Ok just so everyone knows things I've tried or looked at are starter is not stuck but did try another starter still the same deal don't see anything wrong with the flexplate, checked the sensors nothing touching. Bearings look good, timing chain isn't rubbing anything, the rector wheel doesn't look like it's rubbing anything. Starting to think maybe something with the cam or lifters but really can't see why haha.
I believe that there's a gasket that's behind the upper timing gear that likes to blow out and that all it to not get oil to the upper end Brent. Something like that anyways
I'd look very carefully behind the flywheel because that's the only spot that you can't take off and look because the way it's mounted on the stand so maybe there's something flopping down in between the flywheel and the block
Hey Brent, as a retired funeral director I'd say you did one bang up job of resurrecting a cremated 6L LS. Great work and a very gratifying video. Claim success whenever you can. Take care my friend. Thanks and we'll see you next time.
Thank you for continuing to make these videos by the way. Your positivity is one of those indelible things that I think wears off on all of us. You definitely been through a rough patch and it's awesome to see the way you deal with it.
@icu22day well... I suppose I mean to imply that his positive attitude seems not easily erased so far as I can see. . That positivity, is inspiring.. So. Perhaps grammatically, that might make more sense to say.
The noise can simply be from the fact your engine is on a stand, not on rubber mount as it is in a car ( maybe 😉) In any case you have done a good job with this engine revival
Ehh, it'll reveal itself, just really glad to see you digging in on a late night session where what the shop is almost does'nt matter. Hope you enjoyed a wobble pop to close it out, cheers
Nothing phases you. Just keep pushing through. Two sensors on throttle body, throttle position sensor and idle air control. Sounds like starter dragging on flywheel. Common failure. Something with starter drive returning. Windage tray.
Brent I have no experience with the 6 lt but since you can hear that noise at about midway back in the engine and loudest near the oil pan rail I believe it originates in the crankshaft or cam area. Since you have already removed the pan and windage tray and found no wear marks or on the dipstick or tube either, I suggest this. Remove the valve covers and use the starter to rotate the engine while watching all the rockers movements. All moving up and down fairly equally? Loose or bent pushrods? Bad lifters or cam? Compression test it? Also, possibly a sloppy timing chain set. Maybe remove the intake and valley cover to inspect the lifters and cam. Cam position sensor rubbing on the reluctor? Remove the bolt and lift the sensor an 1/8 inch or so. Or you may just elect to shove it in a corner somewhere and deal with this if or when you decide to stick it into something.
Probably valve train lash from a bad roller lifter. Only you and Pablo can do a will it run on the engine stand! That was awesome. Keep up the good work 👍
This is looking at disaster in the face and saying I am moving on, you aren't going to stop me. Awesome! Watching this had me all over the place with my emotions of my own struggles. Keep on keeping on my friend.
Can not believe how good an attitude you have Brent, I would be so upset that it has a little problem after doing so much to the engine for what you started with. Call it a Win
There is a reason it is making that rubbing noise. Timing chains, flywheels, tensioners and what ever else that is connected to the crankshaft….what ever it is, the engine ran pretty good for it being in a fire. I agree with you….. it is a win.. you will probably find the cause by accident….
Brent, you add a new dimension to the typical "Will it run" videos. Your videos explaining fuel injection, ECUs and wiring connections will be valued by the next generation of car restorers.
You are putting heads from a smaller engine onto a larger engine. The chamber size must be smaller on the aluminium heads to maintain the same compression ratio between the two engines. It is therefore possible that the valves are touching without bending. Also it appears to be running rougher than I would expect. Check compression and check pistons with your borescope. :)
You'll figure it out Brent because that what you do. On a side note, during the engine cleaning there was no music during that part so I played "Burlesque Heartache by RKVC" that I had downloaded. There, much better.😁❤
Sounds like a piece of metal is rubbing on the flywheel teeth. ???? Or the Starter hanging up slighty and the pinion hitting the flywheel teeth like barely. ????
6.0 truck motors have cast iron heads. My 2009 Silverado 2500HD has iron heads. 14 years of trouble free reliability. She'll be fine, just needs new accessories and a cleanup. Thanks Brent! Cheers from Utah.
Try the ol hose trick to the ear and move around the engine to center in where the noise is, how about a electrical spark, it’s a very constant sound, turn the lights out , might see a steady flash….my first thought was timing chain
Being it went through the almighty of a heat cycle….. there could be several of the lifters out of round and not fully traveling in their bores, making both rattle and drag noises. Best bet would be to give her the Ol’ wooden dowel listen and pinpoint precisely where the noise is actually coming from. To me, it sounds like a warped reluctor wheel….. but, that would be at the rear. Not under/around cylinder 4. If it’s NOT the reluctor. It’s some pretty serious piston slap. Like the piston is rocking back and forth multiple times with each revolution. Sounds serrated, w/e it is. First thought was that wobbly looking flexplate. Its teeth don’t look boogered, tho. Can’t wait to find out what you learn!
Given the Balancer was cooked, could the timing chains/guides have been affected by the fire, or a bit of crap floating around? My first idea was the Windage tray, but that seems to not have any rub marks.... Self clearance is my only other solution 🤣. Cheers from Australia😃👍
Old faithful Pablo, da 6 liter's a quandry ya know, from crispy ta crunchy like a taco, she's bouncing on dat engine stand say'n let me go, take da time n da noise will be no mo. Cut an old truck frame in half that had an Ls, mount a radiator in it and use the frame as a portable engine stand, with or without transmission.
I had an old harmonic balancer that had spun on the rubber, made a heck of a noise. Maybe the fire melted the dampener rubber?? It does sound like one of those old “rattler” balancers. Anyway, I’m very confident Pablo will lead you to it soon. 😂
It’s hard to hear any noise on the video but I believe you there’s a noise. As many other people have said your flex plate might be the problem could be to light and the plate may be rubbing. I also when back and rewatched the video and zoomed in and I think I saw flex plate did looking like it may have a slight bend in it so that may be rubbing a little bit. Will keep trying to figure it out I will let you know if I think of anything else. Later
Love hangin' with you Brent... Goood to c the supervisor hangin' with ya too. 🐶 Amazing what you did with that engine...👍 awesome knowledge brother 🤠 Amazing grace...🙏 YES , IT'S STILL A WIN
A bent windage try? but also sound like the start gear is not completely seated..hmmm I know you'll find because that is who you are.....Keep the faith, Love the Vids! Build On!!!
It was fun to watch ya and see this LS coming back to life after all it went through with that fire. Hope that you'll find the source of the noise. Later !
@@dartvader9939 I agree with his talent and all the parts he's got laying around there a engine run stand would be a welcome addiction to his shop not only for his use but for us and followers seeing him build and test them out would make great content and I'm like you I'd watch those videos all day..
Glad to see you working hard again. It’s been a long road. Cant wait to see more updates an projects and many more videos soon Brett. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Fab On. Weld On. Keep Making. God bless.
Hello, Great videos. The first time cranking it sounded like the flexplate was hitting something on the back of the block or a bolt on the engine stand. Best wishes. With the shake at idle, I'd do a compression test.
Brent check that dipstick maybe it is in too far ??????? JUST A THOUGHT AS IT HAS NO STOP ON IT sorry about the capital letters must have hit the caps lock.........where can we get a HA bucket cap ??????? love you videos keep them coming BOBBYCOKE
Great job buddy, I’m glad that you at least had one to be able to save. It’s sad too loose so many toys, but I totally have faith in you. Your friend always. Kevin
The old line, "The operation was a complete success but the patient died!" comes to mind. 🤣 I don't think it could be anything major or the engine just wouldn't run that well. The only thing that comes to mind is the timing chain slapping the cover. But I expect you already looked for evidence of that. Is it possible that the oil pan is slightly more shallow than the one you took off? Perhaps the oil sump tube is tapping against the bottom of the pan.
Wow ! Sir you're the only person on RUclips I've ever seen do this. When you trimmed that wiring harness,all I could do was shake my head. There's no way I would've even thought about doing what all you done. They should call you the Modern Day Mc Gyver. Best at what you hands down. My hats off to ya Sir. Many Blessings to you and the family ❤😊
On the video, it sounds like lifters. However, I have heard cracked flywheels sound the same way. About drove me crazy trying to find that. Outside of that, it 's a win in my book too. Considering what it went through and how it looked, running at all is just plain amazing. Good job!
Time to use your mechanics stethoscope to narrow down where the noise is concentrated…had similar noise years ago ended up being one of the bolts on the flex plate rubbing.
Detonation maybe? Computer throwing off the timing for some reason? It sounds like a diesel, and it shouldn't. Otherwise, the engine looks sound. I;ve got faith you'll figure it out
Excellent video Brent :) , Pablo The Supervisor Dog 🐕, I say check Crankshaft pulley if of timing marks if not maybe Crankshaft out balance from heat from fire plus Camshaft too ! Maybe piston rings needs change on every cylinders too and hopefully find out why also be almost anything maybe last one be PSI on each cylinders different too ! So many things are possible but get resolved soon Brent :) ! Don't Forget Have Some Nice Sleep On To and if comes mind when sleeping write down before forget it is!
I’m 76 years old and watched you build the General It inspired me for one more build. I’m doing a 1947 Dodge pickup on a Chevy 4x4 frame and running gear . So I call it a Dodgrolet. I’ll send pictures when I figure how to. Sorry to see what happened to your shop. Can’t wait to see you in the new shop.
Hello Brent, you are amazing. I just got through cleaning the three major black and white engine grounds, and both knock sensors on my sister's 2007 5.3 chevy. I should have waited for this video. Your knowledge and watching you is educational, teaches us not to give up, and troubleshoot our way through. Another excellent video, thank you again and I will be waiting for the next class Master Tech.
Ok just so everyone knows things I've tried or looked at are starter is not stuck but did try another starter still the same deal don't see anything wrong with the flexplate, checked the sensors nothing touching. Bearings look good, timing chain isn't rubbing anything, the rector wheel doesn't look like it's rubbing anything. Starting to think maybe something with the cam or lifters but really can't see why haha.
I believe that there's a gasket that's behind the upper timing gear that likes to blow out and that all it to not get oil to the upper end Brent. Something like that anyways
That did sound like upper end problems to me
Flywheel bolts too long ?
many LS have problems with worn rocker's bushings ?
Plastic timing chain damper, maybe melted into lower areas?
Dr Brent is in the burn ward saving a critical burn victim ! Way to go! great video !
I'd look very carefully behind the flywheel because that's the only spot that you can't take off and look because the way it's mounted on the stand so maybe there's something flopping down in between the flywheel and the block
Hey Brent, as a retired funeral director I'd say you did one bang up job of resurrecting a cremated 6L LS. Great work and a very gratifying video. Claim success whenever you can. Take care my friend. Thanks and we'll see you next time.
Thank you for continuing to make these videos by the way. Your positivity is one of those indelible things that I think wears off on all of us. You definitely been through a rough patch and it's awesome to see the way you deal with it.
@icu22day well... I suppose I mean to imply that his positive attitude seems not easily erased so far as I can see. .
That positivity, is inspiring..
So. Perhaps grammatically, that might make more sense to say.
Thanks Brent.
The noise can simply be from the fact your engine is on a stand, not on rubber mount as it is in a car ( maybe 😉) In any case you have done a good job with this engine revival
Ehh, it'll reveal itself, just really glad to see you digging in on a late night session where what the shop is almost does'nt matter. Hope you enjoyed a wobble pop to close it out, cheers
Always amazing how Pablo just hangs out with all the action going on around him. Outstanding Poochie
Morning Brent.......at least it runs, you will get it figured out..
Nothing phases you. Just keep pushing through.
Two sensors on throttle body, throttle position sensor and idle air control.
Sounds like starter dragging on flywheel. Common failure. Something with starter drive returning. Windage tray.
The man never gives up! 💯
Good Job, you are brave!
Watching a tent wiggle the harness and look at it perplexed reminded me of
Clark W Griswold when his house wouldn’t light up
Brent I have no experience with the 6 lt but since you can hear that noise at about midway back in the engine and loudest near the oil pan rail I believe it originates in the crankshaft or cam area. Since you have already removed the pan and windage tray and found no wear marks or on the dipstick or tube either, I suggest this. Remove the valve covers and use the starter to rotate the engine while watching all the rockers movements. All moving up and down fairly equally? Loose or bent pushrods? Bad lifters or cam? Compression test it? Also, possibly a sloppy timing chain set. Maybe remove the intake and valley cover to inspect the lifters and cam. Cam position sensor rubbing on the reluctor? Remove the bolt and lift the sensor an 1/8 inch or so.
Or you may just elect to shove it in a corner somewhere and deal with this if or when you decide to stick it into something.
He picks up an engine that's burnt to a crisp and says "I don't see why it shouldn't run". Priceless.
Probably valve train lash from a bad roller lifter. Only you and Pablo can do a will it run on the engine stand! That was awesome. Keep up the good work 👍
The head of a bolt on the flywheel is catching on something back there. That's where my money is bet.
You are a patient man Brett.
This is looking at disaster in the face and saying I am moving on, you aren't going to stop me. Awesome! Watching this had me all over the place with my emotions of my own struggles. Keep on keeping on my friend.
If I'm not mistaken Lq4's are externally balanced and Lm7 are internal. That wouldn't make noise but cause your vibration.
Congrats Brent, on getting ur 6L ls motor rebuilt and kind-of running for now. sounds like u didn't feed the Squirrels! lv to Cool Pablo..
Can not believe how good an attitude you have Brent, I would be so upset that it has a little problem after doing so much to the engine for what you started with. Call it a Win
There is a reason it is making that rubbing noise. Timing chains, flywheels, tensioners and what ever else that is connected to the crankshaft….what ever it is, the engine ran pretty good for it being in a fire. I agree with you….. it is a win.. you will probably find the cause by accident….
You amaze me every time. Your. Willing. Tu try. The. Impossible. Feat. To me. I need everything. Tobe. There. Thanks
Put it in your car and turn the radio up full it will be fine my friend.luv your attitude and work mate god bless
Brent, you add a new dimension to the typical "Will it run" videos. Your videos explaining fuel injection, ECUs and wiring connections will be valued by the next generation of car restorers.
You are putting heads from a smaller engine onto a larger engine. The chamber size must be smaller on the aluminium heads to maintain the same compression ratio between the two engines. It is therefore possible that the valves are touching without bending. Also it appears to be running rougher than I would expect. Check compression and check pistons with your borescope. :)
That motor looks to be in good shape for the shape it's in.😮
You'll figure it out Brent because that what you do. On a side note, during the engine cleaning there was no music during that part so I played "Burlesque Heartache by RKVC" that I had downloaded. There, much better.😁❤
As crunchy as that thing was, its amazing to hear it breath life again. You are definately the ls whisperer.
That fork lift is ideal for your work.That long reach is great.
Do these engines run timing chains? Maybe the tensioner pads are melted and the chain is slapping .
Very good point!!!!
I thought it might be coming from that end of the motor too. He did have to change the timing gear cover. 😮
Check the crank sensor, and see if it’s hitting the reluctor wheel?
You need to check the crank by rotating it with out the pan on. Maybe something is different in the 2 pans...
I know you won't quit, looking forward to the next video to see what the issue was.
Fascinating. You've added to my knowledge and proven once again you are a mechanical wizard.
Is the ringer on the starter motor touching on the flex plate when it’s going on mate??? Cheers, have a great day 🍻👍
No unfortunately not haha
@@HalfassKustoms@ did it work? U found the issue? Noise
Sounds like a piece of metal is rubbing on the flywheel teeth. ???? Or the Starter hanging up slighty and the pinion hitting the flywheel teeth like barely. ????
Well it's cleaner and it runs win win sort of .Well done sir Brent thank you for sharing
Mounted correctly in a vehicle I bet the noise goes away.OH! Brent start the motor and try a stethoscope.
6.0 truck motors have cast iron heads. My 2009 Silverado 2500HD has iron heads. 14 years of trouble free reliability. She'll be fine, just needs new accessories and a cleanup. Thanks Brent! Cheers from Utah.
Thats exciting when you do a start up on an unknown engine! Great job!
Great video metal master, enjoyed watching with a cold beer big ups 😎
Try the ol hose trick to the ear and move around the engine to center in where the noise is, how about a electrical spark, it’s a very constant sound, turn the lights out , might see a steady flash….my first thought was timing chain
Being it went through the almighty of a heat cycle….. there could be several of the lifters out of round and not fully traveling in their bores, making both rattle and drag noises.
Best bet would be to give her the Ol’ wooden dowel listen and pinpoint precisely where the noise is actually coming from.
To me, it sounds like a warped reluctor wheel….. but, that would be at the rear. Not under/around cylinder 4.
If it’s NOT the reluctor. It’s some pretty serious piston slap. Like the piston is rocking back and forth multiple times with each revolution.
Sounds serrated, w/e it is.
First thought was that wobbly looking flexplate. Its teeth don’t look boogered, tho.
Can’t wait to find out what you learn!
Pablo speaks a Brett listens!!!!
Given the Balancer was cooked, could the timing chains/guides have been affected by the fire, or a bit of crap floating around? My first idea was the Windage tray, but that seems to not have any rub marks.... Self clearance is my only other solution 🤣. Cheers from Australia😃👍
Sounds like the reluctor wheel rubbing on something. Possibly the crank position sensor partially melted and out of position?
Your freaking amazing... who would of thought... and it doesn't even smoke!
Old faithful Pablo, da 6 liter's a quandry ya know, from crispy ta crunchy like a taco, she's bouncing on dat engine stand say'n let me go, take da time n da noise will be no mo.
Cut an old truck frame in half that had an Ls, mount a radiator in it and use the frame as a portable engine stand, with or without transmission.
Man these things are tough !! ...almost as tough as you, my man.
Big HELL YEAH from a fellow canuck somewhere in Quebec.
I had an old harmonic balancer that had spun on the rubber, made a heck of a noise. Maybe the fire melted the dampener rubber?? It does sound like one of those old “rattler” balancers.
Anyway, I’m very confident Pablo will lead you to it soon. 😂
Huge undertakiing- very ambitious! Loved the burnout in the last episode too bro!!!
Spray Nine is a awesome degreaser it will clean it up right pretty
The pink wires are 5v reference power for the sensors, not meant to have 12v run thru them .
just rev it until the noise stops - I would have said rod bolts hitting the windage tray but valvtrain maybe?
Have you looked in the lifter valley? Top end/lots of moving parts to check out.
Just a thought but as a last resort you could try pulling the dipstick out a little ways to see of that is it. You did mention the potential.
Like another feller said, you don’t usually have your ear right next to the oil pan. Probably a normal noise. Regardless, that was entertaining!
Minty !
Thank You for sharing your video, and letting us hang out .
Later ...
It’s hard to hear any noise on the video but I believe you there’s a noise. As many other people have said your flex plate might be the problem could be to light and the plate may be rubbing. I also when back and rewatched the video and zoomed in and I think I saw flex plate did looking like it may have a slight bend in it so that may be rubbing a little bit. Will keep trying to figure it out I will let you know if I think of anything else. Later
Love hangin' with you Brent...
Goood to c the supervisor hangin' with ya too. 🐶
Amazing what you did with that engine...👍
awesome knowledge brother 🤠
Amazing grace...🙏
YES , IT'S STILL A WIN
A bent windage try? but also sound like the start gear is not completely seated..hmmm
I know you'll find because that is who you are.....Keep the faith, Love the Vids! Build On!!!
i'd check the oil pump. The centering of them is delicate and with heat it could have developed a rub
Hope the Motor is good and love your videos
It was fun to watch ya and see this LS coming back to life after all it went through with that fire. Hope that you'll find the source of the noise. Later !
I am surprised that after all of this time you have not made yourself a universal engine run stand?
I agree pull out one of the old cut up frames and make a rolling engine run stand I'd watch that video
Elin from Rusty Beauties built one for Triumph car engines from an old TR6 frame.
@@dartvader9939 I agree with his talent and all the parts he's got laying around there a engine run stand would be a welcome addiction to his shop not only for his use but for us and followers seeing him build and test them out would make great content and I'm like you I'd watch those videos all day..
would make a nice video watching him build one
He did have one .I think his old hemi was on it not sure on that
To me, that is a win! from what it was to it running, that's a big win, you'll find what the problem, keep on keeping on 👍
Nice work, I think the grease/dirt on the engine insulated it from the heat 🤣 I'm glad she lives again!
Glad to see you working hard again. It’s been a long road. Cant wait to see more updates an projects and many more videos soon Brett. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Fab On. Weld On. Keep Making. God bless.
Hello, Great videos. The first time cranking it sounded like the flexplate was hitting something on the back of the block or a bolt on the engine stand. Best wishes. With the shake at idle, I'd do a compression test.
Maybe something in the rocker arms
Brent check that dipstick maybe it is in too far ??????? JUST A THOUGHT AS IT HAS NO STOP ON IT sorry about the capital letters must have hit the caps lock.........where can we get a HA bucket cap ??????? love you videos keep them coming BOBBYCOKE
Great job buddy, I’m glad that you at least had one to be able to save. It’s sad too loose so many toys, but I totally have faith in you. Your friend always. Kevin
Thanks for another , Brother !!
The old line, "The operation was a complete success but the patient died!" comes to mind. 🤣 I don't think it could be anything major or the engine just wouldn't run that well. The only thing that comes to mind is the timing chain slapping the cover. But I expect you already looked for evidence of that. Is it possible that the oil pan is slightly more shallow than the one you took off? Perhaps the oil sump tube is tapping against the bottom of the pan.
Use oven cleaner to clean the grunge off that engine. Better than any degreaser I’ve tried.
Uncle Tony did a test a short time ago and said that the cheap Dollar Tree brand did better than the name brand stuff.
well Brent, that sure was a great project, love when you revive things that no one would ever attempt , cheers! 👍🍺🍺🍺🍺
Wow ! Sir you're the only person on RUclips I've ever seen do this. When you trimmed that wiring harness,all I could do was shake my head. There's no way I would've even thought about doing what all you done. They should call you the Modern Day Mc Gyver. Best at what you hands down. My hats off to ya Sir. Many Blessings to you and the family ❤😊
I say run it til it quits, then you'll know. If it stops making noise, it's a win.
On the video, it sounds like lifters. However, I have heard cracked flywheels sound the same way. About drove me crazy trying to find that. Outside of that, it 's a win in my book too. Considering what it went through and how it looked, running at all is just plain amazing. Good job!
Good donk for tall T 👍👍👍👍🇦🇺😁
Good job Brent.
Hi Brent. Wild Guess before I go to bed . Timing distributor ? 🤔 bad plug. Vacuum problem. Good night 🤚🙏
Brent you my man are persistent and patient "bearing pains or trials calmly or without complaint!" keep up the great videos!
An amazing video Brent! Way more sketch than most videos? Loved it!
Time to use your mechanics stethoscope to narrow down where the noise is concentrated…had similar noise years ago ended up being one of the bolts on the flex plate rubbing.
It's a win
My guess is the top took more heat than the lower end and you have cam bearings spinning.
Detonation maybe? Computer throwing off the timing for some reason? It sounds like a diesel, and it shouldn't. Otherwise, the engine looks sound. I;ve got faith you'll figure it out
Excellent video Brent :) , Pablo The Supervisor Dog 🐕, I say check Crankshaft pulley if of timing marks if not maybe Crankshaft out balance from heat from fire plus Camshaft too ! Maybe piston rings needs change on every cylinders too and hopefully find out why also be almost anything maybe last one be PSI on each cylinders different too ! So many things are possible but get resolved soon Brent :) ! Don't Forget Have Some Nice Sleep On To and if comes mind when sleeping write down before forget it is!
Only Brent can take a basket case like that engine and make it run. Hopefully the new shop is coming along nicely
I'm not sure either, but I hope it is a simple fix and hopefully you can find, it sounds great and I'll catch ya on the next one
This was a wild one- what a marathon- but ya- considering what you started with- definitely a win. Can’t be anything too serious
Sound like the lifters needs to pump up. Make sure you have the right wires going to coils and injectors, you might have one crossed.
What happened your big shop my friend I don't wacht your upload vedio for long time
I ran a 400 sbc.on a engine stand and had a similar noise. Turned out to be the flexplate barely rubbing on the engine stand.
I’m 76 years old and watched you build the General It inspired me for one more build. I’m doing a 1947 Dodge pickup on a Chevy 4x4 frame and running gear . So I call it a Dodgrolet. I’ll send pictures when I figure how to. Sorry to see what happened to your shop. Can’t wait to see you in the new shop.
Hello Brent, you are amazing. I just got through cleaning the three major black and white engine grounds, and both knock sensors on my sister's 2007 5.3 chevy. I should have waited for this video. Your knowledge and watching you is educational, teaches us not to give up, and troubleshoot our way through. Another excellent video, thank you again and I will be waiting for the next class Master Tech.