best bet.
@@Dropshipping102my friend back in the day 15 years ago when we were teens won the national golden gloves twice and when we were 17 senior year he beat the shit out of some other kid who did wrestling his whole life and had trained in mma for 5 years. That same kid went pro in mma and had like 8 fights in bellator i never heare of him after that
Look at how old this video of Joe is. And MMA fans swear to this day that boxing is going to die lmao. Men lie, Women lie, numbers don’t. This year boxing had bigger fights than UFC and its not even close.
you mean youtube "boxing" or old ass fighters comming back and how long did it take to come back also the only thing that brought it back was the drama between the fighters some cry baby ass shit without the crying boxing just becomes just way less intresting drama shit is getting old ufc is also annoying with the drama too but makes up for the fights that take place
@@gamergamer7508 lmaooo you can’t even name 30 current REAL boxers. This is how I know you’re a casual that knows nothing about the sport! I can’t take you serious if you actually think that lmao delusional little boy. That’s why your champions like Sean O Malley are begging for a boxing fight 💰 💰💰💰😂
@@regulatorjk8389 it never left. Y’all just love to discredit boxing. 2023 was boxings year and it wasn’t even close UFC barely had any good events and the numbers don’t lie that’s why the UFC is DESPERATE for Connor to come back and boost their mediocre PPV numbers.
@@o.d.b.5344 im not tlaking about curent veiws rn and yes uf c is going down if you didnt even read the comment i put what i was saying was that boxing had not nearly the amout of money being pulled in as the ufc what happen before 2023
I dont know what people are talking about, Boxing killed itself, it wasn't taken over by a superior sport. MMA follows a boxing point system, is under a boxing regulation due to the Vegas commission. Boxing dictated a lot of the foundation that the UFC is built on. Its just they failed to continue to deliver a decent product.
A large segment of boxing for many many years was nothing more than less fake looking Pro Wrestling. Don King decided who won and who lost, not the boxers.. Boxing killed boxing 100%.
MMA is already done. That sht had its golden age and it just let everyone know that staged fights will never compare to death duels. I mean you still get some cool stuff in both boxing and UFC but it's they've both been game-efied.
@@Trollamollexnice try, but based on every detail and stats, MMA is the most dominant now, in terms of positive feedback or rating, boxing is dying except for couple big fights that's all what it has attention, unlike MMA it's already started and is blooming
What Joe doesn't understand is martial artists don't go around trying to fight people. In a real fight, all you need is boxing. If someone attacks you they're going to try and punch you. I've dealt with a handful of people on the street who have tried to punch me and I used.... Guess what.... Boxing.
Untill you fall to the ground, or clinch up after an over extended strike...and there's no ref to break it up. Or two padded shields on your hands to block punches.
He's full of shit. That's why. He's ragging on boxing, and yet he builds a wider desk so that he can try to escape from a retired boxer sitting across him.
@@garbour456 Don't you dare puting Alex Jones in the same light as that f#cked up g#nocidal n#zi c#nt Shapiro. They're not even close to being the same thing.
It's also kinda strange if you think about it, because they only hit with the fist 👊 in a certain way, jab, cross, hook, uppercut....no hammerfists, back fists, or any other hand strike allowed....I love boxing, it's arguably the best method for throwing hands with power, but it's a little weird that all hand strikes aren't allowed, no? 😅
Yeah but those rules exist probably because of safety reasons And if we are talking about a real fight Boxers aren't going to play by the rules Maybe they'll mix their attacks
Agreed he said none of that works in a real fight 😂😂 Joe was speaking emotionally here & went completely off the rails. He is right though that boxing is dead. I know this interview is about 10 years old, but there’s never any big time fights in boxing which makes the sport boring.
I love mma, but it’s really not even close to what you can call “the real deal” see out in the natural world we live in, there are no rules to protect you. meaning damn near “anything” can be used in a “real fight” making it ridiculously dangerous to try and use any hand to hand martial art to defend yourself. Better to learn how to get skillful with weapons based martial arts if self defense is what you’re aiming for. Or learn how to travel with a group of people. UFC’S MMA is also just a sport.
boxing is harder since compared to mma boxing has 12 rounds and unlike the arsenal you have in ufc where you can kick someone in the head and win boxing utilizes fists with big ass gloves unlike mma which have knuckle gloves. not only that but to utilize boxing your body conditioning needs to be top notch, if you even have one stat thats bad it can easily backfire for you unlike in mma lets say you dont have much strength you can use legs to dominate your opponents or if you dont have speed you can precisely counter your opponent but in boxing if you even have one stat thats lacking its gonna be pretty clear to whos gonna dominate the round
It’s a Sport Joe. You can’t use your hands in soccer, nothing stupid it’s just the rules of the sport. If a boxer had to defend his or her life and they pulled out a gun would that be cheating smart guy?
@@boxingdrills3 you lot really can't though. Your whole distance is completely off on multiple accounts. Your range for kicks isn't there, all that bobbing doesn't take knees and leg kicks into account or takedowns. Your clinch...is truly tragic. You lot legit need a ref to get the other guy off of you. So what happens when you clinch up...youre done. Wrestling/clinching is a natural part of fighting...it pretty much always occurs and there's no ref to break it up for you. You also don't have two shields on your hands to block punches. You're really over confident in your one marital art bud. I get it..every martial art does this, but there's massive holes in it
And in the ufc you can literally be in positions where in a street fight you’d get killed, but instead your opponent is not allowed to use certain strikes…
Ya but to say that boxing doesn’t work in the streets is just dumb because nobody knows how to kick in a street fight and wrestling doesn’t work at all in a actual fight
It sounds nice but Francis just made exponential amounts of money in one exhibition fight with Fury than he made his entire MMA career. Boxing is a sport and so is mma. Just because you hate rules doesn’t mean Dana and UFC aren’t reaming their products. At least a boxer sees Millions and UFC fighters don’t just fact.
Ngganou saw money because the fight was put on in Saudi Arabia..the Saudi's are willing to lose money to build their name in entertainment. There's a reason no promotion in the USA wanted that fight. A couple guys at the top in boxing make money but as a whole the UFC pays way better for the average fighter. And the UFC invests a ton of money back into the sport and into marketing. They built the sport and continue to do so. Boxing is fragmented and dying.
@@grantcorner1555 yeah use that excuse next time your boss doesn’t give you a raise. They took the money and used it for marketing is the dumbest take since the individuals whom are marketed in prize fighting.
Ngannou wouldn't have gotten there without mma and the UFC, lol. You think they're signing the line and not happy? You 100% don't realize it can take up to 5 years to get that money, and that none of them are making millions besides just a few top tier, like in the UFC, except in the UFC they're paid that night. You're just a fucking idiot.
Not as many rules as boxing lmfao. Why you don’t get a standing 10 count to save yo ass after getting knocked down nor you don’t have resist kneeing, elbowing and leg stomping opponents in MMA
Dibella is not a boxer ,he's a promoter. To be honest that wouldn't prove anything although I do agree that Boxing is a very limited form of fighting. I think both are great
"Boxing is DEAD, you're a DYING breed" ... name 1 UFC Fighter who ever made anywhere near the amount of money for a single fight Floyd Mayweather did ...
@@SINdaBlock411 buddy the fact that you can only talk about money instead of the actual product is the exact reason ufc is taking over. Whather a boxer gets paid or not has nothing to do with fans satisfaction. UFC is taking over
Fury vs Ngannou might have been the nail in the coffin tbh. Ngannou for all intents and purposes has the same amount of experience as an amateur, and look what he did to the heavyweight champ.
Fury is not a great example of a heavyweight champ imo. He has been exposed for cheating before. I'd like to have seen Ngannou fight a vicious or hard hitting heavyweight like a George Foreman or a Mike Tyson (in their prime ofc)
Heavyweight fights don’t count and is more dangerous regardless of skill. Don’t forget a 40 year old Floyd walked down McNugget who was considered a harder puncher at the time. Notice how it’s always mf weaboos with anime pfp defending UFC 😂
That's right but in terms of consistency and stacked cards mma destroys, I'd rather watch ufc 300 whole event than watch Fury vs Usyk even if it was more fun than any fight on 300
Yeah Joe is right. Why limit yourself by having a gentleman's agreement to only use your hands, and call that sport? Oh wait that's the definition of the word sport....
I agree with this to a degree, but a lot of other combat sports besides MMA have limits. Even MMA if we'll be real, most rulesets don't allow tactics such as stomping or kicking the head of an opponent that pulls guard, rabbit punching is still considered bad, you can't elbow your opponent on the ground in a certain way, headbutts are still illegal, etc. But yeah, it gives a way bigger arsenal to fight with compared to boxing.
@@iseespeed5311yeah MMA has more opportunity to be entertaining especially if you came from watching boxing for years. But to say MMA is not also a silly agreement or more efficient is a dumb argument. They're both sports at the end of the day, it's not real fighting Then again watching Ali fight is more entertaining than any UFC fight I've seen imo, and the entertainment lasts longer (that's the point of the big gloves). It's just modern boxing that's lacking, professional mma is organised so much better
@@jesussanchez8848 Put prime Tyson in a cage with any prime heavy weight UFC champ and Tyson isn’t making past the first round and that’s facts even Tyson himself said he couldn’t hang
80%~90% of the boxing problem is literally belts. Allowing fighters too avoid each other make it one belt only and these guys would be forced too fight if they want too be champion. The main thing about the UFC that the new guys instantly fall in love with is that the best fight the best and the ufc is already the best. Where as a boxer could be trash but 30-0 off fighting journey men the ufc is already the best guys and they climb a ranking system and the best fight the best that’s why long reigning champions in the ufc are so impressive because not only is the form of combat 10X harder that there going up against but they have also remained champion for years fighting only the very best. Fuck boxing if it disappeared right now I would literally barely care as the history of boxing and the glory eras would still be in my heart and memory
There's certain fighters that also have hugely padded records, but the belt thing... When is a one champion going to fight a UFC champ...not ever possible. Boxing has way more promotions than MMA that actually have the ability to fight each other at some point after dancing about for years...UFC will never let it happen now
@@skindred1888 it’s irrelevant because all the best guys are already in the UFC apart from a very select few. Like Mighty Mouse but we all know that story. Everyone wants too be in ufc literally they are already the best of the best fighting each other even the lowest ranked guys
tbh thats more boxing nowdays. 2 guys exchange 2 punches and then hug each other... in mma there is action and if they try that hugging sht they get separated
Boxing is an art. It’s literally called the sweet science. MMA is more apt for learning how to fight in general but it imo it lacks the beauty that pugilism brings
No, that isn’t what happens. That never happens. Look at one of the people Joe mentioned. James Toney. Three divisions champion incredible fighter but got submitted in the first round. Edit: James was the only high level boxer to come to a big league MMA promotion and he got subbed by a 49 year old Randy Couture
@@Memoryman12367 no, hardly any of them are. Most a grapplers who learn how to strike. The UFC is full of wrestlers. Even ONE FC which has way more strikers is just full of Muay Thai guys. It’s rare to see a “failed boxer” in MMA
@@Memoryman12367failed boxer doesn't mean failed fighter, put him in a cage with any actual boxing champion and let's see what happens. It just mean that their boxing it's not a 10, but it's compensated with other areas.
My Grandfather was a boxer in the late 1800's. He taught this little girl starting at 6yrs of age. I'm in my 60's now and still grateful for those skills. I agree with Mr. Rogan here 100%. A limited form of fighting.
MMA grew so much that it became obsessed with boxing, I don't understand there are hundreds of types of fights all over the world MMA focused on boxing, boxing makes money, mma not.
Boxing is limited but being able to focus on one component instead of the 3 or 4 others makes it easier to improve at, mma is definitely more effective
The interview was filmed in 2008 (source: Joe Rogan official YT). In 2023, it's more accurate than ever before.
There’s a super high pitched noise in the background of your video :/
@@xX69ilikemen69Xxno there isn’t
Yes there is
Are you stupid
How? Boxing is just as big as it was in 2008.
“You don’t know me, you don’t know what I’m a fan of”
He stood up for his beliefs, that’s a man
Real. Too few people now will just say "No, that's wrong." to someone's face.
“No you’re not”(a boxing fan) bro do you live in my brain to tell me what I am not a fan of 😂😂😂
I’m really happy how Joe handled this interview, he actually gave arguments(they could be countered, but the interviewer was not the man for this job, he did terrible).
@ToxicBastard it's pretty easy to tell someone they're wrong when they say you're not passionate about your passion.
Edit: used the wrong there lol.
Or thats just anyone
Well mma doesn't include biting scratching humping headbutting a front flip kick to the balls
boxing is now ruled by social media influencers and gimmick fights, joe was right
Thats cuz you're a casual fan so that's all you know.
No it’s not it’s just the little 8 year olds that watch it on shorts
You're just a moronic casual who doesn't know anything about boxing.
The fact that the fag brothers are the biggest guys in boxing proved joes point
@@JC_COMICSANDCOLLECTIBLESmma fighters are light years ahead of boxers in terms of an actual fight.
I’m going to tell my kids that joe Rogan went 591-0, founded MMA and was a physic (psychic) who could see the future
Edit: you guys spamming my notifications worried about my spelling, I appreciate it 😂👍
I'm gonna tell my kids, "Shhh, don't tell anyone!"
And he invented grizzly bears
also the founder of DMT and proud inventor of the calf kick 🦵🏻
Im gonna tell my kids Joe Rogan is the second coming.
He also wrote a best seller regarding the capacity of bears for fighting.
My MMA instructor always preached"NEVER BOX A BOXER"
Yeah and never roll with a jiu jitsu guy or wrestle with a wrestler unless you are trained in their sport and are familiar with the rules. An mma fighter would have a better chance at boxing than the boxer would have at mma although the mma fighter would be at a disadvantage due to lack of practice within those weird boxing rules.
Yeah it's called common sense just like you should never fight a trained fighter.... Doesn't matter what kind of fighting trained vs untrained always wins
Just like how you should never get into a real fight. It fucks up lives, not just yours or your opponents.
@@asdfghjkl-jk6mu are you stupid?? How does getting into a real fight fuck up anyone life unless you hospitalize them?? If no one has permanent injury or death nobody's life is ruined
@@asdfghjkl-jk6mu sometimes fights are necessary to say all fights ruin lives is complete bullshit you've clearly never been in one before
Boxing right now is in absolute shambles. There are almost no superfights , the undercard is basically non existent,and boxers just wanna pad their records and fight cans. The day of reckoning should have been wilder vs aj but like these superfights never fucking happen and now the window of opportunity for that is permanently closed.
It’s closed because Wilder stepped up in competition😂
Buddy what are you talking about. Its so much bigger than 10 years ago. Joshua and Fury rake in 10 times as many as mma stars.
Day of reckoning was a absolute bust, we need a ufc heavyweight card instesd
At least we got Spence vs Crawford
@@riec4482 we havent got haney vs tank or beterbiev vs bivol.
As a boxer. Yes MMA is taking over. End of conversation.
Impossible. Boxing is a 100 years old sport. There are far more boxing gyms in the world than mma gyms. Boxing is less popular right now because of shit boxers
cope lolol@@skysan4732
@@skysan4732what does it being 100 years old got to do with anything? Wrestling is much older and much less popular. Boxing is cool and shit, but mma has got it all.
It's less popular because it's not what people want to watch, look I'm not saying its on par with the WNBA for boring but just like the NBA is far more entertaining to watch than the WNBA, boxing is stereotypically a less entertaining form of combat sport for the audience. @@skysan4732
When is that going to happen lol.. its been 2 decades since mma become popular and hasn't seen a risen yet. Its dying out while boxing will remain supreme. MMA is boring bc bjj exist and thats the reason it doesn't have longevity. Bjj is a sport for those that do it, the general public really doesn't care, its boring to watch.
Honestly Joe Rogan has probably done more to get MMA to where it is now more than anyone else.
I’m terms of popularity/views Connor Mcgregor definitely has done the most
@@driessen16 you would think that, but that's a silly western perspective. Numagomedov basically became a demi god for his nation and whole countries try to raise athletes to become like him
@psychomonk2443 You would think that but thats a silly eastern perspective. Very few in the west are going to say Khabib is their favorite fighter.
Did you forget about Dana?
@@coolidgeowens320 numagomedov is one of the most popular fighters of all time since the Mc Gregor fight. The mix of the both created the hype. Clash of personalities
As a boxer I watch both and enjoy both for what they are and I think most people do
He was right. I used to be a boxing fan, turning my nose up at MMA. Now it’s clear as day to me that boxing is lost, the UFC is where it’s at
One fighting championship has the better Talent IMO
@@blumind_web2264maybe in terms of overall talent over all sports but their MMA talent is lacking and allegedly ONE is not profiting so they might be losing money.
Are you stupid
@@blumind_web2264true
i once beat the shit out of henry cejudo in tijuana
everyone said he is the state champion i was liek better he does not know how real street fights go
i just kicked the balls and the neck his friend jumped in to help him but i mean i had the whole bar in my side(the bar was mine) so they ended up leaving
moral of the story a fight ina ring is one thing a fight in the street is another you never know what you will find thank god i knew he was going to try and hit me instead of stabbing me so i agreed.
“Boxing fan yapping” im dead💀💀💀💀☠️💀☠️💀☠️
All UFC fighters do is yap to promote fights and still not get payed 💀💀💀☠️☠️☠️💀💀💀
@@almondmilkisgud7192Why you care about another man's pay anyway? It's not like you boxing fans earn a penny out of your daddys' income. Yet, if you end up in a fight with an average MMA boy, you're getting blasted💀💀💀☠️☠️☠️💀💀💀
@@es1ibAww he got you in your feelings 😂
@@es1ib‼️‼️🔥🔥🥶🥶😤😤
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I love Rogan, “You don’t know me, you don’t know what I’m a fan of!” 😂
I think we ALL know ... sadly ...
What does that mean?@@SINdaBlock411
Fury vs Ngannou says enough
What about Alex pereieras a guy with no grappling experience has now became the champ of 2 weight divisions, if MMA was that good then MMA fighters should be able to deal with a striker that had no previous grappling experience, Alex is 8 fights in and beat 4 past and current champions, does that make MMA look bad? Or is that just a genetic phenomenon
@@thebigdogg2866 periera is a kickboxer roagn is talking about boxing only
@@thebigdogg2866pereira has glover texeira as his coach and has improved his takedown defense and grappling skills immensely. how does he have little to no grappling defense?
@@boba9599 that's exactly my point, ngannou has Mike Tyson in his corner 😂
@@boba9599 I said experience not defence his grappling defence is on point
They dont understand that when an mma man is grabbed he can still defend himself but once a boxer is grabbed and taken to the ground its over.
Steve Jennum vs Melton Bowen
@@perfectsplit5515 yeah
nobody cares in the real world, everyone has a gun
You've gotta grab him first.
But comparing 2 different sports is pathetic, they can both coexist and if you do t like something don't watch it.
@@Cymru85 don't be retard I'm saying on street fight levels not about what I like to watch or not.
All I'm saying is Conor made it to the tenth round against a boxing GOAT, reverse the roles and Mayweather doesn't make it out of the first round.
True but Floyd is also not an early KO type boxer. He’d rather drag you to deep waters and finish you when you’re tired or win by dec. It’s also alleged that Floyd had people bet on him to get the tko in the 10th round (multiplier would’ve been like 25x). Floyd knew Conor would gas so he dragged it out
That's because Mayweather drags it out. Conor would probably get his face broken in the first round if he fought Canelo.
Francis knocked down the heavy weight champ of the world and went the distance.
Floyd was also playing with him the whole fight
Yes but Floyd Mayweather is literally known for not knocking people out like that's like one of the big things people bitch and moan about him because he's a boring fighter who fights for points not knockouts. The Nnganou fight was much more embarrassing for the sport in my opinion.
I grew up watching both, and taking both mma and boxing, it was something my dad and I bonded over and he pretty much taught me the same thing that joe says right here, it’s too true,
He's right
Boxing is a gentlemens sport. MMA is a warriors sport. Both are badass.
Nicely put.
Boxing is game of strategy and tactics.
MMA is game of strength and Ultra pain absorption.
@@AntiFurryJihadno there is far more strategy and tactic in mma u need to know much more then throwing punches and put it all in to use
@paganminster745hitting fallen man isnt really gentlemanish
"gentlemens' sport"
Average pro boxer in an interview: "eheuugh eghrrr habadaba hurr durr brain damage"
Joe was not lying to that man
Boxers still make more money than mma fighters
Yes, Joe was lying to himself ❤
@@VuchoglavskiI would love to see canelo try to defend a take down, a submission attempt or even check a kick 😂😂😂😂 Joe is 100% correct
@Smokeybonez_7 yeah, Joe is so 'right' and boxing got soo 'swallowed' that anytime a mma fighter wants to make some real money they play the clown to lure boxers into a boxing match for the payday 😂
@@Smokeybonez_7 I would love to see Jon Jones try and box a real boxer. Let's see who wins. And Tyson fury is not a real boxer. He is a super heavyweight sideshow. To say he is one of the greatest is a joke. A big time fight in boxing will still be watched by more people than an mma big fight.
Well Sean Strickland showed us that shoulder rolling is really effective in a real fight
Love Sean but shoulder rolling wouldnt help him against a decent grappler, izzy fight was basicaly a kickboxing match
Sean is a great grappler. He just prefers to stand up and fight
@@punchline9111but did it help in an mma fight against izzy?
@@julianfalken8861 Yes it did because it was a modified philly shell but like dude said Izzy is not a grappler and both fighters wanted to keep it standing. In an actual street fight a Philly shell can only do so much
@@punchline9111The shoulder roll wouldn't help him against a decent grappler?
That's your evidence that shoulder rolls don't work?
And also figure skating wouldn't help him in a shot put competition🤦♂️
Why would he be using the boxing shoulder roll when he is grappling on the ground?
Are you a Todd?
This is the problem with Joe Rogan and his fanboys...
NONE of you have trained.
ALL of your knowledge about hand-to-hand combat comes from a scripted TV show called the ufc.
Joe Rogan has exactly zero professional fights.
He is a professional actor...NOTHING more.
His only fights were in a nonsensical Taekwondo point fighting tournament...
Which Joe Rogan himself would call bullshido.
Well, Francis Ngannou didn't get the memo!! 😂
"You don't know me and you don't know what I'm a fan of"....damn Joe 😮😂
thanks for absolutely narrating
That is a great response, it's like when a liberal calls you racist because they're losing the argument, you definitely do not know me, so you better stop presuming that you know my views on the world, that is how we should answer those types of outbursts, because ultimately when somebody throws accusations like that they are basically just projecting their own feelings onto you
He is a fan of potato chips these days...
same goes the other way around
Why cant both sports just respect each other?
Their love language is fighting.
@skachor Yes, I find that fighters are the best advocates for their disciplines because they have the drive to fight and are thus inclined to defend their style in debates.
Because it’s always gotta be a dick measuring contest for some people
The marketing battle, they're fighting over the same audience. People online who argue over it just bought into what the business people were saying. Like the Monday Night Wars between WWE and WCW, the rivalry was for ratings but some fans got really into it and defensive of their side and still shit talk to this day
Joe does respect boxing.
Boxers try to discredit MMA's all the time because they know they'd be slaughtered in a real fight.
Against a professional MMA fighter maybe. Against 99% of people out there the boxers EASILY win
@@samuelwillard1301That applies to any affective martial arts, what are you tryna prove here brother
@@samuelwillard1301 Correct, but I was specifically referencing against MMA fighters. A lot of pro boxers like to talk smack about MMA when they know they cant beat those guys as soon as you can use all your skills, not just throwing hands.
@@samuelwillard1301the only advantage they have is on the feet in most real fights end up both guys on the floor
@@stevengray57 you're right about the advantage and I'd much rather know grappling but that whole "90% of fights end up of the ground" is just some shit to make BJJ guys sound cool. Literally every fight I've seen is two people who have no idea what they're doing throwing punches
You don’t know what I’m a fan of, that’s a badass response thats a real man’s response right there
That vid gets better and better as time goes on
you can box in MMA, but you can't do MMA in boxing. Its up to boxers to prove their art works in a more free ruleset, not the other way round
Boxing is the standard. Don't you have to knock the champ out to get the belt?? That's how the saying goes lls. Boxing doesn't have to explain itself, it's the champ. If Dana can't stop being greedy and give fighters more $ than there can be an argument. Both sports fight for their life but boxers get paid more respectfully. I like how someone said boxing is a gentlemen's sport nd MMA is for warriors. Boxers are warriors also. But I like the sentiment. Basically once you kick someone or try to (a felony in some states lol) it's extremely personal. Can't be civil then
@@Atlas365247 money is the only argument in favor of competing in boxing. And that's only because of age: boxing has been around for a lot longer and people in the 1920s didn't know better for a combat sport, its more rooted in western society so they have the "first mover advantage". Also, the general public is too lazy to learn about other techniques, they just want to see people punch each other.
I would argue though, if MMA fighters could pick and choose fights like they do in boxing, you would only have fighters with padded record who fight journeymen they are sure of beating. In the UFC dana decides, so in a way, the matchups are more interesting than jake pall who only fights people he knows he would win. And boxing is wayyyyyy more corrupt because of stuff like this. So much fight fixing and referee bias. There has been corruption also in MMA, but much less imo.
For a true martial artist who wants to know who can fight better (and not just punch in a specific way to score points), you have to evaluate all aspects of fighting, not "only punching". You could be better at punching than me, but I might be better at grappling or kicking. If you make a limited ruleset that says "nope, you can only use 1 tool" then you are basically measureing the outcome on one facet. It just makes more sense, on a scientific level, to have a more open ruleset like MMA.
@@Atlas365247why does cash matter to fans? Boxing dosnt have what fans want that’s the fights people want to see. And the competition is lacking. Too many belts. Those are real problems we see as fans. As fans we don’t care how much a fighter is being payed backstage what we want to see is entertainment and MMA sure as hell gives a ton of that
@@Atlas365247🤡
You know nothing about how real street fights work 😂
Boxing is exactly that boxing. It’s not fighting. Fighting encompasses so many different aspects, but boxers are the best at one part of it.
“I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.” -Bruce Lee
"You don't know me and you don't know what I'm a fan of" the way this man said that gave me the chills I freakin love Joe.
Joe was right, boxing has died tremendously. The people are turning back into reality, they don’t want fake fights pulled by people above the fighters. People want real shit again.
You know boxing still sells better than MMA, jow was wrong 😂😂
It's dying yet I'm not watching ufc.😂
I'm watching bkb an backyard sht.
@@thebigdogg2866Joe's promoting Ufc its clear as day he's just kissing Dana's ass.
Joe can't box for sht I watched him spar,he don't like getting tappd on his chin.
@@thebigdogg2866 Because boxing revenue comes from many places and has many organisations, while UFC is a singular organisation where the revenue only comes from PPV buys and a couple sponsorship deals.
@@thebigdogg2866it's more popular in America, sure...not the world
Boxing is in shambles right now but you still have UFC fighters seeking out boxing fights… how dead could it be?
Only because there's old money in boxing.
Works both ways, mma fighters are doing it to get huge paydays. But the fact a mma guy can go into boxing and fight the biggest guys in the sport straight away, with no preivous fights speaks volumes.
Read your comment again. Its MMA supplying Boxing with blood. You can't have a boxer fight in MMA 😂. All you can do is have an MMAer limit his movelist. Thats why the MMAers box, coz Boxers can't MMA 😂. Its a slaughter otherwise
It’s fine the past few fights I’ve watched have been good sure it’s not as good as it was in the 80’s or before but it’s not bad the same could be said about mma obviously over time different eras come into play or techniques every body is saying the exact same thing copy and pasted “boxing is in shambles” line by line but either they only watch RUclips boxer fights or think they know everything but watch them on shorts or what other people say
@@darrellwilliams1714old money? No there's money in boxing. Ufc doesn't pay. So boxing isn't dying...if it was dying boxers wouldn't be making 60 million a fight
This is why boxers want UFC fighters to in their realm, and not the other way around. Shoot, even Jake Paul said after their match, that he'd dight Nate Diaz in the octogon and admitted he would get destroyed.
In a ufc fight exactly,rules are in the Ufc.😂
You people act like a boxer can't have simple takedown or defense against them.
That don't make them mma fighters foh
@@FknClownShoesTakedown defence is something you train by wrestling, it’s not some easy thing you can just do lol
@@Bald_and_Brown Bruh I literally trained 6 months high school wrestling did a little Jv,learned single double legs,ankle pick,fireman carries,Sprawling,underhooks,bridging.
It was ingrained an used it majority of my street fights an boxing being my main thing.
I taught kids around the neighborhood basics,just a double leg an sprawl an they adapted it very quickly an it wasn't months of training an it could be learned just from horsing around with your brothers cousins or friends there's nothing intermediate like you making it out to be.
Sht even rocky used basic wrestling when he fought Tommy an he's pure boxing.🤣🤦
You could learn simple grappling from watching early wcw wwf Roddy piper,William regal.🤣🤣🤣
@@FknClownShoes😂😂😂 you a clown and i love it 😂😂😂
@@unclebigboss4.083 My lord you salty.
What I do wrong,because i know you ain't gonna prove me wrong.
Any fighting sport is an agreement, there are rules in everything
Exactly. Even MMA. I say that as an MMA fan
Yeah but MMA is way freer
Yeah It's a bit of a silly statement.
It It was a "real fight" the smarter one would get a gun
@@leonardocontin937 fuckin Americans. No bc you don't want to kill anyone you fight, you wanna teach them a lesson. Also, how are you just gonna have a gun at all times? Youre not
@@leonardocontin937thats not a fight, that is violence. If it was a real fight both men would throw hands and dust it off afterwards. Only cowards hide behind guns, because they dont have the courage to fight. He dosen't have to be a good fighter, just have the courage.
Unknown boxers still get paid more than unknown mma fighters that’s why people like boxing more but mma is 110% more affective
Effectiveness doesnt matter. Bareknuckle boxing is a far superior sport then mma for entertainment.
@carlcarlson5553 in a real fight boxing holds no weight because your opponent is going to give it his all. Which he will be more entertaining to watch because there's more to his style and himself. I'd rather watch a guy fighting with his heart on his sleeve giving it all he has than some dancing jabber. 🤷♂️ boxing isn't that entertaining anymore because of all these BS rules and fancy looking moves that make the fight lackluster and seems almost predictable. MMA can go either way quicker because there's more room for error.
Boxing is very effective in real life. Often more than say BJJ. The thing is, it more so depends on the person and situation vs the martial art. @itzzwavezz4870
@@itzzwavezz4870 in a real fight no one gives a shit how much heart you have boxing is a sport where your trained how to take hits to the head and how to minimise the impact of each hit someone lands that's the point of rolling with punches. How is looking entertaining going to win a fight let alone a "real" fight which are notorious for being almost exclusively limited to hitting people in the head
Unknown boxers doesn't get paid well, never did. Larry Holmes before he was champ fought for 100 dollars sometimes.
To everyone who brings up the PPV numbers. UFC has fights nearly every weekend. Boxing you have one good fight every 3-6 months
That doesn’t change the fact that boxing had bigger fights this year and sold more PPVs than the UFC. Quality over quantity.
@@o.d.b.5344but if wasn't quality either. Took years then a normal boring match.
MMA the ref stops the fight, in boxing....the ref has to start the fight...over and over.
@@o.d.b.5344 Quality over quantity 🤣🤣there’s a reason no one tunes into the prelim fights on a boxing ppv
@@Heizzer47 the numbers don’t lie bud 😂 name a UFC event that sold more PPVs than Tank vs Ryan this year…. I’ll wait.
@@skindred1888 you completely missed my point. And you UFC fans sound goofy. Calling a sport “dead” yet boxing stays selling more PPVs. The only person in the UFC that actually sells is Connor Mcgregor that’s what you fans don’t want to accept. There will be a new boxing platform on Amazon Prime next year just wait.
This aged like fine wine
Then why MMA salaries are trash 😢
@@sonnyliston8922
McGregor and Ngannou situation disprove Joe also.
You’re forgetting about Jake Paul. He alone puts MMA/UFC to rest
The awkward moment when you realize that boxing is the forth most watched sport in america and the mma isn't even in the top 10
@@regzzuse280yeah except Mcgregor is the only ppv star in the UFC. The UFC has to thrive on old overrated fighters that talk a lot while Boxing has young stars already
It’s just a different sport, it’s got a culture around it and it makes the most money. Of course if you are fighting a trained mma guy you probably won’t win unless you catch him with a check hook or something, but boxing is making a comeback rn, because it is still fun to watch and boxing culture is really what fans love about it
The Fact that the other guy lost his Patience proves that he‘s right
So, sound logic and reasoning aren't your criteria? Whether someone reacts is?
Have an argument with a vegetable - you'll lose every time.
Bro
what i was trying to say is that the fact that this guy lost his patience instead of actually proving that joe is wrong Shows that Joe is probably Right.
I mean he couldn‘t even find Arguments proving that he‘s Right and joe is Not.
@@mudhamartin1162
No, it's just a sign that he is impatient, not that he is wrong
0/1 there Freud
@@mudhamartin1162 I mean getting defensive in a debate without bringing facts and just saying "THATS BULLSHIT" doesn't mean he won the argument 😂 so yea he lost the arguement
This aged like fine wine in a wood barrel after 1000 years
Yea the money speaks but I don't get it. I have no idea why a sport where you can run on the wall of the cage and jump into a flying kick for the knock out didn't overtake boxing. It baffles me
He was right 🤷🏻♂️
@@Jadru LOL brother you boxers hug each other every time you get tired. The bottom of the UFC roster would massacre any top boxer in a street fight with minimal effort. You guys aren't doing real combat. AND it's boring on top of all of that.
You sir, know nothing about the proper way to age wine lol
That would actually probably taste like shit
MMA is also like that. They banned the Gracie's devastating technique of stabbing the back of the guy on top of you with the heels of your feet.
Banned grabbing the cage. Like you wouldn't do that irl if you had the chance.
Banned kneeing the guy if the guy has a knee on the ground.
Banned rabbit punches.
Nobody fights bare knuckles. Gracie made a guy, much taller than him, almost cry with short punches to the face with barefists.
All these were a go in the beginning of UFC.
The spectacular Matt Hughes technique of carrying someone on his shoulders and body slamming the person down wouldn't work if the opponent could elbow Hughes in the back of the head.
Boxing is a heavily limited form of fighting. Mma is just limited form of fighting. The UFC had to ban a lot of things in mma just to become a sport that’s not illegal in most the country
@@ssglbc1875That's what I don't like. Boxing feels like a sport. It's so limited that it doesn't feel like true fighting but it DOES feel like a sport. MMA just feels like fighting with it's legs cut off.
@@TrollamollexYeah boxing is a sport. What is wrong with that? If you want to kick, elbow, and knee theirs other sports you can practice.
as a boxing fan that does both mma and boxing i agree with him
Boxing just had 98,000 people attend a fight (Joshua Dubois). It's definitely not dying and definitely not going anywhere.
Boxing can become the biggest sport again even bigger than football if the system gets improved and there's a star like tyson and ali
In my opinion high level boxing is way more entertaining of a sport than mma the problem is boxing as a whole didn’t reinvest in the sport since mma is has organizations in charge of their sport and actually reinvest in the sport its able to remain popular
Bareknuckle sneaking up tho 🎯👌
pure violence
@@Red-mc5ee you do realize we are talking about the fight industry right?
Bareknuckle is boxing without gloves
more broken bones though@@WestlyJohn
Thats why its a sport, its not supposed to be extremly violent like UFC
In the street you should never go on the ground, So boxing is for sure the best combat sport to defend ourselves in street fight.
Good job mma includes boxing then isnt it? Plus If it does end up on the ground mma guys are covered
Fights almost always go-to the ground though, a lot of guys are afraid to get hit and instantly wanna wrap up to avoid getting hit in the face even if they land big punches to start it off
but what do you do if someone takes you to the ground?
100% boxing is the best for the streets! MMA guy here.
Hey andrew tate
It’s not a silly agreement or “we hate each other so we are going to put on big gloves and fight with strict rules that are nothing like an actual fight” most fighters don’t actually hate each other. Boxing is an art form that’s why it’s called martial arts. It’s not about getting in there and ripping each other apart over hatred. It is about testing each other to see who is more of a master of their art. Maybe some fighters really hate each other but thats not what it’s about. I am the biggest MMA fan and I never miss a UFC event. I don’t even watch boxing, but what Joe is saying is wrong. Except the part about it being swallowed, that is true. MMA has totally eclipsed boxing and for good reason. Just the first half of what he said about the silly agreement is wrong.
2024 Boxing is back baby...
It's gimmicks and influencer B.S though
@@eushak_3340 so is bjj ... Mikey Musumeci LOL really, THAT's your marketing plan for bjj?
To me, boxing was always the “beuty queen” of the martial arts. Gentleman sport. Two guys hitting each other, one goes to the ground, the other waits for him to get up.. MMA on the other hand, is chaos. True gladiator shit. Love both tho. There is no point talking about which is better, it is just different. When it goes to situation: one room, two men, one walks out, MMA all day long baby.
I can't speak for professional boxing, but in middle school my buddy took boxing lessons and he held his own very well in real fights.
yeah definitely will helo you against untrained people, but its a different story against other fighters
Anyone that trained anything at least a bit practical, even stuff like proper taekwondo or kyokushin is gonna be miles ahead of the average Joe just due to conditioning, footwork and confidence. But as a fighter you want to have different tools for different situations and that's why MMA is the best at that. You can have the meanest right hook in the world and that won't mean anything if someone puts you on the ground. You can think you're slick and that no one will put you in that situation, but life teaches humility constantly. The reverse is also true - a great wrestler will get messed up if he can't throw hands and comes upon someone who can. The point is to know your strengths and know your weaknesses, playing into the former and improving the latter. Cuz all of these things are sports, and while you can relate a lot of it to self defense it won't be a 1/1 correlation. All of these things are just tools.
It's going to be different against a trained fighter.
@@buckplug2423Boxing is the best in most situations in the streets, the majority of men are untrained and especially wannabe thugs in the streets, most trained fighters are disciplined and usual aren’t out starting street brawls so such a situation is unlikely unless your actively looking for a fight, not likely to happen if your a law abiding citizen. Reason why boxing is the best in most scenarios because with boxing you have the tools to end the fight quickly while bringing the fight to the ground puts you in a vulnerable position to getting stomped on. People don’t fight fair in the streets, if they see you drop their boy they join in to back him up, in such situations boxing is your best bet.
@@Dropshipping102my friend back in the day 15 years ago when we were teens won the national golden gloves twice and when we were 17 senior year he beat the shit out of some other kid who did wrestling his whole life and had trained in mma for 5 years. That same kid went pro in mma and had like 8 fights in bellator i never heare of him after that
Look at how old this video of Joe is. And MMA fans swear to this day that boxing is going to die lmao. Men lie, Women lie, numbers don’t. This year boxing had bigger fights than UFC and its not even close.
you mean youtube "boxing" or old ass fighters comming back and how long did it take to come back also the only thing that brought it back was the drama between the fighters some cry baby ass shit without the crying boxing just becomes just way less intresting drama shit is getting old ufc is also annoying with the drama too but makes up for the fights that take place
Your fav sport is ruled by RUclipsrs and freak show fights. UFC have actual athletes at their front
@@gamergamer7508 lmaooo you can’t even name 30 current REAL boxers. This is how I know you’re a casual that knows nothing about the sport! I can’t take you serious if you actually think that lmao delusional little boy. That’s why your champions like Sean O Malley are begging for a boxing fight 💰 💰💰💰😂
@@regulatorjk8389 it never left. Y’all just love to discredit boxing. 2023 was boxings year and it wasn’t even close UFC barely had any good events and the numbers don’t lie that’s why the UFC is DESPERATE for Connor to come back and boost their mediocre PPV numbers.
@@o.d.b.5344 im not tlaking about curent veiws rn and yes uf c is going down if you didnt even read the comment i put what i was saying was that boxing had not nearly the amout of money being pulled in as the ufc what happen before 2023
I dont know what people are talking about, Boxing killed itself, it wasn't taken over by a superior sport. MMA follows a boxing point system, is under a boxing regulation due to the Vegas commission. Boxing dictated a lot of the foundation that the UFC is built on. Its just they failed to continue to deliver a decent product.
A large segment of boxing for many many years was nothing more than less fake looking Pro Wrestling. Don King decided who won and who lost, not the boxers.. Boxing killed boxing 100%.
MMA is already done. That sht had its golden age and it just let everyone know that staged fights will never compare to death duels. I mean you still get some cool stuff in both boxing and UFC but it's they've both been game-efied.
@@Trollamollex “MMA is done” nice bait
@@Trollamollexnice try, but based on every detail and stats, MMA is the most dominant now, in terms of positive feedback or rating, boxing is dying except for couple big fights that's all what it has attention, unlike MMA it's already started and is blooming
@@wailbezzaz7966nah boxing makin way more money the ufc
Boxing will always be bigger than MMA because boxing pays more
Boxing is done 95% of time in street fights on average
What about a gun
@@juker59 guns are not everyday object in every country
all the more reason why bjj is useless 95% of the time in a real fight lol
@@SINdaBlock411that’s not true at all but alright
@@MosestheJohovace it is, if it weren't, you'd see bjj instead of boxing 95% of the time ... logic clearly isn't your specialty at all but alright :)
Joe Rogan said this in 2008. In the 15 years since, the top ten boxing matches made more money than UFC as a whole.
yea sure buddy. both top 10-2 are close. crazy how an mma fighters boxing debut is the 2nd most bought ppv of all time.
What Joe doesn't understand is martial artists don't go around trying to fight people. In a real fight, all you need is boxing. If someone attacks you they're going to try and punch you. I've dealt with a handful of people on the street who have tried to punch me and I used.... Guess what.... Boxing.
Until you come up against someone who can box and also wrestle and then you’re dead 😂
Untill you fall to the ground, or clinch up after an over extended strike...and there's no ref to break it up.
Or two padded shields on your hands to block punches.
@@SXNTX assumptions assumptions. I don't know who you think you're talking to.
@@skindred1888 assumptions assumptions. I don't know who you think you're talking to.
@@paddysteadies3828 I don't have a clue who I'm talking to. Why would I ? Nice copy and paste though bud.
This grows more and more true as time goes on and it shows with showtime Boxing being shut down recently
I really dont understand how people can hate Joe, he's such a genuine dude
He's full of shit. That's why.
He's ragging on boxing, and yet he builds a wider desk so that he can try to escape from a retired boxer sitting across him.
I mostly like him but he has a bad record of giving a platform to dangerous cranks. Alex Jones, Ben Shapiro etc
@@garbour456 Don't you dare puting Alex Jones in the same light as that f#cked up g#nocidal n#zi c#nt Shapiro.
They're not even close to being the same thing.
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@@garbour456lol just say you’re a pussy and move on
Does anyone else hear a high sharp pitched sound when watching this?
yea hurting my ears
Absolutely horrible i had to stop and I'm 27
It's also kinda strange if you think about it, because they only hit with the fist 👊 in a certain way, jab, cross, hook, uppercut....no hammerfists, back fists, or any other hand strike allowed....I love boxing, it's arguably the best method for throwing hands with power, but it's a little weird that all hand strikes aren't allowed, no? 😅
Yeah but those rules exist probably because of safety reasons
And if we are talking about a real fight
Boxers aren't going to play by the rules
Maybe they'll mix their attacks
Still they kill wrestlers in street fights 😅
So true, currently looking to learn mma myself
To say bobbing and waving is ineffective is absolutely wrong ufc fighters do it all the time joe should know
Agreed he said none of that works in a real fight 😂😂
Joe was speaking emotionally here & went completely off the rails. He is right though that boxing is dead. I know this interview is about 10 years old, but there’s never any big time fights in boxing which makes the sport boring.
I think you missed the part where he said that the bobbing and weaving is ineffective in a real fight. Not a sanctioned one.
Head kick
@@jpxx6674tell that to max holloway haha
@@jpxx6674that’s also wrong, the point of bobbing and weaving is to literally avoid getting punched…….someone doesn’t know how to fight
Joe said everything I feel about MMA. It is the best sport in the world. Boxing is just another sport
MMA is the real deal
Is not the best in the world and boxing is still on top on popularity over mmma because mma is not view worldwide as boxing is. 😂
I love mma, but it’s really not even close to what you can call “the real deal” see out in the natural world we live in, there are no rules to protect you. meaning damn near “anything” can be used in a “real fight” making it ridiculously dangerous to try and use any hand to hand martial art to defend yourself. Better to learn how to get skillful with weapons based martial arts if self defense is what you’re aiming for. Or learn how to travel with a group of people. UFC’S MMA is also just a sport.
boxing is harder since compared to mma boxing has 12 rounds and unlike the arsenal you have in ufc where you can kick someone in the head and win boxing utilizes fists with big ass gloves unlike mma which have knuckle gloves. not only that but to utilize boxing your body conditioning needs to be top notch, if you even have one stat thats bad it can easily backfire for you unlike in mma lets say you dont have much strength you can use legs to dominate your opponents or if you dont have speed you can precisely counter your opponent but in boxing if you even have one stat thats lacking its gonna be pretty clear to whos gonna dominate the round
boxing today is nothing compared to boxing back then. and if we compare boxers to mma fighters boxers have amazingly better physiques
It’s a Sport Joe. You can’t use your hands in soccer, nothing stupid it’s just the rules of the sport.
If a boxer had to defend his or her life and they pulled out a gun would that be cheating smart guy?
Tell that to every boxer that thinks they're the baddest man on the planet and could destroy anyone in a fight
@@skindred1888we really can. Im not wrestling on the street where someone can kick me in the head, or stab me
@@boxingdrills3 we really can what ...?
Okay.
@@skindred1888 destroy anyone in the fight
@@boxingdrills3 you lot really can't though. Your whole distance is completely off on multiple accounts.
Your range for kicks isn't there, all that bobbing doesn't take knees and leg kicks into account or takedowns.
Your clinch...is truly tragic. You lot legit need a ref to get the other guy off of you.
So what happens when you clinch up...youre done.
Wrestling/clinching is a natural part of fighting...it pretty much always occurs and there's no ref to break it up for you.
You also don't have two shields on your hands to block punches.
You're really over confident in your one marital art bud.
I get it..every martial art does this, but there's massive holes in it
And in the ufc you can literally be in positions where in a street fight you’d get killed, but instead your opponent is not allowed to use certain strikes…
Facts most of these dumbass mma fans don’t know that
That’s why boxing still pays 10-50x more money than any MMA organization…. Right?
we are talking about disciplines, not institutions
@@saidrakhmiddin9860 He is saying that boxing will be consumed by MMA as a sport. This is not going to be true for a very long time, if ever.
It already is jus look at ppv numbers,it's jus that fighters don't get paid shit in the ufc
For like 15 people yes
Mma fighters are brokies
Joe Rogan is wrong on this one!!!!! This ages badly for sure.
Lol ? As far as I am concern influencers are becoming more known/popular than the real boxers in boxing world right now 😅
@@Hacker-orwot1that's cos you don't know anything about boxing.
Joe Rogan is consistently wrong about everything LMFAO
@@Hacker-orwot1 One of the influencers has already knocked out one of the best WW fighter of UFC in boxing. Best fighter getting beat by a youtuber?
@@LHBH8 lol these boxing fans trying so hard to defend boxing 🤣🤣🤣
As a fan of boxing, I can say, he actually is right.
Ya but to say that boxing doesn’t work in the streets is just dumb because nobody knows how to kick in a street fight and wrestling doesn’t work at all in a actual fight
@@owen6033he didn’t say it doesn’t work he is saying it’s not as affective as others
Exactly right Joe...Once a fight goes to the ground, totally different gamer.
He was fucking right
Kinda. MMA might as well be dead. It's better in technicality and it's also the worst it's ever been in entertainment value.
It sounds nice but Francis just made exponential amounts of money in one exhibition fight with Fury than he made his entire MMA career. Boxing is a sport and so is mma. Just because you hate rules doesn’t mean Dana and UFC aren’t reaming their products. At least a boxer sees Millions and UFC fighters don’t just fact.
Ngganou saw money because the fight was put on in Saudi Arabia..the Saudi's are willing to lose money to build their name in entertainment. There's a reason no promotion in the USA wanted that fight.
A couple guys at the top in boxing make money but as a whole the UFC pays way better for the average fighter.
And the UFC invests a ton of money back into the sport and into marketing. They built the sport and continue to do so. Boxing is fragmented and dying.
@@grantcorner1555 yeah use that excuse next time your boss doesn’t give you a raise. They took the money and used it for marketing is the dumbest take since the individuals whom are marketed in prize fighting.
Ngannou wouldn't have gotten there without mma and the UFC, lol. You think they're signing the line and not happy? You 100% don't realize it can take up to 5 years to get that money, and that none of them are making millions besides just a few top tier, like in the UFC, except in the UFC they're paid that night.
You're just a fucking idiot.
Even MMA has rules Joe Rogan. Wake up.
Not as many rules as boxing lmfao. Why you don’t get a standing 10 count to save yo ass after getting knocked down nor you don’t have resist kneeing, elbowing and leg stomping opponents in MMA
This aged beautifully
Joe should've ended with, "fight me then".
Dibella is not a boxer ,he's a promoter. To be honest that wouldn't prove anything although I do agree that Boxing is a very limited form of fighting. I think both are great
"Boxing is DEAD, you're a DYING breed" ... name 1 UFC Fighter who ever made anywhere near the amount of money for a single fight Floyd Mayweather did ...
Buddy Floyd maywhwther is done. That’s old generation. The new age, ufc will be supreme
@@MarvelMadness2003 no ufc fighter will ever make what Floyd Mayweather will have made budd, Dana White will NEVER allow that
@@SINdaBlock411who cares
@@AUS6267 if you had that type of money pretty sure you would
@@SINdaBlock411 buddy the fact that you can only talk about money instead of the actual product is the exact reason ufc is taking over. Whather a boxer gets paid or not has nothing to do with fans satisfaction. UFC is taking over
lf anything is going down is ufc.
Joe being the most logical , reasonable , and common sense speaker per usual
Fury vs Ngannou might have been the nail in the coffin tbh. Ngannou for all intents and purposes has the same amount of experience as an amateur, and look what he did to the heavyweight champ.
Yep. In hindsight maybe Tyson Fury was overhyped (with Wallin and Wilder losing this Christmas)
Yep, because fury sold his fucking ass to sheiks, he could have killed ngannou in a lot of momente
Fury is not a great example of a heavyweight champ imo. He has been exposed for cheating before. I'd like to have seen Ngannou fight a vicious or hard hitting heavyweight like a George Foreman or a Mike Tyson (in their prime ofc)
Heavyweight fights don’t count and is more dangerous regardless of skill. Don’t forget a 40 year old Floyd walked down McNugget who was considered a harder puncher at the time. Notice how it’s always mf weaboos with anime pfp defending UFC 😂
@@ballerplayapimphuztlaafter him vs aj if he fought one of them he would get his ass laid on the mat after 1 punch😂😂
To be fair, any warrior in history could say something similar about mma
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You're talking out of your ass
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What???
@@FarhanLabib-e3r that it's a very limited form of fighting
MMA is crazy big but the biggest boxing matches always outweigh the biggest ufc fights
That's right but in terms of consistency and stacked cards mma destroys, I'd rather watch ufc 300 whole event than watch Fury vs Usyk even if it was more fun than any fight on 300
Boxing isn’t getting swallowed by MMA anymore than basketball is getting swallowed by football. There’s room for both and both are great sports
So true a kick boxer will beat any boxer
A Muay thai fighter but not a kickboxer and that's if they have comparable skill levels. A low level Muay thai guy isn't beating an elite boxer
You mean in the club, wearing jeans and stuff?
Yeah Joe is right. Why limit yourself by having a gentleman's agreement to only use your hands, and call that sport? Oh wait that's the definition of the word sport....
I agree with this to a degree, but a lot of other combat sports besides MMA have limits. Even MMA if we'll be real, most rulesets don't allow tactics such as stomping or kicking the head of an opponent that pulls guard, rabbit punching is still considered bad, you can't elbow your opponent on the ground in a certain way, headbutts are still illegal, etc. But yeah, it gives a way bigger arsenal to fight with compared to boxing.
@@iseespeed5311yeah MMA has more opportunity to be entertaining especially if you came from watching boxing for years. But to say MMA is not also a silly agreement or more efficient is a dumb argument. They're both sports at the end of the day, it's not real fighting
Then again watching Ali fight is more entertaining than any UFC fight I've seen imo, and the entertainment lasts longer (that's the point of the big gloves). It's just modern boxing that's lacking, professional mma is organised so much better
No boxing champ is beating ANY UFC champ......period.
A bunch of mma fighters wouldn’t even go near mike Tyson in his prime, just like you wouldn’t, nice try though
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Put prime Tyson in a cage with any prime heavy weight UFC champ and Tyson isn’t making past the first round and that’s facts even Tyson himself said he couldn’t hang
Boxing died long before MMA came to pop culture, MMA just filled the void that boxing left behind
80%~90% of the boxing problem is literally belts. Allowing fighters too avoid each other make it one belt only and these guys would be forced too fight if they want too be champion. The main thing about the UFC that the new guys instantly fall in love with is that the best fight the best and the ufc is already the best. Where as a boxer could be trash but 30-0 off fighting journey men the ufc is already the best guys and they climb a ranking system and the best fight the best that’s why long reigning champions in the ufc are so impressive because not only is the form of combat 10X harder that there going up against but they have also remained champion for years fighting only the very best. Fuck boxing if it disappeared right now I would literally barely care as the history of boxing and the glory eras would still be in my heart and memory
There's certain fighters that also have hugely padded records, but the belt thing...
When is a one champion going to fight a UFC champ...not ever possible.
Boxing has way more promotions than MMA that actually have the ability to fight each other at some point after dancing about for years...UFC will never let it happen now
@@skindred1888 it’s irrelevant because all the best guys are already in the UFC apart from a very select few. Like Mighty Mouse but we all know that story. Everyone wants too be in ufc literally they are already the best of the best fighting each other even the lowest ranked guys
@@convictrs8263 buddy...that's literally just UFC marketing that you're swallowing up 😂
How utterly pathetic
@@skindred1888wow I actually agree on this take
Ngl I ain’t trying to watch 2 grown men grab each other.
What are you going to do in a fight run away? Get naked? Call yourself gay?
Call yourself gay because you WANT to grab him, but are too insecure to imagine yourself "grab another man" so then you'd just die. Real good mindset.
tbh thats more boxing nowdays. 2 guys exchange 2 punches and then hug each other... in mma there is action and if they try that hugging sht they get separated
Boxers when they realise there’s more to a fight then punching and clinching: “🤯🤯🤯 MMA BAD, GRAPPLING IS GAY 🤬🤬”
High level grappling is awesome in MMA, you're missing out bro
This was 15 years ago. When will MMA swallow boxing?
id watch boxing anyday rather than having to watch 2 bjj guys getting gay with each other on the floor
That's the most closeted homo shit I've ever heard. You're the kind of guy that says that and jerks it to gay porn in secret
As a boxer, I agree with Joe rogan
Bobbing, weaving, and shoulder rolling works in a real fight tho
@@Kris710x Yeah all the boxers I know absolutely ravaged people in street fights.
Boxing is an art. It’s literally called the sweet science. MMA is more apt for learning how to fight in general but it imo it lacks the beauty that pugilism brings
We all know boxers enter MMA and dominate. Right? Is that what routinely happens?
No, that isn’t what happens. That never happens. Look at one of the people Joe mentioned. James Toney. Three divisions champion incredible fighter but got submitted in the first round.
Edit: James was the only high level boxer to come to a big league MMA promotion and he got subbed by a 49 year old Randy Couture
@@incognito5952 lots of mma fighters are failed boxers. Like ngannou, though he is making a name for himself in boxing now.
@@Memoryman12367 no, hardly any of them are. Most a grapplers who learn how to strike. The UFC is full of wrestlers. Even ONE FC which has way more strikers is just full of Muay Thai guys. It’s rare to see a “failed boxer” in MMA
@@Memoryman12367dumbass comment “ though he is making a name” bro beat the p4p best boxer in the 21st century
@@Memoryman12367failed boxer doesn't mean failed fighter, put him in a cage with any actual boxing champion and let's see what happens. It just mean that their boxing it's not a 10, but it's compensated with other areas.
So much better to watch than the ufc
Rogan is a clown 🤡
How?
@@Kokoale2.0don’t waste your breath lol
he was right
My Grandfather was a boxer in the late 1800's. He taught this little girl starting at 6yrs of age. I'm in my 60's now and still grateful for those skills. I agree with Mr. Rogan here 100%. A limited form of fighting.
I really appreciate ear deafening ringing when im trying to watch a short
100% true. Even MMA rules is limited to a street fight.
People act like when boxer get grabbed or taken down they turn into stephen hawkings and cant punch anymore smh
Facts. I’m a boxer and can safely say MMA is more affective and useful and I’d rather have taken that route as a child
MMA grew so much that it became obsessed with boxing, I don't understand there are hundreds of types of fights all over the world MMA focused on boxing, boxing makes money, mma not.
Boxing is limited but being able to focus on one component instead of the 3 or 4 others makes it easier to improve at, mma is definitely more effective