If i remember correctly, when in command center you assign the ext amp and the tip/ring you also have "latch" type of switch and another one (i don't remember how is called). I tried using the amp channel with the preset and solved that issue with the "stay dirt" or "stay clean" thing when switching to 2 preset that uses the same amp channel: you should first NOT choose the "latch" type, but the other one, then reserv a stomp in stomp mode with "turned on" ext amp on dirt presets, and the same but "turned off" in the clean presets. That means that when changing presets the Helix will check if the stomp is still turned on or off, and send the switch channel signal only when it sees a change in state of that stomp. (so from dirt to dirt it will not change channel because the stomp is still turned on, while from dirt to clean it will switch the channel because the stomp goes from turned on to turned off). You should check if you amp supports only latch switches or also other type, this method works only if the amp supports also the other type of switch. Hope this is understandable, my english is not that perfect, lol
So yes you are 100% correct. You can do it by dedicating one switch in pedal mode to the amp channel. However you cannot do it without dedicating that switch. Which I didn’t want to do as it would sacrifice a switch in pedal mode. But it’s not a big deal.
@@TheGuitarEffect you can still have 2 different effects on the same switch (one from the chain and the amp contro assigned from the command center) you won't ever need to press that if you use the preset banks and just switch these. At least, i use my helix fx in a Victory Kraken using 4 cable method and i don't have to use snapshots or go into pedal mode, it works just fine with presets :)
FWIW, with snapshots, it works. Selecting a snapshot sets the amp channel correctly, no matter what the previous state was. You can assign an amp channel to a snapshot from the HX Edit menu : Window / Command Center. Then select Command : Ext Amp and make your choice (tip or ring). Working this way it is recommended to set global settings snapshot mode to Latch. Then after you load a preset, press both bank switches simultaneously to keep the snapshots reachable at all time. The whole thing has ben designed poorly if you ask me.
Hey. Thx for the comment. Yep I think I understand what you are saying but I don’t think it solves my problem. So all I can do is say send a relay on tap or ring. I can’t say make the tip or ring on or off (or set the state) Think if it like this. I’ve three snapshots Clean. Switch off Dirty. Switch on Lead. Switch on If I set the switch to send a relay when the lead preset is selected, it will when switching from clean but will actually switch back to the clean channel if I go from dirty to lead. Have I got that right?
Hey Magnus. Thx for the comment. I do t have the bogner anymore. But no I dont think I got it working the way I wanted. But that’s more so a design feature of the way the HX switching works. Not I use the boss OD200 instead and control it with MIDI. It’s much easier.
Do you know if I could achieve the following? 1. Footswitch 1 has a Delay+Chorus, plus sends a PC MIDI message to my amp head to switch to a clean channel 2. Footswitch 2 has no effects, plus sends a PC midi message to my amp head to switch to an overdriven channel?
@@TheGuitarEffect awesome thanks so much, your video was really useful I appreciate my question might not be something many would use this board for! I was using a Headrush MX5, but returned it due to it going faulty
What if you forced your amp to be in the dirty channel first by using the amp's actual buttons, and then plugged in your hx effects unit and assigned the footswitch to the channel while it was dirty to begin with. Do you think that it would reverse the order with the light being off for the clean channel and on for the dirty channel?
Could someone give me a quick rundown on how to hook it up this way? I usually run everything to the front of my amp, but with the channel switching I’m not so sure. I have a 5150iii 50 watt (3 channel). Would the 4 cable method be the way to go?
Hey Matthew. Thx for the comment. So yes you need to use 4 cable method. So here is how you do it. Assuming you use FX loop 1 but you could use 1 or 2. 1. Guitar to HX input 2. FX loop 1 send to amp input 3. FX Loop 1 return to amp effects send 4. HX output 1 or 2 to amp effects return. Hope that helps. Rob
Just got an hx effects the other day and still can't get the channel switch to work, I have a Blackstar HT Club 50 and I was wondering is it Midi only (my amp doesn't have midi)? do I have to update it? Cause that third opinion for "latch" doesn't show up on my HX effects.
Hey man. Let me look at this for you when I’m back in the studio. I’m out at the minute but I think it uses different terms than latching and momentary. I’m not sure though. I’ll check tomorrow for you.
Hey! Do you still have the problem where if you go from a dirty preset to another, it will change channel to clean? Check out the HX demo series by Peach Guitars... it seems they can get the amp to stay in the channel you need it to be, even from dirty to dirty (or clean to clean).
Hey Jose. I’ve seen the peach series on the HX effects. (Love that channel) So he changes amp channel by dedicating a footswitch to that function. So therefor as I pointed out in my video you can simply go into pedal mode while you have that preset selected and change the channel to whether you want it on or off for that particular preset and then it will be set correctly from preset to preset. Great. However if you don’t want to sacrifice a footswitch in pedal mode and instead want to just select which channel you are on when you select a preset you can’t do that. You can only ask it to change the channel. I’m sorry it’s really hard to explain!!!!
Hey heathencraft FX. That is really strange. Do both amps make that noise when you plug the TRS lead in by it’s self or only when the HX effects is plugged into the other end?
@@TheGuitarEffect opened up and found a burned up transistor right in that spot where it connects in the circuit... Sending it out tomorrow for another one
Question. Can I have a preset with multiple FX:s such as Phaser, reverb, delay and then with just a click, activate this preset AND change channel at the same time?
@@TheGuitarEffect Thanks for sharing your wisdom about this! One last question! My plan was to use 1 expression pedal and one external pedal and then the channel switch. Will there be enough inputs/outputs for this scenario?
When you say external pedal do you mean like an overdrive or delay pedal or something as opposed to an external footswitch? If so the answer is yes. In fact you could run two external pedals, an expression pedal and an amp switching jack simultaneously.
Hey Aaron. That’s actually quite complicated. I’m not familiar with the katana unfortunately but It’s seems that the Katana’s channels can be controlled with a 2 button footswitch according to this video. ruclips.net/video/XYm0Wf4Z0Ao/видео.html So therefore you could in theory control it’s channels with one of the amp control outputs on the HX effects.
@@TheGuitarEffect oh yeah i forgot it's the hx effect,,means just add the Amp Simulator before the effect,how is the correct routing if you want to add the amp simulator...?
@@TheGuitarEffect I've spent about 7 hours on and off without much playing atm.😄 I've manged to get some snapshots set up using the the Instant commands for changing channel on my amp per snapshot, but when I assign a Commmand for a switch in same preset/snapshot to turn the drive on/off in Stompbox mode, doesn't seem to work, turns a different voice on my amp, even tho I've set the tip same as what I have in the snapshot drive . If that makes sense? Apart from that I'm enjoying it.
Nice vid. Thanks. Question: Is a TRS cable required? I'm using a regular TS cable with my Marshall JCM 2000 DSL 50. It switches channels just fine, but, there is a very audible hum in the background when the TS cable is plugged in. Would a TRS cable fix this, even though the Marshall footswitch uses a TS plug? The line 6 manual says to ise TRS, but, doesn't say why. Thanks for any help.
ROB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GREAT VIDEO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you now do it on the HX STOMP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey!!! (That’s all the exclamation marks I can offer) :( thx for the comment. I don’t have a HX stomp (mainly since they cost like €1,000,000 or something) but the procedure would almost certainly be exactly the same…..!
I figured it out in the meantime...I have to plug in the original footswitch pedal of my marshal amp and have the fx loop in pedal active in order to be able to use the HX effects...not quite the solution i was hoping for
So you absolutely have to have the FX Loop active or no signal passes through your amp’s preamp but I don’t understand why you have to use your amps footswitch or indeed why that solved the problem?
Hey Ajaz. Yes. One other person had this problem. He solved it by removing one of the solder points in the TRS jack. It’s on the comments of this video. It’s the comment thread by Heathen craft below
@@TheGuitarEffect Thanks. Ill find the thread. I am not using TRS anyway. I was using the normal single ring 1/4"' cable, which is what is used in the amps original footswitch.
I have a Friedman BE-100 with a clean channel, a dirt channel and a boost channel. The foot switch that comes with the amp has two switches and uses a TRS cable. I can get the HX to switch from clean to dirty, but cannot get the boost channel to work. Has anyone else figured out how to make this work? Do I need two switches allocated in HX to make this happen?
If i remember correctly, when in command center you assign the ext amp and the tip/ring you also have "latch" type of switch and another one (i don't remember how is called). I tried using the amp channel with the preset and solved that issue with the "stay dirt" or "stay clean" thing when switching to 2 preset that uses the same amp channel: you should first NOT choose the "latch" type, but the other one, then reserv a stomp in stomp mode with "turned on" ext amp on dirt presets, and the same but "turned off" in the clean presets. That means that when changing presets the Helix will check if the stomp is still turned on or off, and send the switch channel signal only when it sees a change in state of that stomp. (so from dirt to dirt it will not change channel because the stomp is still turned on, while from dirt to clean it will switch the channel because the stomp goes from turned on to turned off).
You should check if you amp supports only latch switches or also other type, this method works only if the amp supports also the other type of switch.
Hope this is understandable, my english is not that perfect, lol
So yes you are 100% correct. You can do it by dedicating one switch in pedal mode to the amp channel. However you cannot do it without dedicating that switch. Which I didn’t want to do as it would sacrifice a switch in pedal mode.
But it’s not a big deal.
@@TheGuitarEffect you can still have 2 different effects on the same switch (one from the chain and the amp contro assigned from the command center) you won't ever need to press that if you use the preset banks and just switch these. At least, i use my helix fx in a Victory Kraken using 4 cable method and i don't have to use snapshots or go into pedal mode, it works just fine with presets :)
FWIW, with snapshots, it works. Selecting a snapshot sets the amp channel correctly, no matter what the previous state was. You can assign an amp channel to a snapshot from the HX Edit menu : Window / Command Center. Then select Command : Ext Amp and make your choice (tip or ring). Working this way it is recommended to set global settings snapshot mode to Latch. Then after you load a preset, press both bank switches simultaneously to keep the snapshots reachable at all time.
The whole thing has ben designed poorly if you ask me.
Hey. Thx for the comment. Yep I think I understand what you are saying but I don’t think it solves my problem.
So all I can do is say send a relay on tap or ring. I can’t say make the tip or ring on or off (or set the state)
Think if it like this.
I’ve three snapshots
Clean. Switch off
Dirty. Switch on
Lead. Switch on
If I set the switch to send a relay when the lead preset is selected, it will when switching from clean but will actually switch back to the clean channel if I go from dirty to lead.
Have I got that right?
@@TheGuitarEffect What do you call switch above ? I don't use anything called switch, only the command center via HX edit.
OK let me upload my preset, trying here: (put that in a hlx file)
Replace the word “switch” with the word amp ctl
@@TheGuitarEffect youtube has deleted my post with the preset content
Hey
Thanks for a great video!
Did you ever get this trs-switching to work with your Bogner Ecstacy Blue? Thanks // Magnus
Hey Magnus. Thx for the comment. I do t have the bogner anymore. But no I dont think I got it working the way I wanted. But that’s more so a design feature of the way the HX switching works. Not I use the boss OD200 instead and control it with MIDI. It’s much easier.
Do you know if I could achieve the following?
1. Footswitch 1 has a Delay+Chorus, plus sends a PC MIDI message to my amp head to switch to a clean channel
2. Footswitch 2 has no effects, plus sends a PC midi message to my amp head to switch to an overdriven channel?
Hey Jack. Thx for the comment.
Yes that is absolutely possible. Easy enough too.
@@TheGuitarEffect awesome thanks so much, your video was really useful I appreciate my question might not be something many would use this board for!
I was using a Headrush MX5, but returned it due to it going faulty
No worries mate happy to help.
What if you forced your amp to be in the dirty channel first by using the amp's actual buttons, and then plugged in your hx effects unit and assigned the footswitch to the channel while it was dirty to begin with. Do you think that it would reverse the order with the light being off for the clean channel and on for the dirty channel?
Hey Kody. I think I tried that and it didn’t work but it’s a while back might be worth trying again.
How is it connected to the amp? 4CM or is it simply just you use the trs into the amps foot switch then the units output into front of amp?
Hey it’s 4 cable method because I like the wet effects after gain.
Could someone give me a quick rundown on how to hook it up this way? I usually run everything to the front of my amp, but with the channel switching I’m not so sure. I have a 5150iii 50 watt (3 channel). Would the 4 cable method be the way to go?
Hey Matthew. Thx for the comment. So yes you need to use 4 cable method. So here is how you do it. Assuming you use FX loop 1 but you could use 1 or 2.
1. Guitar to HX input
2. FX loop 1 send to amp input
3. FX Loop 1 return to amp effects send
4. HX output 1 or 2 to amp effects return.
Hope that helps.
Rob
Just got an hx effects the other day and still can't get the channel switch to work, I have a Blackstar HT Club 50 and I was wondering is it Midi only (my amp doesn't have midi)? do I have to update it? Cause that third opinion for "latch" doesn't show up on my HX effects.
Hey man. Let me look at this for you when I’m back in the studio. I’m out at the minute but I think it uses different terms than latching and momentary. I’m not sure though. I’ll check tomorrow for you.
@@TheGuitarEffect Thank you that would really be appreciated!
Brother, you didn't tell us where the TRS cable plugs into after it comes out of the HX.
Hey. Thx for the comment. It plugs into the footswitch input on your amp.
@TheGuitarEffect Ahh thanks man!
Hey! Do you still have the problem where if you go from a dirty preset to another, it will change channel to clean? Check out the HX demo series by Peach Guitars... it seems they can get the amp to stay in the channel you need it to be, even from dirty to dirty (or clean to clean).
Hey Jose. I’ve seen the peach series on the HX effects. (Love that channel) So he changes amp channel by dedicating a footswitch to that function. So therefor as I pointed out in my video you can simply go into pedal mode while you have that preset selected and change the channel to whether you want it on or off for that particular preset and then it will be set correctly from preset to preset. Great.
However if you don’t want to sacrifice a footswitch in pedal mode and instead want to just select which channel you are on when you select a preset you can’t do that. You can only ask it to change the channel.
I’m sorry it’s really hard to explain!!!!
@@TheGuitarEffect that's pretty clear ! Thanks. Just a pitty line6 was not able to figure this out
My matamp and ksr amps make extreme noise when plugging in a trs jack into the ext Ctrl to switch channels..this is my second unit
Hey heathencraft FX. That is really strange. Do both amps make that noise when you plug the TRS lead in by it’s self or only when the HX effects is plugged into the other end?
@@TheGuitarEffect when it's plugged into the amp and the hx effects
Sorry mate I’m totally stumped. I can’t understand how a relay would make an amp buzz. Really odd. Hopefully you get it sorted.
@@TheGuitarEffect opened up and found a burned up transistor right in that spot where it connects in the circuit... Sending it out tomorrow for another one
Wow. And that is your second unit. That’s awful.
Question. Can I have a preset with multiple FX:s such as Phaser, reverb, delay and then with just a click, activate this preset AND change channel at the same time?
Yes you can. But realistically you’d need to assign one if the footswitches on the preset to amp channel change for it to work properly
@@TheGuitarEffect Ah ok, so how many FX can there be in a preset? Ill guess if I want a amp channel change, theres one less of FX? Correct?
Hey RagnVlad. You don’t lose and effect block just a footswitch.
@@TheGuitarEffect Thanks for sharing your wisdom about this! One last question! My plan was to use 1 expression pedal and one external pedal and then the channel switch. Will there be enough inputs/outputs for this scenario?
When you say external pedal do you mean like an overdrive or delay pedal or something as opposed to an external footswitch? If so the answer is yes. In fact you could run two external pedals, an expression pedal and an amp switching jack simultaneously.
Does your amp have 2 channels only? My Boss Katana head have 4 channels. Is it also possible to change my katana's channel using HX Effects?
Hey Aaron. That’s actually quite complicated. I’m not familiar with the katana unfortunately but It’s seems that the Katana’s channels can be controlled with a 2 button footswitch according to this video.
ruclips.net/video/XYm0Wf4Z0Ao/видео.html
So therefore you could in theory control it’s channels with one of the amp control outputs on the HX effects.
If your amp has midi should be easy?
@@JoshyyJay Yep just a MIDI Program Change Message per channel change I'd say.
does this line 6 hx stomp have an Amply simulator and an IR loader...???
Hi Aen. This is the HX effects not the HX stomp. It does have an IR loader but not any amp simulation. The HX stomp has both
@@TheGuitarEffect
oh yeah i forgot it's the hx effect,,means just add the Amp Simulator before the effect,how is the correct routing if you want to add the amp simulator...?
Did you find out how to reverse the light when switching OD on on the footswitch.? ( so it doesn't go dim when on.)
Very annoying.
Hey Graham. No I gave up looking pretty quick I mind! I’ve just gotten used to it now.
@@TheGuitarEffect I've spent about 7 hours on and off without much playing atm.😄
I've manged to get some snapshots set up using the the Instant commands for changing channel on my amp per snapshot, but when I assign a Commmand for a switch in same preset/snapshot to turn the drive on/off in Stompbox mode, doesn't seem to work, turns a different voice on my amp, even tho I've set the tip same as what I have in the snapshot drive .
If that makes sense?
Apart from that I'm enjoying it.
That doesn’t make sense. It should only trigger what’s on the tip if you assign just the tip. Are you using a TRS cable yeah?
@@TheGuitarEffect yeah, maybe it's my amp.
Nice vid. Thanks. Question: Is a TRS cable required? I'm using a regular TS cable with my Marshall JCM 2000 DSL 50. It switches channels just fine, but, there is a very audible hum in the background when the TS cable is plugged in. Would a TRS cable fix this, even though the Marshall footswitch uses a TS plug? The line 6 manual says to ise TRS, but, doesn't say why. Thanks for any help.
Hey. So heathencraft fx has the same issue and found a fix for it. It’s detailed in his / her comment below.
ROB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GREAT VIDEO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you now do it on the HX STOMP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey!!! (That’s all the exclamation marks I can offer) :( thx for the comment. I don’t have a HX stomp (mainly since they cost like €1,000,000 or something) but the procedure would almost certainly be exactly the same…..!
Anyone knows why my effects after fx loop dont work with the amp switching?
Hey. How do you mean with the amp switching? Do you mean that they work without the amp switching Jack plugged in but not when it is plugged in?
I figured it out in the meantime...I have to plug in the original footswitch pedal of my marshal amp and have the fx loop in pedal active in order to be able to use the HX effects...not quite the solution i was hoping for
So you absolutely have to have the FX Loop active or no signal passes through your amp’s preamp but I don’t understand why you have to use your amps footswitch or indeed why that solved the problem?
I just got this unit. I try to use command centre to change amp channel, but my amp gets a lot of noise through this way. Has anyone faced this?
Hey Ajaz. Yes. One other person had this problem. He solved it by removing one of the solder points in the TRS jack. It’s on the comments of this video. It’s the comment thread by Heathen craft below
@@TheGuitarEffect Thanks. Ill find the thread. I am not using TRS anyway. I was using the normal single ring 1/4"' cable, which is what is used in the amps original footswitch.
I have a Friedman BE-100 with a clean channel, a dirt channel and a boost channel. The foot switch that comes with the amp has two switches and uses a TRS cable. I can get the HX to switch from clean to dirty, but cannot get the boost channel to work. Has anyone else figured out how to make this work? Do I need two switches allocated in HX to make this happen?