Cabride on the "Little Joe" 803
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- One of the major highlights at the Illinois Railway Museum's 60th Anniversary Celebration was their Chicago South Shore & South Bend "Little Joe" #803. The locomotive made it's operational debut in 20 years and could be a few more years before it's brought out again.
During the celebration, the 803 would take turns with Lehigh Valley Coal Company #126 operating the caboose train. When the 0-6-0T took over on Saturday, the "Little Joe" was used for cabrides on the museum grounds.
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We had 5 units of this work of art here in São Paulo at Paulista Railway.
It was my first conduction experience
There's no words to explain how wonderful is to operate it
Traction and generating
Yes, there's a few people who operat it
Great footage from inside the cab. Great locomotives. Real workhorses. Some cab restoration and paint would be nice-just to delay the progress of rusting.So pleased to see a "Little Joe" up and running. A view from track-side would have been a pleasure too! Thank you Midwest Zephyr Media. This 'trip' answered a lot of my questions.
Sol Carter Thank you very much for the feedback and have a good day.
This locomotive has OUTLIVED THE MIGHTY GG1!!!! IT STILL LIVES TO TRAVEL AGAIN!!!! These are beautiful machines-even better looking than the GG1s!!
Very spicy take there
Wrong
In my opinion, I like both of them.
I wish you showed more footage of what the guy was actually doing with the controls and less of the guy, but cool locomotive
It's hard to believe that something like that was new at one time.
Rode on the 801, 802 and 803 in the early 60's as a brakeman.
The controllers of old electric locomotives are just badass
I wish I could roll the clock back to 1972!!! And ride the mountain division!
Let's hear it for the R. M. div
Awesome video, the locomotive itself has definetly seen better day’s, also really astonishing to see these still in operation!
Used to see Little Joe when it was in service. I especially remember it in South Bend In. where I was born in 1949. Thanks for the video.
That need to fix that window and clean EVERY THING IN THE CAB
What's that really tell ya?
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Nice to see this loco in operation. I think they must have been rated at 1500v dc but running under reduced power (I think the museum has 600v dc overhead power)
The only class E636 locomotive of the Italian State Railways equipped with electric braking had a double throttle similar to that of this Little Joe. Was used on the steep Turin - Modane line (international Frejus tunnel)
I rode in The Milwaukee Road caboose being pulled by 803 that day!!!
Great video! I think I might have ridden some of those Lackawanna coaches when I was a kid; when the railroad companies were starting to hurt financially, they would use all kinds of old equipment on the local lines. I'm semi retired, and will be taking a road trip out to that museum at some point this coming summer (I live in NJ).
+D.E.B. B It wouldn't surprise me at all if you might have ridden one of the Lackawanna cars as a vast majority of them have been saved. Amazing where some of them ended up in today. Thank you very much for the feedback and hope you enjoy your visit to IRM this summer. Have a good day.
Luke I.
The South Shore never called them "Little Joes", they were referred to as the "800s"
Little Joe's as they were known on the Milwaukee Road.
...and that throttle had how many notches? Guess I'm just used to diesel-electric. In any case it's nice to see vintage power restored and running again and especially nice to see it from the cab. I really enjoyed the video. As to the comments over how often the engineer leans out the window, considering the length of his power and how many folks are wandering around track-side I think he's just doing what any responsible guy would do in trying to keep everyone safe.
32 notches, 16 Series, 16 Parallel. Bottom lever is Series, top lever is parallel. I ran them many times and on the South Shore, not in a museum demonstration gig.
Yeah, sucha shame these engines didn't have battery tenders!
@@pauljevert1450 Didn't Joes have shunt notches too? By the way, several early electrics in Poland had this American-style main controller (the first batch of PKP ET21 or sand railways' 2E53) which was quickly superseded by "driving wheel" design typical for European power. Rather than having separate levers for series and parallel, all are controlled by a single vertical shaft mounted in front of engineer's seat, hence the "driving wheel". The only separate levers are the reverser and shunt controls (5 notches, usually).
Where are electric engines notched so carefully even under a light load? I've noticed this in Japan as well as the Netherlands.
I’m no expert, so don’t believe what I say entirely, but from what I understand, it stems from the fact that you don’t have the built in resistance that a steam piston or hydraulic transmission provides. It may be much easier to put too much of the juice on the motors and do a steel-on-steel burnout!
The LJs aren't really just engines, but also history. They go back to the war and have backstories. Hope they can keep this one up and running and maybe someday it can be useful as more than a rusting old hulk stuck in a large Butler building in Illinois. We need to respect our rail history, and this engine takes in a rare case where our rail histories line up with world events, international relations and the US railroad system. I can remember seeing this type engine running the SS stock up and down the tracks where I grew up, knew its story as just a kid and was always impressed with it. Seemed so massive, even when compared to the large regular engines.
Is this the only Little Joe that still runs?
Yes.
I would love to see it run again, got to get out there too the hog head looked young but saw he was running it backwards instead of from the other cab.
OMG! Its wonderful that locomotive was rebuilt. I wonder much did that cost to make it run again?
It looks like the pantograph were making the trolley wire bounce at least it didn't make the trolley wire snap and break, sure looks dangerous but what a locomotive 6'000 hp electric what power
I was impressed. I have no idea what the guy was doing but the engine seemed to respond well. That is a lot of very heavy machinery moving very near other locos and buildings and people. Lot of responsibility. Good video.
Those locomotives seem so complicated to operate as opposed to how simple modern GEs and EMDs are. Everything is buttons and tiny levers now.
Man that looks SOOOOO cool!
I never knew any little joes still operated!
Don't forget the CMStP&P.
The guy in the orange shirt climbing of the Zephyr near the beginning of the video was me!
Dude cool I found you
Glad to see one of these old electrics were treated properly
LOL I actually thought the guy 'fitted' the role of an electric locomotive engineer nicely - Fertilizer bomber haircut, Adam's apple, mirrored shades and all... I rode in an electric locomotive out in Perris, California in the 1970s as a teen. When he clicked thru those notches it reminded me of that old loco. Never forgot how scary it was jumping up on the ladder and going up into the cab of that thing. One of the gauges had a GE logo on it.
Looks like they get a pretty big crowd!!
Um dos principais destaques na celebração 60º aniversário do Museu Ferroviário de Illinois era a sua Chicago South Shore & South Bend "Little Joe" # 803. A locomotiva fez a sua estreia operacional em 20 anos e poderia ser mais alguns anos antes de ser trazido para fora novamente.
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There was a locomotive with that same sound that would pass near my home town when I was a kid.
Brilliant videos !
An engine like this should be restored to full service!...
The engineer seems a friendly sort of a guy :-)
He is. I was there last summer as he was pulling a diesel out of the shed after hours. He stopped the engine near the platform and asked my friend and I if we wanted to ride with down the line and we did. It was my first time riding in a cab. It was a very nice invitation and great experience.
@@travisolson9190 I've said hello to the guy a phew times. He a friendly guy just quiet and a little reserved.
Love this!
Very cool!
How did they manage to have an old electric run? A lot of the earlier electrics are relegated to static display due to the change in voltage on electrified track as well as PCB. These must not have had the chemical present.
Place is so cool I noticed the pcc car in the start of this video
That looks like Gustavo!
would like to see a gg1 or one of the other older prr electrics run next
+Raymond Leggs GG1's suffer from their electrics being known to leech carcinogens from I think the transformers or something. So they will never again run under their original designed parts. And it's not financially feasible to rebuild one. While WE love them, the newer locomotives are much better running and more comfortable for the guys driving them. I was lucky enough to ride behind one when I was a kid. I didn't know what a tremendous locomotive I was looking at back then.
Could it run on its own on NEC infrastructure anyway?
Between New York and Washington, possibly, but not north of there. They were designed for 25Hz AC and the power from New York to New Haven is all 60Hz. Modern AC locomotives can switch frequencies, but the GG1s can't. Not to mention they have oil-cooled transformers, which used a PCB-based cooling fluid that is environmentally unfriendly to say the least.
@@sha1om Indeed, that combined with the regrettable fact they have frame issues all around due to metallurgy problems, is a total death sentence for any GG1 ever running. You’d have to pull a T1 Trust, and build one from scratch.
lo felicito señor conductor , hermosa locomotora electrica, y aqui en chile esa locomotora tiene una prima hermana y electrica,,,
was a fun ride on that train
How does this guy run around on the museum? From what I understand the museum runs 600V DC on it's overhead lines, yet the original design specification requires 3.3KV. I know IRM has a SSL unit that was modified to run on 1.5KV, but that's still more than the 600V the museum provides.
Trains can run on lower voltages unless it is the wrong type of power (DC or AC).
Trains can run on lower voltages unless it is the wrong type of power (DC or AC). But at an reduced power.
just wondering, how come they don't just go to the other side of the locomotive, isn't it a twin cab electric?
they hauled a caboose so no doubt they reverse
I saw one switching in Gary in early 1970's from a distance. Closest I ever got sadly.
b3j8 That's still incredible that you saw one of these in regular service. Where is Gary and what railroad was it on?
Midwest Zephyr Media Gary Indiana, or what's left of it, is abit over 20 miles SE of Chicago, and was founded by the huge US Steel works that located there. The Little Joe I glimpsed was on the South Shore switching a cut of cars. Man, that was a long time ago!
+Midwest Zephyr Media gary is like next to chicago in indiana
It was on the south shore line I bet
Lots,of old iron there where was this at
It's crazy to see this thing still running. Normally when an electric locomotive is retired, it's retired for good, and for good reason. Look at the AEM-7's for example... in Wilmington Delaware, they have a PILE of burnt out modules and miscellaneous parts from the engines. You can imagine repairing and replacing constantly on a locomotive like that would get expensive, not to mention tiring... scavenging for parts from other engines is a better option on the wallet, but time consuming and it really only delays the inevitable. They don't make 'em like they used to.
...they dint call 'em TOASTERS for nothin...
Nothing crazy, imo. This is simple electromechanic "classic electric engine" machine from 1945, without electronics. Only motors and relays/contactors. Easy to repair or "resurrect" of its parts. For example, VL8 electric engines, an USSR's substitution for these machines (banned for export from USA). These engines are still in operation today, under full 3300 V dc, having 50+ years of operation age. :) These machines can be easily repared, as it doesn't have electronics and other expensive parts.
@@sergeyblinov4957 You bring up a good point. Everything is analog, rather than digital. No circuit boards, just the cabinets full of good old fashioned hard wiring!
I also had no idea the substitutes for these were still in operation. Thanks for your input!
@@PowerTrain611, VL8 engines: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/VL8
That cab could use a little work
It's old man it's not gonna be used for anything else Milwaukee road fell
Cody Brock
It isn’t Milwaukee Road.
All the comments on here about how the guy's an asshole and how he's operating the locomotive and how he keeps staring out the window... Obviously not written by people who've operated locomotives before. Keep in mind that this motor is almost 90 feet long. The only diesel approaching that length are the few DD40s left. This thing is a full cowl body. That's a lot of damn locomotive to block your view. He was asking whoever in the cab that had a radio to turn it down because, as you can hear from his radio in the beginning, it was causing feedback on his radio. He has to hear what his crew is telling him. Being observant? Well duh. He probably had to teach himself how to control the locomotive. The number of engineers out there who've operated these machines that are still alive are probably in the single digits. Yes, he keeps staring at the catenary. The IRM's was designed for trolley and interurban cars, mostly with trolley poles, not pantographs. Pantographs exert a lot of upwards force on the catenary, and he's probably checking to make sure it's not snagging on the wire.
CRQ5508 he's doing his job
ANY ENGINEER WORT HIS SALT HAS TO LOOK FORARD AND BACK IN A VERY PUBLIC PLACE SUCH AS A MUSEUM, NO MATTER WHAT TYPE A LOCOMOTIVE! GETS AN
"A+" FOR SAFETY! HOW MANY NOTCHES ON
THROTTLE?
Awesome! thanks for sharing👍
& cool DDA40X( 10:00 )catch👌
For all those who had negative comments to post about the engineer Check out the video...South Shore 803 at Illinois Ry Museum 8-30-13 and read the notes right under the video where it states "Note the occasional lowering and raising of the pantographs to clear trolley wire frogs that are not able to handle pantograph operation". Seems the engineer was just being cautious and just doing his job correctly! (So who would be the "Ass-hole" now kids! D'oh, Lol!) Know the facts first then comment kids, Lol!
Do they still use this unit? Or is it put away?
Sure seems like a very "tired" motor ! He was pretty brutal with that controller !
He never would have gotten away with that on any motor I ever ran.
No body... you thinking it has an engine when it's a electric
But if your refuring to traction motors that revving ain't them
I really liked it but I sure would have liked to know what and why as he was doing. Mr. B.
How much does "Little Joe" weigh in pounds or tons? (Not European weights because this is America) Thanks. I was looking at the inside of the cab too and would like to sand and paint it.
+WatDaMattaForYou 545,600 lb
Okay, so I'm a total foamer but I'll ask: Given how the Little Joe is a two-way, could this driver have switched to the other end rather than back-up? Or would that have taken too long?
The Little Joseph Stalin - "Little Joe"! Truly unique machine, as at first it was an export order Soviet Union had ordered from US in 1946. However in 1947 Cold War was developing and US government told GE not to sell the locomotives. So they had to be redone for US gauge and replaced control board to English.
This is great
So cool!!
Aqui no Brasil tinham várias.
if u notice the sound there's no engine noise and he doesn't use all the controls
No engine sound because it doesn't have an engine ;) it's electric
it sounds like the horn on 803 is a little out of shape
+Chris Fields A few octaves lower and it would be similar to a GG-1 .... a glorified 'fish horn' ! For those to young to know, back in the day the fish monger / seller would come through the old neighborhoods blowing a horn and hollering " Fresh fish "
Wow now that sounds cool
What’s the big lever on top of controller for ?
I sewar he looks like a regualr at my railway,
if only we could see this & the old streetcars running over the south shore...
Show the train, not the guy operating it.
How did you get the engineer to let you do that
This engine sure is big despite being called "Little Joe"
interesting that the driver has to go through all the steps of the rehostat just to get the loco moveing slowly
+allan egleston It's a 1,500V locomotive running on 600V so it probably needs a few more steps than usual to get moving.
Why are there two throttle quadrants?
16 notches Series, 16 notches Parallel.
The lower is a 37 notch throttle, the upper is regenerative braking.
Hey, do you have an 8k-UpConverter?
The horn kinda sounds like a trumpet
this locomotive is now operating tourist trains?
AmtrakSuperFan 393
at least it works, here in Brazil has two locomotives equal to 803 and are abandoned for many years.
How is it they can run a little joe but not a gg1? What’s the deal with all of that?
I want to say the GG1s use a different amperage or voltage that is not in common use anymore, but I'm not sure. I haven't done that much research on them or the Little Joes.
The GG1 is not in the best condition right now.
That Dude should go back to playing with his model train set..
horn sounds like it needs some WD-40
The horn sounds like a sick cow.
americans already had some beutiful horns, no need a indian to get the job done
Was this a Milwaukee loco?
...yes...they were built for a soviet union railroad, but never left the us...
What is that clicking noise ? Is the operator putting the train in gear ?
The bell.
That's the throttle being notched. If you look at him working the throttle,you'll hear the clicking. That thumping sound is the air compressor. I saw the 800 at the Gary Ind depot. I also saw the 803 doing switching along US12. I was taking photos near the track then decided to eat my lunch. Good thing because the Gary Police showed up looking for the trespasser. I think the CSS&SB crew called the cops. The CSS&SB used 600 Volts DC because of the M.U cars instead of the 13,000 volts the Milwaukee road used. These locos also went to Brasil, but the electrification was abandoned & thieves stole the wires out of these rare locomotives.
Hey, do you have this in 6K?
may I ask what your looking for?
I agree again
This geek engineer is very animated ! looking out the window forward & backwards .
1:23 look the Nebraska zephyr
After reading the explanation why he notched out so much to get moving, I understood it. I operated GG1's-E33/44's. No way could you do that with them. Notch out on a G like that and it will jackrabbit out from underneath you! The G's had 22 notches, the E44's had 29 notches, and the E33's had 16 with 16 more half notches. You would notch out and if you wanted to, raise the throttle up and get another half notch of power. The E33/44's had dynamic brakes, the G's did not. The G's and E33's had 24 air brake, the E44's had 26. The E33's were single control, the G's were double cab, the E44's were dual controlled.
I bet it must've been amazing to operate those beasts! I love the GG-1s the E33s and E44s. What was it like to run the GG-1? For a electric locomotive they make this roaring/whirling sound. In some of the videos on RUclips I've seen.
@@andrewiantorno6942 The GG1's were quiet. All those wheels, it was a real solid ride, no swaying like a diesel. Cramped cab, I'm 6'3" and always knocking into something. It had a 22 notch controller and 24 airbrake. The E44's were different. Very noisy outside with the blowers going. When you hit run 4, the resister blowers chimed in and you can hear them a mile away screaming! You made sure your train was fully stretched, cause you were going to move now. They were dual controlled, running long hood forward, they road like you on a boat. The E33's were single controlled, short hood forward, and 24 schedule airbrake, always couple long hood to long hood. Google locomotive operating manuals , railfan.net or something like that, and you will see it. Hope you like the answer! Have fun.
@@gordonvincent731 Hey thank ya! I much appreciated you answering my questions. I got back into being a railfan a few years ago. I have to admit I miss it.
@@andrewiantorno6942 You are very welcome.
It’s a 37 notch throttle on an electric locomotive originally designed for 3300 volts, rewired for 1500 volts, running on 600 volts at IRM. It takes quite a few notches to get it moving!
No chance to converse. Gear work good.
Why he doesn't use the field weakening?
I don't think it would be necessary when running light on low speeds or switching around the yard. With some cars, however...
I'd use it just because of so much FUN.
What kind of horn is that?
Idk
E2
It's a Leslie A125.
WABCO E2
Pneumatic
Where's this place at
E.M.F Fla
The Illinois Railway Museum in Union, Illinois.
how old is little joe any way ?
+christopher coleman Built 1949
SparkDalmatian wow if this engine could talk what a story it would tdll
It thought all the Liitle Joes were scraped.
Surprisingly enough, there are a few Little Joes out there that have been preserved besides the 803. From what I've researched; there's one in the Milwaukee Road scheme on display in Montana, another in the South Shore scheme at the Lake Shore Railway Historical Museum in Pennsylvania, and 3 more in different museums throughout Brazil. 803 is the only Little Joe in operational condition but it's probably not going to be run that much on the IRM. Thank you very much for the feedback and have a good day.
You're most very welcome :)
is this the only little Joe that's operational
James Willson there's one in deer lodge mt and box cab in Harlowton mt they should make a excursion train from Haugen to avery of st Paul pass put one of these back in service be very profitable
Trucker Erik JOURNEY'S I think they should bring back the Olympian Hiawatha, put this locomotive at the head, put one of those “fishbowl” observation cars at the back, and build some tracks and catenary on the Ponderosa, and WHAT AN EXCURSION RIDE THAT WOULD BE!!!! Serve only the best steaks in the dining car and you would have the HOSS CARTWRIGHT special!!!!
be happy with what you are
I saw a GP50 :D
It was pretty dumb of the Milwaukee road to remove electrification
Notch 8 must be fast
Restore the cab. Its looks likes its been under the sea all rusted inside
that's an old f unit converted over to all electric. the engine has been taken out.
Bruh it's a little joe not an f unit
To be more precise, it is a General Electric locomotive that was one of 20 built for the Soviet Union in 1949. Then the Cold War broke out, they were ultimately divided among different railways--including our Milwaukee Road, which bought 12 of them. In the late fifties, the Milwaukee Road had theirs converted to run with diesel locomotives--but the electrics had to be the lead engines. They were ultimately retired in 1974.
+John Tapp yup
No. it was built by G.E as an electric locomotive. . Yes it looks like 2 F units back to back. It has the same wheel arrangement as U.P Challenger 3985 being 4-6-6-4, but with electrics its, 2-C+C2
strobx1. Actually it's a 2D-D2, meaning 2 bogies of 2 leading or unpowered axles and 4 powered axles. The Great Northern's huge W1 class used the same bogie arrangement but with all axles powered! BD-DB, or as we would say in England, Bo-Do-Do-Bo. A number indicates unpowered axles, as in the US, but C or B would indicate 3 or 2 axles powered by a common drive as in a mechanical or hydraulic transmission. As in the UKs Western or Warship classes. Greetings from GB.
I would like to see the engine instead of the guy notching back and forth
What engine?
@@thatoneguy611 hes reffering to the lil joe, why are you confused?
Эти машины должны били работать на Урале жаль они до нас так и не доплыли....
How can you not love this train. Unless you are a communist
...these motors WERE built for soviet union but not delivered...