The Big Three Great Leaps Forward with Handgun Design
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- In this informative video, Reid Henrichs of Valor Ridge discusses the innovation and traits of the three most game changing pistols. #firearmtraining #secondamendment #firearmsinstructor #firearmstraining #military
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old fart here, dont like plastic guns. its ok for parts, not frames. that said, also like SA/DA hammer guns, not strikers. im sure you know clint smith, cool guy. run what ya brung. ❤
The Heckler & Koch VP70 (produced 1970-1989), chambered in 9x19mm, was the first polymer-framed, striker-fired handgun. The Glock 17 , chambered in 9x19mm, didn't enter production until after adoption in 1982 by Austrian military and police.
John Moses Browning was way ahead of his time with the design of the 1911 (and the design of so many of the different types of firearms he invented). The fact that the 1911 platform still has its place in the modern firearms scene is a testament to that. Glocks are also phenomenal pistols. If you do your part, then you won't be at a disadvantage with either platform in any situation that can be taken care of with a pistol.
I would say we are in a "Golden Age" of firearms. We are so blessed with advancements from those early designers.
Can you please address the UN Small arms treaty that is the heart of all current and future 🔫 control. Thank you sir.
Oy vey, I wonder who could be behind such a thing 🤔
The UN can eat it! ...there, it's been addressed.
Patterson was a 5 shot revolver. 36 cal.
Walker was 6. 44 cal.
The fourth great leap forward was the Hi Point
5th was canik 🤠
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6th is a toss-up between Jennings and Lorcin!😵💫
You mean leap back?
@@BattleGn0me Hell.... Glock was technically a leap back....In 1980 polymer framed pistols were already 10 years old, and rifles nearly 20...
locked breech striker fired pistols were over 80 years old... it was the 2nd generation of Browning's slide operated striker fired pistols that started WW1.
I am a huge 1911 fan. I like the slim grips of the single stack, especially for my wife. She is very tiny at 5' nothing and 100 lbs nothing, yet her favorite is my all steel government model Gold Combat. The cheapest of the slide triggers on the 1911 are better than most hinged triggers.
I agree that the Glock was a great leap forward, and i believe that it was essentially the point at which the pistol was perfected.
That being said, there weren't really any features of the Glock that hadn't been used before in the past.
Glock's achievement was to pick out the best features from past designs, and bring then all together into one modern design.
Glock would have been the great leap if Gaston had used the correct grip angle. Fortunately there are countless polymer/striker pistols that do use the correct grip angle.
Not a single original idea, and thus no real leap. The VP70 did literally all of them, except the trigger dingus, but that goes goes back to an old Iver Johnson revolver.
@@ColeDedhand with a proper thumbs forward grip the Glock shoots extremely well. I don’t really like the feel of them either, but they do shoot very good for me.
😂yeah but what about the annoying Glock fanboy?
Glock wasn't the first polymer frame. it was not the first striker fired and was not the first double action. Gaston was just a phenomenonal businessman. Just like Browning was a one of a kind designer, engineer, and fabricator. A Guinness.
The simplicity and low part count on the Glock is also significant.
Alvin C York was from Fentress County Tennessee
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My list:
Borchardt C93- first handgun with a detachable mag in the grip.
FN model 1900- first handgun with a reciprocating slide.
HK VP70- first handgun with a polymer frame.
Far more accurate list.
Vp70 was shit and didn't influence anything.
@@ivankrylov6270 Well it sold well enough to be made for 19 years, and it obviously influenced Glock.
Circa 1982 there were two pistols with the following features: polymer frame, striker fired, polygonal rifling, high capacity.
One was the brand new Glock.
The other was the 12 yesr old VP70.
@@presidentmerkinmuffley6769 the only similarity between the glock and the vp70 is the frame material on both is called plastic
@@ivankrylov6270 Both use strikers, both had polygonal rifling (70 was extra deep), and both had high capacity before it was the norm.
Love your books, and thankful you continue to educate through your videos. Looking forward to getting back to Valor Ridge. 🇺🇸👍🏻
Reid, you have been banging out good information videos lately.
Honorable mentions:
The Colt M1889, the first double action revolver with a swing-out cylinder
The Browning High Power, forerunner of all double-stack magazines that fit in the grip
The Savage Model 1907 predates the hi power with a double stack magazine.
Someone once asked Elmer Kieth, how fast can you fire a single action Revolver ? Elmer answered, As fast as you need to ! 😅
I was issued a 1911 as a crew serve(0351). Then in STA2/3 as a side arm with the M40a1 system. I'm a cold war relic.
Gonna guess Colt’s revolver, browning action/1911 and striker fired action/glock.
Read I love your videos, but you made a slight mistake with the Patterson. The Patterson is a five shot revolver.
320 was the next step up with the FCU modularity
Thank you, Reid.
IMO humbly
1.the revolver / Patterson
2. The self contained cartridge/ Colt SSA
3. Smokless powder
Another Educational Pistol video....Thank you Reid..
I think the tilting barrel action was slightly brushed over I NC mentioning the 1911. Most pistols designed today function on the tilting barrel.
Hi from Florida’s Emerald Coast; I’m loving the history lessons. If there is such a thing as a tactical nerd I would fit that archetype nicely 🤣
Thanks Reid.
God bless you Reid for all you do!!!
Don’t carry a Glock these days, but I’d never feel unprepared with one. I’d agree with all specific leaps forward.
Well said Reid!! Glock also has one of the most reliable uber capacity OE mags out there. The 33 round happy stick. Now I'd like to see Reid go the other way. Into the future with what he foresees being the top 3 innovations that will take handgun tech forward.
Glocks and semiautos in general are a great leap forward. Yet, even today, I regularly see body cam videos of cops with jams and FTEs during their encounters with ne'er do wells {especially where close physical contact is involved}. And they are trained and drilled to use their weapons properly. In real world encounters with adrenaline, shock and surprise in play, they do malfunction. Despite the revolver's limitations, it still has its place for those that desire ultimate reliability in a repeating shot pistol.
Overlooked (unintentionally, I bet) one of the most important parts the 1911 pushed forward: ergonomics.
Magazine release? Safety lever? Slide stop/release? Not too many pistols out there that don't have them where Browning put them.
Still carry the 1911, but will change it up with a Sig when I want smaller and lighter. Just am not 100% convinced that the polymer is as great as they would have you believe.
The Smith and Wesson Model 1 with a bored through cylinder was the first to allow for modern metallic cartridges. I believe that firearm was a significant leap in technology prior to the 1911 semi automatic worth honorable mention
Before I watch.
1 plastics
2 striker fire
3 high cap mags
Mine are…
1. Having bullet, powder, primer all in a shell.
2. Cylinder revolvers.
3. High capacity mags
@@FightingTemplar I’d agree. Modern cartridges, semi auto development then the g17. Not really the same thing but pistol red dots are a huge increase in capability along the same lines as high capacity magazines
@@CiviTac The G17 really didn't innovate anything, all of its innovations were already done, polymer, polygonal rifling, high cap (18 rnds), striker fired (not an innovation thr C93 and FN1900 were striker fired), all can be said of the VP70, from 10 years prior.
So the New York reload was invented before the Patterson revolver. That’s cool!
Happy memorial day 😊🎉❤
Nothing "happy" about Memorial Day.
Freedom is not free it was paid in blood by past generations period
I totally agree with the 1911. And I’m not even an old fudd. I only got into handguns in the last 5 years. My RI 1911 shoots as easily as most of my 9mm handguns. Sure it’s heavier, but that mitigates the recoil of the .45 round.
I still want to get a Glock 19, cause I’m a sucker for the classics. 👍
I know you never left, but I'm so glad you're back. I remember you from a little before starting Tactical Response. You put a certain someone on their ass.. And I loved it lol. Anyway, cheers, friend. Long time follower and subscribed to your books. Much love.
Good stuff, Reid. Not a Glock fan boy here, although my last duty weapon was a G22. It was by far the easiest handgun I ever used to qualify.
I jumped in line a few times for the CMP 1911s and I never got one so I got tired of waiting and picked up a tisas a1 ‘asf’. I would never buy a Turkish shotgun but I’ve been told by people I trust that tisas makes an excellent 1911 and I agree, it’s not a 1:1 replica but it’s 90% of the way there at a fraction of the price. I’m heavily contemplating picking up one of their Marine Raider M45’s.
Is there any place in 2024 for revolvers as EDC pistols? Keep up the great work, God bless
Thank you.
What a good video, so much rich history, I love it! Keep up the good work bro, what good clean information, old school!
The C93 Borchardt was the first semiauto pistol to have magazine inserted into the grip. The first semiauto pistol was the Salvator-Dormus M1893.
The Borchardt was also striker fired.
I HAVE A DOUBLE STACK 1911 IN 9MM , I ALSO HAVE A BROWNING HIGH POWER IN 9MM , THEN MY M65 357 S&W 4" BARREL THOSE ARE MY CHOICES . I AGREE A GLOCK IS A SO CALL NUGE UP IN DESIGN .
But, do you have any actual training?
@@charliefoxtrot5001 8 YEARS IN ARMY AS TANKER AND YEARS OF DRILLS . I WAS TAUGHT TO POINT SHOOT LONG BEFORE RED DOTS . I AM 63 SLOWING DOWN GETTING OLD HAPPENS .
@@jackmorrow427 Not sure why you post in all cap, which is the Internet way of yelling at people.
You might want to consider taking a modern firearms training class if you have not had any training outside your service. It is quite different!
Point shooting and red dots are two completely different things.
Wow, haven't seen you in a while. Good seeing your content again.
Loving these recent segments brother!
Have a Happy Memorial Day Reid!
Thanks Reid!
Have a peaceful Memorial Day brother. 🏞 👍
Fn hi power was by far the most influential pistol ever made
Way more so than the 1911, and maybe as much so as the glock
Glock would have been the great leap if Gaston had used the correct grip angle. Fortunately there are countless polymer/striker pistols that do use the correct grip angle.
It would be a great leap if he had actually innovated anything.
@@MrSPHANDLE Two mags to undo what for some of us is years of muscle memory??
Right..... do you also have a bridge for sale?
Glock made striker fired pistols popular, but the technology was around in the 1880s. And HK made striker fired polymer pistols before them. Still love Glocks, though.
God bless you and all those who died for this country, on this Memorial Day my brother….
Great vid thank you for sharing your thoughts and giving this insight.
Most modern pistols are derived from the browning hi power not the 1911
The Hi-Power is the improved 1911, with the CZ-75 being the improved Hi-Power.
We need you and The Fat Electrician to get together and go off and a rant about communism…. That would be another exciting episode!
MORE HISTORY PLEASE!!
another great video thanks for sharing!!!
3:00
everyone forgets.
colt with the 1911, also created parts interchangeability.
one of the military requirements.
It took it from Gribeauval system (France, 1765). The first known application of this concept dates back 24 centuries ago (Terracotta Army).
@@natmaka
nope.
the Gribeauval system standardized ammunition.
not parts interchangeability.
the terracotta army has nothing to do with it.
they are clay figures.
not firearms.
@@grayman7208 Nope.
Read the Wikipedia article titled 'Gribeauval system'. Calibers and therefore barrels, carriages and parts were standardized.
Read the Wikipedia article titled 'Terracotta Army'. Section 'Weaponry': the terracotta army was equipped with real weapons. The factories which produced this 'army' were using standardized weights and measures established by the Emperor. The limbs of the statues are interchangeable, as are most parts of the weapons.
@@natmaka
it must be a comprehension issue.
standardization of equipment is not parts interchangeability.
standardization of equipment means all units have the same equipment.
parts interchangeability is when you place all the parts from multiple different firearms in a container, randomly pick parts and assemble each firearm, and each firearm functions.
no hand fitting required.
colt did that.
not gribeavul, not the terracotta army.
like i said a comprehension issue ... you defeated yourself with what you posted.
@@grayman7208 This is about a concept and being able to apply it, given current limitations and constraints (state of the art).
Terracotta army: parts (from statues and weapons) were standardized and interchangeable (albeit faces were deliberately not identical), to an extent corresponding to tolerances realistic ~2200 years ago and given the types of those weapons. This was clearly intentional, given the amount of them and constrained variations of their characteristics.
Gribeauval: same. It was for sure intentional as documents from the time state it, and various objects (cannons, cannonballs, carriages...) remain and had been analyzed.
Colt: his goal (the concept) was the same but, in practice, technology and market pressure (production costs were to be contained) did not enable him to reach the "all parts of all instances of a given model and production run are interchangeable" graal, albeit he was closer to it than his predecessors thanks to technological progress.
Your "randomly pick parts and assemble each firearm, and each firearm functions. no hand fitting required" stance is false.
Contemporary brands are way (way!) closer to this goal than Colt was.
This is about a concept, and being able to understand it beyond any arbitrarily chosen criteria such as "sub-millimeter tolerance".
Gaining more experience will help you to grasp it.
Realistically, people who carry revolvers scare me more so than those who carry semi-automatics. They are so confident.
Thanks Again for a great video can you do a Video on red dots on pistols and your thoughts on the subject.
Reid is honestly one of the best on RUclips. It sad he doesn’t post videos every day he is old-school but new school.
Well, he is also quite busy training people and running a business.
You may find a 9x19 Glock with 100k
You won't find a .40 with that.
Armorer, 20 years
The original Patterson Colts were 5-shooters...
I ♥ pistols! 🇺🇸
This guy is amped up!
I have yet to walk into a gun shop and not seen Glocks for sale I have three myself like them just as much as my 1911
I really wonder about our current generations, we have made leaps in software and computer hardware, but where are the leaps in firearms or automobiles. We've seen fewer advancements in the things people need than in the years gone by. Maybe im just not excited about the tech industry's advancement so I'm not giving enough credit? Well thats enough ramblings from me. Thanks for the video!
Yes. They are.
HK VP70 was the first double stack plastic/polymer pistol but the blowback design was destined to fail. Glock was the first truly successful plastic pistol.
Hi Reed. Enjoy all your videos. 1911 my favorite handgun. Own 3 of them:
Springfield Armory, Colt and Para Ordinance.
Thinking of moving from Florida to Tennessee is there a way we can communicate other than RUclips? I have some questions.
The biggest leap forward in all firearms was the invention of the round.
sw model 10, 1911, glock
I would have never guessed that a revolver was developed before cartridges!
Reid, I have three children that I am introducing to firearms. Do any of your books apply to them? They've been to the range twice, and their ages are 22, 20, & 15. Thank you Reid.
😂 You make me glad my browning high power was my first handgun.. SOB 💪 still works fine 😔
better quality, more accurate sights
for the algorithm.
Glock is also a modular pistol, can easily accommodate modifications and upgrades much like the AR's.
If I was a pirate back in the day 2 scatter blasters SBR early shotguns would have been my choice on deck with close quarters fighting
back on ur channel
HEY BRO A MAN IS HIS OWN WEAPONS SYSTEM??????? A STICK A ROCK OR A GLOCK???
Lmao imagine seeing a dude jump out of his truck n get in agun fight w a black powder pistol! You probably wouldn’t be able to see him thru all the smoke
Great vids
And please dont forget the great leap backwards with rhe p320 series. What a disaster that is and will be. Sig cant admit the gun has big problems and because the military adopted a version of it... It will bankrupt them to admit. Navyman8903 did a great video on all of the failures. Cracked frames, broken parts, not to mention the civilian and le guns firing randomly 100s of times at this point. Leave it to the military to pick the absolute worst option and put our troops at a disadvantage with proplamatic equiptment.
Spreading the good word of Gaston! I’m definitely in the Glock flock.
Algorithming for the comment.
Glock definitely kicked off the plastic fantastic 100%. I have honed down my pistols to plastic guns, I trust them with my life & very very reliable... the pistol consumer is the winner today because companies have listened to their customers and produced pistols to the consumers demands.. Canik & the tp9 ( the one with the decocker on it) is one of the first companies to start listening to the consumer and started making pistols to the consumer demands, so in a way we owe a nod to Canik for some of these badass pistols we have today from multiple companies..
Except HK did it 10 years prior.... and Remington had polymer rifles in the 60s. Glock just marketed and handed out to LE for pennies.
@@presidentmerkinmuffley6769 those never cought on in any way, the vid was how the industry was impacted.
@@gleamtarrest6310 The Nylon 66 did actually catch, they just never went past 22lr as that was the market niche that needed filled at the time.
Further he was talking about leaps in design, hence the title, and while the industry is impacted; the core subject is the design.
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Reid, I hope you are okay with it, but I'm still voting for you for president, just like last time.
Hows the livestock doing?
FN invented the striker fire pistol in the 1940s.
It's hard to make improvements on firearms nowadays. With all the regulations, they have going against firearms & innovation of them. The government doesn't want you to have anything new & improved. They want our firearms to be old, outdated, and useless compared to what they have. Like the Glock switch, I understand it inaccuracy, but the technology behind it is pretty cool. States with their 10 round magazine laws are neutering your weapon. Technology went from 6 round chambered barrel to 8 round magazines to a 100 round drum. See, they make good innovative technology illegal. Govt Sucks!
Full-auto Glocks were invented in 1986! Laws restricting magazine capacity exist only in a few states and do not hamper innovation.
I carry a beretta 92 apendix. Is that dumb, Reid?
No sir. You only had 5 shots with a Patterson
You ok bro?
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Commie tube is scrambling your video
2 PIECE GUN. YOU MUST HAVE A MEGAZINE. ONE TRICK PONY, ONLY GOOD FOR CLOSE RANGE SELF DEFENSE, NOT FOR PRECISE TARGET OR HUNTING.
I want my 13 minutes back.
The Luger, and FN1900 were striker fired. There were no items that Glock actually innovated, he just did it cheap.
A fractured history of firearms helps no one. And then of course, as expected, we arrive at the Church of Glock. New gun buyers take the advice of the guy at the gun store, who sells what he actually has in stock and what he makes money on. The same thing happens at the car dealer. In both cases, they are telling you what is convenient for them. The Glock is VERY convenient for them.
LOL. A $600 Glock is NOT very convenient to a gun store vs. a more expensive firearm, neither is a cheap car to a car dealer. You just seem to be obsessed with Glocks. That's all.
@@charliefoxtrot5001 You should inquire at a gun store before you make such silly comments.
@@davidkachel What would a gun store tell me? Why is my comment silly? 🤷
Iron your flags
The glock uses polagonal rifling which IMHO is unreliable. Also, I would *NEVER* under any circumstances trust my life to a firearm that does not have *BOTH* a grip safety AND a thumb safety. That damned trigger safety is a "Foot in self soot" waiting to happen and in fact has happend numerous times. I will agree that the glock will put them exactly where you point them but the lack of REAL safety features and the polagonal rifling make the entire platform *GARBAGE*.
There is however one feature on the model 1907 savage which (rightfully) lost out to the 1911 that I think would be worth taking another look at. As the slide comes back under recoil it causes the barrel to rotate due to the lugs riding along a groove in the slide. The direction of rotation is opposite to the direction of the rifling in the barrel so the mass of the bullet rotating in the barrel counteracts the rotation of the barrel from the lugs / groove. This slows down the recoil and keeps the pressures inside the barrel for longer so the 1907 savage had a higher muzzle velocity than any other firearm of its caliber with that barrel length.
I believe the savage also outsold the 1911 during the time of its production and is a great backup carry sidearm to this day.
< edit > the savage also has no real hammer, it is striker operated too! < / edit >