I agree that Shabani shows great restraint when Kyomasa continues to “poke the bear.” Shabani is a great Silverback to his family, but HE is the leader. I have loved Kyomasa ever since Annie was born, and AI rejected her. Every day, it was Shabani and Kyomasa who came to visit with Annie to get to know her. Poor Annie, she just wants everyone to get along. ❤
Sad to see this happening with Kiyomasa. The physical and mental health of the troop is directly affected by its social dynamics. Remember how thin and stressed Annie became the last time there was a falling out between Kiyomasa and Shabani? And I am also quite concerned about Nene’s health.
Shabani is incredibly patient and gentle even when he’s attacking. Nene is always doing too much, she protects her son all the time and yet he always harasses her.
Like mother like son. Nene never respects Shabani as silver back. Toto was born in the wild as well but she is a very beautiful, gentle and kind gorilla. No word to describe how bad nene is.
Kyomassa é muito abusado, só provoca o pai por causa da Nenê que é superprotetora e a AI que quase sempre toma atitudes erradas nesses momentos, Nenê protege Kyomassa que acasalou com ela é as irmãs, Kyomassa está provocando e testando a paciência do lindo Shabani a muito tempo.
Kiyo is turning into a young silver back and feeling his wild oats, ( experimenting with his dominance and silverbackness). I think he went over the line with Shabani and now Kiyo is having to deal with it. Shabani is king and letting him know it.
I hope the vetrenarians treat his injury. I'm sure the keepers know what happened in the basement. We must remember that this is good practice for Kyio, when he has his own family. The way Shabanis patience is, shows him the same and how to treat his family.😊
@@gregsutton2400 yes my friend...hiding for now. But when he has his own home, he will see that he has no challenger. Also, if he goes to a bachelor group, he knows what to expect when a disagreement arises. Its practice. Not to nessessary mate. Although, he may try if he us there to long. P.s.- I don't believe that a son nessessary wants to fight a kind father. There is play practice.
@@ТАТАЮГ-з8ь Hi, my friend. I am sorry I can not read your language. I am ignorant to another language, but I have great respect for someone who does know, more than one.🙂
Shabani did nothing wrong, he needs to put Kiyo and Nene in their place. They don’t respect him as the leader, he is very patient and loving which seems to be taken advantage of.
I hate seeing when they have problems. 😔 I feel for Annie the most. Such a sweetheart who is worried about her dad. And I'm sure she's worried about Kiyo but she seems more focused on Shabani. Sweet girl.❤ (You can see more of Annie's concern for Shabani in a seperate video that just came out displaying this same day.) (4:57 Nene's faces kill me everytime 😂)
Yes, I saw that video and thought the same thing, she knows just how much Shabani has protected her over the years, and how much he loves her. You're so right, she's such a sweetheart and loves her dad and family so much that when this type of drama happens it truly affects her health...
I worry about her reaction when she must leave her father. This is one reason why I believe Gentaro would be perfect for her. He's gentle like Shabani. Even more, like D'jeeco. Its to bad Riki is her relative. He's a good choice for a great Silverback.
@@angeresists5493 I agree wholeheartedly. 😔 I'm worried she's going to get really skinny again like earlier this year when Shabani and Kiyo had that fight.
@@jor6426 Aw, yes! I would love to see her and Gentaro together the most. Is D'Jeeco in her bloodline? I could see her with him as well. (I would just worry to death for her around Iriki and Tayari.) And omg, Riki would be perfect. I love how he is with Sumomo and his mother. I'm also worried about when she has to leave, too. I think Shabani is going to take it extremely hard, even when Kiyo leaves. Regardless of their fights, Shabani adores Kiyo. (Still grooms him!) Thats why I really want him to have another baby as a distraction. This whole thing is heartbreaking!
You did a excellent job explaining the situation. I hope Kiyo’s hand don’t become infected. Poor Annie, she is so torn between her dad and Kiyo. This makes me sad. They really need to get Kiyo out of there.
Dad is Dad and no child can decide to rule the household except Dad! Shabani is doing what he has to do no matter how painful it is . I love watching the females intervene to calm Shabani down. They are truly special ladies. ❤
Kiyomasa is a chicken! Hides behind his mom and Ai. He needs to be moved ASAP! This situation between Shabani and Kiyomasa is escalating and someone’s going to get hurt or killed.
I hate seeing this happen to my fav gorilla troop, but that's all a part of gorilla life. Let's hope all settles down like before and harmony sets in. Yes, Nene concerns me as well. God bless her.
Ai and Nene are fierce defenders of Kiyomasa . Sweet Annie is concerned for everyone . The keepers did a great job of monitoring the situation . In a few clips you can see them watching and then they made sure to put food on the gates to entice the troop to eat. It is just my opinion. But thank you @JapaneseZoo for doing such a great job with these videos and presenting them without taking sides and always sticking to the facts ❤
He is young a male and yes it is his Dad and leader. I'm asking to plz keep us aware of his health and especially QUEEN NENE I call her this my heart breaks at time for this strong lady she may be a grouchy any time she wishes she is elderly and I love the lady. Does she need anything special to sleep on at night or she is feeling bad??? Thank you for allowing us to see their life you are kind to do so. Love to this beautiful troop....❤❤❤❤
Kyo should be living in his own family, not with his parents and sisters. In captivity, males must be weaned at the age of 8-9. Gentaro is 11 years old in the Kyoto Zoo, and there are already regular problems between him and the silverback father (Momotaro), which is natural behaviour (as between Kyo and Shabani). This is the responsibility of the (gorilla) species coordinator... Sad...
There is no family for Kyo to go to He would have to be with an all male group since there are no females available that are not related to him. Such a sad situation
Yes, here in England a 10 year old Lope has recently been separated from his family at Twycross Zoo in order to avoid this situation. He is currently living alone in his "bachelor pad", and there are plans to move him to a bachelor group in Europe soon. He will eventually have his own troop. Shabani wasn't much older than this when he was sent from Australia to Japan.
@@brownrabbit61So pleased to hear Lope will get a future family. His younger brother will live his long years never experiencing this which is incredibly sad😢
Thank you for posting them. I live in the USA and I love watching the gorilla family. I couldn’t get to do that if it weren’t for your kindness. Again thank you
I do love this family as well as everyone else. Shabani is a wonderful father and silverback. This is life lessons for Kiyo. Shabani could really hurt him and other members of the troop if he really wanted to. He is showing alot of restraint knowing himself that this is Kiyo reaching adulthood and the lessons that come with it. Shabani is the leader and he has to show the troop from time to time who he is and where he stands. None of us really know or understand the true dynamics within a gorilla troop. We all have our opinions of how we feel about this situation and we can agree and disagree with each other. We all know that it is time for Kiyo to leave the family which will be a sad day but life has to go on for the next generation. Hopefully things will settle back down soon and we can enjoy watching what time we have left with them all together
I agree 💯 with what you said! This is all life lessons for Kiyo. He has to learn the hierarchy of the troop and how important it is! Shabani is the only one who can teach him that! Kiyo has to learn. As you said, Shabani could do serious damage to all of them if he really wanted to! He is showing a lot of restraint here, but he will only take so much. Some people don't understand that these are natural behaviours for Gorillas. I think some people forget they're Gorillas and not humans lol! I saw that Shabani has a sore hand aswell. Obviously, we don't know what happened in the basement, but I'm thinking Kiyo has overstepped and hurt Shabani's hand, and then he retaliated. Gorillas aren't aggressive primates unless they feel threatened or are attacked. So I don't think he would have bitten Kiyo like that for nothing.
It's facinating how much communication is going on without a spoken word. Every movement, gesture, look no matter how subtle carries great meaning. These creatures are so in tune with one another that it's if they just instinctively know what each other are thinking.
I think she there is so much tension and stress they need to get the people out. With Kiyo's hand wound there must have been a fight early morning in the basement. I like Annie she joins in the fight but doesn't lol
Thank you so much for the running discourse that helped explain the situation. It is quite amazing to see the hierarchy even in the troop of gorillas. Once again, thank you very much it’s very enjoyable.
Nene is old, even for gorilla in captivity. I'm surmise the recent tensions in the gorilla house have her stressed. I'm sure her keepers are monitoring her health.
0:21 I have enjoyed watching this chanel for a few months now and have fallen in love with all the troup, each so individual and their so absolutely human likeness, every post is amazing. Watching the last few days unfold is so heartbreaking. To see Shabani and family like this, as much as Kiyomasa's defiance is about him growing up and probably normal behaviour for a male gorilla it still saddens me to see the troupes reactions. Shabani showing so much restraint towards Kiyomasa, poor Nene copping the brunt and Kiyomasa himself with his wound is more than sad, it really grabs at the heart. Hoping everything returns to normal for these beautiful creatures and the staff who look after them, as well the very special person who films and posts these clips for the world to see, you are an amazing person and conveyed what happened perfectly, thank you. Love to all, especially the most handsome Gorilla - Shabani xx
@@staypeace5955 if they are on birth control, it doesn't matter-but the silverback is in charge, so he should discourage it. it's rare that wild gorillas mate with their siblings...but these are captive. Urges are there-best to get Kiyomasa out.
My heart goes out to all these silverbacks in Japan!!! Having to put up with their eldest son disrupting the troop , it's just not fair. They are stuck in the situation because of humans. We have not done enough to help these animals, that we keep in captivty! They should all feel safe on a daily basis! Situations like this with Shabani and Momotaro should not be taking place! Something has to be done with these zoos!
I love the Shabani gorilla family troop❤❤❤,,, Annie was staying behind the other ladies to show her Dad that he is number 1 to her, (I love the love Annie has for her Daddy) I know that Nene will protect Kiyomasa as long as he’s in the troop that’s a Mother’s love for her child. But still trying to figure out why Ai is protecting Kiyomasa too,, is it really because of Nene being so dominant over Ai,, And Ai always wanting to please Nene all time. Shabani is the best silverback I love that great big handsome guy ❤❤❤
It’s really unfortunate the Netherland agreed to send Shabani & Haoko to Japan. The zookeepers do a fabulous job but management sucks!!!!These beautiful families deserve better than Japan zoo!!!!
Just a little history: In 1996, Kibabu and his troop transferred from the Netherlands to the Taronga Zoo in Australia. In 2007, Haoko and Shabani were transferred from Taronga Zoo to Japan.
@@stevemorris6790 obviously they didn't know or they wouldn't have sent them. Both Apenheul & Taronga have a great reputation for breeding. Apenheul owns them.🤔
In the wild blackback male gorillas usually leave the group they were born in when they're around 8 years old or so. But I've seen videos out here of gorilla groups in the wild having multiple silverbacks, so I don't know. However, here it looks like it might be time for Kiyomasa to go. Either to be placed by himself somewhere or to be given a group of his own somewhere. Because it's obvious that the stress is taking it's toll on the entire group. I suppose he could stop challenging Shabani someday. But he could also continue to challenge Shabani until something REALLY bad happens. In my opinion though, the longer Kiyomasa stays with the group, the worse it's going to be when he eventually IS separated from the group.
They need to separate them before they seriously hurt each other and Kiyomasa needs a doctor not a vet to repair his hand. His hand is pretty bad.. Im watching this on a 50 inch tv screen and those are deep wounds. 🤬 Shame on this zoo.
This zoo needs to provide a softer surface for the gorillas to rest on instead of concrete. As they age, they will develop joint problems from the cold hard floor that they rest on. This is not a very expensive fix. Hopefully someone at the zoo monitors these comments and can speak English.
We will have to get used to seeing these situations more often, because it seems that the zoo does not think about making decisions about it. I'm worried about Annie, she seems to lose weight every time something happens conflict. Nené abuses Shabani's patience, with her fragility, he could blow a little and she would fall unconscious.
I agree with you- but it translated incorrectly. I know you probably said Nene disrespects Shabani. She is very problematic with her over protecting Kiyomasa and hurting Annie, and never showing Shabani respect. Nene is a mess!
It might be about time for Kyomasa to find his own family. This happened with another young black back Lope. His father started to push him out and they had to separate him. They are planning a new family group for him. Just love this family.
😮 grand compétitions entre le père et fils kiyomasa 😮 merci pour vos vidéos c'est triste de les voire comme ça j'espère que tout reviendra à la normale
From what I learnt about the last fight where Ai was hurt, gorillas have a natural antiseptic in their saliva. Licking the wound helps. Don't quote me on that, it's something that was said. True or not.🤔
The visitors, noise all the time and that filty ,dirty, gross enclosure is no wonder they stressed and fighting! If you going to keep them there create a pleaant environment for them! Ridiculous
Everyone is entitled to opinions right ❤! My opinion is Japan needs a bachelor group asap. Gentaro and Kiyo are doing what is expected and Momo and Shabani are doing what they should be doing. We all love them and want the best for them correct? I don’t understand the hate towards a animal that is doing natural things in a zoo. Not in the wild where they can move around freely. Without Nene there would be no Ai or Kiyo. Without Shabani there would be no Annie. ❤❤❤
I think Kiyomasa might need stitches in his finger. That wound looked really deep. Kiyo needs to stop pushing his father. He ought to know that if Shabani wanted he could really hurt him. I wonder if there had been a fight in their sleeping quarters. Does anyone know what the sleeping arrangements are for the troop? If you could let me know I’d be so glad.
Not again,bad news , just found out Matadi died from the Netherlands, he was so young and a gentle father. First it was young Bauwi ( Shebani and Hoako's brother) and now this, breaks my heart💔
@@sandraphillips1718that's not motherly love. She raised up kiyo to oppose Shabani and turn Ai against Shabani too. If you want to see real mom gorilla loves, just watch Haoko troops or Djco.
Spero che finisca presto, fa male vedere Shabani e la sua famiglia litigare, Nene che difende suo figlio nonostante i suoi anni, Annie che ama sia Kiyomasa che suo padre,Ai anche lei li ama. Mi dispiace davvero tanto per Shabani e Kiyomasa, insomma hanno le loro dinamiche ma è Shabani il capo truppa e se Kiyomasa lo provoca fa bene a reagire, amori belli speriamo bene. Video pieno di emozioni, grazie!❤️🍀❤️
So here is another Gentaro situation. Getting to the age challenging the alpha. Only difference….Mama Genki stays out of it..Nene will not. This is all wrong. This straps Shabani 😢 Poor Shab’s ❤ Edit; Shab’s also walking on one of his wrists. Possible injury. 💔
The zookeepers & this troop seems more concerned about Kiyomasa's injury. Nobody is concerned about Shabani's possible injury or the ongoing stress he is experiencing.
I HAVE SAID IT BEFORE THAT SHABANI IS NO GOOD FOR THIS GROUP BUT THE RESPONSIBLE ON THE ZOO PARK DONT LISTEN! WHATS WRONG WITH YOU AT THE ZOO ???????? WHERE IS THE ESPONSIBLE VETERINARY ??? KIYOMASA NEEDS HELP NOW WITH HIS HAND !!!!!!!! IF THE ZOO AND THE CEO CANT HELP THE GORILLA FAMILY YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE A GORILLA GROUP IN YOUR ZOO. SHAME ON YOU AND I FEEL SORRY FOR THE GORILLA FAMILY.
Shabani se pasa de bueno...💞💞💞 Creo que Kishomasa se aísla para provocarlo, parece que buscara conseguir el liderazgo. Kiyomasa se me mete con Shabani y despues corre a protegerse con las Gorilas... Así cualquiera
I wonder if Shabani had Kiyomasas hand in his mouth, doing that playing submission game? But sometimes I've seen it go to far,like the beast within kicks in. I hope Shabani restores order as it's weird how they all followed Kiyomasa around in a constant dodge Shabani game.🦍🦍
Shabani also walks on his right wrist, due to the abundant fur at times it cannot be seen, and Annie looks insistently at the right side of his back. Sabani shows no signs of being hurt but that doesn't mean he hasn't been bitten. Although they have explained to us many times that it is a natural process, it is still sad. Greetings to all.
Sabanis quiere mostrar su liderazgo pq lo está perdiendo pero es increíble como se defienden esas hembras amo a Nene con 51 anos que bienestar Sabanis le tiene miedo es una fiera defendiendo su hijo tan bella la amo
I think that all of us lovers of these gorillas know this.. the main thing, I think is that everyone here knew what was meant.. understanding trumps correct terminology and is really what matters most.. I misspeak sometimes, I think that we all do. But, we understood what was being said, that’s the important thing.
@@conniemorgan8402 somebody new to the gorilla world would not know the correct terminology and would go around calling them a herd when in actuality, their a troop correct terminology is important.
I agree that Shabani shows great restraint when Kyomasa continues to “poke the bear.” Shabani is a great Silverback to his family, but HE is the leader. I have loved Kyomasa ever since Annie was born, and AI rejected her. Every day, it was Shabani and Kyomasa who came to visit with Annie to get to know her. Poor Annie, she just wants everyone to get along. ❤
Sad to see this happening with Kiyomasa. The physical and mental health of the troop is directly affected by its social dynamics. Remember how thin and stressed Annie became the last time there was a falling out between Kiyomasa and Shabani? And I am also quite concerned about Nene’s health.
Thank you 👍🏻
I agree about her health
Shabani is incredibly patient and gentle even when he’s attacking. Nene is always doing too much, she protects her son all the time and yet he always harasses her.
Like mother like son. Nene never respects Shabani as silver back. Toto was born in the wild as well but she is a very beautiful, gentle and kind gorilla. No word to describe how bad nene is.
@@staypeace5955 Maybe....?......Nene feels she can depend more on Kiyo because of her poor vision...?
Kyomassa é muito abusado, só provoca o pai por causa da Nenê que é superprotetora e a AI que quase sempre toma atitudes erradas nesses momentos, Nenê protege Kyomassa que acasalou com ela é as irmãs, Kyomassa está provocando e testando a paciência do lindo Shabani a muito tempo.
I would be protecting my son too if his much bigger father was going after him. Nene will always protect her kids.
@@beth1627 i agree.
Japan zoo need to make from bachelor group right away or these gorillas will not survive the stress
Kiyo is turning into a young silver back and feeling his wild oats, ( experimenting with his dominance and silverbackness). I think he went over the line with Shabani and now Kiyo is having to deal with it. Shabani is king and letting him know it.
Thank you for your time and effort putting this together for us
I hope the vetrenarians treat his injury. I'm sure the keepers know what happened in the basement.
We must remember that this is good practice for Kyio, when he has his own family. The way Shabanis patience is, shows him the same and how to treat his family.😊
What he is actually learning is to hide behind his mother and sister and mate both of them.
@@gregsutton2400 yes my friend...hiding for now. But when he has his own home, he will see that he has no challenger. Also, if he goes to a bachelor group, he knows what to expect when a disagreement arises. Its practice. Not to nessessary mate. Although, he may try if he us there to long.
P.s.- I don't believe that a son nessessary wants to fight a kind father. There is play practice.
@@ТАТАЮГ-з8ь Hi, my friend. I am sorry I can not read your language. I am ignorant to another language, but I have great respect for someone who does know, more than one.🙂
Annie's a sweetheart. Always worried when one is hurt or sad ❤
Annie and Shabani are the best examples of female and male gorilla behaviors.
Thank you for these great vids. Your friend from indiana USA
Shabani did nothing wrong, he needs to put Kiyo and Nene in their place. They don’t respect him as the leader, he is very patient and loving which seems to be taken advantage of.
Looks like he did put Kiyomasa in his place.
He especially needs to put nene in her place.
@@bigboytoyz541yes. She is the first problem in the group. And then his spoiled brat son.
@@staypeace5955 👍👍
Shabani is on edge and it's not good for the troop. They are fearful when he's like this.
my love for this troop grow’s stronger everyday
I hate seeing when they have problems. 😔 I feel for Annie the most. Such a sweetheart who is worried about her dad. And I'm sure she's worried about Kiyo but she seems more focused on Shabani. Sweet girl.❤ (You can see more of Annie's concern for Shabani in a seperate video that just came out displaying this same day.)
(4:57 Nene's faces kill me everytime 😂)
Yes, I saw that video and thought the same thing, she knows just how much Shabani has protected her over the years, and how much he loves her. You're so right, she's such a sweetheart and loves her dad and family so much that when this type of drama happens it truly affects her health...
I worry about her reaction when she must leave her father. This is one reason why I believe Gentaro would be perfect for her. He's gentle like Shabani. Even more, like D'jeeco. Its to bad Riki is her relative. He's a good choice for a great Silverback.
@@angeresists5493 I agree wholeheartedly. 😔 I'm worried she's going to get really skinny again like earlier this year when Shabani and Kiyo had that fight.
@@jor6426 Aw, yes! I would love to see her and Gentaro together the most. Is D'Jeeco in her bloodline? I could see her with him as well. (I would just worry to death for her around Iriki and Tayari.) And omg, Riki would be perfect. I love how he is with Sumomo and his mother. I'm also worried about when she has to leave, too. I think Shabani is going to take it extremely hard, even when Kiyo leaves. Regardless of their fights, Shabani adores Kiyo. (Still grooms him!) Thats why I really want him to have another baby as a distraction. This whole thing is heartbreaking!
@@jor6426I’ve heard rumors they may put Gentaro with one of Djeecos wives…
10:11 She is old, but very brave. She has the spirit of the samurai.
Nene is fierce!
She is a pain in the neck, even do wrong for her son when he have to battle against other gorillas and mom wouldn’t be there!
Nene would protect Kiyo to the death
She’s a gorilla and needs to respect the Silverback of the group.
@@stevemorris6790I agree!
You did a excellent job explaining the situation. I hope Kiyo’s hand don’t become infected. Poor Annie, she is so torn between her dad and Kiyo. This makes me sad. They really need to get Kiyo out of there.
yes, he needs to go to a bachelor group and then someday have his own troop. These 2 males are still together in 2024 and still issues.
Dad is Dad and no child can decide to rule the household except Dad! Shabani is doing what he has to do no matter how painful it is . I love watching the females intervene to calm Shabani down. They are truly special ladies. ❤
Kiyomasa is a chicken! Hides behind his mom and Ai. He needs to be moved ASAP! This situation between Shabani and Kiyomasa is escalating and someone’s going to get hurt or killed.
I hate seeing this happen to my fav gorilla troop, but that's all a part of gorilla life. Let's hope all settles down like before and harmony sets in. Yes, Nene concerns me as well. God bless her.
Ai and Nene are fierce defenders of Kiyomasa . Sweet Annie is concerned for everyone . The keepers did a great job of monitoring the situation . In a few clips you can see them watching and then they made sure to put food on the gates to entice the troop to eat. It is just my opinion. But thank you @JapaneseZoo for doing such a great job with these videos and presenting them without taking sides and always sticking to the facts ❤
Pray 😅he heals up. Any possibility. Of fx?? He is y
He is young a male and yes it is his Dad and leader. I'm asking to plz keep us aware of his health and especially QUEEN NENE I call her this my heart breaks at time for this strong lady she may be a grouchy any time she wishes she is elderly and I love the lady. Does she need anything special to sleep on at night or she is feeling bad??? Thank you for allowing us to see their life you are kind to do so. Love to this beautiful troop....❤❤❤❤
Kyo should be living in his own family, not with his parents and sisters. In captivity, males must be weaned at the age of 8-9. Gentaro is 11 years old in the Kyoto Zoo, and there are already regular problems between him and the silverback father (Momotaro), which is natural behaviour (as between Kyo and Shabani). This is the responsibility of the (gorilla) species coordinator... Sad...
He would be venturing out on his own now due to obvious problems happening now. It would be time to started distancing himself from the troop.
There is no family for Kyo to go to
He would have to be with an all male group since there are no females available that are not related to him. Such a sad situation
Os Zoológicos do Japão não tem um planejamento para troca ou intercâmbio de animais com outros zoológicos do mundo?
Vão esperar o que??
Yes, here in England a 10 year old Lope has recently been separated from his family at Twycross Zoo in order to avoid this situation. He is currently living alone in his "bachelor pad", and there are plans to move him to a bachelor group in Europe soon. He will eventually have his own troop.
Shabani wasn't much older than this when he was sent from Australia to Japan.
@@brownrabbit61So pleased to hear Lope will get a future family. His younger brother will live his long years never experiencing this which is incredibly sad😢
Thank you for posting them. I live in the USA and I love watching the gorilla family. I couldn’t get to do that if it weren’t for your kindness. Again thank you
It is so amazing to me how calculating gorillas can be. They usually don't just react without putting some thought behind it.
I do love this family as well as everyone else. Shabani is a wonderful father and silverback. This is life lessons for Kiyo. Shabani could really hurt him and other members of the troop if he really wanted to. He is showing alot of restraint knowing himself that this is Kiyo reaching adulthood and the lessons that come with it. Shabani is the leader and he has to show the troop from time to time who he is and where he stands. None of us really know or understand the true dynamics within a gorilla troop. We all have our opinions of how we feel about this situation and we can agree and disagree with each other. We all know that it is time for Kiyo to leave the family which will be a sad day but life has to go on for the next generation. Hopefully things will settle back down soon and we can enjoy watching what time we have left with them all together
I agree 💯 with what you said! This is all life lessons for Kiyo. He has to learn the hierarchy of the troop and how important it is! Shabani is the only one who can teach him that! Kiyo has to learn. As you said, Shabani could do serious damage to all of them if he really wanted to! He is showing a lot of restraint here, but he will only take so much. Some people don't understand that these are natural behaviours for Gorillas. I think some people forget they're Gorillas and not humans lol! I saw that Shabani has a sore hand aswell. Obviously, we don't know what happened in the basement, but I'm thinking Kiyo has overstepped and hurt Shabani's hand, and then he retaliated. Gorillas aren't aggressive primates unless they feel threatened or are attacked. So I don't think he would have bitten Kiyo like that for nothing.
THANK YOU!
@@kells1784yes, I’m on the same page as you with all of this!
It's facinating how much communication is going on without a spoken word. Every movement, gesture, look no matter how subtle carries great meaning. These creatures are so in tune with one another that it's if they just instinctively know what each other are thinking.
I think she there is so much tension and stress they need to get the people out. With Kiyo's hand wound there must have been a fight early morning in the basement. I like Annie she joins in the fight but doesn't lol
Thank you so much for the running discourse that helped explain the situation. It is quite amazing to see the hierarchy even in the troop of gorillas. Once again, thank you very much it’s very enjoyable.
Nene is old, even for gorilla in captivity. I'm surmise the recent tensions in the gorilla house have her stressed. I'm sure her keepers are monitoring her health.
Is Shanbani’s hand also injured?
God bless these gorillas and Japanese Zoo.
No wonder they go nuts, kids screaming all day, no peace at all.. This will end as we all suspect.. Great job Zoo.
ネネさんもアイちゃん、キヨマサくんの事で眠れてなさそうだな。
ネネさんの年齢考えるとキヨマサくんを大切にしてるから、本当に心配。
アニーちゃんもお腹ぺったんこになってきてるし、誰かお腹壊してる💩が落ちてる。
動物園側で、ゴリラ舎を半分にするとか、何らかの対策が必要だよね。
SUCH A DEPRESSING ENCLOSURE.
0:21 I have enjoyed watching this chanel for a few months now and have fallen in love with all the troup, each so individual and their so absolutely human likeness, every post is amazing. Watching the last few days unfold is so heartbreaking. To see Shabani and family like this, as much as Kiyomasa's defiance is about him growing up and probably normal behaviour for a male gorilla it still saddens me to see the troupes reactions.
Shabani showing so much restraint towards Kiyomasa, poor Nene copping the brunt and Kiyomasa himself with his wound is more than sad, it really grabs at the heart.
Hoping everything returns to normal for these beautiful creatures and the staff who look after them, as well the very special person who films and posts these clips for the world to see, you are an amazing person and conveyed what happened perfectly, thank you.
Love to all, especially the most handsome Gorilla - Shabani xx
Все будет хорошо, скоро все успокоятся и будет мир и покой. Такое иногда случается❤❤❤😊
Maybe not. If Kiyomasa continues to mate with all the females in the groups.
@@staypeace5955 if they are on birth control, it doesn't matter-but the silverback is in charge, so he should discourage it. it's rare that wild gorillas mate with their siblings...but these are captive. Urges are there-best to get Kiyomasa out.
Regardless of what's happening rt now, I can't help but think how beautiful they all are.
That was really sad,, when kiyo went to show the zookeeper his hand, he was actually watching his back .. please dont fight guys, be good to eachother
HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY SHABANI 🦍🥳🎊🎉🥰💝🎁🎂
My heart goes out to all these silverbacks in Japan!!! Having to put up with their eldest son disrupting the troop , it's just not fair. They are stuck in the situation because of humans. We have not done enough to help these animals, that we keep in captivty! They should all feel safe on a daily basis! Situations like this with Shabani and Momotaro should not be taking place! Something has to be done with these zoos!
100% correct!!
E o coitado do Shabani tem que suportar a velha nene que sempre fica arrumando problemas!!
I love the Shabani gorilla family troop❤❤❤,,, Annie was staying behind the other ladies to show her Dad that he is number 1 to her, (I love the love Annie has for her Daddy) I know that Nene will protect Kiyomasa as long as he’s in the troop that’s a Mother’s love for her child. But still trying to figure out why Ai is protecting Kiyomasa too,, is it really because of Nene being so dominant over Ai,, And Ai always wanting to please Nene all time. Shabani is the best silverback I love that great big handsome guy ❤❤❤
Nene needs to go to DJeeco troop so DJ will put her in place. Tayari can come to Shabani. Bet she's gonna be happier here than where she's at now.
Absolutely, I think Ai & Tay would get along quite well.
What happens to Tabali? Does he stay with his father DJ? Is that better or worse than going with Tayari?
@@noragriffin6432 It's just wishful thinking, they would never send any gorillas to Japan.
It’s really unfortunate the Netherland agreed to send Shabani & Haoko to Japan. The zookeepers do a fabulous job but management sucks!!!!These beautiful families deserve better than Japan zoo!!!!
Just a little history: In 1996, Kibabu and his troop transferred from the Netherlands to the Taronga Zoo in Australia. In 2007, Haoko and Shabani were transferred from Taronga Zoo to Japan.
If only Taronga park knew it was a mistake, but really putting 2 brothers in the same continent was pretty dumb..
@@sonjavandam1306, why Taronga zoo agreed to sent the 2 brothers to Japan? Didn’t they know about japan and the poor management of the animals?
@@stevemorris6790 obviously they didn't know or they wouldn't have sent them. Both Apenheul & Taronga have a great reputation for breeding.
Apenheul owns them.🤔
@sonjavandam1306 I wish they would send Kyo to one of those zoos. He would have no relatives there, and possibly be able to have his own family
Shabani should put Nene and Ai in their place as they are doing no favor to the troop. Do like D’jecco does in order to bring harmony to the troop!
He lets Nene get away with murder because he’s too gentle and passive! Of course we love his gentle nature but Nene needs a slap down or 10.
In the wild blackback male gorillas usually leave the group they were born in when they're around 8 years old or so. But I've seen videos out here of gorilla groups in the wild having multiple silverbacks, so I don't know. However, here it looks like it might be time for Kiyomasa to go. Either to be placed by himself somewhere or to be given a group of his own somewhere. Because it's obvious that the stress is taking it's toll on the entire group. I suppose he could stop challenging Shabani someday. But he could also continue to challenge Shabani until something REALLY bad happens. In my opinion though, the longer Kiyomasa stays with the group, the worse it's going to be when he eventually IS separated from the group.
This situation is beyond sad, I feel like I'm wasting my energy trying to find the reason they are dragging their feet.$$$ 🤔
Too much background noise...😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢...the visitors screaming and banging on the glass should be prohibited 🚫.. 🚫..😢😢😢
Shabani is so stressed.😔😔☹️
They need to separate them before they seriously hurt each other and Kiyomasa needs a doctor not a vet to repair his hand. His hand is pretty bad.. Im watching this on a 50 inch tv screen and those are deep wounds. 🤬 Shame on this zoo.
This zoo needs to provide a softer surface for the gorillas to rest on instead of concrete. As they age, they will develop joint problems from the cold hard floor that they rest on. This is not a very expensive fix. Hopefully someone at the zoo monitors these comments and can speak English.
Yes I agree!!!
Very hard surfaces for them to live on, must be so uncomfortable. No wonder they injure themselves. 😢 They seem a lovely family ❤
Kiyo needs his own troop.
そろそろ自ら群れを離れるお年頃なのに動物園だと自分の居場所さえ無いのが難点だわ～
園が良い計画を進めていると信じたいわ～
Troop, not herd
@@sct3339translation issues.. puppy, herd, etc..
@@sct3339🙄
👍🏽 this was very well put together and documented. Well done ❤
We will have to get used to seeing these situations more often, because it seems that the zoo does not think about making decisions about it. I'm worried about Annie, she seems to lose weight every time something happens conflict. Nené abuses Shabani's patience, with her fragility, he could blow a little and she would fall unconscious.
True!
Great narration!
個人的な意見になるけど、シャバーニは寛大すぎますね。
🇺🇸にいるときもゴリラの群れのファミリーを観てきましたがネネほどシルバーバックのリーダーを尊敬しないメスゴリラを他には見たことありません。
最初、この東山の群れを見たときから、この群れの問題はネネの存在もあるかもしれないと言う気がしていました。
今回はアイまで間違った行動をしている場面があったように見えた。
キヨマサはもう別にしたほうがいい。
若い独身のオスゴリラのグループを日本の動物園で協力し合って受け入れる施設が必要だと考える。
金銭的な問題はおいといて。
それか、ネネとキヨの親子を離すか…
日本の動物園は東山がそうなのかわからないが、見守ろう的か？放置していれば、シャバーニが可哀想すぎます。
優しすぎるのは、時には弱くもなる。シャバーニの穏やかさが。
I agree with you- but it translated incorrectly. I know you probably said Nene disrespects Shabani. She is very problematic with her over protecting Kiyomasa and hurting Annie, and never showing Shabani respect. Nene is a mess!
Has anyone noticed that at 5:37 Shabani also is walking on his right wrist like his son is now?
Yes, hope he is OK, cannot imagine the stress he is going through with not wanting to hurt his son but having to show dominance.
8:33 Shabani mirrors Kiyomasa injured walk!
It might be about time for Kyomasa to find his own family. This happened with another young black back Lope. His father started to push him out and they had to separate him. They are planning a new family group for him. Just love this family.
😮 grand compétitions entre le père et fils kiyomasa 😮 merci pour vos vidéos c'est triste de les voire comme ça j'espère que tout reviendra à la normale
Looks like someone got a little attitude adjustment downstairs. Oh well, that il' happen. Sometimes Daddy needs to show who's Boss
Pls keep refreshing us about how each one is related to the other...that wd make the watch more interesting and meaningful
So when they have injuries like this, do you treat the injury or let nature take its course and if you do treat it, how do you treat the injury?
From what I learnt about the last fight where Ai was hurt, gorillas have a natural antiseptic in their saliva. Licking the wound helps.
Don't quote me on that, it's something that was said. True or not.🤔
They have vets.
The visitors, noise all the time and that filty ,dirty, gross enclosure is no wonder they stressed and fighting! If you going to keep them there create a pleaant environment for them! Ridiculous
It's built like that so paying audiences can have good views. There should be much bigger outside grass, trees and climbing areas. 🦍🌳🌿💚
@rainshadowroad For 5 gorillas they need a few anchors. They need to look at other zoos and follow suit cause this isn't it. Pisses alotta people off!
Everyone is entitled to opinions right ❤! My opinion is Japan needs a bachelor group asap. Gentaro and Kiyo are doing what is expected and Momo and Shabani are doing what they should be doing. We all love them and want the best for them correct? I don’t understand the hate towards a animal that is doing natural things in a zoo. Not in the wild where they can move around freely. Without Nene there would be no Ai or Kiyo. Without Shabani there would be no Annie. ❤❤❤
Yes, he needs to be moved to a bachelor pad now.
The only person to blame is the zoo. Your correct about Kiyo & Gentaro doing what black backs do. SAD.😢
Kyoto is building new quarters for Gentaro
Kiyomasa is drama queen and Nene is too spoilt him rotten.
So nice to see them in their natural habitat
I think Kiyomasa might need stitches in his finger. That wound looked really deep. Kiyo needs to stop pushing his father. He ought to know that if Shabani wanted he could really hurt him. I wonder if there had been a fight in their sleeping quarters. Does anyone know what the sleeping arrangements are for the troop? If you could let me know I’d be so glad.
i agree, Nene lives this troubles with her son... i hope Nene have some peacefull days really soon.
Actually she is the source of the problems. The troops will have a peaceful life without her.😂😂
@@staypeace5955👍
Shabani is so great! I feel bad for him in ways! I hope eveything gets back to normal!
Not again,bad news , just found out Matadi died from the Netherlands, he was so young and a gentle father. First it was young Bauwi ( Shebani and Hoako's brother) and now this, breaks my heart💔
Very sad news😢
Yes, devastating news.
😢
May be it’s time for Kyo and Gentaro to move into a Bachelor group
It would be nice if food was placed in containers so that it's not just on the floor, it seems they like their food to be clean.
So schöne Tiere gehören in Freiheit und nicht in so einen trostlosen Zoo
Amazing gorillas ❤❤❤
Only concrete in this Zoo.... PORQUE????
Kiyo needs a really good belting from his father
Judging by his hand he just got that
@@alexk9295He should know his limit. Shabani will always be the father and leader.
Nene needs to be put in her place also.
Nene can't help it... she loves Kiyo so much. That's motherly love .❤❤
@@sandraphillips1718that's not motherly love. She raised up kiyo to oppose Shabani and turn Ai against Shabani too. If you want to see real mom gorilla loves, just watch Haoko troops or Djco.
Spero che finisca presto, fa male vedere Shabani e la sua famiglia litigare, Nene che difende suo figlio nonostante i suoi anni, Annie che ama sia Kiyomasa che suo padre,Ai anche lei li ama. Mi dispiace davvero tanto per Shabani e Kiyomasa, insomma hanno le loro dinamiche ma è Shabani il capo truppa e se Kiyomasa lo provoca fa bene a reagire, amori belli speriamo bene. Video pieno di emozioni, grazie!❤️🍀❤️
You can see the stress and tension among the troop. 😢
So here is another Gentaro situation. Getting to the age challenging the alpha. Only difference….Mama Genki stays out of it..Nene will not. This is all wrong. This straps Shabani 😢 Poor Shab’s ❤ Edit; Shab’s also walking on one of his wrists. Possible injury. 💔
The zookeepers & this troop seems more concerned about Kiyomasa's injury. Nobody is concerned about Shabani's possible injury or the ongoing stress he is experiencing.
@@maryharris2629Unless they checked him & we didn’t see. Let’s hope this is the case.
I HAVE SAID IT BEFORE THAT SHABANI IS NO GOOD FOR THIS GROUP BUT THE RESPONSIBLE ON THE ZOO PARK DONT LISTEN! WHATS WRONG WITH YOU AT THE ZOO ???????? WHERE IS THE ESPONSIBLE VETERINARY ??? KIYOMASA NEEDS HELP NOW WITH HIS HAND !!!!!!!! IF THE ZOO AND THE CEO CANT HELP THE GORILLA FAMILY YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE A GORILLA GROUP IN YOUR ZOO. SHAME ON YOU AND I FEEL SORRY FOR THE GORILLA FAMILY.
Kiyo and nene need to go or shabani really will be forced into hurting them badly one day 😢
Shabani se pasa de bueno...💞💞💞 Creo que Kishomasa se aísla para provocarlo, parece que buscara conseguir el liderazgo. Kiyomasa se me mete con Shabani y despues corre a protegerse con las Gorilas... Así cualquiera
Its time for kyo to move out n run his own show n shabani deserves a new wife or 2 or 3 he needs sum good loven🤞
Absolutely.😉
Shabani would LOVE Tayari! 😂
Shabani got 2 raw deals! And he’s the best male!
I watch alot of documentaries of gorillas in the wild and in captivity and here they all seem so skinny ? ? Why is that ? Can anyone let me know ?
Did anyone notice shabani I walking the same way as Kiyo with his wirst 😮
Yes I caught that too, strange.
Yes! I was thinking the same thing! That is very strange
I was thinking Shabani was having sympathetic hand pain. He tries to be a good dad but that Nene. She’s a character. She thinks she’s the boss.
Yes, but not as severely. I'm glad Kyiomasa got a punch in at least
@@vparkerrd96you mean a b****. 😂
I wonder if Shabani had Kiyomasas hand in his mouth, doing that playing submission game? But sometimes I've seen it go to far,like the beast within kicks in. I hope Shabani restores order as it's weird how they all followed Kiyomasa around in a constant dodge Shabani game.🦍🦍
That is this troop’s normal behavior during times of conflict.
It's hard to restore order when granny & her daughter barking & chasing him. Poor Shabani he can't win no matter what.
These gorillas need to be in the wild. Not locked up in that nasty zoo. 😢
Shabani also walks on his right wrist, due to the abundant fur at times it cannot be seen, and Annie looks insistently at the right side of his back. Sabani shows no signs of being hurt but that doesn't mean he hasn't been bitten. Although they have explained to us many times that it is a natural process, it is still sad. Greetings to all.
These poor things they need trees, grass & flowers all the noise constantly being stared and pointed at 😢
What is the relationship between all of them?
If Japan zoo had made preparations this wouldn’t be an issue!!!!
AI is so pretty I love when she does that mouth thing like her mother Nene and she has beautiful fur
Just coming across this page. Did the keepers get to take a look at his injury & possible treat it?
Sabanis quiere mostrar su liderazgo pq lo está perdiendo pero es increíble como se defienden esas hembras amo a Nene con 51 anos que bienestar Sabanis le tiene miedo es una fiera defendiendo su hijo tan bella la amo
Physically he could crush her with his pinky. He is ALLOWING her to get away with that …stuff.
これも致し方無いと思うのです…シルバーバックとブラックバックがいつまでも仲良くしてる…その方が可怪しい気がします。子供たちが順調に成長している証しです❤🎉
Remember, Shabani loves his son Kiyo very much in spite of what's going on between them.
And as a return he bullied him with his old mom.
Kiyomasa needs to take care of his wounds before he ends up getting more! What is happening with them??
The vet looked at his wounds in the video
They can't take the living condition they are in 😢😢😢😢
家族に何かあると、みんな精神的にやられてしまう。
本当に繊細な生き物。
思春期な息子は、人間も動物も対応が大変ですね😞
パパっ子のキヨマサ、早く元気になるといいです。
I think Shabani injured Kyomasa's hand. Accidently or deliberately?
Before fight Kiyomasa should have seen a vet.
This is not a herd of animals. Herds are predominately the " hoofed" animals. Gorilla groups are called " Troops" not herds. SMH you should know this
I think that all of us lovers of these gorillas know this.. the main thing, I think is that everyone here knew what was meant.. understanding trumps correct terminology and is really what matters most.. I misspeak sometimes, I think that we all do. But, we understood what was being said, that’s the important thing.
@@conniemorgan8402translation errors.. they are not perfect... 😊
@@conniemorgan8402 somebody new to the gorilla world would not know the correct terminology and would go around calling them a herd when in actuality, their a troop correct terminology is important.
@@sct3339 Relax, it's translated from Japanese.
Machine translate often has problems with with Japanese.