Why Does Till Lindemann Roll the R? German Explains Rammstein's Vocal Style | Daveinitely
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- Why Does Till Lindemann Roll the R? German Explains Rammstein's Vocal Style | Daveinitely - Hey there, fellow language enthusiasts and German learners! Welcome back to Daveinitely, your gateway to immersive language learning experiences. Today, we're diving into a fascinating linguistic exploration surrounding the one and only Till Lindemann and his distinctive rolled R.
🎤 In this video, I, a native German speaker, will unravel the mystery of why Till Lindemann rolls/trills the R in his singing. Is this unique sound related to a German dialect, or are there other intriguing reasons behind it? Join me as we embark on a linguistic journey to decode Till's iconic vocal technique.
🎭 We'll also delve into the concept of 'Bühnendeutsch,' a theatrical dialect that Till Lindemann often employs in Rammstein's performances. Discover how this adds depth and drama to their music and lyrics.
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How much influence does dialect have in German? Here's a funny story: My wife and I are Canadian but my wife's parents came to Canada from Sachsen, in different towns near Dresden. My wife grew up in a German-speaking house and did not start to speak English until she started going to school, and is fluent today. On our first trip to Germany we travelled in 6 different states in the east and south, and when my wife spoke to people I noticed she had quite a different accent from them everywhere we went, which I assumed was a Canadian accent.
Until we went to Dresden. At one point we were in a Taxi going to the Hauptbanhoff with all of our luggage and my wife started a conversation with the female Taxi driver, who complimented her on the excellence of her German. I was sitting in the back seat listening to the two of them and sometimes I couldn't tell who said what.
Growing up in Canada, she still spoke recognizable Sächsisch!
Kids pick up accents really well, I'm from the Netherlands (So I speak Dutch, I learned my first German and English from watching BBC and German television without subtitles) and as a kid I went to see family who moved to Switzerland. After a couple of days, maybe a week, in that German speaking environment I was speaking Dutch with a Swiss accent (well, that region of Switzerland) to my fellow Dutch origin family members. :-)
Dialects still survive these days, but in certain regions, they might not get taught as directly anymore. I know of certain schools in Northern Germany that also offer 'Niederdeutsch / Plattdeutsch' as a school subject, which I think is pretty cool. I like the sound of 'Plattdeutsch' a lot! :)
@@Daveinitely The Männerchor I sing in does 'Eine Seefahrt die ist lustig' which is a plattdeutsch song. It's a lot of fun (yes, I'm an old guy). And one guy in the choir comes from Hannover and does a pretty good low-German accent when he has a few beers.
@@Daveinitely By the way, this is a very well-thought-out video.
Interesting stuff dude.
According to my Polish friends I sound like a drunk German (Bavarian) when speaking Polish, although I'm from Newcastle in the UK.
Accents are fascinating things :)
Till's stage persona is quite a bit different than his off stage personality. There is a difference.
I would totally agree, Amy. He seems to be a rather introverted guy, whereas he puts on a very extraverted stage persona for concerts and the Rammstein cosm (and I don't mean that in a bad way at all).
far as i know Till Linemann is agoraphobic or at least was, back when Rammstein started. That definitly was quite defining for his onstage persona. If he still is agoraphobic it still is defining. If he isnt i would guess he kept the persona that worked and that he is known for. Rammsteinshows work quite a bit differently from other musicians shows and you kind of need this kind of persona for the shows to work. I personally love Rammsteinshows but i also love more interactive ones.
Til Lindemann strikes me as a very well-spoken and articulate type of person in “real life.” Wasn’t his father a poet? Basically, he comes from an academic family who were probably quite middle-class, despite living in the Communist GDR, and this is quite evident when you hear him speak and read interviews.
There’s a difference in fried and baked chicken
Genious comment. That probably fits all artist that perform on stage
When my oma and opa tried teaching me German when i was a kid, opa taught me to roll the r's and oma got pissed when i did. Interesting experience. Lol
Are you Brazilian?
She got pissed bacause you couldnt do it ;)
You can benefit from it in Spanish.
Til himself said it's because of the way he sings (holding the notes) combined with his deep voice.... But I'm still watching, because German language love.
I love black people interested in Germany
I love that you know that
Jawohl verstanden
Correct
He began to roll the "r" because it allowed him to pronounce the words better in the baritone tessitura.
Also rolled r is the original r in almost all european languages: french, danish, english..
@@unknownfrenchman5371 Yes, that's true.
Honestly, I think it’s a rhythmic thing as much as anything else. When you listen to a track like “Rammstein”, his rolled R sounds *really* emphasize those heavy downbeats…like he’s drumming with his voice or something along those lines.
Till Lindemann is an Artist and a Genius, I Love this band
im an american born german and they're one of my favorite bands
the band and i are just really good friends, you have nothing to worry about when they go out for long periods of time.
And handsome man. I heard he is a kind hearted person
Maybe he's Scottish all along
Hehe :D
That aggressively rolled “r” is more similar to Finnish than Scottish English.
Am Scottish, can confirm we roll our Rs plenty
The Scottish pronunciation of 'warm' (warrum) sounds just like 'why' in German.
@@KieranMc727 i dont even have a brouge an i still roll me arse lol my scottish mouth is genetic? lol
The first time I heard a German singer roll their r was Nina Hagen. Her octave range was Unreal. Cool Germanic memories...
Yes! She even collaborated with the guys on 'Seemann'. :)
Tills voice and accent to me is like ear candy💕❤☺
When the ads are Rammstein Songs 😍
I like the way the "r" sounds when Till rolls it. It's stronger than the usual "r".
There's something powerfull when he sings but his voice sounds soft and kind when he talks. It's weired and sweet at the same time.
Even stronger than when Damiano David singer of Maneskin rolls the 'r' as in 'parla' in Zitti e Buoni.
@@lemsip207 it's evident that the guy from Måneskin can roll the R like me in Spanish. There's a difference between R and RR which is stronger. Like in Spanish, pero and perro or guerra, which comes from Germanic werra. The R at the beginning of words also is pronounced with a double RR, like in ropa, which comes from Gothic raupa (brought by Visigoths who came from Gotland, Sweden), and raupa came from Germanic raupjan. Robe has a similar etymology if not the same, a bit different but comes from same Proto- Germanic as well as the others mentioned. Ward and guarda come from the same Germanic warda.
English Wardrobe
Italian Guardaroba
Spanish Guardarropa (has two R so we roll it more than Italians in that word), same origin.
Basically, we are rolling R all day long as well as other Romantic languages, except for French. As the Latin R was always rolled since its creation. I'm still looking for answer about if the R were rolled in Old or Middle German. I know R were rolled or tapped in Old Nordic and Old English.
@@Gossosgrocs There was a video about the drummer not being able to do that. I can roll the r as I am Welsh born but can't do the r moscia because I started learning French too late at the age of 11.
How about you try to scream RAMMSTEIN from the pit of your lungs in a baritone voice with a soft "r" from the back of your throat, without sounding like a middle aged bookkeeper. Lots of singers do it for the pronunciation and sharpness. Even in opera...
RAMM......... STEIN!!!!
In ones deepest voice is very hard to do from the back of the throat. The rolled 'r' like the Spanish 'r' is a much better work
He has been quoted as saying "when you hit pitch that low, it just happens. You end up just rolling the R"
That’s true. I just tried to sing the word “Wunderbar” in a really deep voice and you do end up kind of rolling an “r.” This topic always interested me because I had never heard of Germans doing this kind of “r” rolling.
I've been rediscovering Rammstein during this self isolation. I forgot how phenomenal they are! Their staging is like Pink Floyd on roids. I listen only to them to get my ass walking outdoors. I'm in my 50's but teenager again on their music.
Greetings from Boston, MA! 👋👋
MA. Richie from Boston said y'all are locked down and army rolling the streets is that true
@@Redshomested Not true!
@@sonjaleesloth thank you
Rammstein is just awesome, its my favorite band.
Greetings from Germany ^^
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I studied opera in college and also spent a summer abroad learning German art song in Austria and everything you say about Till makes perfect sense to me! He very much reminds me of the German diction classes I took to effectively project a rolled r in a big theater and his voice overall is quite operatic in its timbre and the roundness of his vowels. Loved this video!
I have noticed the same with Nina Hagen - clearly from her opera background.
Ah yes! I completely forgot about Nina Hagen! She would roll her 'r-r-r' s in a few songs I recall. Trained in German theatre and opera. Good example!
Apocalyptica did a cover of Seemann, and had Nina Hagen do the vocals. She sounds exactly like a female Till!
he started to sing, using the rolled "R" because in the first studio recorded Album he had to sing so low that he couldn't sing a good pronunced "R" without rolling it. Flake said that in his book "Heute hat die Welt Geburtstag".
and they dindn't want to provoke anybody with the Riefenstahl footage, they dindn't even think about it. Watch the Making of Stripped.
I've been trying to connect with my German roots for a while now, and I LOVE Rammstein too, this channel is great.
I'll always have a soft spot for Germany and Rammstein
As a foreigner, the reason why I love Rammstein so much is I get to focus on the notes and the music rather than lyrics. I don't really prefer even knowing the full translations, just to know what each songs narrative is and hearing the emotions in the tones of Till's voice and the chord progressions. It's a unique experience.
As I'm an "only-knows-a-few-words-in-German-has-to-guess-everything-else" kinda guy, Till's pronunciation is really helpful. Clear, crispy, easy to differentiate between words, this helps a lot to understand the message.
I've been curious about this topic ever since I first started listening to Rammstein. Thank you for enlightening me!
The 'stage German' makes the most sense to me, even as an American with only mild comprehension of Deutsch- but that comes from being a fan of Brecht and listening to old recordings of Die Dreigroschnoper. And I know the Rammstein guys love Brecht as well.
Exactly. I couldn't even understand why so much fuss about that 'r' -- compared to Morität in the original 1931 Dreigroschenoper movie it's nothing. That was really rolling. Und derr Haifisch, derrr hat Zähne, und die trrrägt errrr...
I actually never noticed, haha. Maybe it’s because I’m Dutch and speak with a rolling-r myself. I only noticed a difference when you played the part where Till spoke ‘normally’. Your videos are very informative!
As someone who enjoys Rammstein but doesn't know any German language, I found this video to be very informative and well put together. Thank you for the insight.
Thank you for the analysis! As a huge Rammstein fan who's learning German, I always wondered what the deal was! You mention he rolls the R, but I find he also pronounces words like "ich" and "dich" like "ish" and "dish", which I *know* is not how people speak.
I know I'm late to the party, but what native German speakers fail to appreciate is how German sounds to non German speakers.
German, being a guttural consonant language has a very dynamic range for foreign ears. Till is aware of this fact and I think it is at the heart of Rammstein's International success.
Thanks for putting this out there!
What a facinating look into how and why rammstein sounds the way they do. Awesome video!
Pretty cool video! I definitely learned some new things. Thanks!
Im very happy to have found your videos. My desire to learn German has been brought back to life. I have German heritage and I want to embrace it completely. Thank you for your videos
I saw Rammstein and German so I clicked because someone can finally prononce things right
Has anyone just asked Till why he rolls his Rs?
DE4DF1SH idk it may have something to do with his social anxiety
thank you for breaking that down. rammstein is my favorite band!!!
Coronavirus lockdown is getting to me. This vid was recommended for me and I just watched the whole thing, even though I haven't listened to Rammstein since the late 90s. It is interesting though
You've missed out on many awesome Rammstein tracks then! Feel free to browse around, I've analyzed various Rammstein lyrics and explain their linguistic features in English :)
Same)
OMG, you hit all my buttons with this vid. You're articulate, intelligent, you spoke Deutsch (Ich war eine Austaus Schülerin) and I looooove Rammstein as well as learning about languages and dialects. 💓 Vielen Dank!
Im so happy this channel exists thank you so much!
I'm happy that enjoy are interested in watching my videos, too! :D Thanks!
Question: Why does Till roll the letter R?
Answer: Because he can? and it sound cool
This a wonderful video and presentation. Finally found a band (late in life) that resonates with me very strong.
This is freaking awesome. Thank you for this video.
I've used rammstein to teach myself German for years, i started when i was 8 and i am now 23 going on 24, and i can actually hold small coversations in German, i knew about the different dialects but i didnt know exactly what parts of Germany they came from, i did know that Hoch Deutsch is the most widely used dialect though.
13 yrs did your parents drop you as a baby.
@@arsonb7753 what I was thinking, if you really wanted to learn German it should only take a few years max
@@arsonb7753 oooo cruel!
Not cruel just adding fuel to the fire people sometimes just need a push I found it helps most when you are negative in ways.
@@DavidHowe-nv1nb I don't see where this is a limitation.
This was fascinating. Really great. Danke sehr!❤
All new my guy, I didn't even know I was interested in dialects or language till I watched this video. Keep up the good fight!
Und wieder etwas über meinen Lieblingssänger gelernt. Vielen Dank für dein Video 😊
Very interesting. Thanks for the explanation / interpretation!
Well in my experience, no matter where I am, German Opera has been sung with rolled a R so maybe it's to add an operatic element, which I find often really adds to the epicness.
Klasse Beitrag - informativ und interessant
Great man Im learning to play a couple of songs and this was parfect TY
"In the typical Rammstein style it would sound like this: ..." Just loved it! 😂
I think those R's also make his German a little more familiar to Italian and Spanish people, who are already scared by the German language itself 😂
"Frühling in Paris " also has non-rolling resources, so it makes sense that the softer and quieter songs have the softer r's. I was wondering about this as well before, thank you for your interesting videos!
Autocorrect changed "r's" to "resources" ... geez, makes my comment a little confusing. "Fuhre Mich" has non-rolling r's only for the word "Fuhre", maybe so it rhymes better with "Fuhle"
Great video! Now I'm going to watch some of your recommendations.
So cool to know. Thanks for the video. Big fan from Norway (first...fan of Rammstein....and you
In French Opera, trilling the "r" is a must. There are many singers that sound one way when they sing, but sound differently when they speak.
Makes sense. I always thought he rolled his 'r's for dramatic effects.
Very interesting! Good stuff!
What a fascinating video. You know sometimes you tube recommends the best stuff that really hits the spot!
Loving all the ramnstein content, it's awesome thank you. It's so fascinating how there's so many different dialects in German. To me I think Till rolls his rrs on certain songs because it's become a trade mark of his, and sounds awesome :-)
I just discovered Rammstein and fell in love with them so finding this playlist was hitting the lottery 🎉
Awesome! Enjoy the ride 😁
The lead singer from Sabaton also rolls his "r's".
You brought up some great points and that was great! I learned a lot from this video. Also though when most singers hold a note they hold it on a vowel because it sounds more pleasant to the ears so you're right he probably wanted it to sound harsh so he rolled his "R's" to do so. Rammstein's lyrics are usually pretty intense and they want to bring that intensity to the sound.
Thank you!
That was so freakin interesting. Thank you! 💕
I studied opera in England, we were taught to always roll our Rs whilst singing English, French and German arias - as well as Italian of course. Great video! 🖤
Stylistic choice, 'nuff said.
I needed this channel
That Till impression was amazing 👌
Thx great video and info..
Your English is great! Very impressive..:) great video too! Love Rammstein!
Love this video so kool. thank you.
Fascinating!
The first thing that called my attention when I first listened to Rammstein back in 2002 was that rolling "r". I know a bit of German (I have German background), so I knew they were from Germany, but even people who didn't know a single word in the language could guess where they were from. I think the stereotype factor is one of the main reasons for Till to sound like that.
I also think the rolling "r" is perfect for ther type of rough music and Till graspy voice, it's like a great combo.
And finally, yeah, I've thought many many many times that they were inspired by Adolf H. speeches, a strong rolling letter shows determination and strength in your ideas, as if they were playing the main actor in an opera, just like A.H. would love to watch and imitate.
Last but not least, Great video!
FINALLY found this! Always made me curious.
Danke für die Erklärung!
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I’ve heard the rolling of the ‘r’s described as the alveolar trill. Bizarrely, I had an (Australian) girlfriend who also did this and her family was from UK! 😄 I love the way you deconstructed this and examined it from all angles. Very German 😄 Grüße von Australien 🇦🇺😎
Was she Welsh? We really roll our R's.
Thank you for this video. Will check out more especially the Rammstein ones
I spent three years in Deutschland and it was amazing. I didnt learn a lot of the language and over the years I have forgotten most of what I learned but I am trying to pick it back up. I miss that place and am ready to go back.
If you don't already listen to Heldmaschine, you should. They started as a Rammstein tribute band called "Volkerball." They have a song called, "®" which basically talks about how Till rolls his 'R's. When they play it live, they have replaced the "R" with an "L," an obvious reference to Till. Although they are no longer a tribute band playing Rammstein songs, their music is still heavily influenced by them, and the influence is obvious.
the mans a legend, i learned something new today :) hello my german friends from Texas!
I was watching a TV show and I felt like the accent wasn't "German" enough. I now understand that it is actually the Austrian accent that is the most beautiful and closer to what I consider German.
" Get to the Chopper!!!" 😄
12 minutes to tell a 5 minute story. Quintessentially German.
Quintessentially RUclips.
Politicians do the same thing. They babble for an hour instead of just saying, "The economy is f@*ked."
Sounds like my ex wife, and my mother and my sister and my....
Genau!!!
Freedom Rider Most women yeah! That's why I prefere men! As friends aswell! ;)
So, thanks, that's all the encouragement I need, I am going to learn German from Rammstein songs.
That was a pretty damn good growl when singing the chorus to "ohne dich", dave, ngl🤘!
VlogDave - Your videos are great! Ich bin Amerikaner und ich mag deine Videos! Thank you for presenting such good information about Rammstein and Rammstein-related subjects. Ich lerne auch Deutsch. I love the challenge and experience. Keep rockin' and vlogging!
Thanks, Peter!
Cheers from Germany! :)
I am so in love with till...he is a genius and a great performer...
I am an opera singer from the United States. I have always used Till’s singing diction. I’ve had compliments and been asked who I studied German diction with. I say Mr. Till Lindemann and my fellow coaches and colleagues say that I was taught the proper way to sing German lieder. I can’t help but smile, as they don’t know who he is. Some have even asked me to ask him to teach a German diction class for classical voice! I say hopefully someday, but he has another full time job 😂.
Thank you so much for clarifying ! I was aware of the rolled R in Southern German and Austrian dialects, but hadn't heard of the "stage German ". This totally explains why I was confused/assumed that operas were performed in the " Austrian" accent..I had just guessed that it was some tribute to Mozart .
LOL
Thank you man!! Very educational!!
This channel needs a lot more
That was very interesting. I had noticed that the rolled Rs seem to be omitted from the slower and more ballad-y songs; Rosenrot, for instance.
Lived in Germany for almost ten years. Almost everyone I spoke too spoke or understood English. Wished I had found this channel earlier!
I think I'm going to start paying better attention to your channel, as I hope to see Rammstein live in the next year or two. I'd also like to roam around the Bavarian region and see if I can find the town my grandfather spoke about, where many of the townsfolk had the same last name as him.
This reminds me of Kyo from Dir en grey, his English doesn't sound like English, and his Japanese (native language) doesn't really sound like Japanese. He changes the pronunciations of things on purpose to bend their meaning or fit a melody.
An incredible video I study German language a lot myself but I learned from you with you doing an amazing job!
Till was influenced by Peter Steele of the bands Carnivore and Type O Negative, Steele rolled his r's a lot going back to the mid the 80s. Early on Rammstein would cover a Carnivore song 'Technophobia' in their early years. Steele was from Brooklyn and rolled Rs are common. The Type O Negative song 'Gravity' has the line "Crushing Me" that turns into "Crrrrrrrrusing Me"
I feel so glad they knew about each other because they're literally my two favorite bands/singers
@@JunethSnowdrop One of Peter's last TV appearances he was asked to chose a song and went for a Rammstein one, even pronouncing it with a very long roll of the R.
Pretty sure they met a few times, and Till wrote an obituary for a German magazine when Peter died.
@@Djarra Didn't know that, thanks for telling me / us! :)
...and Rammstein main influence is Laibach...a Slovenian band formed in 1980 (then part of Yugoslavia)...Laibach is still underground (they don't really care about "success" as we know it), Rammstein on the other hand took the other way.
Same birthday
That intonation thing is also common among some foreign movies and tv/radio stations. I noticed when listening to news from Bosnia and Serbia they sound way different from how locals there speak. Most noticeable on old recordings of tv programs and news.
Canadian content - 40 yrs ago, a younger friend was taking German at University. In one of our conversations over a dutch b##r, he informed me of the "High" and "low" German language. The R's was something I remembered. As for Ramm - Well I am just a Fan. Cheers
Rammstein rules! Love the 80’s video game sounds!
This is such a cool video.
I love your videos! Rammstein is my favorite band. Til does them "R's" for sure but so did my mother. It's really just good ole fashion German! I ABSOLUTELY LOVE it. German language is the most beautiful language in the world!
Hey Rebecca, thank you for letting me know and for being so kind! :)
In Norway we learn our third language usually around our eight year in school. I chose german simply because I hated the posh girls in class who chose french. Haha. But I never got the "r" right. I struggled so bad. Several other students in my class struggled too - In the region I live in we use hard R's. When I discovered Rammstein the same year I just decided to go with the pronounciation Till uses. I learned more by doing that. And even if most people don't pronounciate german like I do, at least I can make myself understood.
The biggest probably only worldwide renown band that sings in german.
But we NEED A UNIQUE SOUND.
Can't fault em
I roll my "r" in German because I grew up hearing my grandparents doing it on a lot of words (not all), since they were "German" immigrants, but from modern-day Romania. I would love to see a video on the Donauschwäbisch accent/dialect.