How to Build a Wooden Double Gate That Won't Sag!!
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- Опубликовано: 24 дек 2024
- See how I built my 13.5 ft wooden gate so that it doesn't sag! Have you wondered how to build a gate that will last? Here's the place to start! Whenever we bought this house both gates were in a state of disrepair. I don't like doing things twice, so making sure that I do it right the first time is worth the extra time and effort. See how the blend of notching, gluing, and screwing the frame can add strength, rigidity, and prove the test of time for you! I previously posted my other double gate build, but after many comments about including the latches, hinges, correcting the music volume, and better detail on the half lap joint process, I tried to make a better quality video with more detail. I have had my other gate for 4+ years and it is still going strong. For those of you who state that this gate will eventually sag, you're right... wood rots, metal rusts, and rock crumbles over the course of time. Nothing lasts forever, but if you're looking for a BETTER way to construct a gate that will last longer, is stronger, and cheaper than other materials, this video should surely help! Thank you for joining me for Rutter Renovations!
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I like the idea of preloading the gate frame. I learn something new everyday. Thanks.
Thanks for the comment!😊
Yes indeed I have learnt something new. Thanks about the preloading tip !!
I watched this video and it completely removed the fear of building a gate. I followed this video and built a single 5' gate and it worked perfect and now looking forward to trying this on a double gate. Appreciate you taking the time and making this video thanks!
Awesome!! Great job!
The cross memembe should be less than 45 degrees or it puts too much stress. Now 50 more people will watch this and do their youtube video.
Thanks. Great video. Good content. Gets right to the point without trying to be comical or annoyingly entertaining.
😂 Thanks!
A nice easy affordable demo. The finished product looks great. All gates do sag though. My experience is to have something in the middle for the closed gates to rest on when in the closed position. This lengthens its life. Also if you use properly dried timber and paint it afterward it will have more life.
Thanks for the comment! True true!
It looks like pressure treated wood. You don't want to paint that.@@rutterrealtygc
I need to make my own temporary gate and this one is perfect for me, the opening and the tools I posses! I don't have a table saw but I figure a router would have the same outcome. Cheers mate. Too bad we can't put photos in comments to show you the end result.
Thanks for them comment! Glad it helped!👍😊
Heres a little helpful tip when putting the gate up. Lay them down as they would be when attached. Screw a board the majority of the length at the bottom and top. Now with some help stand it up in place and block it up. After the hinges are secured remove the boards. This will help assure they are perfectly lined up
Nice. I didn’t mind this. Also, if the ground is uneven, depending on the height of the frame, they might not line up perfectly due to the need for a height adjustment.
that’s smart thanks👍🏽
I liked the way you loaded the gate, very good idea.
Thanks!👍😁
Great video! Very detailed, yet to the point! I love it!
Thanks!
The gates look good. They’re correctly braced. The next weak link is the post which can migrate through the earth with continuous load of the gate. That’s why you see closed gates resting on a block. If the gate is inline with the fence a cable and a turnbuckle from the top of the gate post to the bottom of the next line post should slow that down. I think that’s why those ranches in the movies had really tall gate posts with a sign bearing beam across the tops to keep the posts from leaning in.
Definitely need to get oversized post 6x6 min, preferably 8x8 and sink them DEEP!
Exactly correct. Over time, the fibers in the timber bend with the weight of the gate. This may take several years. Another solution is to put a pre-loaded wheel on the gate end. Edit: Or just use a metal or concrete post.
actually looking at gates braces they are more than 45 degrees . therefore NOT braced correctly.
@@reallywontsufferfools1620 45% is the ideal, not the right or wrong. If it had to be 45, you could only build square gates....🤨
@@joemendyk9994 wrong
Totally recommend this video . I had no idea how to build a wooden double gate until I followed this and was delighted with the result. Many thanks !
Awesome to hear! Way to get it done!
How is it a year later?
OUTSTANDING VIDEO!!! Thank You so much for taking the time to do this video and sharing it, AWESOME JOB! PLEASE stay healthy and safe out there!
Thanks!👍😊
This is great and very clear instruction. Nice voice too.
Thanks for the comment!
Looks great for any mobile home!
Thanks for the comment!👍
A very well done and professional instructional. Lots of both visual and audio detail. Emphasis on safety was excellent.
The only thing I do that's different, and this by no means a criticism, just a suggestion, is that I use gussets and carriage bolts on the corners where the diagonal pieces meet. Living here in the hot south west even the best glue doesn't last long because of the shrink and swell of the wood over time and sun light. Ten to 15 years at best.
Thanks for your time and effort putting this together.
Thanks!👍
I like that notch technique. It works good for me. Great vid.
Thanks for the comment!!👍😊
I built a 55 foot picket fence including an 8 foot gate 4 feet high with 1 1/2 inch space between pickets. I built the fence and gate the same way. I then cut one 8 foot section right at the post and down the pickets and rails. I cut only until I had cut through one rail and put on a hinge. Three hinges on each side. I then cut through the rails to make 2 4 foot gates. I then put on the gate latch. I then put a pipe just in front of one gate down into the ground and put a metal rod in the pipe to keep that section closed which kept both sections closed.
Sounds like a lot lighter weight gate.👍
I go through all of the haters against your methods and like I feel your best response is do it your own way and quit hating! My question is what is the length of each individual gate? not the total of the two. I need a 7' single gate and I don't care if it sags over time. It's my gate!
Thanks!😂 It’s about 7’ per gate.
i'm sure I'm not seeing this right, but that locking pin you dropped at the very end. You should lower that top 'pin holder' you created and lower it to the point that the pin is up high and clear of the ground but not so high that it comes out of the bottom pin holder, then just twist the pin and the gate swings and the pin is secure. This will be your 'the gate is sagging alert when it starts cutting a line in the ground. :) Great job and I did learn a lot, thank you.
Not following you on the pin "twist" portion. I'll see what I can find on that!
I'm with you on this one DontTrust. The pin should have a small protrusion on it. Look at your upper bracket and see if the hole doesn't have a small elongation somewhere; that's where the pin slides through if you want it to, and stays up if you don't.
yep something wasnt right there. i like the hinges on the inside of the gate so it dosent stand out as a gate but guess itd have to swing in only and not outward. i need my gate to swing out ward but like to hide the hinges. good video thanks
Good one! I would recommend using a lighter weight wood for the pickets. The contrast in woods look real good and gate would be just as strong anyway and much lighter in weight. Improving overall function.
Nice!👍😁
I highly recommend a cordless impact driver. Ryobi makes a drill and driver set that regularly goes on sale for $100. I bought mine about 7 years ago and will never go back to putting screws in with a drill.
Totally bought the brushless set after I made this video!😆
Nice use of table saw to do the lap joints. Everything well explained. Thank you.
Thanks!👍😊
I do the same
Very dangerous without a miter gauge.
You did an excellent job of explaining
Thank you for the comment!
Awesome! I watched your video today and made my frame. It is just setting up and will get at the rest of it tomorrow. Thank you so much - Karen (not one).
🤣 “Karen (not one)” So funny! I hope it turns out great!!
Amazing demo! Also you dont see corded drills alot in 2023/2024 but whatever works
😂 I now have cordless. I could t stand running out of battery which is why I was reluctant to get a battery operated drill. Battery technology is way better nowadays though!
Pretty good guidance. The only thing I would do different is the cane bolt. In the "locked" position, you're only going through one bracket. That will be very easy to pull open. Get a properly sized cane bolt that always goes through two brackets in both the open and closed position.
Thanks.👍
Cane bolts should come in three attachable pieces: two to keep the bolt straight and a top piece to hold it in the open position.
Great detail, shows the little things that make the corners tight & square.I hope my gate replacement goes as well!
Thanks for the comment! I hope it goes well too!!
Nice job man I gotta rebuild our gate and you got really good ideas thanks
Thanks for the comment!👍😊
Works perfectly 👌
Awesome! Glad your project went great!
Lots of good tips here, thanks. One point, a little extra care drilling toes and gluing would make your final product look a lot nicer.
Thanks! Great feedback!
Very nice project video
Thanks for the comment!
Nice job my friend 😄
Thanks for the comment!👍
Nice tip on weighting the end of the gate down to show the play before hanging the fence. Pickets..
Thanks!👍😊
Excellent video!! Thank you for sharing.
Thanks!👍😊
Did you put a piece of metal pipe or conduit in the ground to receive that ground latch?
I did.
Basic good start video. Thanks
You’re welcome! Thanks for the comment.👍😊
I built mine like this years ago. The issue that developed a few years later was the top warped outwards even with a retainer at the top. When I build a replacement, the frame will be made out of some sort of metal
I've had mine for years and it is still going strong. Try and get the wood as dry as possible so it has less chance of warping as it dries out!
Word of warning, freehanding the half laps on the table saw is dangerous without a miter gauge to hold the board square. If the board twists just slightly, the board will kick back.
So true! Make sure you have a solid work surface with clamped wood!
I use a sliding mitre saw to do my half lap joints.@@rutterrealtygc
Could you clamp the wood and use a circular saw to get the same results?
@@douglasbaldwin3812 yes, its just ever so slightly easier to make a silly mistake but there are several ways to do that
That and probably a chisel to clean it up
Love your videos, I’ve been waiting for this.
Thanks for the comment!👍😊
Great video
Thanks for the comment!👍😊
So, you did leave the corner posts in? I could not tell from the video angle. Thank you!
I left the original posts, yes.
Well done
Thanks! Hope it helped!
The half lap is a great choice for this and you have the diagonal going in the right direction. But unfortunately it’s still on an angle greater than 45° (from vertical). So over time, you are still going to get some sag. To prevent it or keep it to the minimum possible, decrease the diagonal to about 40° and it will work much better. If you don’t want to put in an additional upright, that will increase weight, consider notching the diagonal into the top rail so you’re not just relying on mechanical fasteners for attachment.
Good tips.👍
Nailed it!
👍😁
Well done!
Thanks for the comment!👍😊
Awesome video! I had a few quick questions and this answered all of them and some I didn't know I had yet! Thanks a ton Ryan!
Great! Best of luck on your project!
Awesome Job.
Merci from Montreal Canada
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6:08 i would move that top piece towards the bottom of the gate so the rod has more support and stability. then add a hook or something off to the side that the rod handle swivels into after lifting it out of the sleeve. that way you dont have to remove the rod every time you want to open and close the gate
Yeah! Good thought!
I have that exact lower slide bar stabilizer. It is designed to use it and not remove it at all. There are bulges in it so all that you have to do is lift and twist, to catch the the bracket. Then twist and let it drop for re-locking.
Looks great, are the braces at least 45 degrees? Some say that they have to be at least that in order for them to give good support.
I don’t know what degrees they are...🤷♂️
The braces look well under 45 degrees to me, so expect this gate to sag in the future!😢
@@edthompson9337 Under 45° from horizontal. Over 45° from vertical. I’m afraid you are correct though. 45° is the magic number here and if you don’t stay under 45 (from vertical), you’ll get some sag over time.
I like the lap joints. The only thing I would do differently is use carriage bolts and nuts on the hinges instead of lag bolts. After a few years, the wood weakens and the lag bolts pull out.
👍 Ours have been good this far.😁
Nice job. You didn't mention squaring before screwing door final assembly!
That’s because when you have a half lap joint, it should already be square when the two pieces of frame are pressed flat together.👍😊
PREload, never thought of such, LOOKS great, BUT, what does it look like a year+ latter when all that wood drys out? I'd have to spend a week at Home Depot sorting out boards BEFORE I could start
Still looking and working great!
Hey he's doing a great job he using tht jst for show we all know he do has impact drills
Lol😆 I actually just got one… so thankful!😂
How much space did you leave between the two gates for the latch?
Probably no more than 1/2" inch.
Do you have to do anything to strengthen up the existing posts? I have a situation with a weak post.
Absolutely if you have a weak post! Strong posts are CRUCIAL and play a large part in making sure your gates down sag. If yours is weak, you should replace it with a new and stronger post!
Half lap joints are really strong and really wrong. I built a gate like that. Water will get between the pickets and the frame where the half lap is. Over time it rotted mine in one corner. You cannot replace a glued and screwed half lap joint without replacing the whole gate. I cut out the bad corner and then butt joined replacement pieces and connected them with pocket holes screws. Pocket holes should be oriented so they cannot fill with water if possible. That means pointed uphill or towards the sky.
You actually can replace a half lap joint… I know bc a hurricane broke two of my joints and I replaced the boards.😁👍
nice gates😊
Thanks!😊
Just out of curiosity, doesn’t the pressure treated wood shrink and wouldn’t that affect the glued joints?
Haven’t had that issue yet.👍
haha your are the only person in the usa that does not use cordless tools. i dont know if your intention is sarcasm or not. looks like that gate will last a while. nice job
😂🤣😆 I hate running out of battery in the middle of a project! Lol. Cordless is SO MUCH EASIER though!🤣
Came here to say this lol!
Great video! Can you post a link to the pocket hole jig that you used?
www.homedepot.com/p/Kreg-Pocket-Hole-Jig-KPHJ310/310410042?source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&pla&mtc=SHOPPING-BF-CDP-GGL-D25T-025_007_PWR_TOOL_ACC-NA-Multi-NA-PMAX-NA-NA-NA-NA-NBR-NA-NA-NA-Power
Good job sir
Thank you! 😁
What were the two by fours braced to on the doors were they 4 x 4?
6x6 Posts held the gates
I have a 20' gap that I want to put a gate on. Would it be feasible to do this to that size gap??
That’s a pretty large gap… I don’t know that a single gate spanning 10’ would be a good idea unless it was welded steel or aluminum. I believe it would be too much weight if it was built in the same fashion. It definitely wouldn’t last as long.
Great. What direction did your fence open to?
In
Very nice
Thanks for the comment!
How long did it take to finish the project? Great job by the way
Thanks for the comment. 2 days. You have to wait 24hrs for glue to cure on the gate frame. If it weren’t for that, it would be 1 day.
As an actual fence builder, I approve because this kind of work is what keeps us in business 🤣🤣🤣. Bro, doesn't even know how to properly install a drop-down bar.
Thanks for the comment! Best of luck with your gate building.👍
No different to first ones, design wise?
Correct. It showed a few more details that people wanted to see with the hinges.
I used this design a year ago. Still no sagging in the gates. 👍
Awesome! Glad to hear! Same!
Thanks brother!
You’re welcome! Glad it helped!
How much would you say this would all cost to do?
Less than $150 in materials if you already have the gate hardware.
What kind of wood you use
Treated Pine 2x4 for frame.👍 Pine pickets!
Hi - can I do this with a 20' width 6' height?
I feel like that would be pushing it… I feel like I’d go with metal at that width. You could always try. I believe this gate is almost 14’.
How do you do a double gate when you have some elevation ?
You have to get custom hinges unless they open down hill that will elevate the gate when opening.
@@rutterrealtygc thought so.
@@rutterrealtygc tha ks
I would frame 2x4 so 3.5 in stiffins face of gate. Diagonal brace down to center from hinge
Do it your way!👍
Thank you
You’re welcome!😊👍
Nice one
Thanks for the comment!
You should read the directions on that bottom latch. When installed properly, that rod goes thru both brackets, and stays that way.
Yeah, they were never installed correctly. I like being able to store mine without it dragging. Does proper installation allow for that?
What size wood did you use to build the gate?
2x4 for framing. 6x6 for posts
Thnk you so much, complete newbie to this.
De cuántas pulgadas es de ancho la madera
All framing is 2 x 4.
Question - if my gate(s) is made up of two 8' wide panels, can I still use pressure treated 2x4's? Or should I increase the wood size to 2x6's??
Great question! I haven't built one wider than 14' with 2x4s. You could try 2x6s I guess. :/ If I were building something that wide, I would probably start looking into a medal framing (like a farm gate that you can get from tractor supply) and attached boards to it. The cheaper route will probably be to try the wooden version though. Let me know what you decide and how it goes! :)
@@rutterrealtygc agree
Yes a metal frame would be much better
Youre going to want to steepen up those diagonals to an angle greater than 45 degrees for that brace to do its job as a compressive strength brace.
Gotcha. Still doing the job, thankfully!
Those half laps are real nice, but totally unnecessary. The angle brace takes all the load. If you secure the those joints well the gate will never sag. Anytime my angle exceeds 45 as measured from the vertical I install a 6" carriage bolt, washer and nut through both the top and bottom joint.
I've used half laps when building gates using cedar, for decorative purposes. I built this nice set of cedar drive gates, and made cedar lattice for the top. (The rest of the job had cheap pine lattice as supplied by the contractor) It was a fun thing to do; I built them at home. I glued and clamped everything. I had intended to go back and reinforce the joints with fasteners. I forgot. The gates lasted from the mid to late 90's until Katrina. They were submerged.
Katrina got so many of us!!😢
Question: my gate (our house) is at the end of a cul-de-sac and therefore is at the end of a wind tunnel. Any ideas how to protect the gate against very strong winds during the winter? The last gate would blow open no matter how I barred it from the inside, plus it eventually weakened one of the mounting posts.
We had a hurricane and I forgot to brace my fence. It twisted two of my gates shattering the frame. I’d recommend bracing them open, screwing the gates together during wind storms, or the best option would probably be putting in heavy duty posts, poles, or metal rods that can be removable. The little metal rods that come with these kits are good for everyday use, but not for wind storms. You need something longer and a greater diameter. I would probably put a thick metal cylinder in the ground and the have a removable rod.🤷♂️
take a look at hit and miss fence or gate construction. wind passes through, but you still have a secure and private finished job.
Very nice tutorial. Short and to the point. But your choice and drills makes me cringe, lol!😂
🤣 I just hate running out of battery midway through a project.😁
Thanks 🙏 for the video
You’re welcome!!😊👍
Is there a way to make the notches for the corners with a miter saw..?
Yes, you can make the initial cuts with a miter, but you will have to use a chisel and hammer to clean up what’s left. The more cuts you make with the miter, the easier cleaning it up will be.
Is it normal for the gate to wobble like that sound like you made a squeak is that normal
I’m not sure what you’re asking… was that in the video?
Is that not more that 45 saw a video were they had nice blocks that can make a gate frame with them just just like building blocks and anything less that a flat 45 going to that inside top corner it sag with alittle wight on it the ture held all the weight no issues
Do you use Siri for this?😁
This gate will still end up sagging over time. The brace is over 45 degrees. Looks like yellow pine, and it will warp overtime. Looks nice but it’s not going to last.
I’ve got news for you… even it it was 45 degrees or less, no wood is going to last “over time”.😁 Metal rusts, rock crumbles, and wood rots. It’s all a matter of time. This is just a means to show how to build an affordable, well build double gate, that will last longer than other methods.👍
@@rutterrealtygc of course, I agree. But doing it at a 45 degree angle at least will make it last a little longer.
Because your brace, which looks like it exceeds over 45 degrees, is doing little to nothing to keep that gate from sagging. It doesn’t cost anything to just have the brace at 45 degrees.
You made this video a while ago. How is this gate doing right now? How long did it take until it started sagging?
How far apart are the posts?
13.5 ft
Would cedar work?
Cedar is supposed to have natural elements that protect it from the elements. There are many fences made out of cedar. :)
What size lag bolts?
Probably about 3” long and 1/2” diameter
Awesome
Thanks for the comment!👍😊
Good man..........I see you are wearing a respirator while cutting the pressure treated wood. I do this myself, even outdoors like you were. Oh, your shadow gave you away.
Lol! Yep! Good practice! Pressure treated wood is nasty.
Your cross brace shouldn't be exceed 45 degrees. 45 degreed is the maximum support strength. The farther past 45 you go, the weaker it gets.
This is true… I didn’t check the actual degrees, but it has been holding up great. Thanks for the comment!
Nice.
Thanks! Best of luck with your project!😊
I frame mine out of 2x4 cedar, its a fraction of the weight of PT pine.
Good call!👍😊
U pre drilled....good boy 👦
lol! Thanks!
this is great! i plan to do the same. If i use 2x6s for the frame instead of 2x4s would that put too much strain on the posts?
I don’t know, I haven’t used 2x6s before🤷♂️😁
The best way to build this is to have the gates approximately 2-3 cm up in the middle while attaching the planks
Feel free to do it that way.👍