And any responsible and professional pilot would have done the same break out the credit card get yourself a hotel room some warm coffee and a meal wake up tomorrow when it's bright and sunny why even risk it, especially when the locals who were familiar with the weather and the airport told him not to go but he was bound and determined and he got what he asked for.
@TRIPLEWHOPPER……Then, you go home the next day. I would sleep there at the terminal if I had to. That looks terrifying. I’m uneasy even driving my car in the snow.
Me and my family were flying out of Sioux falls as this plane crashed. I was already freaked out about flying in that bad of snow and I saw this door as I was boarding. Not a fun flight
The following events transpired based on the recorder: 12:14:26 p.m. - the recording begins12:17:27 p.m. - a passenger says a prayer asking for protection during the flight12:19:02 p.m. - the engine starts12:22:29 p.m. - Chamberlain airport employee communicates weather conditions and other information to pilotBetween 12:23:54 p.m. - 12:29 p.m. - communication continues between pilot and airport employee12:29:34 p.m. - airport employee says ‘it don’t look good to me. I don’t know what you guys are thinkin’12:29:37 p.m. - pilot asks ‘is the runway in good condition?’ Airport employee responds, ‘I would say I can hardly keep up.’12:29:47 p.m. - pilot responds ‘uh we’re gonna be just fine.’12:29:54 p.m. - airport employee says ‘the runway is not clear’ followed by ‘you guys are crazy. I got berms on this thing. I gotta get the snow outta here’ and ‘that don’t look good to me.’12:30:32 p.m. - pilot responds ‘I think we’re gonna be just fine’12:31:59 p.m. - takeoff begins12:32:29 p.m. - stall warning sounds12:33:01 p.m. - sounds “similar to impact” are heard12:33:03 p.m. - recording ends
"God helps those who help themselves?" The Bible doesn't say that. Benjamin Franklin said that. But you are correct when saying they had no business putting a child onboard.
God must be a sadist if he could prevent this stuff and does nothing. Babies are born with cleft lips and spina bifida and he does what? Does he cause it? Does he do nothing?
Damn, you just see it pitch up like mad just before it hits the clouds. In a time were we have so much information and know so much about the effects of icing, and still this kind of bad decisionmaking. Let's hope this one will prevent others from doing the same.
I thought that that t-tail would be hard to get that ice off of. They should have used warm de-icer until ALL ice is off ALL flight surfaces. You NEVER count on any snow or ice to ever come off on it's own.
His level of attack was at 14-15 percent and should have been 7-9. The stall warning / stick shaker would have stopped if he didn't keep pulling up after the rotate. He should have never been flying in those conditions, and with that many souls on board, I can't imagine why he did. Hind-site doesn't bring them back. RIP.
God does NOT say he answers ALL prayers.. God says pray for his own will to be done.. then you pray for yourself and others, but first and foremost we pray for God and his will to be done.. and Gods plan must have been for this plane to go down.. because we can not pray and change a Gods mind.. Gods plan was made even before creation.. so when we pray.. we suppose to prat with faith that Gods will is to do such n such.. praying that God's will was to keep the plane in air.. we can only pray with full faith..
got to say thats pretty fricking dumb. why would god need you to pray that his will be done? besides thats not what the bible says. does the bible lie? Matthew 18:19 In-Context 19 "And I tell you more: whenever two of you on earth agree about anything you pray for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three come together in my name, I am there with them."
@@vhehn no, it's not dumb.. I agree with all the scripture you just shown here.. but did you really not know this??.. God does NOT NEED, us, to do anything.. but yes we are suppose to ask Gods will to be done.. Gods will to be done over your own.. and yes we suppose to pray for our own needs or wants and others.. but, tell me why you wouldn't ask Gods will to be done for??.. according to the bible we should.. does Matthew 6.10 ring a bell.. we are suppose to pray Gods will be done on earth as it is in heaven.. because it's definitely evil here on earth my brother.. oh and no pun in my reply, I'm only holding a great Convo about the lord and nothing wrong with that.. I'm all ears as well to here your thoughts.. God bless ya..
Aircraft cannot fly with ice on the leading edge of the wing structure...PERIOD! It disrupts induced lift. Every student pilot know that. I feel so sorry for passengers that simply don't know the dynamics of flight ( not that they're supposed to ) and put their trust in a pilot that is supposed to know better! God rest their souls man! Real sad.
Judging by what I saw in this video, it appears that they may have been able to make it okay if the pilot had not tried to climb so steeply. He came off the ground and appeared to be in a somewhat normal climb until disappearing from view. So the airplane WAS flying for a time. If the pilot had lowered the nose slightly and allowed the airspeed to build to a much higher speed (assuming a diverse departure area...), they very well may have been able to stay in the air. But with that much deformity of the airflow around the wings and tail caused by the ice, the slow speed was insufficient to maintain lift and control. In a situation like this one, you cannot mindlessly rotate at the normal takeoff speed and expect normal performance. You must gain excess speed then raise the nose slightly and let the airplane fly itself off the ground when it is ready to fly - if it will ever BE ready to fly... With ice and snow on the airplane it may never be ready to fly.
There was likely hilly terrain in the area and with virtually no visibility, a steep climb was likely not optional. Stalling due to icing was not optional either. What was optional was not flying at all.
Flying home from a hunting trip in a PC-12. Happened in NC, too. Not the PC-12's fault...but...dont accept rides from pilots of PC12s after hunting trips.
Honestly the passengers were heard praying. It's extremely common for the religious to replace logic, reason, and reality, with prayer and presumption they call faith. If your religion requires or inspires you to be or to play stupid then you don't have faith. You are deluded. May I introduce you to organized Christianity throughout America.
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I've got 6400 hours on type and that decision to take off was a very bad idea....
Praying does not save you. Common sense does.
If I saw those conditions as a passenger I would have refused and would have stayed till the weather was better.
And any responsible and professional pilot would have done the same break out the credit card get yourself a hotel room some warm coffee and a meal wake up tomorrow when it's bright and sunny why even risk it, especially when the locals who were familiar with the weather and the airport told him not to go but he was bound and determined and he got what he asked for.
That plane was your flight home. If you stay you dont have a ride home.
@TRIPLEWHOPPER……Then, you go home the next day. I would sleep there at the terminal if I had to. That looks terrifying. I’m uneasy even driving my car in the snow.
You go with what feels right for you at the time and not what the pilot thinks is right.
Me and my family were flying out of Sioux falls as this plane crashed. I was already freaked out about flying in that bad of snow and I saw this door as I was boarding. Not a fun flight
The following events transpired based on the recorder:
12:14:26 p.m. - the recording begins12:17:27 p.m. - a passenger says a prayer asking for protection during the flight12:19:02 p.m. - the engine starts12:22:29 p.m. - Chamberlain airport employee communicates weather conditions and other information to pilotBetween 12:23:54 p.m. - 12:29 p.m. - communication continues between pilot and airport employee12:29:34 p.m. - airport employee says ‘it don’t look good to me. I don’t know what you guys are thinkin’12:29:37 p.m. - pilot asks ‘is the runway in good condition?’ Airport employee responds, ‘I would say I can hardly keep up.’12:29:47 p.m. - pilot responds ‘uh we’re gonna be just fine.’12:29:54 p.m. - airport employee says ‘the runway is not clear’ followed by ‘you guys are crazy. I got berms on this thing. I gotta get the snow outta here’ and ‘that don’t look good to me.’12:30:32 p.m. - pilot responds ‘I think we’re gonna be just fine’12:31:59 p.m. - takeoff begins12:32:29 p.m. - stall warning sounds12:33:01 p.m. - sounds “similar to impact” are heard12:33:03 p.m. - recording ends
God helps those who help themselves. They had no business putting a child on that plane in those weather conditions. Unforgivable.
"God helps those who help themselves?" The Bible doesn't say that. Benjamin Franklin said that. But you are correct when saying they had no business putting a child onboard.
God must be a sadist if he could prevent this stuff and does nothing. Babies are born with cleft lips and spina bifida and he does what? Does he cause it? Does he do nothing?
God didn’t help anyone on that plane. Please stop with the god stuff.
When you are a pilot you have the lives of innocents in your hands, They are trusting you wih their lives. Never forget that
I bet the rest of the ice came off when it hit the ground at 300 mph...
@@cecilfoxhound3274 Yeah looks like the fuselage went another 50 -60 feet or so before landing again.
Wow good one. We got a comedian in the chat
Ridiculous
If Kobe’s pilot had a twin brother
Pilot is a lot like pitchers: They could be getting beat up badly, but you ask them if they are ok, and the answer is always "I'm fine!".
Damn, you just see it pitch up like mad just before it hits the clouds. In a time were we have so much information and know so much about the effects of icing, and still this kind of bad decisionmaking.
Let's hope this one will prevent others from doing the same.
Clouds? Uhhh..no.
Why didn’t they de ice before takeoff? Wouldn’t have de icing been necessary and helped avoid the crash?
They spent 3 hours trying to de ice before giving up.
If the de iceing system failed then the aircraft was not flight worthy and should never have been certified as such.
The pilot was 100% at fault.
I thought that that t-tail would be hard to get that ice off of. They should have used warm de-icer until ALL ice is off ALL flight surfaces. You NEVER count on any snow or ice to ever come off on it's own.
He didn't get it because he only had a 7' ladder.
His level of attack was at 14-15 percent and should have been 7-9. The stall warning / stick shaker would have stopped if he didn't keep pulling up after the rotate. He should have never been flying in those conditions, and with that many souls on board, I can't imagine why he did. Hind-site doesn't bring them back. RIP.
The pilots must have felt that the PC12 was invincible.
they prayed. wtf. lol.
Mormons.
God does NOT say he answers ALL prayers.. God says pray for his own will to be done.. then you pray for yourself and others, but first and foremost we pray for God and his will to be done.. and Gods plan must have been for this plane to go down.. because we can not pray and change a Gods mind.. Gods plan was made even before creation.. so when we pray.. we suppose to prat with faith that Gods will is to do such n such.. praying that God's will was to keep the plane in air.. we can only pray with full faith..
got to say thats pretty fricking dumb. why would god need you to pray that his will be done? besides thats not what the bible says. does the bible lie? Matthew 18:19 In-Context
19 "And I tell you more: whenever two of you on earth agree about anything you pray for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three come together in my name, I am there with them."
@@vhehn no, it's not dumb.. I agree with all the scripture you just shown here.. but did you really not know this??.. God does NOT NEED, us, to do anything.. but yes we are suppose to ask Gods will to be done.. Gods will to be done over your own.. and yes we suppose to pray for our own needs or wants and others.. but, tell me why you wouldn't ask Gods will to be done for??.. according to the bible we should.. does Matthew 6.10 ring a bell.. we are suppose to pray Gods will be done on earth as it is in heaven.. because it's definitely evil here on earth my brother.. oh and no pun in my reply, I'm only holding a great Convo about the lord and nothing wrong with that.. I'm all ears as well to here your thoughts.. God bless ya..
@@jhopkins213take out the second m 😅
Aircraft cannot fly with ice on the leading edge of the wing structure...PERIOD! It disrupts induced lift. Every student pilot know that. I feel so sorry for passengers that simply don't know the dynamics of flight ( not that they're supposed to ) and put their trust in a pilot that is supposed to know better! God rest their souls man! Real sad.
I hear you. Still the same aerodynamic principle.
Judging by what I saw in this video, it appears that they may have been able to make it okay if the pilot had not tried to climb so steeply. He came off the ground and appeared to be in a somewhat normal climb until disappearing from view. So the airplane WAS flying for a time. If the pilot had lowered the nose slightly and allowed the airspeed to build to a much higher speed (assuming a diverse departure area...), they very well may have been able to stay in the air. But with that much deformity of the airflow around the wings and tail caused by the ice, the slow speed was insufficient to maintain lift and control. In a situation like this one, you cannot mindlessly rotate at the normal takeoff speed and expect normal performance. You must gain excess speed then raise the nose slightly and let the airplane fly itself off the ground when it is ready to fly - if it will ever BE ready to fly... With ice and snow on the airplane it may never be ready to fly.
Is it normal for a plane to turn left like that as soon as it leaves the ground?
His horizontal stab had over 2 inches of Ice built up on it. That alone would really mess things up.
There was likely hilly terrain in the area and with virtually no visibility, a steep climb was likely not optional. Stalling due to icing was not optional either. What was optional was not flying at all.
They would have made IT, with a decision to go back to the hotel and try the next day with proper de-ice.
I think of Air Florida 90 when I see this.
yep.
Worst cast of “get-home-itis” I’ve ever seen. Sad.
The pilot should have never been allowed a license. Horrible horrible choices made.
I just don't understand why ANYONE would take off in weather like this when you have your whole family with you and can easily stay another night...
Why the he'll would you even try to fly into a snowstorm like that
because the pilot said he had to get home...
Will he now dead
You can't even see anything must have been desperate to get home
WHEN YOU PRAY BEFORE TAKE OFF IN THOSE CONDITIONS , RED FLAGS
"Not so great weather"...ive got a not so great inoperable tumor too
THINK WHAT ICE FORMING ON THE WINGS DOES
Lesson learned....EVEN MONEY DOSENT EXEMPT YOU!
Flying home from a hunting trip in a PC-12. Happened in NC, too. Not the PC-12's fault...but...dont accept rides from pilots of PC12s after hunting trips.
GOD WORKS IN HIS TIME
? ICE WOULD COME OFF DURING TAKE OFF? ICE FORMS IN THE AIR WHILE FLYING!
God equips you with common sense. There are some however, that never use that option.
There are no gods, none
More money than skills kills again....
How'd those prayers work out? What a buffoon to take off in that weather.
Thoughtless prayers fail again
Honestly the passengers were heard praying. It's extremely common for the religious to replace logic, reason, and reality, with prayer and presumption they call faith. If your religion requires or inspires you to be or to play stupid then you don't have faith. You are deluded. May I introduce you to organized Christianity throughout America.
My god is google😊
omg … just found this site. They prayed for help flying in a snowstorm when they were advised not to fly at all?? Gd can’t fix stupid
Pilot needs to be in prison if he survived.
Your fake god said ummmmm no, you missed a tithe once 😮😅