They are and if you decided to do the West Germans they would have the following result DB Baureihe 194 Krokodil Einheitselok DB Baureihe 150 110.3 DB Baureihe 103 DB Baureihe 120. American veterans that live in West Germany sees the same result too
The 803 (the South Shore guys get irritated if you call it a "Little Joe") has run on occasion, including on the coach train. The motorman has to be careful to lower the pan and coast wherever there are trolley frogs. That. plus the current draw (even in series, that is a serious freight motor) generally keep it in Barn 9. The 'Liner did run during the parade. It's back in good mechanical condition, the interior is still getting worked on, with the tables in the lounge having the tops and trim renewed, and the middle car that Philadelphia Suburban cut an extra entrance into has a lot of work yet.
@@rearspeaker6364 Oh good point, since its an AEM-7AC, they will have totally different motors than the original AEM-7s and ALP-44s. My documentation says they are 3 phase with 1550v between phases.
The "Little Joe," the GG1, and the "Little Volvo" look in great shape. If it wasn't for the Union RR Museum, these locomotives might not have survived for us to see them.
@csxpittsburghdivision8580 The museum runs on 600-odd-volt DC current. The GG-1s ran on over 11,000 Volts of AC. I've been in the GG-1 here, and internally, it's in extremely rough condition. Most/all of the surviving GG-1s have had the electronics removed for abatement of the PCB oils inside. Short of Gutting and rebuilding them with modern transformer and electronics, they'll never run again. And that doesn't even address the severe frame fatigue and cracking that they all suffered from in the last decade of service. If you look at any GG-1 you'll find goobers of weld repairs all of the frames that only ever lasted as short-term fixes.
@@seand7894 Unfortunately, that is correct. easier to build a new GG-1, and throw the guts of a AEM-7 inside it, but who has 20 million to do that??....and to add, the politics to let amtrak to run it on the NEC?
If you were able to raise the catenary voltage 15kv 16.7hz AC then you can tug of war GG1 PRR Little Joe and a West German Deutsche Bundesbahn Baureihe 150 Krokodil Baureihe 193 alt & Baureihe 194 in tug of war. For the West German locomotives you need the ones that have AAR couplers held by a pin like a British Class 91 IC225 locomotive for the hook slots that way the West German locomotives are coupled to each other against the GG1 Little Joe while on the other track you have AEM-7 vs a West German Deutsche Bundesbahn Baureihe 110.3 111 103 or 120 locomotives passenger loco tug of war.
@@rearspeaker6364 You mean the West German 193/194 which were used by the US Army for the Berlin-Frankfurt/Bremen trains the last car being the Caboose
Don’t know if this is the right place to post this, but I would love to see a video about the staggers rail act and the mass abandonment of railroads in the 80s and years later. And what can be done modern day to increase usage of branch lines and railroads in general.
Staggers was badly needed after a century of overtaxation and regulation of the railroads as well as having their competition subsidized by the taxes they paid. Some mergers that would have saved more mainlines especially in the Northeast were never allowed to happen. Essentially the only thing that would begin to undo damage now is defunding roads and privatizing interstate highways as toll roads because the costs of trucking are way artificially low. George Hilton was of the best sources on railroad economics and regulation, as well as historical publications on short lived industries like interurban lines, cable cars, and great lakes passenger ships. He was one of the economists somewhat credited with killing the ICC.
I know the challenges that go along with getting a GG1 running again (with the transformers and such). But I feel like the IRM is the best place to make it happen since they have the infrastructure to run it.
GG1 cant run ever again due to PCBs in the transformers and other various 1930s shit thats incompatible with the current setup without turning it into a brand new engine
@@yeoldeseawitch It doesnt seem impossible to remove the old transformer and make something with similar specs and slap it in, but to be fair im no engineer
@@loganbrown8282alternatively a power source for the traction motors housed in a trailing car would work. The big difficulty is finding a GG1 with the best frame.
Would love to see someone take a gg1 clean all the guts out of it and put all new modern tech inside to make it run. Original on the outside, new completely changed on the inside. Can this be done?
They never made it to the USSR. I wonder if the paint job would be similar to those used on the Db series Baldwin cab units that did run across the steppes.
@@yeoldeseawitch In outline, yes. Those Baldwin cab units I referred to did get shipped over, but the twenty electrics were held up later as "strategic materials." I run across stuff in railroad histories about somebody involved with both The Milwaukee Road and the government engaging in machinations to keep the motors Stateside, but those machinations were too clever by half, which is why Milwaukee got only the twelve. The Russian Decapod story has a second act, yes, the final lot that never shipped out didn't ship out after Lenin's crew took over the country. But then another couple thousand to the same plans went over during the War as lend-lease. It's mostly those from the second set still doing preservation work in Russia, that is, if there's any railway preservation going on there any more.
RARE: Alan Fisher uploads railfanning footage. Not surprised that it involves electric engines from the IRM.
Emphasis on electric engines
Holy shit the three best American loco's ever all together
They are and if you decided to do the West Germans they would have the following result DB Baureihe 194 Krokodil Einheitselok DB Baureihe 150 110.3 DB Baureihe 103 DB Baureihe 120. American veterans that live in West Germany sees the same result too
Saw this irl can confirm very foamy 10/10 would foam again
Three highly foamable locos in one consist! I was foaming so hard to this video, I can't imagine how much foaminess there was when this was filmed...
reject utilitarian design, return to stylistic streamlining
siemens take notes, or at the very least get a proper paint department.
little joe design, best.
Nah the SD40-2 and Ge Dash 9 are cool as hell there buster
I dont think ive ever seen it run under its own power before. Hopefully they get the electroliner fixed soon
The 803 (the South Shore guys get irritated if you call it a "Little Joe") has run on occasion, including on the coach train. The motorman has to be careful to lower the pan and coast wherever there are trolley frogs. That. plus the current draw (even in series, that is a serious freight motor) generally keep it in Barn 9. The 'Liner did run during the parade. It's back in good mechanical condition, the interior is still getting worked on, with the tables in the lounge having the tops and trim renewed, and the middle car that Philadelphia Suburban cut an extra entrance into has a lot of work yet.
@@SHKarlson ive seen it in person calm down lol
@@SHKarlsonI did manage to ride behind it once.
South Shore Baybeee! American electric railroads outside the NEC
I didn't know little Joe was in operating condition
I just rode the South Shore today, what are the odds? This week was my first time.
SICK 🥵
I was there! I finally got the see the Little Joe move under it's own power
They need to run 945 on its own power soon
catenary won't support 12k volt AC.
I'm sure the motors are in the 750 volt range.
@@MilwaukeeF40C unless it's an AC traction motor version of the toaster.
It could be made into something like a slug, but it might cost more than the trouble would be worth.
@@rearspeaker6364 Oh good point, since its an AEM-7AC, they will have totally different motors than the original AEM-7s and ALP-44s. My documentation says they are 3 phase with 1550v between phases.
The "Little Joe," the GG1, and the "Little Volvo" look in great shape. If it wasn't for the Union RR Museum, these locomotives might not have survived for us to see them.
She's a beauty. Nice catch.
That’s neat, what a nice shot!
Poggers
Are they trying to run the gg1
I wish
@versedbridge4007 why do there don't run them there? They will get more money
@csxpittsburghdivision8580 The museum runs on 600-odd-volt DC current. The GG-1s ran on over 11,000 Volts of AC. I've been in the GG-1 here, and internally, it's in extremely rough condition. Most/all of the surviving GG-1s have had the electronics removed for abatement of the PCB oils inside. Short of Gutting and rebuilding them with modern transformer and electronics, they'll never run again. And that doesn't even address the severe frame fatigue and cracking that they all suffered from in the last decade of service. If you look at any GG-1 you'll find goobers of weld repairs all of the frames that only ever lasted as short-term fixes.
@@seand7894 okay
@@seand7894 Unfortunately, that is correct. easier to build a new GG-1, and throw the guts of a AEM-7 inside it, but who has 20 million to do that??....and to add, the politics to let amtrak to run it on the NEC?
The little interurban 803 is bigger than the GG1.
If you were able to raise the catenary voltage 15kv 16.7hz AC then you can tug of war GG1 PRR Little Joe and a West German Deutsche Bundesbahn Baureihe 150 Krokodil Baureihe 193 alt & Baureihe 194 in tug of war. For the West German locomotives you need the ones that have AAR couplers held by a pin like a British Class 91 IC225 locomotive for the hook slots that way the West German locomotives are coupled to each other against the GG1 Little Joe while on the other track you have AEM-7 vs a West German Deutsche Bundesbahn Baureihe 110.3 111 103 or 120 locomotives passenger loco tug of war.
the crock would rip both of them down the track from a standstill, but the gg1 and toaster could do 90 plus. can't drag a crock past 40.
@@rearspeaker6364 You mean the West German 193/194 which were used by the US Army for the Berlin-Frankfurt/Bremen trains the last car being the Caboose
SODA!!!!!!
There's a working little Joe in America still, that's friggin awesome
Three of my favorite locomotives in one consist, love it.
Don’t know if this is the right place to post this, but I would love to see a video about the staggers rail act and the mass abandonment of railroads in the 80s and years later. And what can be done modern day to increase usage of branch lines and railroads in general.
Seconded!
ABSOLUTELY THIRDED. I have a PDF of the Staggers act languishing on an obscure tab in my browser and would really, really like to outsource reading it
Staggers was badly needed after a century of overtaxation and regulation of the railroads as well as having their competition subsidized by the taxes they paid. Some mergers that would have saved more mainlines especially in the Northeast were never allowed to happen. Essentially the only thing that would begin to undo damage now is defunding roads and privatizing interstate highways as toll roads because the costs of trucking are way artificially low.
George Hilton was of the best sources on railroad economics and regulation, as well as historical publications on short lived industries like interurban lines, cable cars, and great lakes passenger ships. He was one of the economists somewhat credited with killing the ICC.
THE MILWAUKEE ROAD
I'M TIRED OF SEEING IT
south shore line chicago-south bend
They did get the lion’s share of these. Several also went to Brazil.
The holy Trinity of electrics
All that's missing is the PRR DD1, PRR E44, and GN W-1.
so many wheels
I know the challenges that go along with getting a GG1 running again (with the transformers and such). But I feel like the IRM is the best place to make it happen since they have the infrastructure to run it.
They dont. their line is DC. the GG1 is AC
@@jacobs1491 I never said they ran it.
The spark was a bonus!
I’d love for them to restore that GG1 and AEM7
GG1 cant run ever again due to PCBs in the transformers and other various 1930s shit thats incompatible with the current setup without turning it into a brand new engine
@@yeoldeseawitch It doesnt seem impossible to remove the old transformer and make something with similar specs and slap it in, but to be fair im no engineer
@@loganbrown8282alternatively a power source for the traction motors housed in a trailing car would work. The big difficulty is finding a GG1 with the best frame.
Would love to see someone take a gg1 clean all the guts out of it and put all new modern tech inside to make it run. Original on the outside, new completely changed on the inside. Can this be done?
Little Joe is a Handsome boy i love the orange and stuff i did not know this locomotive is in operation
is that the max speed of little joe
Maybe track speed, but they could manage at least 70.
I want to know if there's a drawing of Little joe depicting it in Soviet service
They never made it to the USSR. I wonder if the paint job would be similar to those used on the Db series Baldwin cab units that did run across the steppes.
@@SHKarlson so its basically a repeat of the russian decapod steam locomotive story?
@@yeoldeseawitch In outline, yes. Those Baldwin cab units I referred to did get shipped over, but the twenty electrics were held up later as "strategic materials." I run across stuff in railroad histories about somebody involved with both The Milwaukee Road and the government engaging in machinations to keep the motors Stateside, but those machinations were too clever by half, which is why Milwaukee got only the twelve.
The Russian Decapod story has a second act, yes, the final lot that never shipped out didn't ship out after Lenin's crew took over the country. But then another couple thousand to the same plans went over during the War as lend-lease. It's mostly those from the second set still doing preservation work in Russia, that is, if there's any railway preservation going on there any more.
I had read on a forum that there's a kickass steam shop in Russia.
Government subsidized.
@@SHKarlsonthere are a lot that have been plinthed.
I love this engine
But did you catch the Electroliner puttering about?
Toaster my beloved
3 generations of electric locomotive, back-to-back. Love this vid!
Nice very cool
The gg1 is operational too by the way. Theres footage of it running somewhere
Cool catch!
its about time the little joe ran again
Yes, the three legendary electric American locomotives, I really wish the Milwaukee Road still exist for me, but not anymore.🥲