@@blastzd dendro traveler is really good so people expect hydro, pyro and cryo traveler to be at least like dendro traveller if not better and frm the looks of the leaks, hydro traveler is trash till hoyo decides some major changes.
@@guillermocervisalmeron2209I'm pretty sure Dehya will become quite needed in Fountaine and that she was designed specifically with Fountaine in mind.
@@annanas9122The thing is, Dehya could be usable if you got her cons but HMC is still trash even if you got his cons. The new best three star character we ever got.
I actually have a C3 Raiden and C3 Nahida for this very thing. Throw in Kuki for constant healing and that's my plan. I think his kit looks great and the scaling is good.
It's unfortunate but also predictable that Mihoyo would be giving bare minimum thought or effort into the Traveler's kit, because at the end of the day their goal is to sell new characters to players, and having an actually good MC might detract from that, at least that's probably what they're thinking. Hell, I even think that Dendro Traveler only ended up decent and functional as an accident, not by design or intent.
This type of thinking is so wrong man, I would still pull for alhaitham even if dendro MC was cracked, it’s almost like people pull for design and the feel of the character. I low key get angry mihoyo for gimping the MC, makes me not want to care about the story
No, Dendro itself is really good. Plus, they wanted people to be in love with Dendro, so that they could sell all the Dendro characters they released in the Sumeru arc. It was a lot btw. Dendro units now outnumber Geo units which is baffling. I am afraid Navia is gonna end up being lackluster.
@@alguem331-c5o so explain me why Hoyo do this to MC? Are they just straight up hate them or what? Don't they understand that it won't hurt their profit anyhow if they will make MC good?
Of course it was an ‘accident’ because it had an entire new element with dendro and effectively a fresh batch of units it had to be gacha for to make use of said new mechanics. Ultimately sumeru was more of a hype up a new mechanic. As far as my brain that cares little on actually playing, Fontaine is being when they finally fking revamping the game for real, such as UI improvements, ain’t gonna rein people like me back into playing when Punishing gray raven does a better job by giving QoLs every version then taking nearly 3 years for something actual. Hydro’land is really gonna be just more dendro abuse really since unless they make other things more broken, people are likely just to dendro spam then trying new stuff. Only way traveler is gonna be ‘worthwhile’ is if they scrap the separate element gag and let you mix skills, make abilities flexible and none of this specific unit only bull crap and just let traveler have the unique gimmick to solo react elements, get more skills then just one skill and burst like others and let traveler open up team comps with 5 elements as a result. Until miho’verse introduces a 6 star system to ‘evolve’ characters, I can’t expect them to ever make traveler viable even for only a few months till other units get them and then we have childe rocking hydro AND electro and Wanderer rocking anemo AND electro together for story reasons and just flip off the concept of delusions and make a ‘good’ version to barf a bunch of dual elements on other characters and then eventually power creep it with triple element chars to likely flip off anemo and geo with a unit that runs both those elements and another element.
@@olgabutorina4156because it’s standard practice to make the ‘free’ units insanely bad to force players into getting gacha units to replace them It’s just mihoyo is insanely greedy at it since none of the free chars in Genshin and even honkai impact 3rd compare to how busted some are with the latter even if all sp units are ‘farmable’ demand a full set of gacha gear to function in most cases. If this was a different game like Dragalia lost was or Another Eden they either included ways to ‘evolve’ older units into some really strong stuff or the latter, more free units that are rather strong and creative comp design can even let you take down super bosses in that game even with a ‘free unit party’. Ultimately, mihoyo is first and fore’most a game that shovels gacha at break neck speed and constantly spams advertisements to a noxious get as many spenders on board, likely thru social peer pressure then actually sell a good freaking game Because if you dig around for other mobile games, you can find a lot of fun titles that give ALOT to even free to play players, like punishing gray raven. Which makes me wanna spend on that game because it is actually fun compared to what a lot of miho’verse games demand to even ‘function’ in said games.
Honestly, I think the weird aim mechanic was designed specifically with puzzles in mind. There's no easily accessible hydro bow character since both are 5 stars, and there may be hydro-based puzzles in Fontaine that require a bow. It's otherwise so goofy, and I can't see why else they'd go in this direction.
That's what I thought too Also Hydro MC will be available for new players so they can use him instead of Barbara... But still... They could make things better 😢
No, you be real. I main Traveler since AR 1 and even now at AR 60 DMC sucks and the reason you think it`s "accident" is because Collei sucks EVEN MORE Dendro has freaking 80 cost and generates the same amount of particles as Faruzan (look at her energy needs) And also Xiangling > Hu Tao C0 so it's not a mistake and that does not stop Hoyo from getting people to pull
I think that his hold e isnt made for combat situations, but for higher puzzles. Thanks to its range mihoyo wont have to realese a free hydro bow for the player to do fontaine enviremental puzzles on for example cliffs.
Well, unlike dendro, it's not as if we haven't an abundance of good hydro support characters already. If you look at it positively, you don't need to spend a single skillbook or crown to level hydro traveller's talents, nor do you need to rush collecting 300 hydroculus to get his c6. And it's not like all of us are skipping hydro archon's banner. Thanks Mihoyo, makes my decisionmaking that much easier
DMC is till useable despite all the Dendro characters that came after. The same cannot be said of HMC's current state. It's too be expected though, DMC is a bit of an outlier among the travellers
@@tonydai782 DMC is an outlier because like all Dendro units they are immediately good due to dendro reactions being way too strong and easy to build for
@@Merchuyley I mean, even if they just replaced Hydro MC's kit with a direct one-to-one of Dendro MC's it'd be much better. The fact that DMC's a1 and their cons are catered for a support playstyle instead of whatever the heck they did with HMC also greatly impact this.
That's really unfortunate. I understand the dev want to sell limited 5-stars, But that shouldn't lead to them making so weak a MC who is vital to the story of the game, anyways -- canonically the traveler is US in game - There are certain fights we can ONLY use the traveler in. If they're worried about their limited character sales, then how about At least build a 5-star Gacha weapon specifically for the Hydro MC to solve all the problems they made for it and make their combat talents excel, at least in terms of raw power per attack?
It’s crazy bc in Honkai Star Rail, the Mc is actually super good. I don’t understand why they are dropping the ball with Hydro MC in Genshin. I don’t know why the Genshin team makes decisions like this!
I thought they decided to start making the traveler function like a useful 4 star since sumeru, but they ended up making another super niche one that barely even work. Guess I'll just lower my standard for pyro and cryo traveler
@@ba_sic That was a case of having it function as a dendro unit, where the name of the game is to put out damn fields or application systems to EZ seed spam for the bombs. If they ever were to revamp the other elements for Traveler, then Anemo needs to have a more controlled C.C. system then its terrible `blow enemies away` crap. Geo needs to act more on shield application then its terrible platform gimmick on the first and the latter just being a stupid AoE applier that should of been the E.skill that could recharge the burst which could of had a 3 (4 charge on constellation) charge system that could generate shields and act as the platform and would just regenerate slowly but alot faster on geo applying even off field and standard methods. Meanwhile Electro only got a `pass` because that was the god damn energy battery shenigan and since the name of the game is just spam E.skills and Bursts non-stop, batteries were just the norm abuse back then. Traveler could have every one of its skills to include a proper `active` skill and the burst would act as a `persist field skills` for constantly applying the element just like dendro does and that would work But at that point it would be way too basic and they just need to god damn let traveler multi-equip elements and can select between 2 E.skills and 1 burst for a customizable traveler on its mechanics. Hell just let traveler`s constellations stack with each other so as the regions open up he gets `naturally stronger` in raw stats with each element to do a better job signifying the traveler`s power and also add in elements of his original `light sword and light wings` as part of his kit to signify them alot better. Seriously does anyone even fking remember the `Void Tuna knock off` or even the actual dang main story anymore with how bad they handle the story in general? The game is literally supported more by memes and shite posts then the actual game itself.
Let alone HMC, as long as they're still deathly afraid to break through Xingqiu ceiling I don't think even Hydro Archon's kit is going to be meta defining. Sure she might open up new team comp possibilites like Nilou but it's not gonna be like how Nahida is to Dendro.
I think it would be great for the hydro archon if her kit isn't made to compete with Xingqiu's playstyle and rather open up a new meta-defining playstyle which will be equally as valid to build and play for overall. Perhaps with more focus on consistent AoE application and damage would be the key.
@@aritra2116 gosh no I dont want a 3rd Xingqiu. I want her to be better. Let her have her own niche but let her niche be better than any teams Xingqiu could fit in. And let her be the only character that can fill that role. Xingqiu is hella stacked right now and some consider him the best unit in game so breaking the Xingqiu ceiling is gonna be hard but a necessary step for hydro archon. If not then shes gonna be the most embarassing archon to date. Even Venti lost to a fellow 5 star. She would be losing to a 4 star thats been in game since launch lol
@@ra6765Gosh, now that you say it, I am afraid they are not going to make her any better than Xingqu. I was hoping we'll get a AoE Xingqu with her but knowing Hoyo, they really like pretending that their 4 star characters like Bennett and Xingqu aren't overpowered cause their utility levels are a mistake on their part.
@ra6765 I never said I wanted her to be a 3rd Xingqiu. Read carefully. The fact of the matter is still that I am sure that they would not and should not make her something as a Xingqiu competitor because that would really make her not only unoriginal, but have to play second fiddle to Xingqiu yet again. No where have I disagreed with your original statement.
Why does mihoyo always have to be MC bad? In lore, the Traveler is one of the most powerful and I want to see that in gameplay too. Uhh, this hurts my feelings 😔
@@nergistozan5920But Dendro MC's kit does few things better than other dendro chara. best offield dendro applicator after Nahida and has decent buffing ability.
Hydro traveler really hurts more after dendro traveler being so good, and if you play HSR, the mc is actually really good gameplay wise so it really sucks to see Genshin going down the route of terrible kits for the MC.
This is my omega copium, when we get to khaenriah traveler will have the ability to mix and match elements or switch between them freely so in order to avoid making traveler way too op in the future theyre making the individual pieces weaker now before traveler gets the huge glow up way down the line... at least this is what im telling myself to justify traveler being so shit for the most part
Traveler should of had this back in Liyue since they already god damn showed the capability to use multiple elements story-wise and they constantly hint at it a few times in other story cutscenes too. Thars a difference between a character HAVING an ability and then just trolling it by making it seem like they have it but never actually reflect it in gameplay. If i could hold the entire mihoyo-dev team at gunpoint with a bomb, i would force them to revamp traveler ASAP to include the ability to mix elements. let them use 2 E.skills, 1 E.burst similar to how Final Fantasy 16 handled Eikonic abilities, shares all constellations and talent levels between the elements and using the E.skill would show them using a manifestation of thar `light sword` while using the E.Burst would have them temporarily manifest the light wings. For an extra flavor, after using enough of those skills they could `unleash` a blessing that could just buff elemental skills for the entire team for a sizable amount of time so he actually freaking stands out and the traveler`s abilities to use multiple elements could reflect on also them being that so called catalyst to stir other nations to have stuff get rolling.
Honestly I think he's just gonna get a new element If he's gonna be the only one with that element or not I dunno, but their original power was not any of the elements and I don't think Visions could give that power to people...maybe the heavenly principles if they become playable would have the same element
Hydro trav seems to be really essential in overworld. Especially underwater since they have special interactions and abilities there. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
Problem of the MC is that... you need to farm new weapon, new artifacts and talent mats each time you switch element. And I fear you will have to use it for the new underwater content, so skipping hydro won't be an option...
The new weapon only goes into place for dendro atm. You either need favonius or an EM weapon. For anemo geo electro and hydro u want more dps based stats :/
I still mad asf how the team just put stupid aah goofy ahh “ATK main stat” on the 4* craft-able Fontaine sword when we already have that type of sword for 4262189 times already and it could have been HP main stat instead…
Swear to god they gonna have hydro puzzles and hydro pillars at high places to forced us using hydro traveller, since many (including me) don't have yelan, to activate them from afar (and they gonna rerun yelan in 4.0, coincidence? I think not). There goes 1 slot in the team and losing access to dendro mc when travelling fontaine.
lol that's genius also yelan by herself is op for open world with the running, maybe they also giving you lynette with a similar skill too to bait you more, as I think unlike yelan she doesn't recover stamina while running in skill
I feel you brushed off the second part of C4; the shield refresehes to its max HP every 2 seconds, so you it kind of self refreshes itself, letting you tank more than initally thought. I think Hydro MC has the chance to be at least fun/good if he just had HP scalings for damage numbers
Yeah but it doesn't change that the shield wouldn't survive in abyss, would need zhongli or someone to help probably unless freeze or something, could be fun for hyperbloom with nahida and raiden
They got away with Nilou restrictive kit. They got away with Dehya. They got away with Baizhu. Dont understand why people expect good kits from Hoyoverse anymore.
Nilou's kit is good because her niche (bloom) is actually great and she herself needs low investment (no need for weapon or talents, just stack hp on artifacts). A F2P Nilou team consisting of Nilou, DMC, Barbara/Yaoyao, and Xingqiu is great. I do agree about the other two tho.
Nah, Puzzles can be hand crafted for Hydro-travelers squirtgun skill and burst. at the same time, Pneuma and Ousia gimmicks might push you to Hydro MC unless you roll Linney
I'm sad that these 'micromanagement' abilities aren't regarded as good; they seem they could offer more complex gameplay for better rewards (higher damage, energy, etc.) But they always end up being too clunky for too little of a reward
HP drain on our traveler is insane. Id expect that mechanic from like Quantum/Abyssal power burst or E skill but for hydro? The healing element SPECIFICALLY hurts us? Insane.
Whenever it comes to story, world or archon quests I always main the Traveller as the "Traveller" represents "us" in the story. Hence, regardless of how bad their kit may be I'll still use the Traveller. I plan on bringing her with Nahida, Raiden and Zhongli. They would make the Traveller a powerful sniper and deal good damage. Dendro Traveller was so far the best. And I found out that as along as you focus on energy recharge and elemental mastery, as well as level up the talents, Traveller will be good support no matter if she is geo, anemo or even electro. P.S: I agree with Hydro Traveller being a really bad one compare to Dendro.
Yes I thought the same team probably it works and could be funny, until hydro archon comes, and well its hard to compare to dendro as he has the best kit but also the easiest element where everyone is op with not that much build
I'm kind of mad, as I really lack a hydro character (only started 2 months ago and only got c0 barbara and c0 candice) to build my hyperbloom team. I really hoped I could finally use the traveller for something useful ....
I mean he can probably work for hyperbloom team as driver, but without shield yeah.. probably barbara can do a better job just normal attacking with healer set
Hmn so I already have a team for this, I don’t think hydro traveler is gonna be meta but if you pair them with ayaka venti and candace that team seems pretty stable also sacrificial sword is definitely gonna be absolutely insane. And the reason I added candace is bc of the new set also boosting normal and charged attacks, but you could also just do hydro dmg bonus.
If big if Hoyo were to change something for HMC it would be good if they make the dewdrop bigger like the same as the Hydro T rex fungus or Hydro Abyss mage projectile and has small Aoe would be nice l because at the moment it looks lack luster and this also includes the torrent surge because looking at the leaks the heavy damage torrent surge is a single target projectile it should be able to hit multiple targets it can be as big as the ones Hydro Lectors has, and as for the cooldown there needs to be separate CD for the Press and Hold mode because cmon waiting for 10 seconds because you pressed instead of hold is just not good. Next is the Elemental Burst should never be able to clip through bigger targets like ruin machines and the robots in Fontaine it can pass through Smaller mobs is good but should never pass through big mobs like bosses. Another thing is that the HMC should be able to move while in hold mode like how bow users can walk while in aim mode. And last is that the Dewdrop bullets and the Bubble should be able to Crit to supplement their low damage.
People are coping that hydro mc will get better with future changes, it’s been years and electro mc is still hot garbage with no change on the horizon, same with the future elements
I guess we were all hoping hoyo would give us a traveler around DMC power level now since they are now 5/7 of the way through getting power from the archons. Will be interesting to see how they actually shake out as since if we do need to use them in the open world for exploration then they had better be somewhere near useful.
I was expecting a healer, like better than barbara but of course weaker than kokomi, but guess we got budget ayato that just will wait for hydro archon powercreep, at least in honkai star rail they don't mind switching the role of the mc going from dps to tank and some day buffer healer debuffer etc
The one thing that hydro traveler has going for them is their hydro is pneuma aligned. Supposedly certain enemies will need the proper aligned damage between pneuma and Ouisa to stun them. Since there are rumors the wind magician will be a freebie and we know shes ouisa aligned on her damage, its very possible traveler will be our only budget pneuma unit for a bit so we are incentivized to use traveler or pull new fontaine units that are pneuma aligned.
for onfield hydro...welp kokomi/barbara exists and without conditions... for off field...yelan/xingqiu exists... nahida/raiden/fischl are the only ones i think can work with a onfield hydro mc...
As someone who enjoys using the traveler whenever I can this is easily by far the most disappointing version especially because they could’ve taken hydro MC in SO MANY different directions but instead they’re going with an awkward on-fielder that really doesn’t really offer much to a team. I’d even argue that they look like they might be worse than Candace, Dehya, and Dori because those ones are at least workable. I just don’t see any team, situation, or reason to use Hydro MC especially when Barbara can likely fill the role just as well if not better.
Can definitely agree, DMC was a breath of fresh air and then we get this... Barbara can apply way more hydro in the time it takes to shoot that goofy ahh water gun 😂 (perks of being a catalyst user ig)
Huh.. Suddenly Baizhu and characters like him who provide resistance to interruption don't seem as bad as people say... It's almost as if Hoyoverse does this every time. On a serious note, for better or worse the Traveler is free and extremely easy to level up, so it's not the worst thing. Just have to wait for release to decide if it's actually decent or not
if you mean the likes of baizhu and dehya, they would still be worse in that case than just....using a full shield. especially dehya, since baizhu actually heals. but IR and mitigation as they provide it is always gonna be worse than full shielding or just face tanking with healing
@@silverYolo yeah I meant just Baizhu since I can't justify Dehya's kit. I'm not bashing it, she's very much a poorly implemented support. But yeah you make a valid point about Baizhu. I do think his healing shield might work depending on the rate at which MC (or anyone really) loses hp
The first time I saw the kit before looking at cooldown and stats, I already knew it was clunky. His Burst still got some minor off field potential but his skill doesn't synergy with other skills to create reactions and take too much field time. If I'm force to build them based on the character we have and limited knowledge I'm aware of, I would think Hydro MC, Candace, Xiangling and Bennett - to create a vape team. I'm thinking maybe Hydro MC, Rosaria, Diona and a VV shredder could work too but that would require Hydro MC to be on 4pc Blizard to take advantage of cryo resonance and free,e
Just for information, as a theorycrafter I would argue that this 5k max (and you wont reach 5k anyway because you want to stack ATK and CRIT, even in double hydro scenario I don't think many of us will have way more than 20k HP)... so anyway this 5k, I think it's not 5k flat because so far Genshin never works that way. If it says 5k it's 5k before your multipliers. It means it can becomes 5000*1.616*2.15*0.5*0.9= 2 980 hydro damage if you crit with 115% crit damage. Ofc it can be boosted with VV or Kazuha buff or Zhongli shield, etc.
the four 4.0 characters seem to actively reject the off-field stacking gameplay, and instead want to just pop their on-field combo and move on. The biggest contrarian to this seem to be Lynette, and just because she gives some atk to the party Traveller specifically is just an Ayato lite, with less damage, AoE radius and burst duration, but with some heals attached.
It's a shame that every other traveler after the geo one (if i saw correctly) doesn't have an "elemental" attack at the end (when you use geo and anemo traveler after doing the full set of attacks for anemo it shoots an anemo blade and for geo it breaks a rock or something similar, and if you are lucky to hit with those they deal elemental damage) (i noticed this while playing in a friend's world)
@@Xochi_Mictlan6969 yeah but if someone likes hydro traveler then there can be options right. I did read his constellations give him shields and heals. Idk what the damage numbers are though but it’s definetly possible to make it work.
@@artaleasham4105 Yeah but at that point you could try using driver barbara so you can use whichever sub dps that out scales hydro mc, I was thinking about trying him in hyperbloom but the same thing could be said
HMC is really missing something in burst. The skill only needs no ICD or standard for minimum, to make the stationary-locked finger gun worthwhile and capable of sniperbloom. The burst is missing a lot of something. Burst is expensive and short, with meh hit rate. It could either use healing when active character is inside it, or its trajectory is orbital or elliptical, or just follows the traveler like its Bongo Head inspired. I think even Xiangling-behaving burst would be bakanced enough for HMC to have. It has ICD, half the uptime, and slower movement, so it balances itself out. But rn, HMC is in a sad state that c Is likely enforced as overworld exploration guide, using pneuma, and capable of long range monument activation. I can alreasy see Fontaine as an archery-reliant puzzle fest, with Fantasyaldn 3.8 puzzles as a precedent towards the puzzle landscape.
It just All depends no of Hits on skill/burst because let's be real out of Xinque all the other Best Hydro Character are 5 stars.he also heals at C6 so he already has way more value than other Traveler except Dendro
idk man he seems worse than barbara. yeah barbara has no source of aoe app outside of maybe the burst. idk if it actually applies hydro. but She's not locked behind an animation.
It’s actually insulting how bad they made hydro traveler, like they're so awful that the only way you could make a kit like this is if you purposely chose to do it. The skill is underwhelming, the burst is terrible, the constellations aren't useful compared to past traveler elements even, and if you've seen gameplay, their animations look so lazy and even reused. Like they didn't even try with the traveler...
Tbh the MC doesn't even have to be good damage wise, just serviceable, having a good kit that makes sense, has a clear goal, with useful passives is enough. I don't get how doing that would discourage people from pulling chars on banners. Edit: if his skill and burst have a decently low hydro application ICD then it could be decent ig
yeah like dendro mc is good not because of damage but because of his supportive capabilities even with all the dendro units out he's probably the 2nd best off field applicator only below nahida.
Well, Travelers kit for every element is designed to be bad, because if it is too good - then what is the point to pull for other characters? So, no surprise here. It would have been more alarming if his kit looks too good - that would mean we are missing something.
what about DMC? people will say "well He gets worse with every new dendro support" he's still the 2nd best off-field dendro applicator in the game. Yaoyao has RNG and ICD problems, Baizhu is too single target oriented, and Kirara just can't do as much dendro application, collie if i remember her app last at a short amount time along with weird icd ticks. i'm not counting Al and Tighnari since they are dpses and not supports. and Nahida.... well she's nahida. there's no need to talk about her.
Then we have free Xiangling, who is better than many event 5* 😂 you can say "but you need to pull for her cons", cone on, Traveler even with cons isn't as good as other 4*, that's just stupid Also HSR has a great MC and it didn't ruin their sales anyhow
One thing that i think can save Hydro Aether burst is: if any enemies hit by the bubble, be it big or small, they will be trapped inside a bubble similar to those created by hydro slimes or hydro mage for a period of time. Then when the bubble pops or expires it'll either deals extra hydro dmg or heal our character or better yet do both.
If traveler siblings permanently elemental infusion no cooldown without high scaling damage potential like 4 star catalyst characters did, then it's worth to play traveler
Guess it could be so broken and make other 5 star characters don't look that good like hu tao ayato raiden, kazuha c6 etc with infusion if free character just has it permanent, imagine if dendro mc had that he would be busted also anemo one, or hydro if he was a healer like he should budget kokomi
The copium in me hopes this kit will synergise with the new regions characters. But the realist thinks dendro traveler was the exception rather than how hoyo was going to treat them going forwards.
So I actually did the math and at max rank, her Skill does 1800% damage. The "Puemna" damage does 70% every 9 seconds, seemingly forever. But wait, there's more. Let's talk about the added damage bonues. Suffusion adds 1.36% of her HP to every bullet. 20k HP is reasonable, meaning it will add 272 damage but this is BEFORE damage bonuses. If you have 200% Crit Damage and 80% Damage Bonus (admittedly a bit on the high end but not impossible), it will ad 1500 to each hit, for 20 hits, meaning it adds an whopping 30k damage. Then there's the talent that essentially add a 5000 flat added bonus damage. If you run that through the damage multipler, that's 27k extra damage. TLDR, her Skill does 60k PLUS 1800% damage PLUS 70% damage every 9 seconds forever. Plus it it can hit the flying drake. As for her Burst, I don't know how many times it hits. I can't defend the orb pick up mechanic though, it's a terribly cluncky mechanic that will just be ignored.
I don't complain for the damage, all of traveler skills (except Electro) deals high damage...HMC dmg is fine but...he can't walk while aiming, that's terrible 😔. U know, just imagine U get slapped by robots while aiming ;)...and the burst won't stop while hitting target :(
Deepwood would be good for Traveler regardless of Hydro being good or not. The only reason it'd be bad on Hydro Traveler, would be because of his on-field characteristics. This is for the fact that Deepwood is a universal set that buffs your Team's Dendro DMG. If you use Hydro Traveler with Dendro units, he can be the Deepwood holder while the rest uses other sets. However, the way that Hydro Traveler is played is against Deepwood.
The second ascension passive shouldnt be as bad as it looks. If it works like thr other flat damage buffs, it will be affected by percentage damage bonuses and crit damage. So the 5k max gets scaled to around 20k with a good build. Still a low number though
If I can make Electro & Anemo Traveler work in Spiral Abyss, I can do the same for Hydro Traveler. I like that they are giving Hydro Traveler an on-field kit this time, but damn. I'm hoping the damage numbers are decent at least, Torrent's tickle damage aside. If the scaling is decent, that water gun might be something nice. I also hope that the HP drain from Suffusion counts as "taking" damage, because then Vourukasha's Glow could very well work.
Light/dark alignment. Fontaine chracters will have additional attack of their alignment that can proc during specific actions. You can use this vs. enemies of the opposite alignment to stun them. Basically like a different axis of elemental weakness.
I main every traveler I have as DPS in overworld. But in hydro traveler, I dont even know how to build a DPS party from here from what we got now. Probably Nymph set will be BiS and just slap 5 star weapon. His skill is just so clunky. Both tap and hold version have 10s CD, and there is probably no reason to use the pew pew mechanics. His burst also worse than ayaka, not stopping while hitting enemies, and its attack per second is worse, probably 2 attacks per seconds. The sourcewater droplet should just be activated without touching into something dropped to the ground. And I guess even electro traveler is better as support since they can charge your active character's energy while providing some electro activation in burst, while hydro traveler only...... heal. DMG wise, the numbers arent so big overall too, geo and dendro traveler DPS is way better. I dont understand why Hoyoverse, at least the Genshin divisiom do this. I thought they learn their lesson in dendro traveler, and HSR has good kit on all its available variants. But suddenly took a U-Turn in hydro traveler.😊
Kokomi is already way more established as an off field Hydro applier + can also help sustain the team, so just go for her. I have a guarantee for her and at 60+ pity already too lol
You did said purely Meta perspective. So I would play the game casually like how it is meant to be. But of course playing with Meta has it fun in its own way, go for it, play how every you like. Just make one that you know you won't regret.
Ultimately, dendro Traveler... of ALL the Traveler variants... is the one that HAD TO BE GOOD Dendro was new to the game and early Sumeru was gonna be awful for returning players if dendro Traveler was junk... meaning no recouping of players lost to the late 2.X low-content patches Hydro Traveler, on the other hand, can afford to be low tier. By Fontaine, most players should have decent or even good hydro options... even if they're free to play The same will likely be true for pyro & cryo Traveler. I don't think we should be expecting another strong Traveler like we got with dendro
Unironically I think Barbara with Sac Frags would be better than Hydro traveler lmfao. Could reset her E or some shit...idk...Trying to think of other hydro units. Mona, Childe, Ayato are all amazing, Ayato esp. for off field hydro application.
@@marcusaurelius4777i have barbara but she is my best healer rn so i cant do that, beside that i only have nilou and candace which i also cant use them with yoimiya either
Having a new on-field hydro applicator could actually work out, as the only other real option is Childe who’s a limited five star and only serves the function of DPS and hydro application. If they were interested in making Hydro Traveller any good, they could give them some support that makes them a viable choice over Childe for teams that want an on-field hydro driver.
@@usmanya5110 Its also limited 5 star, but well you could also argue that barbara can work too as on-field hydro applicator budget kokomi, I was hoping hydro traveller was upgraded barbara but nope, guess he can work as cheap dps hydro driver
@@asoret yeah barbara too and probably even candace is possibly a better driver than HMC. the reason why i said ayato is because he only mentioned childe as the real option as an on-field applicator.
@@asoret if you're talking about he's similiar to hmc than yeah he's sort of similiar to hydro mc. but uhh with a weaker burst and a skill that locks you in place. cause from what i remember with ayato you can still move around even with in his e mode. as for Ayato and Childe: Ayato is more of jack of all trades master of none. but unlike dehya or xinyan he's actually good no matter what. while Childe's more of a true dps unit.
Hydro MC is so disappointingly bad. Like the skill is the most interesting part of their kit but it's still bad. Long CD for both tap and hold, hold doesn't do good damage or even good application. The skill drains your health but the trade off is really minuscule hp damage bonus, like it's really not much for it to drain 4% every shot. All your dewdrop hits won't even be buffed since you'll be at 50% before the skill even ends. The passive allows him to heal a bit, but it really does not heal enough at all, you'll never be at 100% back to get all the hp bonus damage buffs. The other passive doesn't even boost damage by much, it should've been something like dendro traveler where you get higher damage with higher hp for skills and burst. The burst has to be the worst though, it's actually terrible. The hydro traveler burst acts like Anemo mc but worst, it has no CC, no elemental shred, bad application, and passes through constructs like Zhongli Pillar. It doesn't even provide any utility. The overall kit is just terrible, Hoyoverse really needs to make big changes if they ever actually decide to actually buff them. Like I believe they should let you move during the hold skill and have shorter CD, increase his multipliers and hp bonus damage, and reduce the hp cost so all hits get buffed. Make the burst either stationary and have a large AOE or make it act like Ayaka burst. Make the traveler's healing droplets heal more or add some healing regeneration on top of it like Barbara so they can heal back to 100% after skill. And make other passive hp bonus damage for both skills and burst. The constellations are also pretty bad even compared to past traveler elements. C1 is alright, the energy is nice. C2 is okay, if they fix the burst then the speed decrease doesn't really help, I'd add some party heal or some hydro Shred. C4 could've been great, if it actually allowed the traveler to create a good lasting shield for the tap E, Hold E and Burst that say lasts 12 seconds or so. C6 is also really bad and underwhelming, it should've either been a party heal and the extra health regeneration on top of the heal or should've just focused more on their damage.
Even if they let us eventually swap between elements on fly (in combat), hydro skill set seems almost useless. Deploy ult and switch to something else. Squirt gun.. really MHY?
It amuses me that the traveller who can fight literal gods has literally some of the worst kits no matter what element they are. Dendro was the only decent one imo. I hate that they are bringing in more hp drain abilities as they are my least favourite to deal with. I don’t care if my attacks are stronger I despise needing to worry about my health constantly. But all I know that hydro mc looks like trash and I will not use it like any other elemental traveller. Not that I want to use them anyway since I’ve regretted choosing aether since the start so less reason to look at him is fine by me. I just hope hp drain isn’t gonna be the new meta
We said "how can you screw up a hydro unit" and mihoyo accepted the challenge
Hype for cryo and Pyro traveler is plummeting now
They cleared that challenge when they did candace
@@eniobiondi2749 Even Candace has uses with Ayato and in Nilou bloom
@@Antigen__ and some crackheads do hydro diluc with candace
@@eniobiondi2749 Candace is like Chongyun a really fun unit to play
The biggest flaw with Hydro Travelers kits is the fact that Dendro Traveler exists...
that doesnt make any sense
@@blastzd dendro traveler is really good so people expect hydro, pyro and cryo traveler to be at least like dendro traveller if not better and frm the looks of the leaks, hydro traveler is trash till hoyo decides some major changes.
@@avgsamyt Hydro traveler is worst than Dehya...
@@guillermocervisalmeron2209I'm pretty sure Dehya will become quite needed in Fountaine and that she was designed specifically with Fountaine in mind.
@@annanas9122The thing is, Dehya could be usable if you got her cons but HMC is still trash even if you got his cons. The new best three star character we ever got.
The only fun thing would be to use their E with Nahida + Raiden and get hyperbloom from afar
Nahida sniper improved
Hyperbloom from afar? my dear comrade I think you mean *sniperbloom*
I actually have a C3 Raiden and C3 Nahida for this very thing. Throw in Kuki for constant healing and that's my plan. I think his kit looks great and the scaling is good.
@@sethchandler4170 get someone on 4p tenacity and traveller's c4 shield might even fully tank the damage :D
holy shit thats true, it will be god tier for overworld if you have that team
It's unfortunate but also predictable that Mihoyo would be giving bare minimum thought or effort into the Traveler's kit, because at the end of the day their goal is to sell new characters to players, and having an actually good MC might detract from that, at least that's probably what they're thinking. Hell, I even think that Dendro Traveler only ended up decent and functional as an accident, not by design or intent.
This type of thinking is so wrong man, I would still pull for alhaitham even if dendro MC was cracked, it’s almost like people pull for design and the feel of the character. I low key get angry mihoyo for gimping the MC, makes me not want to care about the story
No, Dendro itself is really good. Plus, they wanted people to be in love with Dendro, so that they could sell all the Dendro characters they released in the Sumeru arc. It was a lot btw. Dendro units now outnumber Geo units which is baffling. I am afraid Navia is gonna end up being lackluster.
@@alguem331-c5o so explain me why Hoyo do this to MC? Are they just straight up hate them or what? Don't they understand that it won't hurt their profit anyhow if they will make MC good?
Of course it was an ‘accident’ because it had an entire new element with dendro and effectively a fresh batch of units it had to be gacha for to make use of said new mechanics.
Ultimately sumeru was more of a hype up a new mechanic. As far as my brain that cares little on actually playing, Fontaine is being when they finally fking revamping the game for real, such as UI improvements, ain’t gonna rein people like me back into playing when Punishing gray raven does a better job by giving QoLs every version then taking nearly 3 years for something actual.
Hydro’land is really gonna be just more dendro abuse really since unless they make other things more broken, people are likely just to dendro spam then trying new stuff.
Only way traveler is gonna be ‘worthwhile’ is if they scrap the separate element gag and let you mix skills, make abilities flexible and none of this specific unit only bull crap and just let traveler have the unique gimmick to solo react elements, get more skills then just one skill and burst like others and let traveler open up team comps with 5 elements as a result.
Until miho’verse introduces a 6 star system to ‘evolve’ characters, I can’t expect them to ever make traveler viable even for only a few months till other units get them and then we have childe rocking hydro AND electro and Wanderer rocking anemo AND electro together for story reasons and just flip off the concept of delusions and make a ‘good’ version to barf a bunch of dual elements on other characters and then eventually power creep it with triple element chars to likely flip off anemo and geo with a unit that runs both those elements and another element.
@@olgabutorina4156because it’s standard practice to make the ‘free’ units insanely bad to force players into getting gacha units to replace them
It’s just mihoyo is insanely greedy at it since none of the free chars in Genshin and even honkai impact 3rd compare to how busted some are with the latter even if all sp units are ‘farmable’ demand a full set of gacha gear to function in most cases.
If this was a different game like Dragalia lost was or Another Eden they either included ways to ‘evolve’ older units into some really strong stuff or the latter, more free units that are rather strong and creative comp design can even let you take down super bosses in that game even with a ‘free unit party’.
Ultimately, mihoyo is first and fore’most a game that shovels gacha at break neck speed and constantly spams advertisements to a noxious get as many spenders on board, likely thru social peer pressure then actually sell a good freaking game
Because if you dig around for other mobile games, you can find a lot of fun titles that give ALOT to even free to play players, like punishing gray raven. Which makes me wanna spend on that game because it is actually fun compared to what a lot of miho’verse games demand to even ‘function’ in said games.
Honestly, I think the weird aim mechanic was designed specifically with puzzles in mind. There's no easily accessible hydro bow character since both are 5 stars, and there may be hydro-based puzzles in Fontaine that require a bow. It's otherwise so goofy, and I can't see why else they'd go in this direction.
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That's what I thought too
Also Hydro MC will be available for new players so they can use him instead of Barbara... But still... They could make things better 😢
Some niche, almost meme, usecases like sniper hyperbloom composition? Honestly this looks linda fun, just not useful in meta sense
Let's be real here.
Dendro Traveller was an accident. Mihoyo will not make the same mistake twice.
DMC is like an anomaly here, guess they weren't expecting a radish that you can splash hydro onto to increase its range was gonna be good haha
the fact that the initials are the same as Devil May Cry just make it better
Nah. It was a canon event. Or as WE says. There are no mistake.
No, you be real.
I main Traveler since AR 1 and even now at AR 60
DMC sucks and the reason you think it`s "accident" is because Collei sucks EVEN MORE
Dendro has freaking 80 cost and generates the same amount of particles as Faruzan (look at her energy needs)
And also Xiangling > Hu Tao C0 so it's not a mistake and that does not stop Hoyo from getting people to pull
@@walter1824 dendro main character doesn't suck lol, you are just salty cause he is better than geo main character
I think that his hold e isnt made for combat situations, but for higher puzzles. Thanks to its range mihoyo wont have to realese a free hydro bow for the player to do fontaine enviremental puzzles on for example cliffs.
Well, unlike dendro, it's not as if we haven't an abundance of good hydro support characters already. If you look at it positively, you don't need to spend a single skillbook or crown to level hydro traveller's talents, nor do you need to rush collecting 300 hydroculus to get his c6. And it's not like all of us are skipping hydro archon's banner. Thanks Mihoyo, makes my decisionmaking that much easier
DMC is till useable despite all the Dendro characters that came after. The same cannot be said of HMC's current state.
It's too be expected though, DMC is a bit of an outlier among the travellers
@@tonydai782 DMC is an outlier because like all Dendro units they are immediately good due to dendro reactions being way too strong and easy to build for
@@Merchuyley I mean, even if they just replaced Hydro MC's kit with a direct one-to-one of Dendro MC's it'd be much better.
The fact that DMC's a1 and their cons are catered for a support playstyle instead of whatever the heck they did with HMC also greatly impact this.
I don’t understand the fear of making the MC good, star rail does not do this and the mc is actually fine, honkai really is the favorite child
You are forced to use hydro traveler and Lynette in abyss for pneuma/ousia mechanic.
So Yes you have to rush Building it
That's really unfortunate. I understand the dev want to sell limited 5-stars, But that shouldn't lead to them making so weak a MC who is vital to the story of the game, anyways -- canonically the traveler is US in game - There are certain fights we can ONLY use the traveler in.
If they're worried about their limited character sales, then how about At least build a 5-star Gacha weapon specifically for the Hydro MC to solve all the problems they made for it and make their combat talents excel, at least in terms of raw power per attack?
It’s crazy bc in Honkai Star Rail, the Mc is actually super good. I don’t understand why they are dropping the ball with Hydro MC in Genshin. I don’t know why the Genshin team makes decisions like this!
I thought they decided to start making the traveler function like a useful 4 star since sumeru, but they ended up making another super niche one that barely even work. Guess I'll just lower my standard for pyro and cryo traveler
@@ba_sic That was a case of having it function as a dendro unit, where the name of the game is to put out damn fields or application systems to EZ seed spam for the bombs.
If they ever were to revamp the other elements for Traveler, then Anemo needs to have a more controlled C.C. system then its terrible `blow enemies away` crap. Geo needs to act more on shield application then its terrible platform gimmick on the first and the latter just being a stupid AoE applier that should of been the E.skill that could recharge the burst which could of had a 3 (4 charge on constellation) charge system that could generate shields and act as the platform and would just regenerate slowly but alot faster on geo applying even off field and standard methods.
Meanwhile Electro only got a `pass` because that was the god damn energy battery shenigan and since the name of the game is just spam E.skills and Bursts non-stop, batteries were just the norm abuse back then.
Traveler could have every one of its skills to include a proper `active` skill and the burst would act as a `persist field skills` for constantly applying the element just like dendro does and that would work
But at that point it would be way too basic and they just need to god damn let traveler multi-equip elements and can select between 2 E.skills and 1 burst for a customizable traveler on its mechanics.
Hell just let traveler`s constellations stack with each other so as the regions open up he gets `naturally stronger` in raw stats with each element to do a better job signifying the traveler`s power and also add in elements of his original `light sword and light wings` as part of his kit to signify them alot better.
Seriously does anyone even fking remember the `Void Tuna knock off` or even the actual dang main story anymore with how bad they handle the story in general?
The game is literally supported more by memes and shite posts then the actual game itself.
@@Destiny_smIf the Hunt MC is released and they are a good character than yes. HSR team should just take over.
Ok but am I the only one that’s first thought as soon as they saw the skill “intelion?”
Let alone HMC, as long as they're still deathly afraid to break through Xingqiu ceiling I don't think even Hydro Archon's kit is going to be meta defining. Sure she might open up new team comp possibilites like Nilou but it's not gonna be like how Nahida is to Dendro.
I think it would be great for the hydro archon if her kit isn't made to compete with Xingqiu's playstyle and rather open up a new meta-defining playstyle which will be equally as valid to build and play for overall. Perhaps with more focus on consistent AoE application and damage would be the key.
@@aritra2116 gosh no I dont want a 3rd Xingqiu. I want her to be better. Let her have her own niche but let her niche be better than any teams Xingqiu could fit in. And let her be the only character that can fill that role. Xingqiu is hella stacked right now and some consider him the best unit in game so breaking the Xingqiu ceiling is gonna be hard but a necessary step for hydro archon.
If not then shes gonna be the most embarassing archon to date. Even Venti lost to a fellow 5 star. She would be losing to a 4 star thats been in game since launch lol
@@ra6765Gosh, now that you say it, I am afraid they are not going to make her any better than Xingqu. I was hoping we'll get a AoE Xingqu with her but knowing Hoyo, they really like pretending that their 4 star characters like Bennett and Xingqu aren't overpowered cause their utility levels are a mistake on their part.
@@ra6765how else can she do better than Xingqiu?
@ra6765 I never said I wanted her to be a 3rd Xingqiu. Read carefully. The fact of the matter is still that I am sure that they would not and should not make her something as a Xingqiu competitor because that would really make her not only unoriginal, but have to play second fiddle to Xingqiu yet again. No where have I disagreed with your original statement.
Why does mihoyo always have to be MC bad? In lore, the Traveler is one of the most powerful and I want to see that in gameplay too. Uhh, this hurts my feelings 😔
Dendro is pretty good if you ask me.
@@darksyde0418 yes because dendro is just too strong not the Traveler's kit
@@nergistozan5920But Dendro MC's kit does few things better than other dendro chara.
best offield dendro applicator after Nahida and has decent buffing ability.
@@nergistozan5920 I'd say dendro's kit is pretty good tho, but the element definitely helps it a lot more.
@@sidiqdidi9925Dmc's application is even better than Nahida's in situations where enemies die and respawn too frequently for reliable Seed upkeep
I know they don't want Traveller to be good so you pull 5 stars, but why it's not like xinqiu or xianling keep people from pulling. It's so weird
Hydro traveler really hurts more after dendro traveler being so good, and if you play HSR, the mc is actually really good gameplay wise so it really sucks to see Genshin going down the route of terrible kits for the MC.
This is my omega copium, when we get to khaenriah traveler will have the ability to mix and match elements or switch between them freely so in order to avoid making traveler way too op in the future theyre making the individual pieces weaker now before traveler gets the huge glow up way down the line... at least this is what im telling myself to justify traveler being so shit for the most part
Hydro mc skill takes too much on field time to make a quick swap routine
Nah because this is what i 100% believe is gonna happen at the end lol
Traveler should of had this back in Liyue since they already god damn showed the capability to use multiple elements story-wise and they constantly hint at it a few times in other story cutscenes too.
Thars a difference between a character HAVING an ability and then just trolling it by making it seem like they have it but never actually reflect it in gameplay.
If i could hold the entire mihoyo-dev team at gunpoint with a bomb, i would force them to revamp traveler ASAP to include the ability to mix elements.
let them use 2 E.skills, 1 E.burst similar to how Final Fantasy 16 handled Eikonic abilities, shares all constellations and talent levels between the elements and using the E.skill would show them using a manifestation of thar `light sword` while using the E.Burst would have them temporarily manifest the light wings.
For an extra flavor, after using enough of those skills they could `unleash` a blessing that could just buff elemental skills for the entire team for a sizable amount of time so he actually freaking stands out and the traveler`s abilities to use multiple elements could reflect on also them being that so called catalyst to stir other nations to have stuff get rolling.
@@Saberdud Electro skill + Hydro ult maybe
Honestly I think he's just gonna get a new element
If he's gonna be the only one with that element or not I dunno, but their original power was not any of the elements and I don't think Visions could give that power to people...maybe the heavenly principles if they become playable would have the same element
Hydro trav seems to be really essential in overworld. Especially underwater since they have special interactions and abilities there. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
You can use different characters underwater not only the mc
it seems because he can cut grass or something lmao
pretty sure it's every fontaine character and the mc
ONLY in Fontaine
Problem of the MC is that... you need to farm new weapon, new artifacts and talent mats each time you switch element. And I fear you will have to use it for the new underwater content, so skipping hydro won't be an option...
The new weapon only goes into place for dendro atm. You either need favonius or an EM weapon.
For anemo geo electro and hydro u want more dps based stats :/
Weapon isn't a problem for travelers since you will most likely want Favonius sword and it's also a safe option too.
I still mad asf how the team just put stupid aah goofy ahh “ATK main stat” on the 4* craft-able Fontaine sword when we already have that type of sword for 4262189 times already and it could have been HP main stat instead…
Swear to god they gonna have hydro puzzles and hydro pillars at high places to forced us using hydro traveller, since many (including me) don't have yelan, to activate them from afar (and they gonna rerun yelan in 4.0, coincidence? I think not). There goes 1 slot in the team and losing access to dendro mc when travelling fontaine.
lol that's genius also yelan by herself is op for open world with the running, maybe they also giving you lynette with a similar skill too to bait you more, as I think unlike yelan she doesn't recover stamina while running in skill
I feel you brushed off the second part of C4; the shield refresehes to its max HP every 2 seconds, so you it kind of self refreshes itself, letting you tank more than initally thought.
I think Hydro MC has the chance to be at least fun/good if he just had HP scalings for damage numbers
Yeah but it doesn't change that the shield wouldn't survive in abyss, would need zhongli or someone to help probably unless freeze or something, could be fun for hyperbloom with nahida and raiden
They got away with Nilou restrictive kit. They got away with Dehya. They got away with Baizhu. Dont understand why people expect good kits from Hoyoverse anymore.
Nilou is cracked within the niche she created. And despite baizhu being nothing special he does the healer job pretty well.
tbh they kinda didn't get away with baizhu.. he got the lowest amount of revenues for limited unit
They got away with yae clunky kit
Nilou's kit is good because her niche (bloom) is actually great and she herself needs low investment (no need for weapon or talents, just stack hp on artifacts). A F2P Nilou team consisting of Nilou, DMC, Barbara/Yaoyao, and Xingqiu is great. I do agree about the other two tho.
@fbihere2 that's because people were already saving for baizhu
Nah, Puzzles can be hand crafted for Hydro-travelers squirtgun skill and burst. at the same time, Pneuma and Ousia gimmicks might push you to Hydro MC unless you roll Linney
I'm sad that these 'micromanagement' abilities aren't regarded as good; they seem they could offer more complex gameplay for better rewards (higher damage, energy, etc.) But they always end up being too clunky for too little of a reward
Hp drain? Does that mean Furina is gonna have an hp drain as well? Since the traveler is just a worse version of the archon
she does but not to herself
she drains hp from allies in exhange for massive buffs
Massive Bennett that (Maybe?) could kill an Low HP Character
@@Guni. so, the only character that can't be used with her is Hu Tao and kuki? Well, is not a problem at all lol
@@luissaumeth8000 even Dehya Can be Good with Focalors
Traveler is a jack of all trades but a master of none
Even someone like Noelle and Diona aren’t suffer this bad like Hydro Traveler, this is just so sad
@@dontshitontravelermains5498 lol diona is good, and noelle well sadly can't generate any energy like barbara and qiqi
HP drain on our traveler is insane. Id expect that mechanic from like Quantum/Abyssal power burst or E skill but for hydro? The healing element SPECIFICALLY hurts us? Insane.
Dendro mc is way better than any other form also adding the fact that dendro element and it's reactions is kinda broken
hydro is a better element, but they rlly screwed up hydro mc
@@blastzdThis. Hydro characters can’t really be bad at all unless their kit suck so bad which is the case with Hydro MC
Whenever it comes to story, world or archon quests I always main the Traveller as the "Traveller" represents "us" in the story. Hence, regardless of how bad their kit may be I'll still use the Traveller. I plan on bringing her with Nahida, Raiden and Zhongli. They would make the Traveller a powerful sniper and deal good damage.
Dendro Traveller was so far the best. And I found out that as along as you focus on energy recharge and elemental mastery, as well as level up the talents, Traveller will be good support no matter if she is geo, anemo or even electro.
P.S: I agree with Hydro Traveller being a really bad one compare to Dendro.
Yes I thought the same team probably it works and could be funny, until hydro archon comes, and well its hard to compare to dendro as he has the best kit but also the easiest element where everyone is op with not that much build
I just hope pyro Traveller will be great and make him a main dps
Hoyo: sure ☺️ here, take a Traveler with Pyro infusion and -100% crit rate
@@olyabutorina6869 could be worse, could be -3000 atk
Just to go with xiangling bennett kazuha xD
With how things are going pyro MC will be worse than dehya/xinyan and cryo will be worse than qiqi but without the healing part
@@olyabutorina6869 lmfao
just succ the enemy up by venti's ult w/ pyro infusion then free hit
I'm kind of mad, as I really lack a hydro character (only started 2 months ago and only got c0 barbara and c0 candice) to build my hyperbloom team.
I really hoped I could finally use the traveller for something useful ....
I mean he can probably work for hyperbloom team as driver, but without shield yeah.. probably barbara can do a better job just normal attacking with healer set
Hmn so I already have a team for this, I don’t think hydro traveler is gonna be meta but if you pair them with ayaka venti and candace that team seems pretty stable also sacrificial sword is definitely gonna be absolutely insane. And the reason I added candace is bc of the new set also boosting normal and charged attacks, but you could also just do hydro dmg bonus.
Anyone notice the dananronpa music in the background?
If big if Hoyo were to change something for HMC it would be good if they make the dewdrop bigger like the same as the Hydro T rex fungus or Hydro Abyss mage projectile and has small Aoe would be nice l because at the moment it looks lack luster and this also includes the torrent surge because looking at the leaks the heavy damage torrent surge is a single target projectile it should be able to hit multiple targets it can be as big as the ones Hydro Lectors has, and as for the cooldown there needs to be separate CD for the Press and Hold mode because cmon waiting for 10 seconds because you pressed instead of hold is just not good. Next is the Elemental Burst should never be able to clip through bigger targets like ruin machines and the robots in Fontaine it can pass through Smaller mobs is good but should never pass through big mobs like bosses. Another thing is that the HMC should be able to move while in hold mode like how bow users can walk while in aim mode. And last is that the Dewdrop bullets and the Bubble should be able to Crit to supplement their low damage.
yeah good luck pew-pewing that water gun when battling those aggressive Constipated Beasts in Abyss.
The heal also says 7% of HP, not of total/max HP so its possible its only traveler base HP so yea its shit😊
People are coping that hydro mc will get better with future changes, it’s been years and electro mc is still hot garbage with no change on the horizon, same with the future elements
In the end, when the traveler can use all the elements, he will be the most powerful. Combining anemo and hydro burst can be op
Nah he gets to do hydro dendro and electro so he has free hyperbloom
Why choose three when you can choose all of it and create mass chaos HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!😈😈😈😈
Probably would cause massive lag to use all elements skill or bursts at the same time xD
After the support monster that Dendro Traveler was, i didn't expect much, but that doesn't sound that bad, just not that good
I guess we were all hoping hoyo would give us a traveler around DMC power level now since they are now 5/7 of the way through getting power from the archons. Will be interesting to see how they actually shake out as since if we do need to use them in the open world for exploration then they had better be somewhere near useful.
I was expecting a healer, like better than barbara but of course weaker than kokomi, but guess we got budget ayato that just will wait for hydro archon powercreep, at least in honkai star rail they don't mind switching the role of the mc going from dps to tank and some day buffer healer debuffer etc
The one thing that hydro traveler has going for them is their hydro is pneuma aligned. Supposedly certain enemies will need the proper aligned damage between pneuma and Ouisa to stun them. Since there are rumors the wind magician will be a freebie and we know shes ouisa aligned on her damage, its very possible traveler will be our only budget pneuma unit for a bit so we are incentivized to use traveler or pull new fontaine units that are pneuma aligned.
Yeah some people also say that hydro archon could have both
for onfield hydro...welp kokomi/barbara exists and without conditions...
for off field...yelan/xingqiu exists...
nahida/raiden/fischl are the only ones i think can work with a onfield hydro mc...
And the fact that Kokomi is fantastic for AOE off field Hydro too KEKW
there's also ayato and childe as on field hydro units.
As someone who enjoys using the traveler whenever I can this is easily by far the most disappointing version especially because they could’ve taken hydro MC in SO MANY different directions but instead they’re going with an awkward on-fielder that really doesn’t really offer much to a team. I’d even argue that they look like they might be worse than Candace, Dehya, and Dori because those ones are at least workable.
I just don’t see any team, situation, or reason to use Hydro MC especially when Barbara can likely fill the role just as well if not better.
Can definitely agree, DMC was a breath of fresh air and then we get this... Barbara can apply way more hydro in the time it takes to shoot that goofy ahh water gun 😂 (perks of being a catalyst user ig)
Hoyoverse could have make Hydro Traveler kit to be another mid healer and it will still not be as disappointing as the kit we have right now!
@@dontshitontravelermains5498or a hydro shielder. since we don't have one yet.
Agree was expecting a slightly better barbara or just a healer, but we got discount ayato
@@usmanya5110 well funny enough c4 is hydro shield but just for himself
I don’t care if he’s bad or not I’m still gonna triple crown him because aether is my favorite character in the game 🤷♀️
Same
Aether main here and I would rather wait to triple crown “Light” element traveler lol
@@dontshitontravelermains5498 lol see you in 3-4-5 years
Huh.. Suddenly Baizhu and characters like him who provide resistance to interruption don't seem as bad as people say... It's almost as if Hoyoverse does this every time. On a serious note, for better or worse the Traveler is free and extremely easy to level up, so it's not the worst thing. Just have to wait for release to decide if it's actually decent or not
nahh, dendro traveler is useful even tho it's free. It has good dendro application
@@gktte2574 yeah there's no disputing that. I personally don't like Dendro MC but they are really good especially for AOE Dendro application
if you mean the likes of baizhu and dehya, they would still be worse in that case than just....using a full shield. especially dehya, since baizhu actually heals. but IR and mitigation as they provide it is always gonna be worse than full shielding or just face tanking with healing
@@silverYolo yeah I meant just Baizhu since I can't justify Dehya's kit. I'm not bashing it, she's very much a poorly implemented support. But yeah you make a valid point about Baizhu. I do think his healing shield might work depending on the rate at which MC (or anyone really) loses hp
How is Baizhu bad?
I think the traveler burst is very useful to apply off field hydro application. AoE hydro for a long radius is not required as anemo unit exist.
The first time I saw the kit before looking at cooldown and stats, I already knew it was clunky. His Burst still got some minor off field potential but his skill doesn't synergy with other skills to create reactions and take too much field time.
If I'm force to build them based on the character we have and limited knowledge I'm aware of, I would think Hydro MC, Candace, Xiangling and Bennett - to create a vape team.
I'm thinking maybe Hydro MC, Rosaria, Diona and a VV shredder could work too but that would require Hydro MC to be on 4pc Blizard to take advantage of cryo resonance and free,e
Hoyoverse noticed how many people were using dendro traveler in early sumeru and wanted to correct the status quo
Guess it will depend on how this Puemna mechanic works.
Just for information, as a theorycrafter I would argue that this 5k max (and you wont reach 5k anyway because you want to stack ATK and CRIT, even in double hydro scenario I don't think many of us will have way more than 20k HP)... so anyway this 5k, I think it's not 5k flat because so far Genshin never works that way.
If it says 5k it's 5k before your multipliers. It means it can becomes 5000*1.616*2.15*0.5*0.9= 2 980 hydro damage if you crit with 115% crit damage.
Ofc it can be boosted with VV or Kazuha buff or Zhongli shield, etc.
the four 4.0 characters seem to actively reject the off-field stacking gameplay, and instead want to just pop their on-field combo and move on. The biggest contrarian to this seem to be Lynette, and just because she gives some atk to the party
Traveller specifically is just an Ayato lite, with less damage, AoE radius and burst duration, but with some heals attached.
It's a shame that every other traveler after the geo one (if i saw correctly) doesn't have an "elemental" attack at the end (when you use geo and anemo traveler after doing the full set of attacks for anemo it shoots an anemo blade and for geo it breaks a rock or something similar, and if you are lucky to hit with those they deal elemental damage) (i noticed this while playing in a friend's world)
How on gods green earth did they f up hydro travler
That Artifact for Dendro Dps in Nilou comps looks nearly chef kiss, if only it was EM 💀💀
I think hydro traveler might work well in a freeze comp though, but as the hydro on fielder. When enemies are frozen they cant hit you.
as if other hydro characters does not work well in a freeze comp.
@@emote3976 where did I say that?
@@Xochi_Mictlan6969 yeah but if someone likes hydro traveler then there can be options right. I did read his constellations give him shields and heals. Idk what the damage numbers are though but it’s definetly possible to make it work.
@@artaleasham4105 Yeah but at that point you could try using driver barbara so you can use whichever sub dps that out scales hydro mc, I was thinking about trying him in hyperbloom but the same thing could be said
i wanted a hydro healer mc so i have an excuse to play them in a team and have them be useful but, as you can tell this was a far away dream
HMC is really missing something in burst. The skill only needs no ICD or standard for minimum, to make the stationary-locked finger gun worthwhile and capable of sniperbloom.
The burst is missing a lot of something. Burst is expensive and short, with meh hit rate. It could either use healing when active character is inside it, or its trajectory is orbital or elliptical, or just follows the traveler like its Bongo Head inspired.
I think even Xiangling-behaving burst would be bakanced enough for HMC to have. It has ICD, half the uptime, and slower movement, so it balances itself out.
But rn, HMC is in a sad state that c
Is likely enforced as overworld exploration guide, using pneuma, and capable of long range monument activation. I can alreasy see Fontaine as an archery-reliant puzzle fest, with Fantasyaldn 3.8 puzzles as a precedent towards the puzzle landscape.
Still going to have to try it myself to get...aqua-inted...with Hydro Traveler.
It just All depends no of Hits on skill/burst because let's be real out of Xinque all the other Best Hydro Character are 5 stars.he also heals at C6 so he already has way more value than other Traveler except Dendro
the healing seems to be only for co op from the words. all nearby party members
idk man he seems worse than barbara. yeah barbara has no source of aoe app outside of maybe the burst. idk if it actually applies hydro. but She's not locked behind an animation.
It’s actually insulting how bad they made hydro traveler, like they're so awful that the only way you could make a kit like this is if you purposely chose to do it. The skill is underwhelming, the burst is terrible, the constellations aren't useful compared to past traveler elements even, and if you've seen gameplay, their animations look so lazy and even reused. Like they didn't even try with the traveler...
Of course they did it on purpose, they don't want anyone to play with Traveler
Tbh the MC doesn't even have to be good damage wise, just serviceable, having a good kit that makes sense, has a clear goal, with useful passives is enough. I don't get how doing that would discourage people from pulling chars on banners.
Edit: if his skill and burst have a decently low hydro application ICD then it could be decent ig
yeah like dendro mc is good not because of damage but because of his supportive capabilities even with all the dendro units out he's probably the 2nd best off field applicator only below nahida.
be interesting to see how it plays if MC travels along with the bubble.
Well, Travelers kit for every element is designed to be bad, because if it is too good - then what is the point to pull for other characters? So, no surprise here. It would have been more alarming if his kit looks too good - that would mean we are missing something.
what about DMC? people will say "well He gets worse with every new dendro support" he's still the 2nd best off-field dendro applicator in the game.
Yaoyao has RNG and ICD problems, Baizhu is too single target oriented, and Kirara just can't do as much dendro application, collie if i remember her app last at a short amount time along with weird icd ticks. i'm not counting Al and Tighnari since they are dpses and not supports. and Nahida.... well she's nahida. there's no need to talk about her.
Then we have free Xiangling, who is better than many event 5* 😂 you can say "but you need to pull for her cons", cone on, Traveler even with cons isn't as good as other 4*, that's just stupid
Also HSR has a great MC and it didn't ruin their sales anyhow
@usmanya5110 , @olyabutorina6869 The two of you have exactly opposite opinions, how amusing =)
I love getting my hp drained for no reason 😍😍😍thanks hoyoverse
If the burst not moving i would be better, like dendro traveller burst
One thing that i think can save Hydro Aether burst is: if any enemies hit by the bubble, be it big or small, they will be trapped inside a bubble similar to those created by hydro slimes or hydro mage for a period of time. Then when the bubble pops or expires it'll either deals extra hydro dmg or heal our character or better yet do both.
Probably something similar to that is for the hydro archon
I'm hoping MC is gonna become actually cracked by the end of the story by regaining their original strength, it's copium but eh
I heard indirect and unofficial news about dehya's dmg will increase in the coming versions
if the new region mechanics goes around loosing and winning hp then it could happen but nothing crazy
If traveler siblings permanently elemental infusion no cooldown without high scaling damage potential like 4 star catalyst characters did, then it's worth to play traveler
Guess it could be so broken and make other 5 star characters don't look that good like hu tao ayato raiden, kazuha c6 etc with infusion if free character just has it permanent, imagine if dendro mc had that he would be busted also anemo one, or hydro if he was a healer like he should budget kokomi
The copium in me hopes this kit will synergise with the new regions characters. But the realist thinks dendro traveler was the exception rather than how hoyo was going to treat them going forwards.
That's what people thought with Dehya, for some weird reason.
I kinda believed that Aether/Lumine is always going to be a newbie unit, I had hoped we get something like Ayaka/Mona dash atleast.
So I actually did the math and at max rank, her Skill does 1800% damage. The "Puemna" damage does 70% every 9 seconds, seemingly forever.
But wait, there's more. Let's talk about the added damage bonues. Suffusion adds 1.36% of her HP to every bullet. 20k HP is reasonable, meaning it will add 272 damage but this is BEFORE damage bonuses. If you have 200% Crit Damage and 80% Damage Bonus (admittedly a bit on the high end but not impossible), it will ad 1500 to each hit, for 20 hits, meaning it adds an whopping 30k damage. Then there's the talent that essentially add a 5000 flat added bonus damage. If you run that through the damage multipler, that's 27k extra damage.
TLDR, her Skill does 60k PLUS 1800% damage PLUS 70% damage every 9 seconds forever. Plus it it can hit the flying drake. As for her Burst, I don't know how many times it hits.
I can't defend the orb pick up mechanic though, it's a terribly cluncky mechanic that will just be ignored.
I don't complain for the damage, all of traveler skills (except Electro) deals high damage...HMC dmg is fine but...he can't walk while aiming, that's terrible 😔. U know, just imagine U get slapped by robots while aiming ;)...and the burst won't stop while hitting target :(
Don't forget that the bursts duration is 4s and 18s cd with 80 energy cost and with cons become 7s
Deepwood would be good for Traveler regardless of Hydro being good or not. The only reason it'd be bad on Hydro Traveler, would be because of his on-field characteristics. This is for the fact that Deepwood is a universal set that buffs your Team's Dendro DMG. If you use Hydro Traveler with Dendro units, he can be the Deepwood holder while the rest uses other sets.
However, the way that Hydro Traveler is played is against Deepwood.
I'm going to try sniperbloom, then i'll go back to dendro mc because my poor tighnari is level 40 and my alhaitham is level 39
The second ascension passive shouldnt be as bad as it looks. If it works like thr other flat damage buffs, it will be affected by percentage damage bonuses and crit damage. So the 5k max gets scaled to around 20k with a good build. Still a low number though
God damn it, why did they make that set not buff Plunging Attack too? It would have been a decent set for Xiao finally.
I love the fact that you need constelations to DECREASE the ultimate movement, Hoyoverse just stick whatever
her constellations are free tho...
@@sarahharuka2811 but depending on how people play. i don't think anyone wants to farm hydroculus.
If I can make Electro & Anemo Traveler work in Spiral Abyss, I can do the same for Hydro Traveler.
I like that they are giving Hydro Traveler an on-field kit this time, but damn. I'm hoping the damage numbers are decent at least, Torrent's tickle damage aside. If the scaling is decent, that water gun might be something nice.
I also hope that the HP drain from Suffusion counts as "taking" damage, because then Vourukasha's Glow could very well work.
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Hoyo said...
Now that dendro is introduced in the game, lets make the mechanics and gameplay from now. Its up to the players from here on out.
Hydro traveller is water peashooter
in general RPG story the main character grows stronger as time and experiences go on. but this traveler as MC is just a clown.
It's Hoyo you know and Genshin is Hoyo's cashcow.
Xiangling + venti burst hydro mc vapes W skill (last slot is for healer (probrably bennet
What is pneuma ousia mechanic? Can anyone explain that to me? Is that kind of new layer reaction mechanic?
Light/dark alignment. Fontaine chracters will have additional attack of their alignment that can proc during specific actions.
You can use this vs. enemies of the opposite alignment to stun them. Basically like a different axis of elemental weakness.
I main every traveler I have as DPS in overworld. But in hydro traveler, I dont even know how to build a DPS party from here from what we got now. Probably Nymph set will be BiS and just slap 5 star weapon. His skill is just so clunky. Both tap and hold version have 10s CD, and there is probably no reason to use the pew pew mechanics. His burst also worse than ayaka, not stopping while hitting enemies, and its attack per second is worse, probably 2 attacks per seconds.
The sourcewater droplet should just be activated without touching into something dropped to the ground. And I guess even electro traveler is better as support since they can charge your active character's energy while providing some electro activation in burst, while hydro traveler only...... heal.
DMG wise, the numbers arent so big overall too, geo and dendro traveler DPS is way better.
I dont understand why Hoyoverse, at least the Genshin divisiom do this. I thought they learn their lesson in dendro traveler, and HSR has good kit on all its available variants. But suddenly took a U-Turn in hydro traveler.😊
HMC is probably for fontaine puzzles where only HMC, Yelan and Childe (probably Hydro archon too) can do it.
You can literally main anything in the overworld anyway.
The only question for me is he good & comfortable enough for ayaka freeze or should I just get kokomi right now.
haha that was what I was wondering as well before all this came out.
Kokomi is already way more established as an off field Hydro applier + can also help sustain the team, so just go for her. I have a guarantee for her and at 60+ pity already too lol
dissapointing to hear, but ill definetly still be building him just because i love him as a character. also because mini water gun go pew pew
Don't care, plan to max him anyway.
All me "Traveler's" a 9/9/9 just for lore sake 😅
I though we would get Fiji water with hydro Mc…but in reality we are getting Kirkland water…
You did said purely Meta perspective. So I would play the game casually like how it is meant to be. But of course playing with Meta has it fun in its own way, go for it, play how every you like. Just make one that you know you won't regret.
Missed opportunity to name the video 4.0 Leaks Analysis
Ultimately, dendro Traveler... of ALL the Traveler variants... is the one that HAD TO BE GOOD
Dendro was new to the game and early Sumeru was gonna be awful for returning players if dendro Traveler was junk... meaning no recouping of players lost to the late 2.X low-content patches
Hydro Traveler, on the other hand, can afford to be low tier. By Fontaine, most players should have decent or even good hydro options... even if they're free to play
The same will likely be true for pyro & cryo Traveler. I don't think we should be expecting another strong Traveler like we got with dendro
That's a sad thing, I main Aether and I want some nice DPS kit on him 😭
Dendro has been the only good traveler spec. Seems like this might continue.
Yeah pyro one even if good has to compete with a lot of characters, and cryo has it hard to beat kaeya and rosaria
I dont have xingqiu or yelan so i think i can use HMC ult as a buget
Unironically I think Barbara with Sac Frags would be better than Hydro traveler lmfao. Could reset her E or some shit...idk...Trying to think of other hydro units. Mona, Childe, Ayato are all amazing, Ayato esp. for off field hydro application.
@@marcusaurelius4777i have barbara but she is my best healer rn so i cant do that, beside that i only have nilou and candace which i also cant use them with yoimiya either
@@dcakadark just play Nilou bloom then.
@@marcusaurelius4777HMC is probably designed to solve fontaine hydro puzzle from afar. Kokomi/barbara/xinqiu won't help.
@@blazingdragonwolf6771you also remember that the abyss need 2 teams.
Having a new on-field hydro applicator could actually work out, as the only other real option is Childe who’s a limited five star and only serves the function of DPS and hydro application. If they were interested in making Hydro Traveller any good, they could give them some support that makes them a viable choice over Childe for teams that want an on-field hydro driver.
Ayato?
@@usmanya5110 Its also limited 5 star, but well you could also argue that barbara can work too as on-field hydro applicator budget kokomi, I was hoping hydro traveller was upgraded barbara but nope, guess he can work as cheap dps hydro driver
@@asoret yeah barbara too and probably even candace is possibly a better driver than HMC. the reason why i said ayato is because he only mentioned childe as the real option as an on-field applicator.
@@usmanya5110 oh I see then you are right, actually ayato is probably character more similar to him
@@asoret if you're talking about he's similiar to hmc than yeah he's sort of similiar to hydro mc. but uhh with a weaker burst and a skill that locks you in place. cause from what i remember with ayato you can still move around even with in his e mode.
as for Ayato and Childe: Ayato is more of jack of all trades master of none. but unlike dehya or xinyan he's actually good no matter what. while Childe's more of a true dps unit.
Hydro MC is so disappointingly bad. Like the skill is the most interesting part of their kit but it's still bad. Long CD for both tap and hold, hold doesn't do good damage or even good application. The skill drains your health but the trade off is really minuscule hp damage bonus, like it's really not much for it to drain 4% every shot. All your dewdrop hits won't even be buffed since you'll be at 50% before the skill even ends. The passive allows him to heal a bit, but it really does not heal enough at all, you'll never be at 100% back to get all the hp bonus damage buffs. The other passive doesn't even boost damage by much, it should've been something like dendro traveler where you get higher damage with higher hp for skills and burst.
The burst has to be the worst though, it's actually terrible. The hydro traveler burst acts like Anemo mc but worst, it has no CC, no elemental shred, bad application, and passes through constructs like Zhongli Pillar. It doesn't even provide any utility.
The overall kit is just terrible, Hoyoverse really needs to make big changes if they ever actually decide to actually buff them. Like I believe they should let you move during the hold skill and have shorter CD, increase his multipliers and hp bonus damage, and reduce the hp cost so all hits get buffed. Make the burst either stationary and have a large AOE or make it act like Ayaka burst. Make the traveler's healing droplets heal more or add some healing regeneration on top of it like Barbara so they can heal back to 100% after skill. And make other passive hp bonus damage for both skills and burst.
The constellations are also pretty bad even compared to past traveler elements. C1 is alright, the energy is nice. C2 is okay, if they fix the burst then the speed decrease doesn't really help, I'd add some party heal or some hydro Shred. C4 could've been great, if it actually allowed the traveler to create a good lasting shield for the tap E, Hold E and Burst that say lasts 12 seconds or so. C6 is also really bad and underwhelming, it should've either been a party heal and the extra health regeneration on top of the heal or should've just focused more on their damage.
nahida nilou yaoyao and HMC is good?
Honestly I don’t mind since I love a good challenge 😅
Even if they let us eventually swap between elements on fly (in combat), hydro skill set seems almost useless. Deploy ult and switch to something else. Squirt gun.. really MHY?
It amuses me that the traveller who can fight literal gods has literally some of the worst kits no matter what element they are. Dendro was the only decent one imo. I hate that they are bringing in more hp drain abilities as they are my least favourite to deal with. I don’t care if my attacks are stronger I despise needing to worry about my health constantly. But all I know that hydro mc looks like trash and I will not use it like any other elemental traveller. Not that I want to use them anyway since I’ve regretted choosing aether since the start so less reason to look at him is fine by me. I just hope hp drain isn’t gonna be the new meta
I unfortunately have to tell you that lyney and lynette will also drain hp
Oh, Hoyoverse will definitely pushing HP drain as the new meta for sure to get thing “interesting” and “change up” for players.
Y’all say any and every thing is bad. I like it
only thing positive i can think of this kit is it can easily proc freedom sworn's buff. if you have it. that's it i guess. copium