The Most Powerful Commanders of D&D Adventures in the Forgotten Realms | Power Tier List | EDH | MTG
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- The Commander's Quarters is your Magic the Gathering source that helps you Command Your Budget! Today Mitch goes over The Most Powerful Commanders of D&D: Adventures in the Forgotten Realms with the Ultimate Commander Power Tier List!
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Might be biased on this, but I feel that Prosper should be higher on this list. It gives Rakdos ramp and temporary card advantage. Casually it is a blast and it may even have cEDH viability as a storm/ad naus/underworld breach deck.
I can vouch got my precons yesterday and did quick upgrades, prosper was hands down the strongest
Also, red specializes in playing cards from exile, and Kaldheim brought Foretell and Dream Devourer which that can give huge value.
Why can't I hold all these treasures??
I agree Prosper is insane!!!
Yeap
The Tarrasque is comically weak, considering in the D&D Universe an unchecked Tarrasque can devoure whole worlds, not unlike Emrakul
I heard in 5e he can be taken out quite easily. Plus id imagine MTGs power scaling is much higher than in D&D.
@@MatthewCJoy depends on how strong the party is and how the dm lets the players interact with the environment to bring it down. I'd say it's still a tough nut to crack
@@billcypher564 well ya of coarse, but that description is far from Emrakul level power. Also the "devour whole worlds" statement everyone keeps using seems very out of line with what his actual power level seems like. I know hardly anything about D&D and even less about this particular monster but it just seems like that statement is really overblown, sorta like if hes left unchecked for an absurd amount of time he will of coarse eventually have killed everything. Like its just mythical exaggerated line to hype him up, because i havent personally seen anyone bring up any feats by actual encountered ones where they actually display that level of power. But again I can definitely be wrong.
@@MatthewCJoy Nah it's a pretty apt comparison if you're comparing The Tarrasque to the Eldrazi Titans that *we see* in Magic. You can't compare it to the unseen eldritch beings that are the Eldrazi in the blind eternities, but you can compare it to the manifestations we see, effectively being small parts of the greater whole titans. In that way The Tarrasque is similar, as without a concerted, cooperative effort between the most powerful beings on a plane or world; in much the same way the Eldrazi Titans' smaller physical manifestations would- The Tarrasque would also eventually consume all available life.
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The Tarrasque also doesn't die, so it would have been more appropriate if it had a cheap Regenerate cost or when it dies it just goes seven from the top of your library. There were so many things missing from what defines The Tarrasque in this set that it is just a big ol' dinosaur with a Tarrasque picture and name slapped onto it.
Gretchen Tichwillow is S tier Mitch. It’s Fair Thrasios, meaning no generic 4 mana activation or “Partner”.
Mitch seems to intentionally disregard infinite combo cards. Even says it with Acerak(spelling?) In this video.
Ah Prosper. The Simic player’s Rakdos deck.
Until you're against simmic, then it's the rakdos player's simmic deck
Agree with most of these except Bruenor, Bruenor decks can absolutely wreck house even on a budget, and can swing out with a 20 power evasive hexproof bruenor quite early
"Blame Eddie" should be on a t-shirt by now...
I totally agree with you on Farideh, nevertheless I will still build a Deck with him and all available Dice-Rolling cards is these colors. The Deck won't be very strong but I think as a Junk-Deck it could be really funny to play, since the effects of the Dice-Rolling cards are all over the place.
Krark's Thumb could come in handy
And really, it’s a *fun* idea, which is what I appreciate. I’m not overly fond of overpowered and competitive stuff, just because I dealt with a lot of jerks when I was younger.
By the way, I’m building a Vrondiss deck that includes *all* the color-appropriate dice cards. I’m calling it “Mister King Dice”.
I really feel minn is high A-low S tier honestly. After building the drck, there are a lot of ways to draw at least 2 per turn, even on your opponents turns. And if you pair it with sakashina/helm of the host, not only do you make multiple illusions each time you draw your second card, but you also get multiple triggers of the "put a permanent into play" effect as well, which can very easily spiral out of control. Not to mention the almost impossible to interract with combo with meloku and a sac outlet. All of this in a mono blue shell gives it tons of protection throigh counterspells, bounce spells, and unblockable to push your damage through, or lab man effects to just win since the main idea of the deck is "draw cards." Might be heavily biased, but after building and playing the deck, it works amazingly well
Inferno of the Star Mounts really needs to be higher on this list. I've yet to lose with this commander in my playgroup, and you can have truly explosive turns when you combine it with Neheb the Eternal or Toralf God of Fury.
Give Toralf deathtouch (and the commander if possible) and each damage is a kill spell because each damage past one is excess.
For me I would place xanathar at S tier due to how useful he can be (given his versatility) as he can pretty much force opponents to have bad cards as long as you have a way to mill or play there cards and also stops them from playing spells whilst you do it.
Idk, kind of a worse Sen Triplets to me
@@ChildrenOfOwls so far I've been super successful using him. Granted I'm a new player so maybe there are combos or potentials I see yet
@@ChildrenOfOwls it has built in mana fixing and can literally screw over any player extremely easily. Being able to manipulate what they draw is extremely powerful, more than looking at their hand and potentially casting what they have.
@@liamlyda2116 I mean...there's a reason Sen Triplets sees competitive play and Xanathar doesn't
@@ChildrenOfOwls its also a brand new card that hasn't been out for very long, where Sen Triplets has been out for years. I'm not saying one is better than another, just that Xanathar is perfect for locking people out of games, Sen Triplets is perfect for casting other people's stuff. When it comes down to it, Xanathar is just much more consistent.
I just wish that tiamat was good in standard. Give her at least hexproof or indestructible.She is the mighty goddess, after all.
Most God creatures already have indestructible so I completely agree. I understand that WotC had to balance her insane ETB but still, I don’t think that for 7 mana giving her hexproof or at least ward 7 to match her mana value is that much to ask
Dont think ive ever been this early on any video ever. Personally i need a tiamat for my scion of ur dragon deck, and the druid for my mono green. First set in a while im just buying singles.
We will likely see more dice rolling when the Warhammer 40K cards come out
is this a thing?
@@bouncingdonut9969 Yes it is www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2021/2/25/22301336/magic-the-gathering-warhammer-40000-crossover-commander-deck
@@liammurphy3258 a lord of the rings set would be dope
@@jameskeenan1351 it's coming in 2023
As I’m watching this, I see Prosper at B and I’m like wow. It’s now like #9 most played commander right now
This set seems like a lot of fun. Can’t wait to see these cards on the table.
Gretchen Titchwillow is a infinite mana outlet in the command zone. Draw your deck and win.
How?
@@hrdstyldncngisbst Infinite mana is easy with Freed From the Reel and Kiora's Follower, along with a number of other effects. Then you use Thassa's Oracle, Jace, or Lab Maniac to win.
As always great evaluation. The only card I think you're sleeping on (as a lot of people are) is Delina. So many combos, and with beserker class out it gets nuts. Already built one in cockatrice for testing and it can be really powerful/win out of nowhere.
My favorite is Delina copying a pixie guide. It can go effectively almost infinite if it hits the first couple rolls.
Its really amazing that the Tarrasque doesnt have trample.
i def feel like both Prosper and Galea are being under valued on this list, they both feel like S teir to me, i also feel like a lot of heavy cmc creatures are higher than i would put them.
Tiamat doesn’t feel like S-tier to me.. High mana cost and if it gets countered you’re just out of the game a lot of the time
She is S tier for infinite mana builds. You don't play her like Ur Dragon "Dragon Tribal". Instead once you hit infinite mana, cast Tiamat, tutor for Scourge of Valkas/Terror of the Peaks and Immersturm Predator. Just cast Tiamat and sac and recast infinitely to win.
@@dinchianghii3296 but how often will this win in CEDH or every high tier
@@troybrodeyr In Cedh everything goes. It just needs Scourge of Valk or Terror of the Peaks. Just that this is the first cmdr for those who wants to play Food chain Dragon tribal instead of Tazri Ally or the First Sliver. Can also make it less cedh by cutting down interaction, throwing in more dragons and keeping food chain pieces.
@@dinchianghii3296 that is assuming you're playing cedh. Even still without infinites you have access to blue and green and with enough low cost ramp and counter spells, I think it'd be a beast in casual too.
Happy to see Tiamat so high. She was my first tribal and first 5 color deck. I'm happy I was able to make a good dragon deck without Ur-Dragon. Also made a nice Drizzt deck. Good list 👍
I've tried Prosper today against a pl Sisay, Bruvac and Tasigur. He gives you card advantage that is surely a bless for Rakdos and some ramp that you can reinvest in some spell like Comet Storm or Hailfire Plague
That’s honestly why I like Prosper, even though Rakdos isn’t my preferred color pairing. I’m a green man, so I honestly wish I could build a deck that has both Prosper and Faldorn in the 99. They both have solid synergy. I just can’t think of an appropriate Jund Commander. Any ideas, anyone?
Think Galea and Vrondiss should switch places, and that Xanathar should be S tier. Great video none the less, keep up the great work!
I mostly agree with your list and would only make a few changes.
Up 1 tier- Shessra Death's Whisper, Inferno of the Star Mounts, Barrowin of Clan Undurr, Grazilaxx Illithid Scholar, Acererak the Archlich, Lorcan Warlock Collector
Down 1 tier- Icingdeath Frost Tyrant, The Tarrasque, Catti-brie of Mithral Hall, Zalto Fire Giant Duke, Karazikar the Eye Tyrant
Do you want Icingdeath to be D-? It’s already a D, have they gone any lower?
@@SlurpeeDude429 it just seems so awful it deserves its own terrible rank... White is "bad" because we get commanders like this for it and it makes me sad.
Delina so far is my favorite from this set. I want to make her work well with ETB and LTB triggers, combo that with Harmonic Prodigy and Strionic Resonator to add in more triggers with the dice rolling and extra value with Panharmonicon. Mirror March is another good card to use with her as well, getting copies of the tokens you make with it. Another cool theme to use her with is Seven Dwarves. Impact Tremors and the old Purphoros are also great additions to her synergy. I feel like "putting her in danger" is not a major downside since it can be pretty simple to protect her, even in mono-red (Swiftfoot Boots, Lightning Greaves, Whispersilk Cloak, Commander's Plate, Darksteel Plate, and Deflecting Swat). Extra combats are also very helpful in a deck like this, just to add in more value to her ability, so adding in Combat Celebrant and Moraug is very effective.
Ditto, I like the way you think! She seems fun regardless of this tier list. The dice rolling is the cherry on top.
Minn is severely underrated and can really pop off when surrounded by card draw but you didn't take into consideration illusions already in mtg. It should have at least been A tier
Well now I have to blame Eddie for all this amazing content. Thank you to both of you.
I've been building a comander deck for acererak and I think he's underrated when you think about the rewards for finishing his dungeon and the others and the fact he is great for making zombies
I believe Minsc is def CEDH Viable. Rector lines which are essentially 1 card combos. POD + Hulk lines and him being the sac outlet you need for all of it puts him in a unique spot in NAYA colors. Plus having a mana sink for a1 shot to someone's face and having your hamster work with pattern of rebirth is just so much synergy. Overall, love the content though!
Inferno should be B tier on the basis that there are ways to bust the card and it protects itself in a lot of ways. Xanathar is S tier on the basis that you can build it like Lantern control and it can be more oppressive than the Triplets.
Okay, but I have a brawl based on Brunor battle hammer, and it slaps.
I have a ton of words on Minsc as he's my favorite commander in Magic but just add that making creatures into giants has incredible synergy with a lot of cards.
I feel like when it comes to Minn, it should be noted that Illusions are a tribe, so you don't need to rely on her as your only source of them. It's also worth mentioning that there are quite a few illusions that have incredible stats for their cost, but the drawback "when this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability, sacrifice it". Normally a massive drawback but Minn will make your opponent think twice before abusing it, since any illusion they kill could potentially transform into something far worse.
I have had a lot of fun with Delina, but yeah she is set back by the fact she has to be on the front lines to really take effect. She also relies too heavily on others to improve from being "a chance at something good" to "Deadly".
I built the deck around support for her but also taking control my opponents creatures. There is a bit of frustration when you not only see your cards turned against you but you watch as they multiply and destroy you. Or watch as your heavily equipped card jumps to the other side and starts giving away priceless equipment you picked for you.
These tricks are fun to play with but they do increase the target size on Delina making support for her just as important.
Always nice to see someone so confident in what they say, and so wrong at the same time...
The hate on breunor lol. The card gives boros voltron what it needs. A stronger way to do it. Because of that +2 to power, it requires less equipment to go on one creature, giving you the ability to create an army of beefy fighters instead of 1 or 2
I pulled an Oswald alt art card yesterday it’s pretty dope
I've got one word about Grazilaxx: Ninjitsu
Gross, I love it
I can’t wait for the lotr crossover they better have some good Aragorn ranger type and good legolas elf type archer
Edit: fricking autocorrect
Kalain looked pretty decent in the game knights video
Nihiloor can be played as a reanimate commander as well, since creatures you reanimate from opponent's GY counts as well.
Volo made S tier!!! Now we're talking! Definitely the best AFR commander. I'm kinda surprised that Xanathar didn't make the S tier, now that's one cool commander. (Xanathar should've made the S tier)
one thing you can do with Asmodeus is activate it´s ability and while it is on the stack, you sacrifice him so he doesn´t exile them. of course you lose him but sacrificing your comander for 7 14 or even 21 cards sounds pretty decent
I like your overall look on it
give Catti-brie lifelink and enchant with Light of Promise for a fun time.
Prosper is easily an A-Tier commander. The value is incredible. People underestimate him every time.
Not when his precon is consistently stealing cards sadly
For Sesshra one thing that I thought of that could work is to put Vedalken Orrery in your deck or something that gives your commander flash, because I don't know if VO affects your commander while it's in the command zone
Kalain + the Ozolith and treasure gen = gross
Farideh’s ability doesn’t specify what dice to roll. So that means you can roll a d100 for max odds
31:40 finally! I keep seeing people choose between Wulfgar and Vrondiss. Klauth is just as if into more threatening than those commanders!
3 dragons in S tier....you love to see it!
Everyone give Targ Nar a chance, i’m already on a deck tech for Her/Him and the new green equipment that makes the equipped creature’s base power and toughness 10/10 is great 👍 for the deck and so is Kessig Wolf Run and Skarrg, the Rage Pits.
While I don't think I'd play him as commander but in a rahda he can become huge and possibly a game ender, but better as a 99
My prosper chill is typical meets tiny bones meets exile others decks and play there stuff. The aggressive build is a storm build
People sleeping on Trelasarra soooo hard. Low A-Tier, man. Very fun commander and makes life gain kinda nuts.
I straight up made tons of misplays during my first time piloting Prosper and still almost won the game lol. Card is nuts. Makes Dream Devourer more of a powerhouse than it already is. Breaks cards that were usually decent at best before. I also realized he's great with an "artifacts matter" sub-theme and so I got Goblin Engineer and Goblin Welder in there to turn treasures into... better treasure? Lol. Got Scroll Rack and Sensei's Divining Top in there to scry and make sure I exile what I want and draw what I want. Unbelievable card advantage for Rakdos for sure.
You could play Prosper with Anje Falkenrath and a Falkenrath Gorger and just laugh at the evil you've wrought on your playgroup
@@samtheactualkenku6205 My Merciless Rage precon just came in the mail today 😈 gonna test out what does and doesn't work and hopefully have a powerhouse of a deck finished by the next time the pod gets together
If Vrondiss is going to be your go to, I'd suggest Doubling Season or Parallel Lives
I ran Shaasra for an event. Ended up doing surprisingly well with her.
The moment I'd figured out how the dungeon mechanic worked, I told myself "Welp, might as well wait for the green card that lets you Venture on a creature ETB".
And then Varis was spoiled, and I was unhappily proven right. And then I read "When you cast" and "once per turn" and was happily surprised. Let's all be honest with ourselves here, green does NOT need to eat Venture alive like so many other things. We didn't need the ability to speed-run dungeons every turn by simply playing creatures like you'd do any other turn.
Frankly, I'm hoping to see more "once per turn" clauses on green stuff, just curb their nonsense.
Ok so the red dragon is a instant win condition in treasure decks...oh did you not know that? More so if you have gold dragon and old gnaw (the green dragon from this set) all you have to do is swing with old gawn out, then you get a bunch of treasure then spend 7 of it (of your treasure is worth 2 mana, if not its 14 of it witch is still easy)and boom you win
Bruenor is definitely b tier with the right build. I have no problem one-shoting players before most decks get going and has good resilience.
I love tiamat as a D&D player, but it's a C tier, funny to play, the problem with Tiamt it's the ETB+cast. If someone wanna play a 5 color dragon Commander play Ur dragon or Scion of Ur dragon
I have to respectfully disagree with you 100%. Tiamat is a S tier commander. I am a MTG Arena player. However I have a 5 color Dragon deck that uses Tiamat and I can safely say that I bring the pain on a casual fun level AND competitive!
Just beat the other day a 5 color good stuff Jodah deck while they had a Omniscience enchantment in play...
I consistently will beat other top tier commander decks. Not a offshoot every now and then thing. The thing with Tiamat is you might have a relatively good idea what's coming. But supported with good graveyard recursion cards and board wipe spells such as crux of fate, ruinous ultimatum etc. In combination with Sarkhan planeswalkers, Fearsome Whelp, and Dragons shamans to reduce dragons cost to essentially 1-2 mana. Good luck!!!
Also good luck having/finding an answer for 6-12 threats coming your way. Not to mention each of those dragons individual abilities are usually game winning in and of themselves more times than not if not answered within a couple turns. There are ALOT of whiff 5 color dragons deck out there I'll admit. But go against the one built right and you'll find it is no joke whatsoever!
To be honest if I had access to Ur-Dragon. I'd still choose Tiamat for the simple reason that she is cheaper for one so you're going to more consistently have her in play than UR Dragon. 2# She is super helpful in filling your hand back up with super dangerous threats if your going against heavy removal, board wipe counter decks. 3# She gives you the opportunity to tutor for specific Dragons that you need for specific matchups. Her utility is amazing if built correctly!
Anyways, just my two cents on the matter
Does "low to the ground evasive creatures" exclude fliers?
Death's Whisper is the LC I have to use for my first Commander deck. I'm new to MTG and literally wanted to start playing after I saw Lolth, but with how few cards I have Death's Whisper is the only card I could use that isn't Asmodeus since I don't have many unique cards. :(
due to arena processing problems because of a certain new combo Delina, wild mage has been changed when it comes to the function of the card's abilities
Did you make a videos likes Commander' s deck budget with this commanders? Thanks fof your videos 😊
Hey Mitch when will you do that deck tech on the any tribe matters? I am super looking forward to it!!
Overestimate: Tiamat/Gnawbone (Self-defeating) Underestimate: Bruenor Battlehammer (Knee-caps for 21 Damage turn 3-4 without much effort)
Never thought I'd see Tiamat at the top of a tier list. Weird.
Can you please do the cards in alphabetical order and leave it open till the end until you assign it to a tierlevel? Would make the video much more interesting in my opinion
I just want to point out asmodeus in Mairsil is hilarious
Man good thing I got dungeons of death cuz sefris and nihiloor to me are just so awesome
I made a kalain deck and have actually had a lot of fun and some good wins with her especially if I use 6 treasure tokens on my 5/5 dragon
I said to myself at the start of this episode that if Prosper is ranked below an A, I’ll have to go on a Rakdos rampage. Time to hurl some people through hell!
(Although…I’ll be happy if my playgroup also underestimates Prosper’s power! Save mana on Commander Tax 👍🏻)
I'm thinking Targ Nar would be best in Xenagos, but even there he's not amazing.
delina may not be a stellar commander but is a absolute monster in my temur clone deck set up a stupid multiplier with adrix and nev equipped with helm of the host brudiclad and sakashima (partner one) coming out as brudiclad all triggering off making a total of 2058 adrix and nev so when you attack with delina you roll and either make 2 to the 2058th power attacking clones or do that and roll again either way its not pretty
First S tier mono-white commander!!! Lets go bois!
Some of these commanders suffer from the lack of support from new mechanics. Its the same for mutate and foretell. However I love my Ranar deck, it still works with fun blink effects!
So Mitch, just out of curiosity, which of these commanders are you playing?
The dice roll thing gives Vrondiss a TON of gas.
Klauth + Wulfgar. Need I say more?
I'll be back I must prepare for the werewolf set
I desperately want werewolves to be relevant!
Alright, after seeing all these d tier picks, I challenge you to find a way to make them decent. I'm sure it's possible for all of them with the right kinds of card draw or search your library effects, like with historic searches or something.
I pulled Promo Xanathar at my LCS's prerelease event. I already had my Xanny deck, hoping to get him.
While Krydle isn't as good as the CMDR, I put him the 99 because he's great support for other rogues--like Zareth San the Trickster--if you use him as Rogue's Passage on a creature.
@@tylerrusnak7736 I traded a Commander Legends Scroll Rack for Old Gnawbone(OGB). OGB's gonna go in my Chatterfang deck.
In 1v1 MTG, if you can get Xanathar to stick he is *absolutely* oppressive if he sticks
i have just played a game of limeted against a xanathar and he was brutal
I am disappointed that the B-eholders got an A-tier rating. Not saying it's wrong, just... you know.
Im disappointed they didn’t use all colors for a beholder with each eye being a different ability. Similar to a campaign on critical role
Don't take this personally, but you also said Heliod, Sun Crowned was the single worst commander from his own set, even though he is arguably the best mono-white commander.
So yeah...not surprised I disagreed with a lot of these rankings.
It's Eddie's fault
@@matthewp3542 we both know that's a lie...but a comforting lie.
I predicted or made a wolfgar like card way before it was spoiled. so im glad theres an officail one
Why is Wizards so afraid to print a card with "can only use this twice a turn"?
Sefris would be absolutely busted without the once per turn
Yeah as she stands with a well tuned deck even if you disregard other sources of venturing it’s easy to get a creature a turn cycle. She’s like a 3 mana 3 color Meren that can reanimate any creature. Looters are going to be insane in this deck.
She's busted if you can pull multiple dungeon ventures in one turn, or on enemy turns, which is possible but you need lots of mana and probably more discard effects, ltb effects, or better sack outlets than her precon. I only play casual myself but I doubt she could hold up in competitive, unless someone can prove me wrong.
Sefris is S-Tier if he based it on the other cards synergy in its deck. Also imo, Tiamat is B-Tier at best
@Volrath or make a planeswalker that synergizes with dungeons like every time you use a loyalty counter, venture.
@Volrath Give it time, maybe it'll happen. Though I think those of us that like dungeons are in the minority.
The only problem with this set (in edh) is that unless everyone at the table is rolling dice, you're going to be at a luck-based disadvantage. The set is fun, no doubt. Far more casual. Just make sure everyone in your play group is down for a super casual game.
in playtesting, Xanathar should be at S tier... and potentially an Anti-Meta pick in commander because you control what they top deck
Currently in the process of weakening my Nihiloor deck because people hate it so much. The deck is literally a CEDH snipe Deck. Do you know how many CEDH commanders have easy to match power for theft? And when my whole deck runs omnoxious, low to the ground creatures that all work like Daxos of Meletis, Nightveil Spectre, or Theif of Sanity people start to get real salty.
I have to disagree on Gretchen's placement. She's basically a nerfed Thrasios, but that's still incredibly overpowered. She's boring, yes, but definetly not middle of the road in power level.
Remember everything that has legendary in it's typing doesn't mean it's a commander.
That is quite literally what legendary means
Do you mean not everything that has legendary SHOULD be used as a commander?
You should do another under used cards video,
Or jank cards video. my favorite new jank card is sire of stagnation and it’s caught everyone by surprise using that with storm cauldron gets pretty funny
I think Targ Nar would've been amazing if it wasn't legendary. I mostly play commander, but running 4 Targ Nars in an arena deck would've been tight.
Kind of wanted Galea to be able to cast stuff with flash - similar to Elsha
I feel that Brunor is a very powerful voltron commander. I’ve won on turn three with him.
i don't like tier list vids when they're structured like this. I'd rather the cards be ordered randomly and and then allocated to the tiers randomly as opposed to going from the bottom of the list and slowly progressing. i think the appeal of tier list vids is in some part due to this lack of structure
Prosper and Xenathar are S-Tier imo. Very powerful!
Forgotten realms has a few pack tactics and a few clone token options..... it combos well.
Why only some legendary creatures goes to Mtgo?
Farideh is OP as a commander if you have multiple 100 sided dice. There is no spec, so....yea, that one deserves a bump.
You’d need a card that told you to roll a 100 sided die though