Gladiator 2 is Frustratingly Uninspired
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- Опубликовано: 23 ноя 2024
- A review of Gladiator 2 pointing out most of its flaws like the poor character work and in general how it's a downgrade from the original Gladiator movie. This video also draws many comparisons between the two films and acts as a comparative analysis.
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Maximus was faithful to his wife and even had a son about Lucius’ age. The first film implied that Lucilla had a crush with Maximus, perhaps they even had a relationship before they were married, but that was it. Why turn Maximus a cheater, when the whole point of the first film was his devotion and loyalty to his murdered wife and son?!!!!
It’s realistic. That doesn’t take away the fact he’s a good man. The man was a general, meaning most of his entire life surrounded the military likely keeping him far away from his home for months even years at a time. but physical desires don’t just magically disappear. Not far fetched to believe that over his career (even when married) he at least occasional would use a prostitute and/or did stuff with Lucilla giving the attitudes they have towards each other in gladiator 1.
Hear, hear!
Because Ridley Scott is a senile hack with a penchant for cannibalizing and ruining his own legacy.
@@redt8311ok? .. haha but that was not the point of the first movie. It’s just pure laziness
@@MrWord283 It doesn’t take away from the point the first movie (not like he knew Lucius was his kid)… I’m just stating the realistic aspect of this scenario that should have already been assumed about Maximus tbh. Ignoring realism is it lazy? yeah kinda, but it’s not like narratively speaking the on screen relationship between Max and Lucilla didn’t give vibes that they likely had intimate history + when you factor my realism angle into this it’s definitely believable. As a bonus narratively speaking it’s nice Maximus bloodline didn’t end with him so in a way he didn’t truly lose everything even though he didn’t know it.
I think we all knew this when they decided to reveal the whole plot in the trailer.
Making a Gladiator 2 is one of those ideas that feels like an SNL joke. I still can't believe this exists.
True. I'm not going to the theaters for it 😂
It was great. Might even be more entertaining than the first
Ridley Scott has had some breakthrough movies but he has had more bombs than successes and he is getting worse with age. He needs to retire.
I feel like he's on a crusade to piss off every history buff.
@@NangDoofer Pretty much... also the fact that he has his own production company so he can keep doing it
It was great. There’s just to a trend to hate things with originals
First Napoleon, now this, THEY DIDNT HAVE FLAT TOPS IN ANCIENT ROME.
How do you know? 😂
Top Gun Maverick was essentially a remake of the first Top Gun, but it was done in a way that viewed didn’t feel cheated. It had heart. It still felt like a sequel, in which Maverick’s life continues. Someone probably saw the huge success of that film and thought that making a Gladiator 1.2 would be enough. It’s the same mistake done with Star Wars The Force Awakens, a mere remake of the true and only Star Wars.
It really wasn’t a remake at all though. The story is completely different
About becoming emperor, in the Roman Empire the only important requirement was getting the confirmation from senate. There were dynasties here and there (starting from Augustus, foe example), but being related to previous emperor or even being of the right social class were not immediate requirements -and there was no stone-carved line of succession. There were several incidents where the army or the Praetorian guard hailed the person with the biggest purse to the job and later the senators (also paid) confirmed the title. There also were numerous cases where the Praetorians killed off their previous emperor for coin.
It was not the most stable of system available.
Yeah, look who voted Trump in. 🤣😂
Love your review and your emphasis on the point of one's ability and strength to rule as opposed to social status although that had some influence it was not the overriding reason for being emperor.... blessed
1:01 IRL Caracalla and Geta were the sons of the previous emperor Septimius Severus who came to power after the year of the five emperors. Caracalla was made a co emperor by his father and Geta too a bit later.
But the Caracalla and Geta in this movie are so different from the real ones that they might as well be purely fictional characters with a completely different background.
The tigers in the part 1 were so good. There was a sense of danger
Because they were real tigers and not CGI
The monkeys look terrible 😂
On the motivation to fight: In the 1st film it wasn't just the fact that Commomdus killed Maximus family, but he killed Marcus Aurelius too. The empreror was a father to Maximus, and it was revealed in the film that Commodus & Maximus grew up together, something that Commodus touched on before the final fight scene (that makes us brothers). Even before he mentions how he'll avange his wife and son, the dropped the line "loyal servant to the true emperor Marcus Aurelius". The emperor, his father, also mentioned a lot to him
Its also this betryal by his "brother" that propels him to fight. What is even better is that throughoit the film, the audience knew Maximus' true identity: the real heir to the Roman throne & his desire to fulfil his father's vision for Rome was real. ("Marcus Aurelius had a dream Proximo. This is not it. This is NOT IT!")
But in the second film, it was: must revenge wife who died in battle. And I care about Rome because of Daddy's ring!
I mean, really?
In regards to the "sudden" rise to power of Geta and Caracella, ever since the death of Marcus Aurelius, Rome went into a very turbulent period of emperors coming and going very quickly. Some emperors lasted less than a year before being murdered by their own men or dying in battle. Two very unstable individuals inheriting the throne, and not living that long, was not an uncommon sight at that point. Emperors like Caligula, Nero and Commodus also had the reputation of being absolute crazies shortly before their demise.
Having just seen it last night, I initially thought it was decent, but the more I think on it, the more it sucks to the point now where I'm like yes, it was awful. 🤦♀️
Just stick to your feelings. It's ok to like something.
The critical drinker said: it's shorter than the original but feels longer.
Indeed. I kept thinking when is this thing going to be over?
Didn’t watch it cause I knew it was gonna suck, but hearing that it wasn’t inspired is surprising. I was honestly expecting magic and dragons n shit
I am not entertained.
Macrinus, the supposedly cunning and intelligent mastermind who manipulated his way to commanding an empire, for some reason decides to ride out into the middle of a battlefield between two armies to be met by Lucius. He then immediately agrees to a 1v1 duel to the death against the younger, more experienced and more physically capable gladiator HE helped create.
And shoots Lucilla when he could've taken out Lucius.
Not watched it. How does he get the Roman army to follow him? Just because he's maximus' son? after 16 years i doubt any of those men would have even served under Maximus.
Also, Maximus' story was supposed to culminate in him creating a republic, not taking power, and I don't think anyone would've considered Maximus the rightful ruler, so why would they consider his son the rightful ruler?
The army was loyal to Marcus and the general leading the army knew the ring Lucius gave him belonged to Marcus as his name was engraved in the inside of the band alongside Marcus Aurelius’ and Maximus’. It wasn’t due to Lucius being Maximus’ son.
And Lucius is considered the “rightful ruler” because he is the son of an emperors (Marcus Aurelius) daughter (Lucilla)
ironically, iirc the service period for a legionaire was 16 years, meaning the original soldiers should have retired.
for your second question - lazy fucking writing, M shouldn't have a son with that woman to begin with
They needed to bring back the legendary Tigris of Gaul!!
Gladiator Awakens.
AS WE ALL EXPECTED!!
Instead of using monkeys or rhino, they should have used brown bears or venomous snakes or somethings.
Gorillas with flick-knives.
There’s people comparing Lucien vs Macrinus to Maximus vs Commodus, because Commodus was also a far weaker fighter. Here’s why they’re not comparable;
Commodus acknowledges that Maximus is the superior fighter and “fixes” the fight by starving Maximus out for some time, tying him in a way that ensures he wouldn’t get any quality sleep, and stabs him five minutes before the fight. Maximus does win, but he also dies from that eventually.
Lucien has nothing working against him to balance out the age gap. If he had a broken arm or something, maybe, but as is, he’s fresh from a fight (where he solos multiple Praetorians), and Macrinus is a 70 year old without any recent experience.
It’s so pathetic to me that you have to have baboons and sharks and rhinos , it just shows even more the spectacle being made to make profit rather than take any risk to make an actually good film. It’s just dumbed down slop it’s not a film to me anymore it’s a product
By the 3rd act, i was actually rooting for Macrinus (Denzel) to win 😂. One of the Bright spots of the movie. He actually politic'd, Manipulated, outsmarted, and earned his way into power. He Kept his word to Lucius, he had no problem with getting his own hands Dirty when needed, and his motive and philosophy is directly opposed to the Good guys philosophy. I wish the other characters had this level of consistency and forethought into their characters. Instead, they seem to change and flip motivations with whatever the scene needs at the time.
An example of that being, Lucius hating Rome, his mother for abandoning him as a child, and Marcus for killing his wife, but immediately forgiving his mother, Marcus, and changing his entire life philosophy on hating Rome after a few words from marcus in the arena. Then Turning on Macrinus (Denzel) when, from his perspective, Macrinus has only done good by him and gave him exactly what he asked him for to that point (the head of the General).
Denzel lied about kissing another man in this film
Denzel is in his 70s, he ain't beting nobody in a sword fight
Noticed you used music from the legendary game assassin creed 2. Great piece of music
So I heard about the big plot twist. Doesn't this kind of fuck up Maximus's character and honour? How awkward is it in Elysium right now? XD
I would assume it wasn't a big deal. His wife and child from the first film were were his peace. The empress was basically a fling at court.
This happened before but I can't remember which movies.
not a cinematic masterpacie like the first movie, but the second one is still far better than 90% of crap movies we get today.. probably something like a 6.5 /10 - first movie was a 10/10
Damn so they copied even more than what I was afraid of. Its just a rehashed first movie. I miss when sequels atleast had potential to be good, LIKE SHREK 2!!! 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
Pedro Pascal's character is named Justus Acacius, not Marcus. The twin emperors were interesting characters, but I am disappointed there was absolutely no backstory for them. Denzel was amazing, the protagonist had no charisma at all. A pale shadow of Maximus and Russel Crowe.
the twin emperors were the worst. It’s like teenagers running Rome it’s not even believable.
"...there was absolutely no back story for them." that was the problem with the film for me, it never made me interested or invested in any of the characters.
I figured it would be a lame, carbon copy cash grab
Gladiator is one of my top three favorite films, I have no interest in this desecration
That’s ok, no one is forcing you to watch it
Paul Mescal always looks like he's finished a shift at his warehouse job, and they stuffed him in a costume and put him in front of a camera.
You are completely right!
It's just, why not just make a movie about a fucking gladiator that rises to emperor or something? Why make a re-make/sequel of a movie that you know you will not be able to compare to in the slightest. And how is this the movie we get about Rome with Denzel in it...Denzel should have been playing Hannibal crossing the Alps like 15 years ago
Macrinus was Berber in real life so he would look Moroccan not black African. But in Hollywood black washing is good and normal white washing is bad though. But it’s ok to not have representation for middle eastern and North African people
Well said !!
But all the Roman court and emperors being all white dudes isn't the issue? Or making a black man who freed himself from slavery from the main character's grandfather the bad guy is not an issue?
@@armando5846 why would that be an issue?
I absolutely LOVED seeing all the GOT clips sprinkled throughout this video! 😂
What happened to the music from. the first film......the music here was terrible
You need to give the public time to get to know the characters, make them love or hate them or find them at least interesting. The many, many references to Gladiator one: ..... I loved Gladiator one,, now this... I can't recommend. The scenario was repetitive, poor, vulgar (cut off heads, sliced throats...) A lot of battles at sea and the Colosseum: Our protagonist somehow got through them. What for? Everybody that matters is dead and we all know the republic is lost forever, at least for antique Rome....(sigh)
thanks for saving me $20, fuck this modern movie bullshit
It felt like a cheap copy of the original, tbh. Reminds me of JJ Abrams copying the entire plot of a new hope. However it had some positives, the main villain here is way better than Commodus in gladiator 1 has more of an interesting story. The good thing is the ending was well made and sets up for gladiator 3 which basically will be able to be a completely new plot from the first two. The bad part is that idk why they killed off Denzel Washington's character like he was actually good and should have been in the final movie but now they are gonna have to introduce a completely new villain and idk if they will have the time to properly develop a new villain.
Washington's character is closer to Lentulus Batiatus (p as portrayed (by John Hannah) in the "Spartacus" series.
I enjoyed the movie. Though making it a few minutes longer to pace the third Act out a little better, would've worked in stories favor.
AcII music is majestic
I can’t unsee it. Dude literally looks like Derek Carr 😂
home in florence nice one
It was great. Definitely was entertained and satisfied with the closure to some questions I had left after the first. Might have been more entertaining actually as I feel there was more action in this one.
This Movie was a disaster all through.
The editing was bad. The music was boring, except some tracks. The actors except Denzel were boring.
This movie was so unnecessary.
I would give it more praise if it wouldn´t be the Sequel to one of the more successful movies of all time.
Yup was thinking the same…. Tyson vs Jake Paul…. a joke
They should have used nick cave's script...
I refuse to believe Max is the fsther of Lucius
I genuinely think the color correction is inferior to the original
I just saw it and it felt like awful gladiator fanfiction. They relied on the original way too much to the point it made me roll my eyes whenever anyone said a classic quote. Also, the CGI looked horrible and it was ridiculous. Especially the monstrous monkeys that could bite through steel chains, the gladiator riding the rhino, and the freaking sharks.
I love fred hechinger, he plays one of the crazy emperors.
He is cute😊
Cute but poorly written
I think me enjoying this film is more a testament to how bad films are now that im willing to take more mediocre films than the actual quality of the film
Anachronisms and artistic licence galore in G2; Trebuchets used by the Numidians almost 700 years before their actual introduction in the West, sharks used in the Colosseum?? a Rhinoceros tamed and used as a tank in the arena?? Real Roman life was actually quite brutal, so why not stick to facts?
Was the Thrax character in gladiator 2 supposed to be Maximinus Thrax???????😂
Man I hate it I still don't know why those two ballons are the leaders of the rome empire in galdiator2. I mean sure they make it easy to be hated at but why they're even in that position in the first place... why dafuq the mom gave her child away which should be the new leader... D: It doesn't make any sense at all (like my english hehe)
Ridley Scot has been losing it for years. Prometheus and Bladerunner 2 were so boring I walked out of them. I only endured Napoleon becasuse I invited people along with me to see it - and then on the way home I had to tell them the ACTUAL story of Napoleon. This looks totally awful so I will give it a miss. A shame because the first Gladiator was really good.
Ridley did not direct the bladerunner sequel
@@michaelallen8391 You are right! I stand corrected. It was still damned boring though!
its baffling how anybody could watch the gladiator 2 trailer and think its going to be anything but slop.
Im literally 15 minutes into the original and if they ended it right now, its already a better film than Gladiator 2 and im not joking or being facetious at all.
Great video but “everyone delivers a great performance” yikes
"This is basically a remake" ... yeah, so?
idk, I quite liked it
This movie was a disappointment wall to wall. I want to go on a rant, but honestly, it's not worth the time.
The new one was total garbage
Denzel was great but the rest was 💩.
Denzel brought his New York mannerisms, his swagger and the accent although I wouldn’t get hang up on the accent, I just felt he was going to blurt ‘My Man’ on any given scene.. he could have been directed perhaps to be less anachronistic in his portrayal.
But i need an Arcane season 2 videooo...
This movie is such a disgrace
I was entertained by Gladiator 2, for me the final duel and speech of that movie justified everything. Nice too know Maximus’s unknowingly had a 2nd son who indeed did grow up, turn into a good fighter & (heavily implied) too became emperor of Rome. Gladiator 10/10. Gladiator two 7/10. The sequel is driven by overly realistic premise to make it happen but the payoff is worth it. I appreciate it for what it represents for the grand scheme of Maximus legacy knowing his bloodline didn’t die with him and his son became the good version of Commodes. Someone who had an automatic birthright or at least a vary strong claim to the throne but also had the right moral compass to be trusted with it as well.
The lead actor was the most disappointing. Came across as another hollywood DEI hire, when the part required a stronger/better actor with gravitas and charisma.
isn't Paul Mescal white? how is he DEI
"HELLA GARBAGE!!" 🗑️👎🏼 There was no point in even making a Sequel.....🤦🏼♂️, There were "NO!" female-armored warriors, Why monkeys 🤷🏼♂️ ???, Where the (F**k) did they find sharks from ?????? 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏼♂️ ????? why bruh?.....(WHY) !?"
The movie was just one boring trope after another. Terrible writing. Unearned character development. None of it made sense.
I illegally downloaded this movie and i want a refund
bet it was
The original isn't the legendary cinematic experience everyone thinks it is. Very disrespectful to history. Both should not be used ad any kind of historical learning.
I enjoyed Gladiator the first time I watched it, but it gets worse every time I see it.
Rumors say that dumb and dumber Wrote the Script
I can imagine they had a hand at some point. The movie was a work in progress for 20 years after all.
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Also,the wife was a cringe modern Hollywood girl boss who threw herself in battle.
I don’t like the movie but how was she a Hollywood girl boss? I don’t think she had an arrogance and snarkiness that is portrayed as positive vibe around her. She’s just resilient fighter? An archer even.
So it’s not worth watching, uh? Or is it worth watching?
I saw it in the cinema. It isn't some trainwreck or garbage fest, it is an ok film. Of course, it does not rise up to the heights of Gladiator, but it is simply ok. A bit much CGI for my taste.
@ gotcha. That’s what I assumed from the the video but my god, I wished it was better because Gladiator is a masterpiece of a movie and I thought this movie would at least be amazing! I thought it was going to be based off of general reception!
Don't know why you're surprised, it's LITERALLY all Hollywood does now.
Yeah, I actually had no idea this was coming out until I randomly saw a trailer for it and it looked unbelievably bad
I seen it and it's gay literally 😂
A Roman general thanking all the men and women warriors of Rome. It's a thing that happened in this movie.
Maximus was NOT in a relationship with Lucilla.
He always was. The first film even implies it
Yeah, replicants can't have babies.
@@armando5846 He wasn't. He was faithful to his wife. It's stated in the movie that his son is around Lucius' age. Why make up your own headcanon when it destroys the character of the MC? That's just sad.
You have been spitting out some L opinions lately.
While I enjoyed this movie for the things it did differently, it did copy the original a lot, usually in worse ways. Ultimately, if you can overlook the similarities, I think you will enjoy it. But if you wanted something different, then I wouldn't recommend it.
R. Scott director has not won an Oscar? So, will they pay for his first? Though the only actor to stand out was D. Washington. Denzel deserves it.
No Oscar for writing is deserved. Writing in monkeys and those stupid sharks. Really Ridley?
I was just so relieved to watch a film in which the leads were males and they weren't belittled by a female.
If it was too different y'all would complain. Instead it's too similar and y'all complain. Lol can't win
Assassin's creed 2 background music
What’s the specific name of the background music