Agree 100%. Even when I was under the influence of strict Christianity, I never could accept that people who commit suicide are lost. An unconditionally loving God would take a child who is in that amount of emotional and mental pain and wrap them in his arms and heal their heart and soul. Thank you for discussing this.
Lost my brother 11/15/2010. Your coverage of this subject summed up everything I said in his eulogy. My mom had the hardest time with his choice, and there was no comfort given by anyone. Thank you for.your compassionate understanding of the pain suffered by all affected by this choice.
Thank you for bring compassion to this sensitive subject. I was on a brink of suicide in my teenage years. In that moment I didn't care if I wasn't going to heaven. Al I cared at that time was to stop the pain. Although it was a horrible experience, I'm grateful for what that moment thought me. Years later my own daughter was in the same place that I was and I was able to reach her without judging her and bringing unconditional love.
Tried to take my life @ 15. Failed. I'm still here. I'd been extremely abused by my father (whom also went to prison for what he did)and also an uncle. At that time of life Already experienced the affects of that plus sought counseling to try to get some help and after that session when I was telling of it all, it was so overwhelming to me. It was also during the time of Bobby and King being murdered. All of it was so very hurtful and sad, not to mention Kennedy being taken from us(when I was 10) It was all too much for me, so I tried to end it, also knowing I'd go back to heaven. When I got out from hospital, knew and determined, it was all up to me and God to sort this out and then one of the first things I did was begin singing my songs I'd composed at an earlier age. Those songs have seen me through, plus more I have composed since then and grown ever closer to the God of Love whom I knew was really with me and I made Him my Father. Thanks for the understanding. I am grateful I have accomplished so much with what I'd been given to do in this life and so much more.
Thank you John❤I so needed to hear this. I lost my father to suicide when I was only 15 years old and you are so right. I can’t imagine the torment his mind was in at that moment, I only know how it affected my mental health. Believing I will be with him again and that he is no longer suffering means so much to me
I pray for society to see the importance of mental health services. Like so many things in this life, the people who need it the most often can’t get the help they need. We need to remove the stigma that goes with seeking mental health services. I know from personal experience that it saved my life, but I was fortunate to have good health insurance. That help should be made available to everyone who needs it! Thank you as always John!
In my early twenties a young man I absolutely adored hung himself. I struggled for years with his loss. Forty years later I'm driving down a country road, windows down on a gorgeous sunny day and I hear screaming. It was a hysterical husband whose wife just hung herself. I was able to get her breathing again and the husband calmed down while we waited for the ambulance but anoxic brain injury was obvious. The psychological transference I experienced was devastating and it tore open so many old wounds. Thank you for this pod cast. It will help with the pain.
Thank you, John. I believe everything you said in this video. My husband committed suicide 11 years ago, and even though I always suspected that's how his life would end, it still came as a shock when it actually did. I believe it was my job to keep him alive as long as he was, but when I was no longer able to do that without losing myself and needed to leave the marriage, he took his own life. His depression and mental illness were things he needed to help himself with, but he wasn't capable of doing it for himself. I tried my best to help him, but I couldn't do it for him. I know in my heart he's in a better place now, and has actually helped me from the other side. What you said in this video will really help people going through this terrible ordeal. Thank you again.❤️
My sophomore & junior years in high school I felt suicidal. I had counciling with my school counselor & a psychiatrist, but they couldn't help me. There was a group of dear friends that were praying for me & somehow they knew what I was going through. I went to this Bible study & one evening when I came home I had an experience of Jesus Love that washed all those painful throughts & feelings away. For the first time I felt loved & peaceful. I walked in a different light & started enjoying the life I was given. Since then along life's journey I was able to help others that were experiencing this horrible darkness. I do not believe a person goes to hell if they commit suicide. They are already in hell. Our God is a loving God, I believe they are comforted, healed, cleansed & loved from the pain. Life is not always easy living here.
Thank you so much for this video. I am struggling day to day. I grew up in southern baptist church and always been made to feel I was not worthy of God’s forgiveness I was saved , born again and also baptized. When mom took her life it pulled the rug out my feet. She also was saved when she was a girl. I was so scared frightened she would go to hell. The pain and suffering she went through in this life i couldn’t bear her being in hell. I hope and pray she is with God and one day I will see her again and be with her.
💔 when someone is in so much pain that checking out looks like the only way to make the endless suffering stop, I understand. It's the greatest of juxtapositions - stop living so you can feel like your living again (not sure how I describe it made sense here - hopefully it did). I'm not in agreement with it I'm just describing that I understand how for some people it can get to that point. Pray for those that are depressed. ❤️ Give them love - help lift them if you can.
Funny how you talked about repeating numbers in the episode following suicide… in reference to my last comments. Spiritual alignment 🕊 I’m also sorry for your loss.
Some of my attempts were in fear but some were not. Some I was simply reason to see what's next, an acknowledgement I had nothing left I wanted or felt needed to do in this form of existence and was ready to move on. Not as worried on leaving anyone behind since parents are dead, no spouse, no children, no relationships or friendships at this stage so can literally just be phased out as if I wasn't here and that's kind of peaceful for me.
As someone who's had suicidal tendencies for over a decade; Nothing inspires more desperation than people constantly telling you to "go seek help". It literally helps nothing; and all it does is prove that you're feeling scared of those people. As if being suicidal is infectious. When you're suicidal, you're actually looking for human connection to feel less desperate and less alone. And what "go seek help" translates to is: "I don't want anything to do with you, because you being suicidal scares me somehow". Suicidal people more often than not, never even take an attempt at suicide, and are very kind empathic people who suffer on a soul-level because they can't find anyone who relates to them/their existence/what they experience in life. And they just go through the horribleness of those feeling for years and even decades on end, without wanting to actually commit suicide. People who are suicidal, are suicidal not by choice, and they want to live life just as much as you do. They're not terrorists wearing a bomb-vest, wanting to ruin your day or anyone else's. All this "go seek help" rhetoric does nothing for the suicidal person, except pushing them away. Making them feel unwanted/abnormal. Which is one of the main pillars of becoming suicidal: Not feeling connected to humanity at large. And lets face it; The real weak people in our society are the ones who are afraid of connecting to people who are in trouble.
I lost a friend to suicide. She struggled. Others in her family also committed suicide. There was a hard gene to live with in that family. Also, she should have been inpatient but her insurance had ran out for inpatient admissions.
My dear, I am sure the first thing your cousin did when he got to Heaven was go to confession. Sorry, my dumb humour gets the best of me sometimes. I absolutely agree with everything you said. I've been there. My reasoning was that I was no good to anyone.
@@johnofnew Still working on it. Event happened (I don't want to talk about) I thought God was against me. So one day after it was all over I asked in my head that if he was there for me to remove this depression from me. 95% of it was removed.
I am sorry about your cousin. I do agree that the church is wrong on that point. And that Home is a place of total love. The gnostic church that I follow says suicide is not an accepted exit point. But, given the total love of Home, they are not judged or condemned at all. They are sent back to live a similar life and circumstances like a sort of do-over or second chance. Except those suffering some kind if mental suffering or illness do not need to come back. I am not sure if I completely buy in to the do over part but it was enough to have me worried about my father after he shot himself in the room next to me. I suspected that he had Asperger's but was never diagnosed. His family just thought of him as the odd or quirky uncle. I had read that those people can be more prone to depression. It isn't easy always feeling different from others or that you will never feel like you belong or fit in anywhere. He gave me a splash of his aspie traits so I can attest to how lonely that feels sometimes. A few months after he passed I was woke up during the night by my room door opening. I saw him standing there. I was in total shock and just sat there starting at him. He turned and walked to my closet. Opened that door and walked inside. About a minute or so later he came back out, went back to my room door, turned to looked at me a few seconds then left. I have never seen him since. I asked a psychic if that really was him or was I having a very vivid dream. I never remember my dreams but remember that very clearly. The psychic told me it was my father just stopping by to let me know he was fine and happy now. The psychic added what a major experience it was. He said did I know how many client's he talked to who would give anything for a visit like that. I mentioned him opening my door because he used to do that to me all the time and it would scare the bejeebers out of me! But I accepted that it was one of his aspie traits coming out and that he never meant it in a bad way. His brain never thought to process that walking in on a person might scare or embarrass them. In fact he used to just look at me with a confused face like I grew a second head or something. The thought that it might bother someone was just not a thought that would enter his mind.
you may be more right than I in your word8ng. i often know what I 2ant to say but f8nding the right words is very difficult for me. i am not sure yhat i have completely come to terms with the gnostic teachings i follow on that particular subject myself. which is fine. veven the founder and authour of all the books that were transcr8bed s3ssion with her spirit guide talking about Home, beliefs, differences between ch7rch dogma and her simplified love God, do good deed. go home. teachings that that is the only dogma that matters. i do believe there is no hell but also that suicide unmitigated is not an acceptable 3xit point. yet i know my father is at home. did his depression count as an altered mindset? i am not sure. maybe someday i will figure out what i think. lol@@sarahmottram3369
It makes me furious that this platform doesn't want us to talk about important issues. Add not even name them but to talk in code, so I hope you won't get any kick back from them. It's NOT a social media if we can't talk about social issues, mental health and certain crimes against another..
Agree 100%. Even when I was under the influence of strict Christianity, I never could accept that people who commit suicide are lost. An unconditionally loving God would take a child who is in that amount of emotional and mental pain and wrap them in his arms and heal their heart and soul. Thank you for discussing this.
Thank you so much for this video. A loving God understands and loves us. No-one commits suicide unless they have reached rock bottom.
Lost my brother 11/15/2010. Your coverage of this subject summed up everything I said in his eulogy. My mom had the hardest time with his choice, and there was no comfort given by anyone. Thank you for.your compassionate understanding of the pain suffered by all affected by this choice.
Thank you for bring compassion to this sensitive subject. I was on a brink of suicide in my teenage years. In that moment I didn't care if I wasn't going to heaven. Al I cared at that time was to stop the pain. Although it was a horrible experience, I'm grateful for what that moment thought me. Years later my own daughter was in the same place that I was and I was able to reach her without judging her and bringing unconditional love.
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Tried to take my life @ 15. Failed. I'm still here. I'd been extremely abused by my father (whom also went to prison for what he did)and also an uncle. At that time of life Already experienced the affects of that plus sought counseling to try to get some help and after that session when I was telling of it all, it was so overwhelming to me. It was also during the time of Bobby and King being murdered. All of it was so very hurtful and sad, not to mention Kennedy being taken from us(when I was 10) It was all too much for me, so I tried to end it, also knowing I'd go back to heaven. When I got out from hospital, knew and determined, it was all up to me and God to sort this out and then one of the first things I did was begin singing my songs I'd composed at an earlier age. Those songs have seen me through, plus more I have composed since then and grown ever closer to the God of Love whom I knew was really with me and I made Him my Father. Thanks for the understanding. I am grateful I have accomplished so much with what I'd been given to do in this life and so much more.
Thank you John❤I so needed to hear this. I lost my father to suicide when I was only 15 years old and you are so right. I can’t imagine the torment his mind was in at that moment, I only know how it affected my mental health. Believing I will be with him again and that he is no longer suffering means so much to me
I pray for society to see the importance of mental health services. Like so many things in this life, the people who need it the most often can’t get the help they need. We need to remove the stigma that goes with seeking mental health services. I know from personal experience that it saved my life, but I was fortunate to have good health insurance. That help should be made available to everyone who needs it! Thank you as always John!
You are welcome!--John
In my early twenties a young man I absolutely adored hung himself. I struggled for years with his loss. Forty years later I'm driving down a country road, windows down on a gorgeous sunny day and I hear screaming. It was a hysterical husband whose wife just hung herself. I was able to get her breathing again and the husband calmed down while we waited for the ambulance but anoxic brain injury was obvious. The psychological transference I experienced was devastating and it tore open so many old wounds. Thank you for this pod cast. It will help with the pain.
I'm sorry for your experiences.
What beautiful, compassionate words you have spoken.
Thank you
Thank you, John. I believe everything you said in this video. My husband committed suicide 11 years ago, and even though I always suspected that's how his life would end, it still came as a shock when it actually did. I believe it was my job to keep him alive as long as he was, but when I was no longer able to do that without losing myself and needed to leave the marriage, he took his own life. His depression and mental illness were things he needed to help himself with, but he wasn't capable of doing it for himself. I tried my best to help him, but I couldn't do it for him. I know in my heart he's in a better place now, and has actually helped me from the other side. What you said in this video will really help people going through this terrible ordeal. Thank you again.❤️
Thank you for the most compassionate take on this subject i have ever heard.
Thank you.---John
My sophomore & junior years in high school I felt suicidal. I had counciling with my school counselor & a psychiatrist, but they couldn't help me. There was a group of dear friends that were praying for me & somehow they knew what I was going through. I went to this Bible study & one evening when I came home I had an experience of Jesus Love that washed all those painful throughts & feelings away. For the first time I felt loved & peaceful. I walked in a different light & started enjoying the life I was given. Since then along life's journey I was able to help others that were experiencing this horrible darkness. I do not believe a person goes to hell if they commit suicide. They are already in hell. Our God is a loving God, I believe they are comforted, healed, cleansed & loved from the pain. Life is not always easy living here.
Thank you so much for this video. I am struggling day to day. I grew up in southern baptist church and always been made to feel I was not worthy of God’s forgiveness I was saved , born again and also baptized. When mom took her life it pulled the rug out my feet. She also was saved when she was a girl. I was so scared frightened she would go to hell. The pain and suffering she went through in this life i couldn’t bear her being in hell.
I hope and pray she is with God and one day I will see her again and be with her.
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💔 when someone is in so much pain that checking out looks like the only way to make the endless suffering stop, I understand. It's the greatest of juxtapositions - stop living so you can feel like your living again (not sure how I describe it made sense here - hopefully it did). I'm not in agreement with it I'm just describing that I understand how for some people it can get to that point. Pray for those that are depressed. ❤️ Give them love - help lift them if you can.
Thank you!!
Funny how you talked about repeating numbers in the episode following suicide… in reference to my last comments. Spiritual alignment 🕊
I’m also sorry for your loss.
Some of my attempts were in fear but some were not. Some I was simply reason to see what's next, an acknowledgement I had nothing left I wanted or felt needed to do in this form of existence and was ready to move on. Not as worried on leaving anyone behind since parents are dead, no spouse, no children, no relationships or friendships at this stage so can literally just be phased out as if I wasn't here and that's kind of peaceful for me.
However being here and resonating the vibration of love is a noble purpose at this time of mass enlightenment.
@@johnofnew interesting word choice though feel no such concept and doubt I ever will again and certainly never of myself (accepted that part).
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Suicide is a sensitive subject to talk about. It’s so important to seek help.
As someone who's had suicidal tendencies for over a decade; Nothing inspires more desperation than people constantly telling you to "go seek help". It literally helps nothing; and all it does is prove that you're feeling scared of those people. As if being suicidal is infectious.
When you're suicidal, you're actually looking for human connection to feel less desperate and less alone. And what "go seek help" translates to is: "I don't want anything to do with you, because you being suicidal scares me somehow".
Suicidal people more often than not, never even take an attempt at suicide, and are very kind empathic people who suffer on a soul-level because they can't find anyone who relates to them/their existence/what they experience in life. And they just go through the horribleness of those feeling for years and even decades on end, without wanting to actually commit suicide.
People who are suicidal, are suicidal not by choice, and they want to live life just as much as you do. They're not terrorists wearing a bomb-vest, wanting to ruin your day or anyone else's.
All this "go seek help" rhetoric does nothing for the suicidal person, except pushing them away. Making them feel unwanted/abnormal. Which is one of the main pillars of becoming suicidal: Not feeling connected to humanity at large. And lets face it; The real weak people in our society are the ones who are afraid of connecting to people who are in trouble.
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I lost a friend to suicide. She struggled. Others in her family also committed suicide. There was a hard gene to live with in that family. Also, she should have been inpatient but her insurance had ran out for inpatient admissions.
I'm sorry to hear that
My dear, I am sure the first thing your cousin did when he got to Heaven was go to confession. Sorry, my dumb humour gets the best of me sometimes. I absolutely agree with everything you said. I've been there. My reasoning was that I was no good to anyone.
glad you're still here
I know what deep dark depression borderline suicide feels like. It hurts. I don't wish it on anyone
sorry you went through that. Did you come to appreciate love more fully?
@@johnofnew Still working on it. Event happened (I don't want to talk about) I thought God was against me. So one day after it was all over I asked in my head that if he was there for me to remove this depression from me. 95% of it was removed.
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thank you fo r this topic. (I wanted to mention your sound is kind of low on your videos, at least on my comp!)
Sounds fine here
I am sorry about your cousin. I do agree that the church is wrong on that point. And that Home is a place of total love. The gnostic church that I follow says suicide is not an accepted exit point. But, given the total love of Home, they are not judged or condemned at all. They are sent back to live a similar life and circumstances like a sort of do-over or second chance. Except those suffering some kind if mental suffering or illness do not need to come back. I am not sure if I completely buy in to the do over part but it was enough to have me worried about my father after he shot himself in the room next to me. I suspected that he had Asperger's but was never diagnosed. His family just thought of him as the odd or quirky uncle. I had read that those people can be more prone to depression. It isn't easy always feeling different from others or that you will never feel like you belong or fit in anywhere. He gave me a splash of his aspie traits so I can attest to how lonely that feels sometimes.
A few months after he passed I was woke up during the night by my room door opening. I saw him standing there. I was in total shock and just sat there starting at him. He turned and walked to my closet. Opened that door and walked inside. About a minute or so later he came back out, went back to my room door, turned to looked at me a few seconds then left. I have never seen him since. I asked a psychic if that really was him or was I having a very vivid dream. I never remember my dreams but remember that very clearly. The psychic told me it was my father just stopping by to let me know he was fine and happy now. The psychic added what a major experience it was. He said did I know how many client's he talked to who would give anything for a visit like that. I mentioned him opening my door because he used to do that to me all the time and it would scare the bejeebers out of me! But I accepted that it was one of his aspie traits coming out and that he never meant it in a bad way. His brain never thought to process that walking in on a person might scare or embarrass them. In fact he used to just look at me with a confused face like I grew a second head or something. The thought that it might bother someone was just not a thought that would enter his mind.
No one is 'sent' back......we choose to come back.....God/higher power is totally non judgemental and no force is used to send us back...❤
you may be more right than I in your word8ng. i often know what I 2ant to say but f8nding the right words is very difficult for me. i am not sure yhat i have completely come to terms with the gnostic teachings i follow on that particular subject myself. which is fine. veven the founder and authour of all the books that were transcr8bed s3ssion with her spirit guide talking about Home, beliefs, differences between ch7rch dogma and her simplified love God, do good deed. go home. teachings that that is the only dogma that matters. i do believe there is no hell but also that suicide unmitigated is not an acceptable 3xit point. yet i know my father is at home. did his depression count as an altered mindset? i am not sure. maybe someday i will figure out what i think. lol@@sarahmottram3369
It makes me furious that this platform doesn't want us to talk about important issues. Add not even name them but to talk in code, so I hope you won't get any kick back from them. It's NOT a social media if we can't talk about social issues, mental health and certain crimes against another..
I've had no issue with "this platform"
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