Thanks for the video. Years ago i got stuck with some fake panda 1 oz coins.I stamped the word fake on them. I have them today to use as a teaching tool and if something should happen to me my loved ones will know about them and not pass them on.
That is a great idea. I only have these ones in capsules, so I mark the capsule as fake. (I dont have any stamps anyway) I like to keep the fakes in original condition to show how they come from the factory. I'll look in to getting some stamps in case I run across fake coins, or other items that could use the mark. The fake coins that come with the Pocket Pinger are already stamped "Fake copy"
@@WorldMoneyWins the fakes are getting better all the time. you got to check today, my panda's came from our local coin shop. they didn't catch them and i didn't check until years later so i couldn't really go back to them.
Damn! Ya, you need to check immediately when you get teh item. Ebay has awesome buyer protection, but if you wait 30 days, then it is gone. You are screwed if you wait. (I think it's 30 days. Could be longer)
I've seen some shiny Pan American bars that were legit. As soon as I saw the corners in the thumbnail though knew but good thing you checked and good to share.
@@FoxValleyStacker Archie kidd has a guidebook that is probably the most useful. You need the fifth edition. The other additions are not very good. There isn't a good reference for rounds that I can find
@@WorldMoneyWins agree. i have one good copy of archie kidd for bars of times past. i am waiting for someone to further add to this vintage empire into a literary place to go, and now we must consider the past 10-20 years of rounds and art bars. let's go !
@@WorldMoneyWins True, That's why we also do research, he could have guessed or expected this, especially with expensive things like gold. Very, very naive of him. Tell me honestly, he was certainly also in Bitconnect, right?
That 1st bar was AMAZING !! Hard to believe it's condition for '83 !! Great find !! I love that case of the fake bars. Those are great looking display cases vs storage cases. I didn't realize they were available to buy. Any idea of who makes them? Fakes are frustrating BUT Great lessons I agree that teaching others about fakes is super important. Question - even tho the fake was found during checking thru Tim's dealer friend - Do you have to surrender them? I've been lucky so far with no fakes with my recollection efforts, but I'd bet I've been fooled before and just didn't realize at that time.
I dont know who makes the cases that the fake bars are in. Tim's dealer let hm keep the fakes to educate others. Normally they will either refund the money or exchange for real bars. It was nice that he let Tim keep them. :-)
@ not sure what you mean. But most of their products come to fit a standard size of bar in 1oz or 10oz. Other bars don’t fit. Usually it will say what type of bar fits inside of em. Sadly they stopped making Scottsdale silver bar holders. Was only for stacker bars and allowed capsulated bars to still stack together.
@@The-Ant-Hillwatched the vid again in FF. that seems to be a standard case. Cases are used to protect and or display bars without worry of scratching the bars or causing tarnish. I listened while doing dishes so wasn’t sure if I missed something as for a display type of case.
I think you have about 30 days to catch it. EBay has excellent buyer protection, so you just click a couple buttons, and eBay will refund to you. If you wait too long though, then it's outside their return period.
Dopamine ain't cheap. So... when a fake is tested to be fake, it is a Genuine fake. Ping in the new year with a christmas carol made up of only coin pings. Great video. TY.
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I have used the Pocket Pinger to test bars. It works great.
i recently started to test bars with ping test. it takes a little getting used to, if you are already experienced with pinging rounds
Watched Tim's video on the Pan American. Great review of the fake bar Wins. Thanks for sharing! 😉✌🏻
Thanks Georgie!
Thanks for the video. Years ago i got stuck with some fake panda 1 oz coins.I stamped the word fake on them. I have them today to use as a teaching tool and if something should happen to me my loved ones will know about them and not pass them on.
That is a great idea. I only have these ones in capsules, so I mark the capsule as fake. (I dont have any stamps anyway)
I like to keep the fakes in original condition to show how they come from the factory. I'll look in to getting some stamps in case I run across fake coins, or other items that could use the mark. The fake coins that come with the Pocket Pinger are already stamped "Fake copy"
@@WorldMoneyWins the fakes are getting better all the time. you got to check today, my panda's came from our local coin shop. they didn't catch them and i didn't check until years later so i couldn't really go back to them.
Damn! Ya, you need to check immediately when you get teh item. Ebay has awesome buyer protection, but if you wait 30 days, then it is gone. You are screwed if you wait. (I think it's 30 days. Could be longer)
You do go shopping and I love your choices.
That magnet slide is pretty trick, great video!
Thanks! It's pretty simple but I think it's helpful.
@@WorldMoneyWins You really need the Purple Heart or Zebrano one to adorn your desk.😁
Those Zebrano ones are wicked cool!
Awesome bar pick-ups. Great informative video! That plumbing bar is really nice.
I was shocked at how nice it was.
You could add a specific gravity test on another video.😊
I have never done that before. I should watch some videos on it.
ive seen a couple on you tube, and of course way back in chemistry and physics classes. modern scrappers and casters do specific grav tests too
I've seen some shiny Pan American bars that were legit. As soon as I saw the corners in the thumbnail though knew but good thing you checked and good to share.
👍👍👍
Nice collectibles . . . Premiums are way too high for this stacker 😊
For sure! These are collectables, not for stacking. :-)
I’ve got a few of those A-mark bars.
They all have the same A0100 ‘serial number’
I think they are lot numbers. That would explain whey they are the same.
what is your most useful vintage silver bar and round reference?
@@FoxValleyStacker Archie kidd has a guidebook that is probably the most useful. You need the fifth edition. The other additions are not very good.
There isn't a good reference for rounds that I can find
@@WorldMoneyWins agree. i have one good copy of archie kidd for bars of times past. i am waiting for someone to further add to this vintage empire into a literary place to go, and now we must consider the past 10-20 years of rounds and art bars. let's go !
For sure. I wish the 6th and 7th editions were better. The 7th is basically a commercial for modern mints.
@@WorldMoneyWins by the time the 7th ed came out it was gone. we could use a meta-analyses of this industry, it is bars and rounds
@@WorldMoneyWins i searched for the 7th ed all sold out. and got the 5th, i needed to catch up and the 5th helped. we need a 2030 guide asap?
Good video! Yeah it was a bit embarrassing but putting it out there might help others.
It is for sure. I think everyone gets fakes at some point
Thank you for the very cool informative video. 👍
Thanks! 🙏
My LCS had 40 Ozt. Silver coins
They were all differant except 3
Canadian Timberwolves
all for 1 over spot on the sales
That's a great deal right now
You should stamp FAKE on the actual bars, not the capsules.
I like to keep them in original condition for educating
Metal verifier machine is quite expensive!
@@sumanngon absolutely. That's why it's good to have a good relationship with a local coin shop and sometimes they test for you
Ya should have pinged those bars, lol
@@jchihat I probably should have. I've never used it on bars I don't think
good pickups. havent come across any fakes yet.... that i know of
I think it happens to most everyone eventually.
another silly indicator that its probably fake is on the APMEX bar it says "1 Troy Ounces" with an s on the end for plural (more than 1 ounce)
Yep. I point that out in the video. :-)
that 1983 bar was 30.00 new in 83
$30 in 1983 is $90 today. He paid $45 for it
Thats a hefty premiums since it was around $12 an ounce in '83. :-)
I traded sheets of paper for real money. :-)
I’ve got a sunshine minting that someone gave me for learning purposes a while back
Its good to show them on videos to educate people. I almost thought of buying some from Temu to help educate.
Your buddy is very naive that he didn't know there were many gold fakes....
Everyone on Earth is naive until they learn. :-)
@@WorldMoneyWins True, That's why we also do research, he could have guessed or expected this, especially with expensive things like gold. Very, very naive of him. Tell me honestly, he was certainly also in Bitconnect, right?
No. He doesnt do crypto. He owns a company.
That 1st bar was AMAZING !!
Hard to believe it's condition for '83 !!
Great find !!
I love that case of the fake bars.
Those are great looking display cases vs storage cases. I didn't realize they were available to buy.
Any idea of who makes them?
Fakes are frustrating
BUT
Great lessons
I agree that teaching others about fakes is super important.
Question - even tho the fake was found during checking thru Tim's dealer friend - Do you have to surrender them?
I've been lucky so far with no fakes with my recollection efforts, but I'd bet I've been fooled before and just didn't realize at that time.
Airtite makes the capsules. As do a few other companies. Sign up for their email list they run sales all the time.
I dont know who makes the cases that the fake bars are in. Tim's dealer let hm keep the fakes to educate others. Normally they will either refund the money or exchange for real bars. It was nice that he let Tim keep them. :-)
@@JFEnterprize cool thank you !!
Do you know if that is a regular capsule for the bars or is that the display style kind WMW was showing there?
@ not sure what you mean. But most of their products come to fit a standard size of bar in 1oz or 10oz. Other bars don’t fit. Usually it will say what type of bar fits inside of em. Sadly they stopped making Scottsdale silver bar holders. Was only for stacker bars and allowed capsulated bars to still stack together.
@@The-Ant-Hillwatched the vid again in FF. that seems to be a standard case. Cases are used to protect and or display bars without worry of scratching the bars or causing tarnish. I listened while doing dishes so wasn’t sure if I missed something as for a display type of case.
Change your password we all seen the code. Great video by the way. 😂
That's an old iPhone that I use for eBay photos. 😂
Watch out for anything German silver. Marked 999 pure silver, if it says German than it's fake
Ya, I've seen those scams on Ebay. Gotta read carefully before buying for sure!
Pretty sure we could see ur phone unlock
That's OK. That is an old iPhone I use for eBay pictures.🤣
"kind of a collectable"? Does that mean it is actually not collectable?
Its collectable to some people, and to others its just metal.
Tap it against another bar and I can tell you.
Excellent video. I need to get a ping tester. I do the ice trick.
Why don’t you buy of a reputable dealer and not worry about it damn, even it cost a few extra dollars.
I do buy from reputable dealers also. This video is to educate. :-)
This is why I only buy from the main dealers. Apmex, SD Bullion, JM Bullion, etc.
It's also why I only buy coins (eg, Maple Leafs), not bars.
I never verify my orders maybe we should?
I verify Ebay orders from strangers. Not APMEX or Liberty orders.
@@WorldMoneyWinswhat is verify for eBay orders?
I use the Sigma, magnet slide, scale, and pocket pinger
What happens if they come up fake? Do you push for a refund? I don't buy off ebay ever. I hear too many bad things.
I think you have about 30 days to catch it. EBay has excellent buyer protection, so you just click a couple buttons, and eBay will refund to you. If you wait too long though, then it's outside their return period.
Personally would not buy a bride on ebay, 😂
With their return policy, that might be the BEST place to buy a bride!!
Nice advertising bar
Dopamine ain't cheap.
So... when a fake is tested to be fake, it is a Genuine fake.
Ping in the new year with a christmas carol made up of only coin pings.
Great video. TY.
I'm not that musicaly inclined 🤣