Excellent you definitely did your homework. I love the fact you didn't dish old time baseball. To many people today think the greatest players in any major sport don't count until 1960s or or later. Many younger people look at me if I talk about anyone before 1990s like who are they.
Best hitting 2nd baseman- Rogers Hornsby Best fielding 2nd baseman- Bill Mazeroski Most Iconic 2nd baseman- Eddie Collins Most Efficient 2nd baseman- Joe Morgan Most Underrated 2nd baseman- Willie Randolph cc
I understand that Jackie Robinson is difficult to include on this type of list because of his versatility playing multiple positions. Same goes for Rod Carew. Jackie’s short career in MLB always seems to get him overlooked on these lists because of the late start, for obvious reasons, that he got. Given his contribution to the game and his great stats over that relatively short career he definitely should be somewhere in the top ten. Carew played almost as much second base as he did first base. His skill set is hard to compare to traditionally power hitting first baseman but if compared to second basemen he is definitely in the top ten.
1- Roger Hornsby 2- Eddie Collins 3- Napoleon Lajoie 4- Joe Morgan 5- Charlie Gehinger 6- Jackie Robinson 7- Roberto Alomar 8- Frankie Frisch 9- Jeff Kent 10- Ryne Sanberg & Robinson Cano
I was surpirised you picked Rogers Hornsby only because he played so long ago but was the St. Louis version of Ty Cobb. Among Cardinals all-time, I rank him only behind Stan Musial, Bob Gibson, and Albert Puhols as I weigh power hitting more along with batting average. but cannot comment on the fielding of Hornsby. You have an interesting list as my own baseball memories start in the 1950s. I also liked your honorable mentions of Red Schoendiienst and Frankie Frisch as they make my all-time Cards team as bench players for the infield.
1. Rogers Hornsby 2. Nap Lajoie 3. Eddie Collins 4. Joe Morgan 5. Charlie Gehringer 6. Jackie Robinson 7. Rod Carew 8. Roberto Alomar 9. Ryne Sandberg 10. Craig Biggio Jose Altuve will make list once his career is over. Jackie Robinson may be the most popular 2nd basemen of all time but not the greatest
I haven't gotten through the whole list but how on earth do you rank Nellie Fox above Ryne Sandberg. Sandberg has a huge edge in HRs, RBIs, SBs. Sandberg beats him in runs, OBP and slugging percentage. Sandberg dominated in a number of these stats despite having about 900 fewer at bats. He also has 9 gold gloves to Fox's 3. I recognize it gets challenging when comparing players from various eras. We almost need two groups of stats. Realistically a player from the early 1900's wouldn't stand a chance in today's modern game. Someone 5-9 and 175lbs (Eddie Collins) would be about the size of a high school player today. If even that big. Honestly, as a hitter, I'd probably take Bryce Harper as a high school senior over most of these guys from the early 1900's. That is how much the game has evolved and people have evolved. Not sure where the cutoff would be between eras, but a lot has changed in 100 years and it is pretty much an apples to oranges comparison anymore. I will say the early 1900's games were probably more relaxing and enjoyable to watch than today's game. Certainly more affordable.
Flash and Rizzuto were the best pair at turning double plays as a percentage of estimated opportunities. And each of them ranks high with other partners
Nellie Fox was a contemporary of Harvey Kuenn and their hitting philosophy was very similar. They both dd not like to strike out, they both liked to get a lot of hits and they both chewed tobacco most, if not their whole, baseball career. Both of them died young too.
I would have put Gehringer higher. Yes, he played in a hitter's era but his runs scored, RBIs, on-base percentage and bating average all were better than any modern second baseman. He was not close to Hornsby offensively but neither was anyone else.
You might want to check what you said here. That Collins was easily the best player of his era, which included Cobb and Ruth, and the best offensive 2nd base, which seems pretty arguable given Hornsby’s record. Any reason Robinson doesn’t even get an honourable mention? I’m curious how anyone can be confident about judging fielding prowess of 100 years + ago. Wikipedia quotes people taking a different angle to you on Lajoie. But interesting post, thanks.
Collins played mostly in the dead ball era. Hornsby played mostly in the live ball era. They are much closer offensively than most think. And of course, Collins had Hornsby beat with the glove and on the bases.
Somehow someway there was this Dodger from Pasadena Named Jack Roosevelt Robinson. He has a short time at 2nd and a short time in the bigs because he started at 28. And he did not have a strong arm. But he dominated the whole effing league for about 5 years. The most exciting player I ever saw and I saw Willie and Mickey a zillion times.
I love this guy’s appreciation of baseball history and I know it’s all a debate. It’s also a different list but Don Mattingly has to be on the 1B list. 9 gold gloves says it all , but 1985 MVP, .300 plus lifetime, 2000 + hits, etc.
Thanks for the kind words. I must say, it was painful to leave Donnie Baseball off this list. Growing up, he was my absolute favorite player, and he is the reason I became a Yankees fan.
My top 20 would look something like this: Collins, Hornsby, Morgan, Lajoie, Gehringer, Robinson, Carew, Frisch, Grich, Gordon, Sandberg, Biggio, Utley, Whitaker, Barnes, Altuve, Evers, Pedroia, Zobrist, Kent… Postseason greatness gave Eddie Collins a very slight edge over Hornsby, and also got Johnny Evers on the list. Hard to know where to put Ross Barnes, who absolutely dominated the 1870s - most lists ignore him, I put him 15th. Cano, having more than one PED suspension, was not even considered. Neither was Alomar, an excellent player but maybe the worst human being ever to play the game.
Joe Morgan was only 5'-8", on the best team in baseball at that time. Two MVP's THE BIG RED MACHINE 1975-76 Tony Perez Joe Morgan Dave Conception Pete Rose Johnny Bench George Foster Cesar Geronimo Ken Griffey Sr.
@@roberthudson1959 but guys like Carew and Pete Rose played almost 20 years and during that long tenure gets moved to another position like 1st base, its not like those 2 guys didn't play a ton of 2nd base both are iconic hitters to think because they split time between both positions eliminates them from any top 10 position list is an injustice
@@thomasespositio3139 Rose played even a lower percentage of his games at second than Carew. In fact, he played more games at each of three other positions than he did at second. While I think the OP's rigid adherence to his selection criteria caused some odd results, I don't think that this is one of them.
1. Rogers Hornsby 2. Nap Lajoie 3. Charlie Gehringer 4. Jeff Kent 5. Robinson Cano 6. Eddie Collins 7. Roberto Alomar 8. Craig Biggio 9. Joe Morgan 10. Frankie Frisch
Your 1,2,3 picks were from the long time ago era, which is not contemporary. So who would be no 1 from the modern era?? MORGAN! Growing up a REDS fan from the 1960s,,,you can not pick a better duo of Concepcion/Morgan. They made it look so easy.
Jeff Kent has more home runs than any second basemen 354???? Also probably most impressive Nellie Fox stat is only 216 strikeouts in 9232 at bats. He was the ideal number 2 hitter when Luis Aparicio was the White Sox leadoff hitter., he always moved the runner!!!!
Great 2nd baseman: speed and power. But hardly better than Hornsby--greatest right-handed hitter of all time--and Collins, 3rd best player of his era (Cobb and Speaker were better).
Joe Morgan was the best 2nd baseman I have ever seen, on the best team I have ever seen, but I'm biased. There will never be another team like that Reds team. Sparky Anderson best manager ever. He was first manager to win World Series in both leagues.
This was shaping up as a reasonable list until Gentrovo insulted the only player to ever bat .400 and hit over 40 homers in the same season, the guy who beat Ruth and the Yankees the 1926 World Series as player/manager, at only #3. Duh!
Although he is best known for hitting a home run, he was only a mediocre hitter who averaged less than 10 homers a season. Top 10 players don't have to have all five tools, but need to contribute on both offense and defense.
Lajoie's defense is vastly over-rated. He made a ton of plays that either the 2B or the SS could make, popups or tags at sec. Eddie C is an excellebt choice
It's La' zhu way. Leaving Jackie Robinson off this list, and Hank Greenberg off the 1st basemen list, just makes these lists absurd. Collins at number 1 wasn't a bad pick, though. But he wasnt the best of his era--Cobb was, then Speaker. Hornsby was the best righthanded hitter of all time, but yes, not extraordinary with the glove, as well as an SOB.
i knew that. i should have mentioned lou whitaker. he was phenomenal and then pair him him with trammel. outstanding tandem. whitaker belongs int he hof@@straycatttt2766
Only a little over half of his career, 740ish out of nearly 1400 games. He had 5 seasons ( 49 - 53 ) accounting for most of those 700+ games. Over 250+ games at 1B and OF each , 150+ at 3B
We're is Rod Carew? 7 batting titles yes 7. Not a great fielder but the best hitter in baseball in the 1970s won 7 batting title all in the 70s batted 388 on 77. Where is Rod Carew? 328 life Ave. 15 strait seasons batting 300 ave. 3000 hits any better hitter ?
I place Jackie Robinson above Gordon as a player, no doubt. However, one of the rules I gave myself was games played at 2nd base. Jackie played all over for his career.
This guy is a joke. Did this guy forget Jeff Kent played second base? Most HRs, most RBIs, his offensive output was matched only by Hornsby and Lajoie. Kent’s numbers make Sandburg’s look anemic. Kent’s numbers are better than Jim Rice of the HOF. Kent had a stretch of 11 years when in 10 of those he had 100+ RBIs. And Kent was NL mvp on s team that had Barry Bonds.
Frankie Frisch should not be in the Hall. Totally overrated. You have the audacity to give Dustin Podria an honorable mention and not Chase Utley? I know his career really stagnated late, but you can’t take away his great years.
I was born in 54 saw Maz play at times so I can't comment , who I can comment on is Doug Flynn cincy than a met great fielder cant see a sure handed slower footed Maz being better in the field imo
Here we go, again i will be critical, but meaning by it. FIRST.. ALOMAR ISN'T EVEN IN THE TOP 75 of all time valuable second basemen if you believe in W.A.R.(wins above replacement) which includes offense and defense. Youn have him as your #5, even that fool Bill James has him #10. his war for every 650 plate appearances is a miniscule 1.37; there are over 90 of James' top 100 2nd basemen with a higher WAR! G.O.A.T = Hornsby 8.717, Robinson 6.98, Cano 6.774, Collins 6.68, Lajoie 6.64.. then down into the 5. something. Bill James started all the BS about Hornsby being a subject fielder, and all the "NON RESEARCHERS, bought into it. HERE ARE THE FACTS. Only Frankie Frisch had more assists per 9 innings than Hornsby, 3.526 to 3.408 there are 10 others that had 3+ assists per 9. Collins, Morgan, and Alomar in the 2.9's. Joe Gordon def war .228 next closest Frisch 1.39, Biggio lost games defensively -0.275. Hornsby's 8.717 W.A.R. is second only to Ruth's 10.0 of any player at any position!
I give you credit for trying, I"LL BE GETTING BACK TO YOU LATTER TODAY!.. BUT YOU TOTALLY HAVE IT WRONG ABOUT COLLINS BEING THE BEST BATTER DURING HIS ERA! he was a punch and Judy hitter. Cobb, Speaker and Collin all played in the AL during the same years, all left handed hitters, facing the same pitchers Cobb had 1136 EBH Speaker 1131, Collins 672; Cobb & Speaker had higher BA, OBP, OPS, and OPS+... How can you say he was the best hitter? Only of 2nd basemen.....I'll blow you away in my next post later today. The only thing that counts, is how many games you win for your team W.A.R. during a full season. Not how good you looked fielding the baseball. Fielding is most critical at SS.
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Tigers Lou Whittaker was pretty good. Willie Randolph of the Yankees did his job quietly with the Bronx Zoo.
Excellent you definitely did your homework. I love the fact you didn't dish old time baseball. To many people today think the greatest players in any major sport don't count until 1960s or or later. Many younger people look at me if I talk about anyone before 1990s like who are they.
A good ballplayer in 1923 would be a good ballplayer in 2023.
Best hitting 2nd baseman- Rogers Hornsby
Best fielding 2nd baseman- Bill Mazeroski
Most Iconic 2nd baseman- Eddie Collins
Most Efficient 2nd baseman- Joe Morgan
Most Underrated 2nd baseman- Willie Randolph
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Lou Whitaker is the most underrated
I understand that Jackie Robinson is difficult to include on this type of list because of his versatility playing multiple positions. Same goes for Rod Carew. Jackie’s short career in MLB always seems to get him overlooked on these lists because of the late start, for obvious reasons, that he got. Given his contribution to the game and his great stats over that relatively short career he definitely should be somewhere in the top ten. Carew played almost as much second base as he did first base. His skill set is hard to compare to traditionally power hitting first baseman but if compared to second basemen he is definitely in the top ten.
Forget Cano. Juicer. And did not get it done in post season anyway.
This guy is an excellent author of “ Ten Bests”. It’s difficult to do well.
I immediately thought Pete Rose and Jackie Robinson
1- Roger Hornsby 2- Eddie Collins 3- Napoleon Lajoie 4- Joe Morgan 5- Charlie Gehinger 6- Jackie Robinson 7- Roberto Alomar 8- Frankie Frisch 9- Jeff Kent
10- Ryne Sanberg & Robinson Cano
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Good video! Surprised you don’t have more views!
I was surpirised you picked Rogers Hornsby only because he played so long ago but was the St. Louis version of Ty Cobb. Among Cardinals all-time, I rank him only behind Stan Musial, Bob Gibson, and Albert Puhols as I weigh power hitting more along with batting average. but cannot comment on the fielding of Hornsby. You have an interesting list as my own baseball memories start in the 1950s. I also liked your honorable mentions of Red Schoendiienst and Frankie Frisch as they make my all-time Cards team as bench players for the infield.
Glad you got Joe Gordon in here. He's very underappreciated - and by all accounts a heck of a guy.
1. Rogers Hornsby
2. Nap Lajoie
3. Eddie Collins
4. Joe Morgan
5. Charlie Gehringer
6. Jackie Robinson
7. Rod Carew
8. Roberto Alomar
9. Ryne Sandberg
10. Craig Biggio
Jose Altuve will make list once his career is over. Jackie Robinson may be the most popular 2nd basemen of all time but not the greatest
Eddie Collins also had 741 career stolen bases.
You gave honorable mention to everyone of whom I had been thinking
so kudos for that.
Thanks!
I haven't gotten through the whole list but how on earth do you rank Nellie Fox above Ryne Sandberg. Sandberg has a huge edge in HRs, RBIs, SBs. Sandberg beats him in runs, OBP and slugging percentage. Sandberg dominated in a number of these stats despite having about 900 fewer at bats. He also has 9 gold gloves to Fox's 3. I recognize it gets challenging when comparing players from various eras. We almost need two groups of stats. Realistically a player from the early 1900's wouldn't stand a chance in today's modern game. Someone 5-9 and 175lbs (Eddie Collins) would be about the size of a high school player today. If even that big. Honestly, as a hitter, I'd probably take Bryce Harper as a high school senior over most of these guys from the early 1900's. That is how much the game has evolved and people have evolved. Not sure where the cutoff would be between eras, but a lot has changed in 100 years and it is pretty much an apples to oranges comparison anymore. I will say the early 1900's games were probably more relaxing and enjoyable to watch than today's game. Certainly more affordable.
Flash and Rizzuto were the best pair at turning double plays as a percentage of estimated opportunities. And each of them ranks high with other partners
Bobby Richardson of the 1961 NY Yankees
Nellie Fox was a contemporary of Harvey Kuenn and their hitting philosophy was very similar. They both dd not like to strike out, they both liked to get a lot of hits and they both chewed tobacco most, if not their whole, baseball career. Both of them died young too.
I would have put Gehringer higher. Yes, he played in a hitter's era but his runs scored, RBIs, on-base percentage and bating average all were better than any modern second baseman. He was not close to Hornsby offensively but neither was anyone else.
Frankie Frisch - the Fordham Flash
YEAH!!!! 🥰 Nellie Fox finally gets some well-deserved recognition !! 🥰🇺🇲🥳🇺🇲🤩🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
What about Tony Lazzeri not even mentioned
You might want to check what you said here. That Collins was easily the best player of his era, which included Cobb and Ruth, and the best offensive 2nd base, which seems pretty arguable given Hornsby’s record. Any reason Robinson doesn’t even get an honourable mention? I’m curious how anyone can be confident about judging fielding prowess of 100 years + ago. Wikipedia quotes people taking a different angle to you on Lajoie. But interesting post, thanks.
Collins played mostly in the dead ball era. Hornsby played mostly in the live ball era. They are much closer offensively than most think. And of course, Collins had Hornsby beat with the glove and on the bases.
Somehow someway there was this Dodger from Pasadena Named Jack Roosevelt Robinson. He has a short time at 2nd and a short time in the bigs because he started at 28. And he did not have a strong arm. But he dominated the whole effing league for about 5 years. The most exciting player I ever saw and I saw Willie and Mickey a zillion times.
That's total BS. The most overrated player ever.
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You're total BS. You know nothing.
Sweet Lou Whitaker was better than Sandberg or Cano
I love this guy’s appreciation of baseball history and I know it’s all a debate. It’s also a different list but Don Mattingly has to be on the 1B list. 9 gold gloves says it all , but 1985 MVP, .300 plus lifetime, 2000 + hits, etc.
Thanks for the kind words. I must say, it was painful to leave Donnie Baseball off this list. Growing up, he was my absolute favorite player, and he is the reason I became a Yankees fan.
Thanks for the reply. You had me at Goose Goslin lol
Jeff Kent! Not top 10? O.K., but should be mentioned. More homers than any 2nd baseman and tons of R.B.I.'s
Did you hear him say Kent was top 10? Did you SEE him say Kent was top 10? No? Well, guess what? HE AIN'T TOP TEN!
@@TheBatugan77 Jeff Kent should be there blows Cano away
Not La-JWAH - LA-zho-ee.
Jeff Kent?
My top 20 would look something like this: Collins, Hornsby, Morgan, Lajoie, Gehringer, Robinson, Carew, Frisch, Grich, Gordon, Sandberg, Biggio, Utley, Whitaker, Barnes, Altuve, Evers, Pedroia, Zobrist, Kent… Postseason greatness gave Eddie Collins a very slight edge over Hornsby, and also got Johnny Evers on the list. Hard to know where to put Ross Barnes, who absolutely dominated the 1870s - most lists ignore him, I put him 15th. Cano, having more than one PED suspension, was not even considered. Neither was Alomar, an excellent player but maybe the worst human being ever to play the game.
Joe Morgan was only 5'-8", on the best team in baseball at that time. Two MVP's THE BIG RED MACHINE 1975-76
Tony Perez
Joe Morgan
Dave Conception
Pete Rose
Johnny Bench
George Foster
Cesar Geronimo
Ken Griffey Sr.
I agree with your top 4. I think Rod Carew should be 5th.
Carew played less than half of his career games at second base, and was moved to first base because of defensive issues.
@@roberthudson1959 but guys like Carew and Pete Rose played almost 20 years and during that long tenure gets moved to another position like 1st base, its not like those 2 guys didn't play a ton of 2nd base both are iconic hitters to think because they split time between both positions eliminates them from any top 10 position list is an injustice
@@thomasespositio3139 Rose played even a lower percentage of his games at second than Carew. In fact, he played more games at each of three other positions than he did at second. While I think the OP's rigid adherence to his selection criteria caused some odd results, I don't think that this is one of them.
Collins went one for three over 25 years.Good choice
1. Rogers Hornsby
2. Nap Lajoie
3. Charlie Gehringer
4. Jeff Kent
5. Robinson Cano
6. Eddie Collins
7. Roberto Alomar
8. Craig Biggio
9. Joe Morgan
10. Frankie Frisch
Rogers Hornsby isn’t one
No, I'm sorry, Your list is garbage.
What about Jackie Robinson?
Cano?
Wheres Altuve
@@skysharp9564 I forgot to buzz him.
Your 1,2,3 picks were from the long time ago era, which is not contemporary.
So who would be no 1 from the modern era??
MORGAN!
Growing up a REDS fan from the 1960s,,,you can not pick a better duo of Concepcion/Morgan. They made it look so easy.
Morgan definitely.
Jeff Kent has more home runs than any second basemen 354???? Also probably most impressive Nellie Fox stat is only 216 strikeouts in 9232 at bats. He was the ideal number 2 hitter when Luis Aparicio was the White Sox leadoff hitter., he always moved the runner!!!!
Jeff Kent
No Robinson? 😟
ALOMAR!
Joe Morgan is number one
Such a good choice!
Great 2nd baseman: speed and power. But hardly better than Hornsby--greatest right-handed hitter of all time--and Collins, 3rd best player of his era (Cobb and Speaker were better).
Joe Morgan was the best 2nd baseman I have ever seen, on the best team I have ever seen, but I'm biased. There will never be another team like that Reds team.
Sparky Anderson best manager ever. He was first manager to win World Series in both leagues.
This was shaping up as a reasonable list until Gentrovo insulted the only player to ever bat .400 and hit over 40 homers in the same season, the guy who beat Ruth and the Yankees the 1926 World Series as player/manager, at only #3. Duh!
It’s just a list, man. Don’t see how it’s insulting.
@@GentrovoKolyova True, I've gotta watch my blood pressure.
Chicago guy
Bill Mazeroski belongs in top 10.
Although he is best known for hitting a home run, he was only a mediocre hitter who averaged less than 10 homers a season. Top 10 players don't have to have all five tools, but need to contribute on both offense and defense.
Are you joking?
Mazerozki…maybe top 100😂
@@glennbasile314 Maz spent his prime years in Forbes Field and faced the best starting pitching in baseball history ie National League pitching.
no he doesn't
sandberg should be higher and morgen was great
Lajoie's defense is vastly over-rated. He made a ton of plays that either the 2B or the SS could make, popups or tags at sec.
Eddie C is an excellebt choice
Carew
Good call
No Maz? No good.
Absolutely! When Mazeroski finally made it into the Hall, he became the member with the LOWEST On Base Percentage!
That's noteworthy, isn't it?
@@brianthomas2434 "Greatness is as greatness does." - Forrest Gump
@@joannerichards1750 say WHAAAAT?
@@brianthomas2434 "Greatness is as greatness does."
@@joannerichards1750 you said nothing. But apparently with feeling, which is nice I guess.
You a Yinzer?
It's La' zhu way. Leaving Jackie Robinson off this list, and Hank Greenberg off the 1st basemen list, just makes these lists absurd. Collins at number 1 wasn't a bad pick, though. But he wasnt the best of his era--Cobb was, then Speaker. Hornsby was the best righthanded hitter of all time, but yes, not extraordinary with the glove, as well as an SOB.
you lost me with barely a mention of alan trammel
Trammell played shortstop, not second base.
i knew that. i should have mentioned lou whitaker. he was phenomenal and then pair him him with trammel. outstanding tandem. whitaker belongs int he hof@@straycatttt2766
Cano's career ended badly, which is why these lists should be reserved for retired players.
You should be reserved for being quiet.
Didn't JACKIE ROBINSON play second base.
Yes
Yeah, what the heck is going on here?
Only a little over half of his career, 740ish out of nearly 1400 games.
He had 5 seasons ( 49 - 53 ) accounting for most of those 700+ games.
Over 250+ games at 1B and OF each , 150+ at 3B
@@robertmurdock1848 Did he go into the Hall of Fame as a 2nd Baseman? .992 fielding % at 2nd, best for over 150 games played.
@@lionheartmerrill1069
His position is not noted in the headers of his plaque.
It is noted as part of his list of accomplishments.
Hornsby has to be number one. He's also number one jerk at second base.
You'd choose Joe Gordon over Jackie Robinson if you were putting a team together, really?
No, I wouldn’t. However, I gave myself a restriction to focus on players that 2nd was their primary position for their entire career.
Yeah. REALLY!
Now sit down.
We're is Rod Carew? 7 batting titles yes 7. Not a great fielder but the best hitter in baseball in the 1970s won 7 batting title all in the 70s batted 388 on 77. Where is Rod Carew? 328 life Ave. 15 strait seasons batting 300 ave. 3000 hits any better hitter ?
Carew played first base more often than second base in his career. I think that’s why he’s not on this list.
bobby grich? 71 WAR
Cano = Johnny Hustle
eddie collins
then all the rest.
Nap La ..jo… ee .
Wasn't Ty Cobb a second baseman?
Not that I know of…
I was wrong he played outfield. Thanks I like to learn@@GentrovoKolyova
Lol 😂
*spat
Joe Morgi, not even close
You can’t Hornsby over Morgan….
Hello? Jackie ROBINSON??! The only "Robinson" you did mention - Cano - doesn't belong on this list. Had great talent but never gave 100%. No hustle.
I place Jackie Robinson above Gordon as a player, no doubt. However, one of the rules I gave myself was games played at 2nd base. Jackie played all over for his career.
This guy is a joke. Did this guy forget Jeff Kent played second base? Most HRs, most RBIs, his offensive output was matched only by Hornsby and Lajoie. Kent’s numbers make Sandburg’s look anemic. Kent’s numbers are better than Jim Rice of the HOF. Kent had a stretch of 11 years when in 10 of those he had 100+ RBIs. And Kent was NL mvp on s team that had Barry Bonds.
Frankie Frisch should not be in the Hall. Totally overrated. You have the audacity to give Dustin Podria an honorable mention and not Chase Utley? I know his career really stagnated late, but you can’t take away his great years.
Rogers Hornsby much better hitter than Eddie Collins
Alomar should be #1!
Morgan number 1. end of argument.
Laughably wrong
Thanks! What's your top ten?
Best second baseman of all time is Joe Morgan
No
No hands bill maz wss best fielder at second base he seat 5:14 the all time double play record with gene alley in 1966 big.don clenden at first base
I was born in 54 saw Maz play at times so I can't comment , who I can comment on is Doug Flynn cincy than a met great fielder cant see a sure handed slower footed Maz being better in the field imo
Here we go, again i will be critical, but meaning by it. FIRST..
ALOMAR ISN'T EVEN IN THE TOP 75 of all time valuable second basemen if you believe in W.A.R.(wins above replacement) which includes offense and defense. Youn have him as your #5, even that fool Bill James has him #10. his war for every 650 plate appearances is a miniscule 1.37; there are over 90 of James' top 100 2nd basemen with a higher WAR! G.O.A.T = Hornsby 8.717, Robinson 6.98,
Cano 6.774, Collins 6.68, Lajoie 6.64.. then down into the 5. something. Bill James started all the BS about Hornsby being a subject fielder, and all the "NON RESEARCHERS, bought into it. HERE ARE THE FACTS. Only Frankie Frisch had more assists per 9 innings than Hornsby, 3.526 to 3.408 there are 10 others that had 3+ assists per 9. Collins, Morgan, and Alomar in the 2.9's. Joe Gordon def war .228
next closest Frisch 1.39, Biggio lost games defensively -0.275. Hornsby's 8.717 W.A.R. is second only to Ruth's 10.0 of any player at any position!
I give you credit for trying, I"LL BE GETTING BACK TO YOU LATTER TODAY!.. BUT YOU TOTALLY HAVE IT WRONG ABOUT COLLINS BEING THE BEST BATTER DURING HIS ERA! he was a punch and Judy hitter. Cobb, Speaker and Collin all played in the AL during the same years, all left handed hitters, facing the same pitchers Cobb had 1136 EBH Speaker 1131, Collins 672; Cobb & Speaker had higher BA, OBP, OPS, and OPS+... How can you say he was the best hitter? Only of 2nd basemen.....I'll blow you away in my next post later today. The only thing that counts, is how many games you win for your team W.A.R. during a full season. Not how good you looked fielding the baseball. Fielding is most critical at SS.
You'll blow who? In what?
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