I was wondering the same thing about the apple story, why aren't people talking about it like this more. These pictures are years old!!! It's obvious that apple is retaining photos.
I really don't believe big companies ever delete anything, so we should have extreme care of where our data is going and prevent that as much as possible. There's an old rule that once something is on the internet, it's gonna be there forever.
Years ago I used an app that resurfaced pictures you took this day in every year before. I thought this was cool until the photos it displayed I had deleted years ago even before I had installed the app…. Apple DOES NOT delete your photos.
That's exactly how data deletion is supposed to work... If you don't zero out the data, it's still recoverable, no matter how long ago you deleted it. Why is this so hard for people to understand???
I didn't realize that there was someone out there that actually thought that photos deleted on our end are also deleted on their end. I remember when uploading videos to RUclips used to upload the higher-refresh rate video that was saved instead of the lower quality one that was on Google Photos.
The idea of using Apple thinking privacy is a priority is mind blowing. One of the richest most controlling and manipulating tech companies should be on the top of ones do not trust list. If a human behaved as Apple does a logical person wouldn't trust them 🤷♂️
IRT the highlight story, if you both recall? They got in HUGE trouble for this issue with iCloud when that whole celebrity nudes thing happened. Reddit was, as usual, on the frontlines of this issue because there was an entire subreddit of photos stolen out of folks' iClouds because 2FA wasn't even an option. Having contracted there? This doesn't surprise me. I was already planning to move back to Android eventually, this just...further pushes me that way. I'm very disappointed in them. I should note that I've had this specific bug myself I just noticed after hearing about this last week that I have more duplicate pics (it looks for those for you) than I've EVER had before and things from years ago are showing up as though I just downloaded them when really they're edited images from like...months or years back? Also I have to quibble a bit, Nate. Apple does do ads. They just make companies come to THEM for access. They're very sneaky about it. That whole "privacy" branding is a big fat lie. Sad. Anyway cloud data sucks if you can't host yourself. I'm considering moving to a solution like that for myself; this is probably the final straw of frustration for me.
"it's a smoking gun" lol Two people alleged that a few pictures came back. That sounds like the opposite of a smoking gun to me. Waiting for some legitimate proof, scope of impact, etc.
The Photos probably got flagged for NSFW and put on a separate HDD when it was uploaded. So even though it was actually deleted they keep a backup second copy of all NSFW just for legal reasons so if a kid gets a bad photo and both ends delete the photo, apple has a backup list of “possible NSFW” photos list tied to your account that no one can see unless legally compelled to do so. So new system reindexed all photos including this backup NSFW HDD on their server and now people are having this issue. So yes it sucks they probably have this system because of the government. But this makes the most sense to me because them keeping every photo and not deleting anything makes no sense. And this kind of system makes sense and explains the bug
I think one person who encountered this problem said that some of their old artwork showed up, which could've been NSFW but I doubt it? They didn't mention whether it was.
Just like Discord can resurface anything they like, yikes. Anything on a free cloud might as well be treated as leaked already, forever in circulation.
Update 17.5.1 says it addresses a rare issue where photos that experienced database corruption could reappear in the Photos library even if they were deleted.
They just released a fix so we can all pretend like the photos have been deleted again. My question is how do we know the new update does not do something else? And what if we found pictures that we don’t want deleted are those now going to be deleted?
IMHO, it likely is a replication issue, or a hidden error when deleting certain files after 30 days. The files have records and blobs associated. The file was marked as deleted, and then the blob is meant to be freed OVER TIME as the delete request propagates from server to server. What can happen is one server denies the delete, or fails, and then somehow those records get associated with a user and propagated back to the main server somehow and the deleted flag overwritten. It's very very likely a distributed server issue, and not being aware that certain blobs arent being deleted after 30 days and a process picking them up to fix orphaned blobs to reduce space overhead (as you NEVER want orphaned files).
This problem with pictures returning is very real, and it happens with iCloud too. Is always back, and I already tried to delete on my iPad years ago and is always back lololol
It was a fine line to re-index these photos and re-appear deleted photos of your account, versus getting other accounts deleted photos are coming back.
About seven years ago, I experienced an iCloud photos back up issue where photos deleted from my Apple device would still show on iCloud on the web and the storage would still be used up. I had to create a new ID to stop experiencing this problem back then. I think you’re right that this is a bug from 10 years ago that is rearing its ugly head now..
Could be that the deleted photos in question weren't marked as deleted in the cloud. Perhaps there was a hiccup in the synchronization process, possibly due to a poor internet connection or a temporary server outage on Apple's end. Assuming Apple's factory resets and wipes do indeed securely erase a device's contents, that should be enough to make photos impossible to recover. I still wouldnt be surprised if something nefarious is going on though, and the fact that your device can give up on verifying photo deletion is a huge flaw.
I never used icloud and i made a new apple id for my current phone; not surprising that I wasn't effected. I wish I still had access to my older apple id to see if anything resurfaces on icloud since I wasn't aware whether or not icloud backups/iphone sync were enabled on my iphone 5 and macbook.
This happened to me with whatsapp. Got a new phone and the cloud backup had a ton of old pics that instantly filled up the memory on my new phone, and would have been too much for the old phone. So theres no way that it could have all been from the old phone
Google sends updates to all compatible Android 6+ devices through play store / play services. It is not hard to detect BLE devices with an app, but confirming the type may be harder.
Yes I’ve got deleted pictures show up that I deleted And have not used iCloud for a while, unsure when I stopped tho Actually yes Photos have showed up very recently after deleting without iCloud being used 😬
So technically the videos at of Kaylee and Madi at the beginning of the case would be wire taps. In idaho as i understand is a 1 party state on audio. Technically the audio from video(what dod you say to adam) on the sidewalk should be illegal. Because nobody in the video knows their being recorded. But at the grub truck where the vendor knows hes being recorded is legal because he knows its being recorded.😮
I can imagine Apple might decide it doesn't want to actually delete user photos. I cannot see any way this is defensible though. Aaaand, I guess I have to get a Faraday bag to put all my stuff in whenever I'm out and about?
LTT WAN Show covered this Friday and a user reported that the re-indexed photos were not uploaded to the cloud. Look for 58 : 39 mark in their _iPhones Are Undeleting Nudes??_ upload for a testimonial.
didn't apple started to scan picture to check not doing anything bad they would need to upload it to their server to check if the picture in question thats are really bad and report you in, they would be alot false positives too so human would have to check it if something you need to be reported in, and can be a bug that picture are reuploaded back, just guesting here the why
That is a fair point, a company like Apple almost certainly has a massive number of servers in different regions, it is possible that the data was purged in one data centre but not others.
This stupid story about the iOS bug is clearly just an issue with how data gets deleted off of devices. The data will always still be there until it's overwritten with new data, something this very channel (as well as Techlore) has talked about before. This does actually include cloud storage as well. Following occam's razor means this should be the first assumption, not the assumption that Apple is retaining photos, *especially* considering all of these old photos resurfaced **locally** not within iCloud.
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I was wondering the same thing about the apple story, why aren't people talking about it like this more. These pictures are years old!!! It's obvious that apple is retaining photos.
Unless this "story" is a plant by Android. Verifying sources of stories takes time and effort.
I really don't believe big companies ever delete anything, so we should have extreme care of where our data is going and prevent that as much as possible. There's an old rule that once something is on the internet, it's gonna be there forever.
People are just naive af about the softening & deceptive language of and around "the cloud".
It's somebody else's fucking box ffs.
They don't. It's technically illegal per the PATRIOT Act :/
Blame it on a “Bug”
Years ago I used an app that resurfaced pictures you took this day in every year before. I thought this was cool until the photos it displayed I had deleted years ago even before I had installed the app…. Apple DOES NOT delete your photos.
Timehop right?
That's exactly how data deletion is supposed to work... If you don't zero out the data, it's still recoverable, no matter how long ago you deleted it. Why is this so hard for people to understand???
@@francesay8478 So then why does Apple not zero out the data when you delete it? This is at minimum very very sloppy.
@@LotsOfBologna2 No operating system does that because it would make deleting files much slower and would reduce the storage lifespan
PATRIOT act basically guaranteed they're not allowed to
i used to trust apple more than google. but nowadays i feel different. i left the walled prison due to inflexibility of their software years ago
I didn't realize that there was someone out there that actually thought that photos deleted on our end are also deleted on their end.
I remember when uploading videos to RUclips used to upload the higher-refresh rate video that was saved instead of the lower quality one that was on Google Photos.
The idea of using Apple thinking privacy is a priority is mind blowing. One of the richest most controlling and manipulating tech companies should be on the top of ones do not trust list.
If a human behaved as Apple does a logical person wouldn't trust them 🤷♂️
IRT the highlight story, if you both recall? They got in HUGE trouble for this issue with iCloud when that whole celebrity nudes thing happened. Reddit was, as usual, on the frontlines of this issue because there was an entire subreddit of photos stolen out of folks' iClouds because 2FA wasn't even an option.
Having contracted there? This doesn't surprise me. I was already planning to move back to Android eventually, this just...further pushes me that way. I'm very disappointed in them.
I should note that I've had this specific bug myself I just noticed after hearing about this last week that I have more duplicate pics (it looks for those for you) than I've EVER had before and things from years ago are showing up as though I just downloaded them when really they're edited images from like...months or years back?
Also I have to quibble a bit, Nate. Apple does do ads. They just make companies come to THEM for access. They're very sneaky about it. That whole "privacy" branding is a big fat lie. Sad.
Anyway cloud data sucks if you can't host yourself. I'm considering moving to a solution like that for myself; this is probably the final straw of frustration for me.
"it's a smoking gun" lol
Two people alleged that a few pictures came back. That sounds like the opposite of a smoking gun to me. Waiting for some legitimate proof, scope of impact, etc.
The Photos probably got flagged for NSFW and put on a separate HDD when it was uploaded. So even though it was actually deleted they keep a backup second copy of all NSFW just for legal reasons so if a kid gets a bad photo and both ends delete the photo, apple has a backup list of “possible NSFW” photos list tied to your account that no one can see unless legally compelled to do so. So new system reindexed all photos including this backup NSFW HDD on their server and now people are having this issue.
So yes it sucks they probably have this system because of the government. But this makes the most sense to me because them keeping every photo and not deleting anything makes no sense. And this kind of system makes sense and explains the bug
I think one person who encountered this problem said that some of their old artwork showed up, which could've been NSFW but I doubt it? They didn't mention whether it was.
Just like Discord can resurface anything they like, yikes. Anything on a free cloud might as well be treated as leaked already, forever in circulation.
Update 17.5.1 says it addresses a rare issue where photos that experienced database corruption could reappear in the Photos library even if they were deleted.
Why anyone would ever believe they deleted them in the first place is just baffling.
They just released a fix so we can all pretend like the photos have been deleted again. My question is how do we know the new update does not do something else? And what if we found pictures that we don’t want deleted are those now going to be deleted?
IMHO, it likely is a replication issue, or a hidden error when deleting certain files after 30 days.
The files have records and blobs associated.
The file was marked as deleted, and then the blob is meant to be freed OVER TIME as the delete request propagates from server to server.
What can happen is one server denies the delete, or fails, and then somehow those records get associated with a user and propagated back to the main server somehow and the deleted flag overwritten.
It's very very likely a distributed server issue, and not being aware that certain blobs arent being deleted after 30 days and a process picking them up to fix orphaned blobs to reduce space overhead (as you NEVER want orphaned files).
This problem with pictures returning is very real, and it happens with iCloud too.
Is always back, and I already tried to delete on my iPad years ago and is always back lololol
It was a fine line to re-index these photos and re-appear deleted photos of your account, versus getting other accounts deleted photos are coming back.
About seven years ago, I experienced an iCloud photos back up issue where photos deleted from my Apple device would still show on iCloud on the web and the storage would still be used up. I had to create a new ID to stop experiencing this problem back then. I think you’re right that this is a bug from 10 years ago that is rearing its ugly head now..
Not using iCloud, no photos came back with 17.5
The KeePassXC Debian debacle didn't make it to the FOSS section
Could be that the deleted photos in question weren't marked as deleted in the cloud. Perhaps there was a hiccup in the synchronization process, possibly due to a poor internet connection or a temporary server outage on Apple's end. Assuming Apple's factory resets and wipes do indeed securely erase a device's contents, that should be enough to make photos impossible to recover.
I still wouldnt be surprised if something nefarious is going on though, and the fact that your device can give up on verifying photo deletion is a huge flaw.
When your sync is out of sync? It feels like you should not be able to have this bug. Maybe it's something to do with unreliable communication.
I never used icloud and i made a new apple id for my current phone; not surprising that I wasn't effected. I wish I still had access to my older apple id to see if anything resurfaces on icloud since I wasn't aware whether or not icloud backups/iphone sync were enabled on my iphone 5 and macbook.
great vid
This happened to me with whatsapp. Got a new phone and the cloud backup had a ton of old pics that instantly filled up the memory on my new phone, and would have been too much for the old phone. So theres no way that it could have all been from the old phone
Is there a typo? "Isn't Delete Photos" doesn't make sense. Maybe "Is This PROOF Apple Isn't Deleting Photos?!" is better.
You're right, thanks for noticing. There's a lot going on when we upload so I failed to proofread well. -N
Google sends updates to all compatible Android 6+ devices through play store / play services.
It is not hard to detect BLE devices with an app, but confirming the type may be harder.
Yes I’ve got deleted pictures show up that I deleted
And have not used iCloud for a while, unsure when I stopped tho
Actually yes
Photos have showed up very recently after deleting without iCloud being used 😬
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@5:15 Facepalm. Apple shill in full righteous rage protecting holy cow. "Leave $2.9 Trilling company alone!!!!"
i kinda wish the apple photos thing was true because somehow all of my photos from 2011 disappeared from icloud 😡
What happens on iPhone..stays on icloud
So technically the videos at of Kaylee and Madi at the beginning of the case would be wire taps. In idaho as i understand is a 1 party state on audio. Technically the audio from video(what dod you say to adam) on the sidewalk should be illegal. Because nobody in the video knows their being recorded. But at the grub truck where the vendor knows hes being recorded is legal because he knows its being recorded.😮
your digital foot print stays in some server forever.
I can imagine Apple might decide it doesn't want to actually delete user photos. I cannot see any way this is defensible though. Aaaand, I guess I have to get a Faraday bag to put all my stuff in whenever I'm out and about?
Considering the timeline I keep hearing (10 years) this kind of falls in line with then the fappening happened. Coincidence?
The French can claim otherwise all they want - but the fact remains they are still a colonial power. So "overseas territory" = colony.
LTT WAN Show covered this Friday and a user reported that the re-indexed photos were not uploaded to the cloud. Look for 58 : 39 mark in their _iPhones Are Undeleting Nudes??_ upload for a testimonial.
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didn't apple started to scan picture to check not doing anything bad they would need to upload it to their server to check if the picture in question thats are really bad and report you in, they would be alot false positives too so human would have to check it if something you need to be reported in, and can be a bug that picture are reuploaded back, just guesting here the why
They don't need upload to do that, they just use the AI features available on any iDevice in the past 5-10 years.
22:45 US stopping shoplifting ??
Laughs in fucking irony
Deleting stuff is hard in big data system,
way easier to mark photos with Deleted-Flag.
That is a fair point, a company like Apple almost certainly has a massive number of servers in different regions, it is possible that the data was purged in one data centre but not others.
This stupid story about the iOS bug is clearly just an issue with how data gets deleted off of devices. The data will always still be there until it's overwritten with new data, something this very channel (as well as Techlore) has talked about before. This does actually include cloud storage as well. Following occam's razor means this should be the first assumption, not the assumption that Apple is retaining photos, *especially* considering all of these old photos resurfaced **locally** not within iCloud.
My old photos came back, it was really creepy because I deleted them over a year ago.