History Primer 155: Colt 1905 Documentary
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- Опубликовано: 20 мар 2022
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
Cow used for demonstration:
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Additional reading:
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Colt .45 Service Pistols
Models of 1911 and 1911A1
Complete Military History Development and Production 1900 through 1945
Charles Clawson
The Colt Model 1905 Automatic Pistol
Potocki
Colt Automatic Pistols
Donald B Bady
US Military Automatics 1894 - 1920
Edward Scott Meadows
The Government Models
The Development of the Colt model of 1911
William H.D. Goddard
Machinery Magazine - pg456
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Ammunition data thanks to DrakeGmbH
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Animations by Bruno!
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Just 6 years left until the 1911 episode!
Oh boy!!!!
6 years of colt models, or 6 years of Primer episodes? :p
@@antitheta777 yes
Remember they already filmed the Villar Perosa a long long long time ago, don't be surprised if it derails the Colt series.
The suspense is terrible.... I hope it lasts.
Lol
the 1911 Primer episode will be more anticipated than the next MCU movie I swear
This channel has teased the harder then the mcu did thanos
People anticipate MCU movies?
@@RayTX1337 they did for some strange reason.
1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 YEA
what even is the next one... multiverse of madness? I hear the new spoderman came out, I need to watch it at some point but I heard you had to go to one of those big rooms full of people to watch it? some sort of Movie Opera House?
Me; Comes back from almost three years of hiatus due to University, life, and burnout.
Othias, Mae, and C&Rsenal Gang; Still exists and continues their work.
Me; You are as beautiful as the day I left you.
I have to admit that I almost want to buy the cow just so I can leave a 5 star Amazon review gushing over how useful this plushie is for testing .45 ACP.
I'm calling mine Crozier after the mad f* not the whistle tater.
Yes! Do it.
.45 anti-cow pistol?
You can really tell it is 2am and both of them are now suffering the "silliness". Love the "Why are there so few of these" " Because they came up with the 1911".
51:19 Never noticed it before, but when Othias waggles his eyebrows, his hat bounces up and down in time.
And with that observation, normal programming can resume. :-D
Lotta folks get hung up on the caliber that Thompson and LaGarde recommend, overlooking the fact that they also emphasize the importance of marksmanship, even suggesting to revise the pistol training target to better drill soldiers in hitting vital areas. They knew there was no replacement for shot placement.
A .22lr to the head or heart or a major artery will put you down much faster than a .45 to the lung or gut or... This is also why full auto was phased out for the average rifleman soldier after Vietnam, during which they found the average was something like 200 rounds fired per kill. Shot placement is key, but it's one thing on the range and another thing in actual combat when the pressure is on, adrenaline is flowing and people are trying to kill you. Big rounds were, I think, meant to sort of equalize that difference.
If memory serves during the "single shot to muscle tissue" portion of the slaughterhouse evaluation the .32 ACP dropped the cow faster than any other round. After they did the post mortem they realized they'd unintentionally severed a vein and it had bled out as a result. So shot placement is the king.
There is no replacement for shot placement.
the military "Marksmanship? That's crazy! It costs too much! Let's just go with big bullets!! "
@@J.DeLaPoer Yeah, shot placement is key above all else, but the reality of combat is you won't have perfect shot placement. That's because the average soldier isn't Robocop and can nail a small target like a CNS hit every time at all ranges under time pressure. Therefore, a larger round that can do more tissue damage means your shot placement can be more off and still do more damage, whether it's having a greater chance of nicking something important should your aim be off, or creating bigger holes in the target for faster bleed out and organ shut down.
I’m not saying you should always shoot at 0200AM, but this was a lot of fun!
I'm glad that Mae told us, because otherwise I would've thought Othias had lost his mind
I hope y'all appreciated the "cownter".
My paternal grandfather carried a S&W Model 1917 as an officer in a machine gun company during The Great War in 1918 due to a shortage of M1911s. The shortage was the result of the massive expansion of the Army when we figured out it wasn't going to be "just another European war." My grandfather was a gas casualty and evacuated back to the US. He was invalided out of the service in late 1920/1. He was a county agricultural agent until he sickened with tuberculosis & died in 1928. My younger daughter has his officer's saber, and my older brother has the big S&W revolver. My father carried it during WW II as a USAAF bomber pilot.
42:50 - "oh god" - if it's the infamous salty liquorice, I admire your restraint, Othais.
The 1904 grand opening of the Thompson-LaGarde Steakhouse in downtown Chicago was just a coincidence.
The person finding the lump of lead was the prize winner!
The very first time I saw a photo of a 1905 I was about 14 years old. I'd already been shooting my father's handguns for three years (Thanks, Dad) and remember thinking even at that age how horrible that grip angle was.
Every day we grow closer and closer to the 1911 episode
I'm surprised they haven't done the 1911
@@Excalibur01 They did. The Swiss 1911 was covered a while ago.
What's a 1911? Must be a real obscure thing if it hasn't been covered yet.
It's hapenninggggggggggg 😁
@@Excalibur01 They said a while ago that they wanted to do all the stages of the 1911 in order and didn't want to start until they had them all.
It’s interesting that while the 1911 seems “obviously” the best design to many people, who see the design emerging in on piece from JMB’s brain, nothing could be further from the truth. The road to the finished design was full of fits, starts, halts, and head-scratchings.
That is an overall good thing, since no design is usually perfect out of the box and being able to radically change the design based on feedback is what helped it become such a great gun. Meanwhile you look at the C93 Borschart where the designer just said "Nope, gun's perfect, I'm not changing shit" and it only truly became successful once Georg Luger came along and turned it into the Luger. And even that didn't have the staying power the 1911 did.
I remember seeing this in a old sears catalog. In the description it said that the 1905 colt was more powerful than a rifle and has a range of 1000 yds. 😂😂😂 still cool to see them as an option.
God damn the cap was so big at the turn of the century.
False advertising was an unknown concept in the good old days.....
What rifle are they talking about? A .22 carbine?
We can consider those declarations of the time on the Colt1905 as being woefully optimistic! Thanks for sharing that but of info, too cool!
Center mass bovines. Sounds like a metal band. Great upload
2AM Mae and Othais are hilarious.
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That Liquorice went straight to Othias' Head
It’s nasty.
@@davidbrennan660 And I’m guessing it does a number on pistol finishes…
Given the description of the testing of the various caliber bullets, I am very thankful for the existence of ballistic gelatin.
Did you forget the meat target. I like the meat target over ballistics gelatin.
@@gotsloco1810 I pictured bullets hitting carcasses and the types of damage these would cause to bones, ligaments, and organs based on what I've seen from ballistic gelatin being hit by various pistol and revolver rounds. If picturing this makes you happy, good for you. It makes me slightly nauseated.
@@ronmaximilian6953 they are referring to a method used by some, notably Paul Harrell, who use store bought meat and produce to simulate a living target
Now I really want a Coen Bro's rendition of the Thompson LaGarde trials. It's just too whimsical and ridiculous to pass up.
I'd imagine a film with hints of "The Death of Stalin"
That Photoshop clip had me laughing out loud. I love you guys.
I had a permanent grin the last 20 minutes. Pure Othais/Mae magic 😂😂
The fact that John Thompson was born before the end of the civil war melts my brain just a little bit. He also saw the start of WWII.
There were a handful of Civil War veterans that also served during WWI. Usually as higher ranking officers coming back from retirement, though.
@@TenaciousTrilobite It's a bit like seeing that picture of the Civil War vet standing next to the F-86 Sabre. It's not that it didn't happen, but the fact it happened so close together is just weird.
So we had Penguin slides to explain weird Russian magazine ideas and now good ol wooden reference figurine doll to explain US testing on Cadavers to settle on what the boomers call "God's Caliber". Also Fluffy Cows. And Horse Pinata.
The Othais Way.
if Othais wants to monatize the video he has to be super careful of the almighty algorythm and it's total hatred of ANY gun channel ... even professional educational content because this stopped being RUclips some time ago when it was decided corps should get to sensor our interests
personally this channel is one of the best I have seen with very well produced content
best wishes :)
This is the way 😃
I just bought Elmer Keith's book Sixguns and have to share a couple quotes from it.
"Many times a mad Moro tribesman would absorb a whole chamber full of these little .38 slugs in his chest, then come right on in and clip off the officer's head with one swing of his bolo." That was concerning the .38 Long you discussed.
"When a Moro collected a 250 grain .45 Colt slug in the chest he usually lost interest in all things earthly, then and there." That addressed the .45 Colt.
*Othais: Brings up the full feed ramp in the 1905 design* *Me: Laughs in Para-Ordnance P14-45* for real though, I've heard a lot of folks complain about the P14's.......I have either got lucky for once when buying the first one I had, and also the second one I currently have because both never gave/give me any trouble. Also I have had an obscene amount of "fudds" get excited knowing a young'in daily carrying a 1911, only to have their faces contort out of shear hatred and disgust when I tell them its a double stack while they are angrily saying the time tested phrase, "YOU DON'T NEED MORE THAN 7 ROUNDS KID!" .....like.....okay, only I know for a fact the mag that is in your daily carry 1911 is a 8 round Chip McCormick mag and you have 3 10 round Wilson Combat extended mags because you were so excited to buy them from this exact shop when I was working here XD
My custom built 1911 was off a Para Ordnance frame. I love this thing. Got some 15+1 magazines for it and some Taylor Freelance extensions which add an additional 3 rounds. So I have a 15+1 flush fit for normal carry and 18+1 extended for reloads if need be, all in .45ACP. Definitely a lot of firepower there.
I've haven't seen many Fudds complain about my gun, probably because outside of the double stack frame it keeps everything else good about the 1911. Does make the grip pretty thick, though, so I can understand complaints from people used to shooting strictly single stack 1911s. Doubling the capacity of .45ACP doesn't come with no downsides. But since I like shooting my Desert Eagle, that's not a problem for me. lol
28:18 (Mae) whoa...nice kick. this one ain't messin' round...
Scientifically speaking, terminal effect is measured by the interaction of two different things:
1) Velocity at Impact
2) Cross Sectional Area of the Projectile
It's no surprise a larger diameter bullet, who is also heavier, would show good marks on a terminal effects test. The increase in diameter is already meeting one parameter, while the retention in velocity of a heavier bullet would meet the other. Of course modern bullets with their jacketed projectiles and expansion capabilities meet the requirements to attain desired terminal effects, but back in the day the large diameter pistol bullet did gain the edge in performance for a short time.
I don't think it's a question anymore of which is better, but for a few decades there the .45 (and other types) was a clear winner in terminal performance.
...thank you for the animation of the disconnector especially with its distinctive color that separates it from the sear...no one has ever shown the relationship of the 'connector' to the sear with that kind of clarity...I've been looking for a very long time for just such a description/animation of the disconnector/sear...
You're welcome, it's comments like yours that make my work rewarding.
@@baanimations3689 ....most if not all animations ignore the 'connector' (as IIRC, Layne Simpson, calls it)...I'd been looking for an animation that shows exactly HOW it operates and this is bloody EXCELLENT...thanx again)
The best looking colt pistol imo. I wish somebody would make a new version, modernised internally, but very true to the looks of 1905.
Now I want 1812 Overture played with various Colt automatics. Like a miniature version.
So, a 1911 Overture? 😁
Thank you for all your hard work in Firearms history
The best part about working 3rd shift is new episodes are released while I'm awake, so I get to watch them right away.
I honestly thought that you guys had that stuffed cow laying around the house already....
And Mae and Othias trying to keep straight faces when she started into Meme Territory was priceless.
That suction cup dart Luger is a thing of beauty !
Although I don't think i've ever missed an episode, this is the first time I have seen Mae so animated in her reaction to the recoil and Blast of the pistol. A mixture of surprise, happiness and joy. She is such a cool chick. In a very platonic way from this 73 Y/O man
The details you shared of the cadaver and livestock testing were already horrifying. I can't imagine what reading the full report would be like.
All my troubles are so far away. Thanks c&r team😘
Mae being done with Othias at the end, gold
Finally a new episode! Glad you guys never disappoint with the quality!
I know it isn't perfect design but i really have to say for Browning sticking with his toggle link concept, the dual function locking lugs is absolutely brilliant and so simple. The locking lugs have to be there anyway, why not make them dual function?
Its likely the source of the brutal recoil? nice short trip back then BAM hard into the frame. I think its a great idea for something more sane in a pistol than .45 ACP if you don't want to tilt the barrel.
@@xt6wagon i would have to disagree with ya on the influence on the recoil if only because it happens toward the end of operation when most of the recoil and muzzleflip would have taken effect. I think the increased recoil is from a number of factors. The weight of the pistol being a full half pound lighter than the 1911, the operating system being designed to handle a lighter projectile, and the angle of the grip being more shallow. All those would combine to really amplify the .45 ACPs recoil. Granted, the lower locking lugs may contribute but i think overall it is more the ergonomics and design of the pistol itself that lead to how fierce this pistols recoil is.
This is such a awesome series. You guys are the best.
Keep up the good work. Can't wait for the next videos.
I was fortunate and worked at a store that handled the sale of a collection of 45 automatics which contained a couple of the 1905s one with the shoulder stock holster and round hammer, the other had the spur hammer. The collection was a great educational opportunity as it also contained all the rare 1911s, Reminton/UMC, Union Switch & Signal, Singer and North American Arms as well as foreign contracts, 455 RFC, and the Russian British, I cannot remember all the details as this was in the late 1970s. It would be wonderful if you could get a Savage 45 and a reproduction 45 Luger and do your own trials comparison. I think Ian has had all 3 but I don't think he got to shoot the Savage. Wonderful presentation. Thanks.
He has definitely shot a Savage in .45. It is one of his oldest videos.
Was excited to see this one for sure. Love this series!
When do we get a full history of the toy suction cup dart gun?
It's been featured, now we need to know...
I demand an episode! Ylthis information is vital to national security and knowledge!
47:30 this made me chuckle :p
as did the entire eyebrow waggle session just after
Kudos to your cow and pistol props.
I am really, really enjoying this entire series. Thank you!
Othias: Mae's too weak for .45ACP
Mae: Hold my T-Gewehr!
The prop budget for this show must be through the roof
Love all these videos guys, please keep up the great work!
.45acp, for when killing horses is a key factor in selecting a gun.
9mm, for when you are shooting at mere men.
I was thinking much the same thing. "If the US army's ever in a war against cows and they only have handguns, this is ideal!"
@@Pcm979 Diablo II has shown the sheer power of angry cows. One should plan for that possible bovine terror.
If killing horses were the prime target, they could have stopped in 1847 with the Colt Walker!
When your adversary is charging at you on a horse, shooting the beast out from under him is an important consideration.
"Longer, thicker, straighter, all the way to the end"
-The Gospel of Richard 6:9
Loving these episodes.
Fantastic video.
I love this series
I bet that the grip safety will be epic! Can’t wait!
6 hours until I have to go to work, and 4 in the morning, we'll seems like the perfect time for this video
Ha ha the Cownter is great. Love the dry humor.
This was awesome, keep up the good work😊
Thank you
Great stuff guys
The 1905 is the perfect General Officer's pistol, made to carry often and shoot seldom.
Too big and heavy for that. The 1903 hammerless is what they actually used.
just when I thought I was getting to bed at a decent time
Awesome Video!
Getting all the historical details in, before the great iconic version...
Don’t worry, we’ll get to the Norwegian 1914 eventually
@@TenaciousTrilobite heh! Well-played!
They said they will do the 1907 beforehand.
Punch-drunk 2am Mae and Othias are best Mae and Othias.
I have one of these 1905's serial number 236. Still in 90-95 % condition with 2 mags. have had it for 10 yrs but have never fired it. Not sure if modern ammo would be ok. Different bluing on trigger and extractor. Beautiful firearm.
Modern ammo is not you need low recoil 45acp.
I use 230gr but a light powder load pushing a velocity of 675
10/10 Maeversation
I just bought one of the cow plushies! I can't wait to own a piece of history.
You have earned your sleep with this one. Fun to watch (to ease up this cruel testing with your props was nicely done), great in detail and I understand now why we go C&Rsenal-style till a particular hand gun. Thank you for the effort.
Testing the 1905 and sticking with this beast of a cartrige, you need as ordanance board and as manufacturer some real determination to make this work. I`m looking forward to get there with you.
By the way, in my personal experience, I didn`t like any .45 ACP in any modern hand gun. It made me flinch, and it took some time to put the next shot on target, and every 9mm with the same weight was much easier to shoot and is always the prefered choice as I`m not willing to pretend I would like to handle that much recoil.
Mae;s face when she fired off that first round. CLASSIC!!
Do we get the exploding bullet trials episode?
Muy bueno tu vídeo saludos desde Argentina
An important stepping stone in the development of the 1911, very cool thanks you guys!
Development of the what now?
Ah yes, the continuing saga of the Colt Automatics development. ^~^ And Mae gets to make the Boom-Stick go Boom... >~< always a treat.
neat item, that recoil looked terrifying, as did the description of the bullet testing.
A dream years in the making!
great video as always sir :) best wishes to you and family
This episode was wonderful the wife and i did this one like movie night when you find that rare good one and have a lot of fun we had fun kudos to the crew and you.
The 1911 episode will be 5 hours long and it will be glorious
Siri Should Change To Hey Mae With That Robot Voice . You Guys Are Great
I’m not sure if y’all talking about how unpleasant it is to shoot makes me want one less, or if it actually makes me want one *more*
51:16 You guys are having way too much fun...
..Thompson pronounced his middle name as 'Tolliver'...I often think of the character in Kipling's short story "The Man Who Would be King", Peachy Taliafero Carnehan (along with his companion, Daniel Dravot)...I wonder if Kipling pronounced his character's name in the same way...
In some alternate universe, there is a US gov’t that still uses .45 but kept chasing the “muh stomping powah” train.
They eventually wound up with the 45 win mag.
Thanks for the link to the cow.
Why did I just buy a floofy cow?
Because the beard man willed it
Stoked
Huh didn’t know the designer of the Thompson SMG had a part in the story of the model 1911. Pog
Almost spit my coffee at the piñata
5:31 The Fat Controller was very Cross! "You are far to weak for the job at hand .38 Colt!" He said.
thanks for the vid
I really like your fluffy piggy cow !
Hmm, y'all might want to get your hands on a LugerMan .45 ACP repro... Maybe a special comparing the big 3 from the trials... Just a thought!
The visual aids we had in this one were hilarious
All that and a salmiakki reference? Sign me up!
These early Colts are my favorites; the steep, near-vertical grip angle is much better for my hand than the 1911's, or really 99% of pistols period. Something like a 1905 with forward slide serrations, stub hammer, standard mag release and a manual safety like the 1911's would be the absolute perfect auto pistol for me -- if such a thing existed. As it is, the 1905/stub hammer seems as good as it gets (besides being more comfortable, the grip angle seems to make the biggest impact on my shooting, and accuracy is always the key factor). I'd CCW it instead of my 1911, but just don't like the lack of manual safety in a carry gun. Yes half-cock is a thing, but it's slow, awkward, and really not actually that safe to use.
I like a vertical grip on my AR too.
Great topic and video. Stopping power the 9.2 podbyrin is the most powerful cartridge in the world.
A fictional gun? A Hollywood Eagle? Whatever.