I'm hoping Detroit does this. 31 wins in two seasons combined and 2, #5 picks to show for it? Whole league gotta watch the James family rot under Tom Gores.
@@Wake-up1776 the League has it in for you...cause you didn't get the 1st Pick in arguably the worst Draft Class in over a decade, after you got the 1st Pick three years ago but fail to develop him?
@TheMarslMcFly 22, 4 and 8 is a fail? Casual, nobody in nba history has ever slipped from 1 to 5 and Pistons have done that in back to back years, 3 straight years of getting the 5th pick
@jj47k. Best draft combine performance in day 2 🤷♂️🤷♂️ you can claim he's not nba worthy, but then if you wanna be logically consistent, you must also believe NO players in this draft class are NBA worthy 😂😂
@AntiContradiction Just say you have a Lebron poster in room with Lebron Screensaver on your phone. Alot of you boost his son's abilities only because of Lebron. And I'm not hating on the kid I'm just looking at through a non bias lens just like the different scouts and NBA GM's who agree with me.
@@KazeShikamaruyou have to search for them but they exist. no one’s perfect but the good analysts talk about these espn topics for a minute or so and then move on to something more substantive
@@KazeShikamaruThey are much better simply because you are guaranteed to find some kind of variety, whereas with ESPN you're tied to whatever the current narrative is
I hope nothing but the best for Bronny, but him getting wall to wall coverage on ESPN/FS1/Bleacher Report where analysts try to create an angle about how he will be an impact NBA player at some point when there are a lot of other NBA prospects more worth evaluating is unfair to Bronny, the other players in this draft and to the general basketball public
Based on his college numbers, Bronny projects to average 0/0/0 in the NBA. Anyone pretending like he is anything other than a nepo baby exposes themselves.
@@BigBroKumathey act like guys like risacher and Sarr don’t got potential. Surprised they haven’t hyped up Sheppard or dillingham though (cause Suggs had hype coming out of Gonzaga when he got drafted)
Seems like everyone is okay with a kid who has shown little to nothing to prove he belongs in the nba to just be drafted off the strength of his name this is a dangerous standard to set
BIG agree on the content loop in sports coverage. Years ago (during the summer of one of the warriors cavs years) I dogsitted for friends of my parents and left espn on most of the day. After 3-4 hours I had to be away from the TV because every show had the same talking points I swear. The next day was almost exactly the same with 1 new story and a couple new twists. Honestly is why stuff from Secret Base and creators like yourself and Johnny Arnett is so refreshing 😅
It's unreal Lebron's power (Klutch's, too) in the basketball world, truly. Bronny was a good high school player who 'somehow' ended up as McDonalds All American (even though he wasn't even first team all conference in his home league). And from there it's just assumed he was awesome. But he shows essentially nothing in his freshman year at USC, which is fine, college can take some getting used to. But now that he declares for the draft (and we find out he's 2" shorter than listed!), it's back to the narrative that he was a high school 5 Star and McD All American, so he must be good. Looks like it's going to take him being on a NBA roster to find out he's a so-so basketball player (or worse). Which is really quite something when you think about it.
also feels like all the media has been covering is how bad the draft is. I don't watch college or anything but I would normally know at least the names of the lottery guys, this year i've literally heard nothing from any youtuber/media about anyone except edey or bronny post-march madness
@@DigitalSpitalthat’s the only way ik who’s coming in and I remember Tyrese Maxey rebuild one year he was crazy good at PG and played kinda like he does actually
A big issue is that the sheer volume of comments for some of these big media sources on social media means that they won't read the actual comments and just look at the engagement numbers. There could be 10 million comments saying that people don't want so much Bronny James coverage and the company would just see "Look at all that engagement! More Bronny James stories!"
Dude is one of the more solid guys in this draft not a star but a Jaquez Jr type older guy who can step in day 1 and provide u solid IQ and shot making
@@BigBroKuma I mean, he is French so that definitely is a concern lmao, but then again he's been hooping in the US and Australia the last three years lol
gotta be slow or something, ofc he speaks English, he played in Australia and is young. almost all international prospects speak 2-3 languages (English being very common.) @@BigBroKuma
He’s a 6’2” 2 guard who couldn’t crack 6 PPG, with heart problems. I’ve got to assume USC would have loved him to be a great player, considering the attention he would bring the program, so I doubt it was the team not giving him a chance. In all honesty, I think he’s got a shot at being the worst player of his generation. Small 2 guards who can’t score at the college level don’t typically last long in the NBA. What are we talking about here? Saying it’s unfair to suggest his dad is the only reason he’ll make the NBA is crazy. It’s honestly disrespectful to the fringe NBA players to suggest he deserves a shot on merit. His resume does not stack up against anybody in the league.
If you just look at him objectively and ignore his last name he absolutely projects to be the worst player ever drafted in the NBA. 4/2/2 on a 15-18 college team means he projects to be a 0/0/0 guy in the NBA. Could he improve? Some, but based on what we've seen the only stat he's contributing to would be the +/-, and only the - part. Also, he's not one of these guys who will benefit from having a nutritionist and trainer in the NBA, because he's had them his entire life. He's not gonna be like Jimmy Butler or Kawhi where he can make a big jump while already in the NBA because he's finally eating, sleeping, working out and practicing correctly with all the necessary trainers/coaches in place. Bronny has already had all of that in place his entire life. 19 years of professional nutritionists, trainers, coaches, etc... and he's a 4/2/2 guy on a 15-18 college team. If LeBron had all the benefits his kid grew up with? (Assuming he keeps the same drive and doesn't slack off) He'd be averaging 40/20/20 and probably have 15 titles.
The main part of this that really hits for me is "let me learn about the other players". Enjoying sports is partly about narratives and part of what the sports media is supposed to do is give you the tools to construct a narrative out of events (including the draft). If all you hear about is Bronny, you lack the tools to interpret what's going on in the draft to construct that story. And without that why would you even watch or care about the draft? It actively undermines the whole purpose of even covering the draft in the first place.
Saying Jordan's kids didn't have the talent to get drafted is pretty goofy considering Bronny averaged 4/2/2 in college. Can you show me a single instance of anyone averaging 4/2/2 in college and getting drafted? If Jordan had said he would go play for whatever team drafted his son, like LeBron did, his son would have been drafted. The second Bron announces his retirement Bronny is getting cut.
@@abrahamabraham1019 I didn't ask about anything so how I move the goal post? Your missing the whole point of why some with low to no college stats make the nba. Height. That's not my argument that's the history of this league.
The best path for bronny is to go undrafted, have the burden of media coverage lifted off his back and work back into the NBA via a developmental league. The hype and hate being put on American athletes is pretty sad and sometimes heading overseas to escape the attention is the best move. Yes I do want him to join the Sydney Kings and I am 100% biased
Bronny is projected as the 54th best prospect. In the 2021 NBA Draft the Bucks at owned picked 54 and drafted Sandro Mamukelashvili. Compare those 2 players both supposedly worth pick 54. Mamu 18/8/3 leader of his team Seton Hall avg 36MPG and shot 34% from 3pt. Size 6'11" 245lbs Bronny 5/3/2 bench rider of USC avg 19MPG and shot 27% from 3pt. Size 6'1" 220lbs. Compare these 2 players and tell me Bronny is anywhere near worth pick 54?? Be honest with yourself please! Sandro Mamukelashvili is still in the NBA playing with the Spurs behind Wemby who ate up a lot of his playing time this past season.
This is what makes me frustrated about the Bronny James discussion. He can barely perform at the NCAA level and yet if you say he’s gonna fail being in a league full of the top 450 basketball players in the world, you get labeled a hater. If he wasn’t related to LeBron James, he’d go undrafted because his skill level isn’t where it needs to be. Simple as.
@@hwoarangthedoorbell he didn't even perform at the NCAA level lol. He could barely come off the bench for a non tournament time so that shows how well he performed.
6:25 You still don't get it. I and many others don't hate Lebron because we're butthurt he beat our teams, that's a bronsexual type narrative. Many of us hate him because ALL discourse about actual, tangible flaws in his game, how he leads teams, and his inability to take responsibility for anything other than success gets labeled as "hatin" with excuse after excuse just like their king. Bronsexuals poisoned the discourse long ago and it's only gotten worse as the media CAN NOT even give so much as light criticism to Mr. Sunshine so much so that everyone, every other era must be put down to make him look better. It's pick-me girl behavior.
This dude is clearly a Bron fan considering he blew past a guy averaging 25/12 in college being questioned so he could talk about how it's unfair to judge 4/2/2 Bronny.
@@dashaunhuston94 I'm a Pistons fan (unfortunately), so believe me when I say fuck both of those guys, fuck the Bulls and especially the Lakers. That said, gambling? Really? MJ was an asshole in many ways and the only thing you can criticize is gambling? Are you even trying?
That's some of the beauty of channels like yours because we get a fresh perspective. I can't stand the NBA news cycle and the goat debate etc. I'm not sure if you've done it already but I'd like to hear your opinions on the draft prospects. Thanks for the content
"Fresh perspective" hahahaha. Bro mentions Zach Eddy being questioned, then spends the entire video telling us why it's wrong to question a guy who put up 4/2/2 on a 15-18 team.
all of the bronny coverage has gotten so bizarre and out of control that im genuinely rooting for him to succeed at this point. like yeah he’s lebron’s son and all but all the coverage he’s getting is mostly through that lens and i feel kinda bad for him. he should definitely stay another year in college, and even though i am genuinely pulling for him, considering how physically demanding the nba is, i do kinda wonder if playing pro basketball at all is a good idea for him, considering his heart problems tbh
also as an incredibly biased uconn fan, clingan has an amazing story. he's from ct, he played this march madness wearing his late mom's number, and went back to back in one of the most dominant march madness runs of all time.
I think the difference between this class and other ones is its not just that there's no consensus number one but people in the know seem to think there isn't even really a high ceiling player (literally means nothing)
absolutely love the way you go about it basketball discourse. i would recommend putting a lil music behind you talking tho, as you’re a much more relaxed commentator.
Why do you think that an 18 year old young man whose suffered a cardiac event is going to be a real competitive basketball player, name one player in history whose had a heart attack and played, this kid should never compete, no father would wish this upon their child
Yeah I noticed that they didn’t talk about any of the top picks. It’s like espn is acting like the public media by only talking about the popular subjects. They should be talking about sarr and dillingham
I would say the majority of people that hate LeBron hate him for his personality and bad character traits. He comes off as arrogant, he doesn't take accountability very often , he plays the blame game, and he cries when things aren't going his way. It also doesn't help that sports media pushes narratives for him that are working for him via clutch sports . Most of LeBron James hate is for self inflicted reasons.
All of that is nonsense. What examples of any of that behavior can you point to? Most of those lies came from CLE bc the owner hated him for leaving. If LeBron was so bad, why was he so excited to get him back four years later? You guys are just gullible. Skip said it, must be true. SAS said it, must be true. Meanwhile, we've seen both of them tell blatant lies.
I'm just going to say when I've talked to any person about Bronny (none are media affiliated) I haven't heard a soul put Bronny on the same trajectory as Lebron. We all know he is not him and will have his own career, at his own pace. There are no special expectations here.
I heavily disagree 😭 depends on the college tho cause college systems are comolete dogshit compared to the NBA especially USC's system this past season it's a big part of why Isiah Collier led the nation in turnovers 😭😭😭
he has shown nothing in high school or college to show that he can get there. if we are going on theoretical scenarios then everyone has a chance to make it to the NBA if all it takes is 4 years of college. The kid has poor handles, can't drive to the basket, can't shoot free throws, can't run the point and he is the size of a point guard. He has good shooting form though and a decent floater and tries hard on defense but gets scored on pretty easy. The kid has potential yes but right now he cannot even keep up against lackluster pac-12 players.
Thank you for talking about this and taking the whole perspective that there are other draft prospects. I have gone to other channels and have been spoken to very nasty for asking the question of discussing other draft prospects besides Bronny.
2 things i've hated the most;1with alot of former athletes pushing journalists out the way AS SOON as they retire now the amount of ppl who personally know Lebron so they walk on eggshells when talking about Bronny is crazy!2 it feels like Lebron is lightweight doing his son a disservice and it seems like he kinda feels like "Oh i'll get him right once he get here" 😂the NBA is easy TO ONLY YOU BRON idk if you can give yo son a cheat code😂 bc EVEN IF BRONNY PANS OUT this is clearly the wrong move, he clearly needs a yr or 2! He should be doing everything to give his son the best chance to succeed and coming out after 1yr as a projected late 2nd in a weak class after not playing well on a team that wasn't good.....isn't setting yourself up 2 succeed ASK GELO BALL
It definitely is nepotism if he gets drafted this year. There are at least 100 other guys who deserve it more than him. Even if he was the biggest stand out star in the combine he's only there this year because of nepotism. And that sucks because I think he has the potential to actually earn it for himself in a year or two.
The kid had a cardiac event, it can’t be overlooked, it’s heartbreaking that people are pretending this isn’t pretending this t a car wreck of an issue
FACTS the media is soooo bad they only talk about lebron and bronny because they know it gets views and clicks its so sad.. they do the same to bryce james on social media post they'll use bryce picture and not the leading scorer on the team or the top players they'll throw in a picture of bronny or bryce on the graphic for views. i love bronny but the media has got to cover him like they do every other 2nd round pick and let him go about his journey all their doing is bringing more hate upon him
The problem with Lebrons handling of this is he personally came out and said he wanted to play with his son. That essentially put his son on the clock to make it to the league. Instead of taking another year to develop, he’s going to the league to live out his dad’s pipe dream.
Super weird draft. Lot's of foreign talent but everything seems like a gamble in this draft. As for Bronny James, he's a 6'1 shooting guard that doesn't create much in iso and has had a spotty shooting record at best. Also he has a potentially lethal congenitive heart defect. Nobody is drafting that. Nobody.
Hmmm idk it's not about the production in terms of the real analysts. He ranks where he does because of his defense and athleticism. And he can play both the 1 and the 2. In terms of shooting that's not really a big deal cause a lot of coaches have the "I can fix him mindset" and ti be fair to them they have fixed a lot of prospects shooting forms so he'd just be a 2nd round pick. Not saying whether its right or not but if he wasn't a James he'd prob be a 2nd round pick or a UDFA put on a 2 way contract to develop
@@BigBroKuma There wouldn't even be a conversation about this incredibly ridiculous proposition if his last name wasn't James. Bronny James is 6'1 and at that size he will always be a defensive liability. He had an insanely bad year of college basketball and has an extremely serious medical condition. There is no planet where Bronny James even sniffs the draft unless a team dumb or desperate enough to blow a draft pick on the off chance LeBron will come along with the package.
It’s so crazy to me, the media will will look for any reason to slam an actual superstar - “he only averaged 25 this series” or “he missed the game winning shot”. But they’ll put themselves in traction to justify LeBron’s kid, who did nothing of note on a team that did nothing of note, as an NBA draft pick. The NBA only has two round. It seems disrespectful to the 60th-best basketball player outside the NBA to suggest Bronny’s better than they are.
Maybe not initially but most teams would rather have a decent-good rookie who could be with the team or retain trade value for 10+ years for cheap instead of taking a Lebron level cap hit for the probably about 2 years he’ll stay. The only team I could see needing a distributor/veteran presence like that would be maybe San Antonio
Idk man. The James family kinda did this to themselves. Lebron could’ve stayed quiet about playing with bronny. Bronny could’ve declined entering the draft. So no sympathy deserved
Learning about the draft class never happens much from ESPN, TNT, etc. We ALWAYS have to dig into the draft with youtube highlights and youtube scouts. Real NBA scouts are on twitter too... The 2nd best player of all times son can be drafted and it COULD have where Lebron gsigns implications... It's of course going to be talked about and it's really just bleacher report overdoing it, they're probably getting paid for it, meh. No biggie. it's such a fun storyline so I'm not going to act as if i don't get it.
The biggest thing about the draft should be about if any teams are trading out of the lottery for a pick further down the line in 2026, 2027, or 2028. I would like to see what the premium is between the different years. Could a lottery pick this year be worth a 17-21 next year or later?
he's also gonna have great intangibles whether he gets drafted this year or next. he's gonna have a excellent basketball obviously and his defense looks really good tbh
@@senoratreyu603 "intangibles" LMFAO! Based on what exactly? His dad? He averaged 4/2/2 last year for a team that went 15-18. Why didn't his intangibles show up last year?
tbf as someone who was also named after my father, he was set up for being compared for life before he even took his first breath, short of somehow topping lebrons career, he didnt stand a chance and it really is a shame
To be fair, he's not exactly close to toppling his father's legacy. At 19 LeBron averaged 20/5/5 in the NBA. At 19 Bronny averaged 4/2/2 in college. If his name was Kirk Hinrich Jr. he'd sill be a massive disappointment.
i think if they get into a system that allows them to pick and pop for threes, Baylor Scheierman or Alex Karaban could be sleeper picks and great role players on championship teams
The narrative around Bronny and this draft will be characterized completely by how Bronny and Bron perform the next couple years. If Bronny goes to LA, Bron stays and they make a couple solid playoff runs, we’ll remember the James duo positively and all the scrutiny around it will feel silly and bitter. If Bronny plays like shit and the team he’s on sucks then it’ll be another page in the “LeGM team killer what an asshole” hater Bible. Either way, I think a father and son getting to play together in any pro sport is cool
What do you think the odds are that a 4/2/2 college player contributes to an NBA roster? Based on the entire history of the NBA I would set the odds at 4,374:1
It’s not 1:1 but i always compare Bronny’s heart injury to Marco Rossi, who got myocarditis. It took Marco four years to become an effective NHL player, and the difference is Marco was ALWAYS considered to be one of the top players in his draft in an extremely strong class. Bronny is not going to be a good NBA player.
The Jazz, Knicks, and Wizards have their 2nd picks late in the 1st round. I could totally see the Jazz with tons of cap space and a lottery pick already would draft Bronny. Knicks dont have a lot of space but could pull it off, and Washington probably doesnt have a chance without some trades
I’m 100% convinced on his name alone he’ll get drafted in the second round every team is gonna wanna put him on their G League and imagine the ticket sales when they call him up to play Lebron James
This whole bronny James debacle is gonna be an example of what not to do when developing young talent, hes gonna be a mega bust with the way things are going
You need a team that isn’t rebuilding, isn’t in the playoffs, is ran by a questionable front office, and are desperate for more money. Bronny James will be drafted by the Chicago Bulls
Dude, I was watching a clip of how the NBA tryout attendees were doing and who won what events, and out of nowhere they said “Oh and Bronny finished 2nd in this highly specific event” wtf… dude will be lucky to make a D league roster, much less an NBA team.
They want to build his stardom, so he can be the feature or pull for the new 2nd night of the NBA draft. Still think its stupid that there is a second night for the draft.
Bron should go sign for the minimum. He could help any contending team win a championship as a top 15 player right now and it’s not like he needs the money.
I love how he says Zach Eddy is questioned (averaging 25 and 12) then spends the rest of the video trying to justify a guy who averaged 4/2/2 on a 15-18 team getting drafted.
For the record Lebron is not liked by many because of the diva antics, exhausting a teams draft capital, stat padding over winning, load management, standing for something until its too controversial, throwing teammates under the bus, never taking accountability, passive aggressively yelling at teammates not covering tor him not playing defense, calling himself the GOAT, etc. Has very little to do with what he did to do what he did in the east in the big picture. Its the headache or extra that comes with him.
Yes Jonathan Givony covers everyone but also he's one of the primary reasons Bronny gets this kind of coverage because he put him in the Lottery to start the season despite Bronny literally having a heart attack months prior, like that some insane clout goblin shit, and because Givony and Draftexrpress (who is a subsidiary of ESPN now since Mike Schmitz sold the site off) sets the pace for most scouts the Bronny as a prospect convo was immediately poisoned with polarized takes.
my only problem with the coverage is it invites all the hate lol. i don’t comment on things idc about, but others can’t do that. if they stop engaging with it they’ll stop posting. common sense 101
If Bronny really just wants to play then he should go to Europe. Its a different type of game and he can work on his skills without as much of a spotlight.
He wouldn't even get off the bench in the Euroleague. He averaged 4/2/2 on a team that went 15-18. If he had any other name you would correctly state he's just not a pro player, not yet at least.
I've said this before but all the attention on Bronny and his current situation could be a great litmus test for his younger brother Bryce James. Does he want to have the same circus when his time comes whether his skills might be greater or not? All the media focused on James potentially playing with his eldest son while Bryce continues to develop under the radar. When he is likely eligible to announce his NBA intentions should he want to do so his brother will probably be riding a bench somewhere while LeBron is recently retired and eyeing ownership of a franchise.
That's because he's the first nepo baby in basketball. If Jordan said he'd play for whatever team drafted his son, his son would have been drafted too.
the only reason this is a thing right now is because his dad is lebron james and cant help but screw up a roster and careers for his own ego. Bronny is a freshman in college who had a heart attack at the beggining of the season.... let him develop in college GOD DAMN!!!!
Can’t wait for Danny Ainge or Sam Presti to draft him and hold him for ransom
I'm hoping Detroit does this. 31 wins in two seasons combined and 2, #5 picks to show for it? Whole league gotta watch the James family rot under Tom Gores.
Lebron isn't going where Bronny's drafted unless it's someplace he actually wants to be.
Sam presti drafting him but it's bc he thinks he can be a legit 3 and D player off the bench in two years
If sam trusts him i trust him, he doesn't draft duds lol@charlesglass3004
No god please weve got a good thing down here@@charlesglass3004
"And with the 5th pick of the 2024 NBA Draft the Detroit Pistons select.... Bronny James from USC"
Pistons should take him, and give him 2 minutes a season in the g league. League has it in for us, attack their golden boy
@@Wake-up1776 the League has it in for you...cause you didn't get the 1st Pick in arguably the worst Draft Class in over a decade, after you got the 1st Pick three years ago but fail to develop him?
@TheMarslMcFly 22, 4 and 8 is a fail? Casual, nobody in nba history has ever slipped from 1 to 5 and Pistons have done that in back to back years, 3 straight years of getting the 5th pick
the funniest thing the pistons could do is draft bronny at 5
even funnier if that shit somehow worked out
@@Jaspy524Nah whats funny is the delusional people calling him a NBA player when he's clearly not
Detroit needs that shit
@jj47k. Best draft combine performance in day 2 🤷♂️🤷♂️ you can claim he's not nba worthy, but then if you wanna be logically consistent, you must also believe NO players in this draft class are NBA worthy 😂😂
@AntiContradiction Just say you have a Lebron poster in room with Lebron Screensaver on your phone. Alot of you boost his son's abilities only because of Lebron. And I'm not hating on the kid I'm just looking at through a non bias lens just like the different scouts and NBA GM's who agree with me.
This video topic is exactly the reason why I don’t watch ESPN anymore. I watch independent RUclipsrs now.
They're not much better.
@@KazeShikamaruyou have to search for them but they exist. no one’s perfect but the good analysts talk about these espn topics for a minute or so and then move on to something more substantive
@@KazeShikamaruThey are much better simply because you are guaranteed to find some kind of variety, whereas with ESPN you're tied to whatever the current narrative is
I hope nothing but the best for Bronny, but him getting wall to wall coverage on ESPN/FS1/Bleacher Report where analysts try to create an angle about how he will be an impact NBA player at some point when there are a lot of other NBA prospects more worth evaluating is unfair to Bronny, the other players in this draft and to the general basketball public
The biggest problem is that they straight up are ignoring like every single prospect this year. 😭 its insanity
Based on his college numbers, Bronny projects to average 0/0/0 in the NBA. Anyone pretending like he is anything other than a nepo baby exposes themselves.
@@BigBroKumathey act like guys like risacher and Sarr don’t got potential. Surprised they haven’t hyped up Sheppard or dillingham though (cause Suggs had hype coming out of Gonzaga when he got drafted)
@BigBroKuma well as it's been said, this draft apparently terrible so I guess the media needs something to talk about
Imagine guarding Bronny in the NBA "YOU AINT SHIT" "I GUARDED YO DAD WHERE HE AT?" "GET YO FATHER YOU AINT GETTING BY ME!"
and then the player gets suspended by the NBA for bullying after LeBron cries to the media like he always does
Seems like everyone is okay with a kid who has shown little to nothing to prove he belongs in the nba to just be drafted off the strength of his name this is a dangerous standard to set
Nepotism has been around well before the days of Alexander the Great, that standard had been set in literal stone
He hasn't even shown little. If anything, his stock should be in the negative.
@@ThugShakers4Christ lol you’re so mad
@@EnjoySackLunch not really, just watching stuff before work, and then won't think about it again until the season starts
BIG agree on the content loop in sports coverage. Years ago (during the summer of one of the warriors cavs years) I dogsitted for friends of my parents and left espn on most of the day. After 3-4 hours I had to be away from the TV because every show had the same talking points I swear. The next day was almost exactly the same with 1 new story and a couple new twists.
Honestly is why stuff from Secret Base and creators like yourself and Johnny Arnett is so refreshing 😅
It's unreal Lebron's power (Klutch's, too) in the basketball world, truly. Bronny was a good high school player who 'somehow' ended up as McDonalds All American (even though he wasn't even first team all conference in his home league). And from there it's just assumed he was awesome. But he shows essentially nothing in his freshman year at USC, which is fine, college can take some getting used to. But now that he declares for the draft (and we find out he's 2" shorter than listed!), it's back to the narrative that he was a high school 5 Star and McD All American, so he must be good. Looks like it's going to take him being on a NBA roster to find out he's a so-so basketball player (or worse). Which is really quite something when you think about it.
I mean he was returning from cardiac arrest
@@funguyvarna7465 Sure. But that has no impact on my main point, he's always been up-valued because of his dad rather than how good he actually was.
Is this the narrative excuse yall are going to run with 10 years later?@@funguyvarna7465
also feels like all the media has been covering is how bad the draft is. I don't watch college or anything but I would normally know at least the names of the lottery guys, this year i've literally heard nothing from any youtuber/media about anyone except edey or bronny post-march madness
It might be because I watch SROS but I know quite a few of the top prospects
I only know some of the prospects due to myleague rebuilds I've been doing💀
@@DigitalSpitalthat’s the only way ik who’s coming in and I remember Tyrese Maxey rebuild one year he was crazy good at PG and played kinda like he does actually
A big issue is that the sheer volume of comments for some of these big media sources on social media means that they won't read the actual comments and just look at the engagement numbers. There could be 10 million comments saying that people don't want so much Bronny James coverage and the company would just see "Look at all that engagement! More Bronny James stories!"
"Let's talk about Dalton Knecht" - no one, ever
Mark titus has said this
Or even Alex Sarr 😭 Ion even know if dude speaks english
Dude is one of the more solid guys in this draft not a star but a Jaquez Jr type older guy who can step in day 1 and provide u solid IQ and shot making
@@BigBroKuma I mean, he is French so that definitely is a concern lmao, but then again he's been hooping in the US and Australia the last three years lol
gotta be slow or something, ofc he speaks English, he played in Australia and is young. almost all international prospects speak 2-3 languages (English being very common.)
@@BigBroKuma
He’s a 6’2” 2 guard who couldn’t crack 6 PPG, with heart problems. I’ve got to assume USC would have loved him to be a great player, considering the attention he would bring the program, so I doubt it was the team not giving him a chance.
In all honesty, I think he’s got a shot at being the worst player of his generation. Small 2 guards who can’t score at the college level don’t typically last long in the NBA.
What are we talking about here? Saying it’s unfair to suggest his dad is the only reason he’ll make the NBA is crazy. It’s honestly disrespectful to the fringe NBA players to suggest he deserves a shot on merit. His resume does not stack up against anybody in the league.
If you just look at him objectively and ignore his last name he absolutely projects to be the worst player ever drafted in the NBA. 4/2/2 on a 15-18 college team means he projects to be a 0/0/0 guy in the NBA. Could he improve? Some, but based on what we've seen the only stat he's contributing to would be the +/-, and only the - part.
Also, he's not one of these guys who will benefit from having a nutritionist and trainer in the NBA, because he's had them his entire life. He's not gonna be like Jimmy Butler or Kawhi where he can make a big jump while already in the NBA because he's finally eating, sleeping, working out and practicing correctly with all the necessary trainers/coaches in place. Bronny has already had all of that in place his entire life.
19 years of professional nutritionists, trainers, coaches, etc... and he's a 4/2/2 guy on a 15-18 college team. If LeBron had all the benefits his kid grew up with? (Assuming he keeps the same drive and doesn't slack off) He'd be averaging 40/20/20 and probably have 15 titles.
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@kenfresno2125 yo you made a great point. If Lebron grew up like Bronny he’d be the undisputed goat by a significant margin
Worst in this generation ? Shut up
@@gabrielmosler3454No u
i unfollowed bleacherreport like a year ago, and the brainrot has just gotten even worse
The main part of this that really hits for me is "let me learn about the other players". Enjoying sports is partly about narratives and part of what the sports media is supposed to do is give you the tools to construct a narrative out of events (including the draft). If all you hear about is Bronny, you lack the tools to interpret what's going on in the draft to construct that story. And without that why would you even watch or care about the draft? It actively undermines the whole purpose of even covering the draft in the first place.
Saying Jordan's kids didn't have the talent to get drafted is pretty goofy considering Bronny averaged 4/2/2 in college. Can you show me a single instance of anyone averaging 4/2/2 in college and getting drafted? If Jordan had said he would go play for whatever team drafted his son, like LeBron did, his son would have been drafted.
The second Bron announces his retirement Bronny is getting cut.
Jordans son with the goggles was decent. Idk if he got buckets but I remember he was a pretty good pg
Peyton Watson Watson avg 3/3/1 and was drafted in the first round. It happens more often then you would expect it to
@@boshix8130 Peyton is 6'7. Guys with height get drafted for potential. Not short guys like Bronny with no exceptional skill.
@@mostmost1Well now you are moving the goal post. You originally ask about ppg
@@abrahamabraham1019 I didn't ask about anything so how I move the goal post?
Your missing the whole point of why some with low to no college stats make the nba. Height. That's not my argument that's the history of this league.
The best path for bronny is to go undrafted, have the burden of media coverage lifted off his back and work back into the NBA via a developmental league. The hype and hate being put on American athletes is pretty sad and sometimes heading overseas to escape the attention is the best move.
Yes I do want him to join the Sydney Kings and I am 100% biased
He should of stayed in college
Bronny is projected as the 54th best prospect. In the 2021 NBA Draft the Bucks at owned picked 54 and drafted Sandro Mamukelashvili. Compare those 2 players both supposedly worth pick 54.
Mamu 18/8/3 leader of his team Seton Hall avg 36MPG and shot 34% from 3pt. Size 6'11" 245lbs
Bronny 5/3/2 bench rider of USC avg 19MPG and shot 27% from 3pt. Size 6'1" 220lbs.
Compare these 2 players and tell me Bronny is anywhere near worth pick 54?? Be honest with yourself please!
Sandro Mamukelashvili is still in the NBA playing with the Spurs behind Wemby who ate up a lot of his playing time this past season.
This is what makes me frustrated about the Bronny James discussion. He can barely perform at the NCAA level and yet if you say he’s gonna fail being in a league full of the top 450 basketball players in the world, you get labeled a hater. If he wasn’t related to LeBron James, he’d go undrafted because his skill level isn’t where it needs to be. Simple as.
this take would make sense if alex sarr wasn’t averaging 9 5 and a block in australia and still the top prospect
@@sukie7689 dude is 7' footer and playing in a league tht doesnt play young players. Bad comparison
I'm a die hard Seton Hall fan, I loved watching Mamu. Shame he's been stuck behind Giannis and now Wemby and hasn't had a chance to really shine yet.
@@hwoarangthedoorbell he didn't even perform at the NCAA level lol. He could barely come off the bench for a non tournament time so that shows how well he performed.
NBA media people don't actually follow college at all its nuts
maybe because it's NBA media and not College Basketball Media
Or International basketball, but considering their coverage of Porzingis, or Luka, or so many others, yeah.... I'm not surprised.
6:25 You still don't get it. I and many others don't hate Lebron because we're butthurt he beat our teams, that's a bronsexual type narrative. Many of us hate him because ALL discourse about actual, tangible flaws in his game, how he leads teams, and his inability to take responsibility for anything other than success gets labeled as "hatin" with excuse after excuse just like their king.
Bronsexuals poisoned the discourse long ago and it's only gotten worse as the media CAN NOT even give so much as light criticism to Mr. Sunshine so much so that everyone, every other era must be put down to make him look better. It's pick-me girl behavior.
Y’all mad about the hummer. But love Kobe the rapist and Jordan the gambler.
This dude is clearly a Bron fan considering he blew past a guy averaging 25/12 in college being questioned so he could talk about how it's unfair to judge 4/2/2 Bronny.
@@dashaunhuston94 I'm a Pistons fan (unfortunately), so believe me when I say fuck both of those guys, fuck the Bulls and especially the Lakers. That said, gambling? Really? MJ was an asshole in many ways and the only thing you can criticize is gambling? Are you even trying?
Kofie, your coverage will be the only media I will willing to engage in on Bronny James
Lebron bouta pull the biggest heist of the century
That's some of the beauty of channels like yours because we get a fresh perspective. I can't stand the NBA news cycle and the goat debate etc. I'm not sure if you've done it already but I'd like to hear your opinions on the draft prospects. Thanks for the content
"Fresh perspective" hahahaha. Bro mentions Zach Eddy being questioned, then spends the entire video telling us why it's wrong to question a guy who put up 4/2/2 on a 15-18 team.
Bronny would make a great 4 year point guard for the Jayhawks
Yeah he's not tall enough to play on Duke. 🤭
He's no Kirk Hinrich.
all of the bronny coverage has gotten so bizarre and out of control that im genuinely rooting for him to succeed at this point. like yeah he’s lebron’s son and all but all the coverage he’s getting is mostly through that lens and i feel kinda bad for him. he should definitely stay another year in college, and even though i am genuinely pulling for him, considering how physically demanding the nba is, i do kinda wonder if playing pro basketball at all is a good idea for him, considering his heart problems tbh
He need 2 retire his lil bro the 1 wit the NBA body fr anyways ain't no shame in finding a new lane
@@thomaswood2418 Bryce is not the one either
@@kmm.7289 sh1t no argument there
also as an incredibly biased uconn fan, clingan has an amazing story. he's from ct, he played this march madness wearing his late mom's number, and went back to back in one of the most dominant march madness runs of all time.
I think the difference between this class and other ones is its not just that there's no consensus number one but people in the know seem to think there isn't even really a high ceiling player (literally means nothing)
absolutely love the way you go about it basketball discourse. i would recommend putting a lil music behind you talking tho, as you’re a much more relaxed commentator.
He does have music playing in the background. But I think you'd need to wear headphones to hear it
Why do you think that an 18 year old young man whose suffered a cardiac event is going to be a real competitive basketball player, name one player in history whose had a heart attack and played, this kid should never compete, no father would wish this upon their child
Yeah I noticed that they didn’t talk about any of the top picks. It’s like espn is acting like the public media by only talking about the popular subjects. They should be talking about sarr and dillingham
I would say the majority of people that hate LeBron hate him for his personality and bad character traits. He comes off as arrogant, he doesn't take accountability very often , he plays the blame game, and he cries when things aren't going his way. It also doesn't help that sports media pushes narratives for him that are working for him via clutch sports . Most of LeBron James hate is for self inflicted reasons.
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This the one right here 💯💪🏾
All of that is nonsense. What examples of any of that behavior can you point to? Most of those lies came from CLE bc the owner hated him for leaving. If LeBron was so bad, why was he so excited to get him back four years later? You guys are just gullible. Skip said it, must be true. SAS said it, must be true. Meanwhile, we've seen both of them tell blatant lies.
I'm just going to say when I've talked to any person about Bronny (none are media affiliated) I haven't heard a soul put Bronny on the same trajectory as Lebron. We all know he is not him and will have his own career, at his own pace. There are no special expectations here.
He can be a solid NBA role player, but he needs all four college years to get there
I disagree the collage came translate worse then the high school game and I would rather him play on a 2 way and get minutes in the g league
I heavily disagree 😭 depends on the college tho cause college systems are comolete dogshit compared to the NBA especially USC's system this past season it's a big part of why Isiah Collier led the nation in turnovers 😭😭😭
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Bro averaged 4/2/2 on a 15-18 college team. If he wasn't LeBron's son he'd be transferring to a D2 school.
he has shown nothing in high school or college to show that he can get there. if we are going on theoretical scenarios then everyone has a chance to make it to the NBA if all it takes is 4 years of college. The kid has poor handles, can't drive to the basket, can't shoot free throws, can't run the point and he is the size of a point guard. He has good shooting form though and a decent floater and tries hard on defense but gets scored on pretty easy. The kid has potential yes but right now he cannot even keep up against lackluster pac-12 players.
Thank you for talking about this and taking the whole perspective that there are other draft prospects. I have gone to other channels and have been spoken to very nasty for asking the question of discussing other draft prospects besides Bronny.
2 things i've hated the most;1with alot of former athletes pushing journalists out the way AS SOON as they retire now the amount of ppl who personally know Lebron so they walk on eggshells when talking about Bronny is crazy!2 it feels like Lebron is lightweight doing his son a disservice and it seems like he kinda feels like "Oh i'll get him right once he get here" 😂the NBA is easy TO ONLY YOU BRON idk if you can give yo son a cheat code😂 bc EVEN IF BRONNY PANS OUT this is clearly the wrong move, he clearly needs a yr or 2! He should be doing everything to give his son the best chance to succeed and coming out after 1yr as a projected late 2nd in a weak class after not playing well on a team that wasn't good.....isn't setting yourself up 2 succeed ASK GELO BALL
It definitely is nepotism if he gets drafted this year. There are at least 100 other guys who deserve it more than him. Even if he was the biggest stand out star in the combine he's only there this year because of nepotism. And that sucks because I think he has the potential to actually earn it for himself in a year or two.
The kid had a cardiac event, it can’t be overlooked, it’s heartbreaking that people are pretending this isn’t pretending this t a car wreck of an issue
This is exactly the discourse I was looking for on bronny as a prospect. Thank you, Kofie
FACTS the media is soooo bad they only talk about lebron and bronny because they know it gets views and clicks its so sad.. they do the same to bryce james on social media post they'll use bryce picture and not the leading scorer on the team or the top players they'll throw in a picture of bronny or bryce on the graphic for views. i love bronny but the media has got to cover him like they do every other 2nd round pick and let him go about his journey all their doing is bringing more hate upon him
The problem with Lebrons handling of this is he personally came out and said he wanted to play with his son. That essentially put his son on the clock to make it to the league. Instead of taking another year to develop, he’s going to the league to live out his dad’s pipe dream.
Im a casual but i kinda wanna see him go undrafted and work on his game whether its in college or in another league
It shows a poor product when they have to put so much attention in one man, and now his son.
This has to be the first draft class where the two most talked about prospects aren’t supposed to even be lottery picks
Super weird draft. Lot's of foreign talent but everything seems like a gamble in this draft. As for Bronny James, he's a 6'1 shooting guard that doesn't create much in iso and has had a spotty shooting record at best. Also he has a potentially lethal congenitive heart defect. Nobody is drafting that. Nobody.
Hmmm idk it's not about the production in terms of the real analysts. He ranks where he does because of his defense and athleticism. And he can play both the 1 and the 2. In terms of shooting that's not really a big deal cause a lot of coaches have the "I can fix him mindset" and ti be fair to them they have fixed a lot of prospects shooting forms so he'd just be a 2nd round pick. Not saying whether its right or not but if he wasn't a James he'd prob be a 2nd round pick or a UDFA put on a 2 way contract to develop
@@BigBroKuma There wouldn't even be a conversation about this incredibly ridiculous proposition if his last name wasn't James. Bronny James is 6'1 and at that size he will always be a defensive liability. He had an insanely bad year of college basketball and has an extremely serious medical condition. There is no planet where Bronny James even sniffs the draft unless a team dumb or desperate enough to blow a draft pick on the off chance LeBron will come along with the package.
It’s so crazy to me, the media will will look for any reason to slam an actual superstar - “he only averaged 25 this series” or “he missed the game winning shot”.
But they’ll put themselves in traction to justify LeBron’s kid, who did nothing of note on a team that did nothing of note, as an NBA draft pick.
The NBA only has two round.
It seems disrespectful to the 60th-best basketball player outside the NBA to suggest Bronny’s better than they are.
Literally the first person i have ever heard say they were excited about the WNBA unironically
None of this will matter. He’s Lebron’s son, he will be drafted early, then the press will spend years telling you he’s goat
This is horrible that none of these other players are getting no covage its sad and we all kno this is all payed for....
Fellow Pistons fan.
I could absolutely see us doing it for attendance and merch sales alone. 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
Stop watching espn in 2024.
Some very solid takes. Subscribed!
It’s really about impact. No other rookie can make a difference like even old lebron.
Maybe not initially but most teams would rather have a decent-good rookie who could be with the team or retain trade value for 10+ years for cheap instead of taking a Lebron level cap hit for the probably about 2 years he’ll stay. The only team I could see needing a distributor/veteran presence like that would be maybe San Antonio
This could've been a 5 minute video.
Idk man. The James family kinda did this to themselves. Lebron could’ve stayed quiet about playing with bronny. Bronny could’ve declined entering the draft. So no sympathy deserved
Learning about the draft class never happens much from ESPN, TNT, etc. We ALWAYS have to dig into the draft with youtube highlights and youtube scouts. Real NBA scouts are on twitter too... The 2nd best player of all times son can be drafted and it COULD have where Lebron gsigns implications... It's of course going to be talked about and it's really just bleacher report overdoing it, they're probably getting paid for it, meh. No biggie. it's such a fun storyline so I'm not going to act as if i don't get it.
The biggest thing about the draft should be about if any teams are trading out of the lottery for a pick further down the line in 2026, 2027, or 2028.
I would like to see what the premium is between the different years. Could a lottery pick this year be worth a 17-21 next year or later?
Same I'm wondering if any teams are gonna trade out
ESPN gonna do a Bronnycenter on draft night like they did for Tebow
So Bronny not even better than the two guards he played with in college? Tells you all you need to know
We actually talking about a player who average 4 points in college, HOW IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE 😂😂
He’s gonna make the NBA either this year or the next, it’s just inevitable with it being LeBrons last years in the league
he's also gonna have great intangibles whether he gets drafted this year or next. he's gonna have a excellent basketball obviously and his defense looks really good tbh
@@senoratreyu603Man stfu iam sick of you people. Like you know wtf you're talking about.
@@senoratreyu603 "intangibles" LMFAO! Based on what exactly? His dad? He averaged 4/2/2 last year for a team that went 15-18. Why didn't his intangibles show up last year?
I love this content, Kofie!
tbf as someone who was also named after my father, he was set up for being compared for life before he even took his first breath, short of somehow topping lebrons career, he didnt stand a chance and it really is a shame
To be fair, he's not exactly close to toppling his father's legacy. At 19 LeBron averaged 20/5/5 in the NBA. At 19 Bronny averaged 4/2/2 in college. If his name was Kirk Hinrich Jr. he'd sill be a massive disappointment.
i think if they get into a system that allows them to pick and pop for threes, Baylor Scheierman or Alex Karaban could be sleeper picks and great role players on championship teams
Just say Jr and Sr so you won’t have to get mixed up everyone’s gonna get that mixed up tho
The narrative around Bronny and this draft will be characterized completely by how Bronny and Bron perform the next couple years.
If Bronny goes to LA, Bron stays and they make a couple solid playoff runs, we’ll remember the James duo positively and all the scrutiny around it will feel silly and bitter.
If Bronny plays like shit and the team he’s on sucks then it’ll be another page in the “LeGM team killer what an asshole” hater Bible. Either way, I think a father and son getting to play together in any pro sport is cool
What do you think the odds are that a 4/2/2 college player contributes to an NBA roster? Based on the entire history of the NBA I would set the odds at 4,374:1
It’s not 1:1 but i always compare Bronny’s heart injury to Marco Rossi, who got myocarditis. It took Marco four years to become an effective NHL player, and the difference is Marco was ALWAYS considered to be one of the top players in his draft in an extremely strong class. Bronny is not going to be a good NBA player.
They gonna make a third round specifically for this scenario
Could we get some recommendations for basketball RUclipsrs going? Would be nice to learn about some new folks or shoutout folks doing good work.
"oh that's the fifth pick, imma skip that"
The Jazz, Knicks, and Wizards have their 2nd picks late in the 1st round. I could totally see the Jazz with tons of cap space and a lottery pick already would draft Bronny.
Knicks dont have a lot of space but could pull it off, and Washington probably doesnt have a chance without some trades
I’m 100% convinced on his name alone he’ll get drafted in the second round every team is gonna wanna put him on their G League and imagine the ticket sales when they call him up to play Lebron James
This whole bronny James debacle is gonna be an example of what not to do when developing young talent, hes gonna be a mega bust with the way things are going
You need a team that isn’t rebuilding, isn’t in the playoffs, is ran by a questionable front office, and are desperate for more money.
Bronny James will be drafted by the Chicago Bulls
Dude, I was watching a clip of how the NBA tryout attendees were doing and who won what events, and out of nowhere they said “Oh and Bronny finished 2nd in this highly specific event” wtf… dude will be lucky to make a D league roster, much less an NBA team.
Honestly, Lebron isnt doing him any favors by constantly putting him in the spotlight
How can you enter NBA averaging 5 points a game? Anyone on any playground get to enter the draft now ?
They want to build his stardom, so he can be the feature or pull for the new 2nd night of the NBA draft. Still think its stupid that there is a second night for the draft.
Bron should go sign for the minimum. He could help any contending team win a championship as a top 15 player right now and it’s not like he needs the money.
Zach Eddy is good! He was keeping Purdue in it!
I love how he says Zach Eddy is questioned (averaging 25 and 12) then spends the rest of the video trying to justify a guy who averaged 4/2/2 on a 15-18 team getting drafted.
Cleveland can draft bronny so he can do a farewell tour back home
the economy of cleveland STILL revolves around lebron james, along with the economy of Bristol CT
If Lejoke says it, I know it is crap.
Tbh Alex Sarr is the consensus #1 pick. Unless Detroit got the #1 pick you should be drafting Alex Sarr.
For the record Lebron is not liked by many because of the diva antics, exhausting a teams draft capital, stat padding over winning, load management, standing for something until its too controversial, throwing teammates under the bus, never taking accountability, passive aggressively yelling at teammates not covering tor him not playing defense, calling himself the GOAT, etc. Has very little to do with what he did to do what he did in the east in the big picture. Its the headache or extra that comes with him.
What's to stop another team from drafting bronny, and then holding lebron and the lakers hostage?
LeBron being a liar. He won't go to any team that can't win a title, because his personal glory is more important than anything else.
Yes Jonathan Givony covers everyone but also he's one of the primary reasons Bronny gets this kind of coverage because he put him in the Lottery to start the season despite Bronny literally having a heart attack months prior, like that some insane clout goblin shit, and because Givony and Draftexrpress (who is a subsidiary of ESPN now since Mike Schmitz sold the site off) sets the pace for most scouts the Bronny as a prospect convo was immediately poisoned with polarized takes.
my only problem with the coverage is it invites all the hate lol. i don’t comment on things idc about, but others can’t do that. if they stop engaging with it they’ll stop posting. common sense 101
If Bronny really just wants to play then he should go to Europe. Its a different type of game and he can work on his skills without as much of a spotlight.
He wouldn't even get off the bench in the Euroleague. He averaged 4/2/2 on a team that went 15-18. If he had any other name you would correctly state he's just not a pro player, not yet at least.
@kenfresno2125 get off bronny meat you have 50 comments glazing bro
I've said this before but all the attention on Bronny and his current situation could be a great litmus test for his younger brother Bryce James. Does he want to have the same circus when his time comes whether his skills might be greater or not? All the media focused on James potentially playing with his eldest son while Bryce continues to develop under the radar. When he is likely eligible to announce his NBA intentions should he want to do so his brother will probably be riding a bench somewhere while LeBron is recently retired and eyeing ownership of a franchise.
the funniest possible outcome is the pistons drafting bronny at 5
I could see Atlanta getting Bronny just for Lebron weird fit with Trae.
For me, it's another reason to hate LeBron. It's nepotism, full stop. Bronny isn't a draftable prospect.
I want madness...I want my team the Chicago Bulls to draft Bronny James.
Bronny needs a year or two of sitting, or playing at a mid size major with a coach that believes in him
The greatest nba crashout
Lebron can’t sign for the league minimum. There are rules in place to prevent this from happening
I could see Bronny going anywhere from the lottery to undrafted, never seen anything like it before.
That's because he's the first nepo baby in basketball. If Jordan said he'd play for whatever team drafted his son, his son would have been drafted too.
If jordans kid played in the age of social media, 1 would've made it, atleast
the only reason this is a thing right now is because his dad is lebron james and cant help but screw up a roster and careers for his own ego. Bronny is a freshman in college who had a heart attack at the beggining of the season.... let him develop in college GOD DAMN!!!!
You also gotta add money, if you have a chance at getting Bron even for a YEAR you get paid. Especially his last ones in the league
The NBA has revenue sharing. Your team making more money just means you have to put more money in the pot for the rest of the teams in the league.