Using the Canon R Mirrorless Camera for Sports Photography for an NFL game
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
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Sports Illustrated Photographer and Canon Explorer of Light Peter Read Miller reviews the Canon EOS R from a sports photographer's perspective, Canon's newest mirrorless camera, and the first pro-level mirrorless EOS camera in Canon's lineup. This is part II of Peter's review and now includes images from the NFL Texan's game.
Peter Read Miller has been photographing athletes, events and the sporting life for more than 40 years. He is has worked as a staff and contract photographer for Sports Illustrated for more than 35 years. His images have appeared on over 100 Sports Illustrated covers.
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Pro photographer shoots NFL game with EOS-R and produces amazing images. Commenters complain the camera isn't good enough, then grab their $3000 dslr/mirrorless camera with $2000 lens and shoot photos of their pets and children.
Who'da thunk it. An actual pro reviewing a tool that he uses for work instead of a reviewer reviewing a tool that he, uh, reviews. We need more of you, sir.
absolutely. there are so many non pros talking about this camera.
Looks like an honest review from a real sports photographer.
But, but, where's the sniff test? Where's the fro????
this guy know what he is talking about, not just talking and no facts, love his reviews
This is a great review. Thank you. This answers a lot of questions and concerns I had about tracking focus during burst. I'm subscribing!
Framing the background with plants, bottom of picture frame, etc... really worked great. Always eager to see your new vids, Peter. Thank you.
Good to know that the R is adequate for sports. I haven't tried this yet myself as most of my subjects are stationary, but of course I want to be prepared should the need arise.
This gentleman belongs to the 1% of RUclips commentators whose opinion I respect..
Haha "Sorry about the model" lol. Thanks for all your help Peter Read Miller! Maybe one day I'll have a job just like yours
There are several dealbreakers for me on Canon’s mirrorless vs Sony’s A7iii or the A9. Most of what I’ve seen is the lack of matching Sony’s 20 FPS burst mode and the lack of auto focus tracking. As you stated, I think it’s a great step forward for Canon into the mirrorless world, but I don’t see myself running out to grab this for sports photography. I do hope that Canon soon comes out with something that can rival Sony’s lineup and if they do, I’ll purchase with no hesitation. Sidenote: **if you’re a Canon rep reading this, hurry up lol. I don’t want to leave but you’re not making this easy**
Very nice Review. Thank you... Oh my god I would loved to have your lens... 🙂
I'd be interested to see what you think about the EOS R now that they released the new firmware with the autofocus performance improvements.
Seth Moyer same here
Just keep the 1dx you done quite well with it!
Had u try the Canon RP on any sports games
Great real world review, thanks.
Thank you for another installment Peter. Please don't ever change this intro -- it's so good.
Steve Fine AND yourself? Looking a submissions?
People would have to pay to get that insight usually. I hope everyone submits a photo.
Thank You Mr.Miller.I enjoy watching these videos.
I think this camera is a promising start, but I don't see myself rushing out to buy it for the sports photography that I do. 5-8 FPS is not that bad as Peter points out, but since I've got SLR bodies that are much superior to that, I don't see any point to buying this camera. Now, when/if Canon develops a mirror-less full frame that is similar to the 1DX II or the Sony A9 (minus the buffer issue), I could definitely see myself buying something like that ... provided Canon doesn't slap a ridiculous price on it.
maskirovka77 Agreed! I have shot with a 1DX and now have an EOSR for portraits. The EOSR is great, but is nowhere close to using that instead of a 1DX for sports. Maybe someday.
@@derrickcleveland1681 But if you're not a pro, chances are very good you're not spending $5-6k for a camera - in which case the R enters the mix.
Great honest review. Our QB is Deshaun Watson and DE is JJ Watt.
I just bought that same camera and I like to be part of the Packer photography team...looks like ALOT of fun. I want to learn more and get more advanced. :)
Hello good day, could you share a raw file of the photos you took with the adapter on the Canon R. Excellent photos Greetings.
HI Peter! What are the best settings for Auto-focus on the EOS R for sports? Soccer for example.
I'm astounded with this camera, the EOS R is a mystery to me on some very fine points and I think you are the person who would be best to ask... It's about the shutter and what happens the moment a photo is taken... In a DSLR camera, the sensor was covered up or 'shielded' from the light until the instant a photo was taken, same as a film DSLR camera... but this camera, I see a warning when I turn it off to not leave it pointed into the sun or bright light... I take it that the sensor is alway exposed to light as it is the receiver of light for the image and is the sole origination of image, both for capture and also for viewing in the EVF and back screen. To further complicate what I do not understand yet, there is a shutter or maybe two methods of shutter: 1.) a mechanical shutter (a moving curtain) and 2.) a software or electronic shutter which I do not understand at all yet, which must 'scan' the sensor to make the final exposure that becomes the image that is saved. You answered me in my previous question and in a sense I am asking again for more clarity... You said there was a 'momentary' black-out of image in the viewfinder the instant the photo is being taken, I have not noticed that yet even with high speed shooting... Maybe my eye is trained from the pentaprism Canon camera's I have owned and I simply am not noticing. Anyway, could you elaborate on what is happening the moment a photo is being taken, how does the camera decide if it will use mechanical or electronic shutter? - Is this 'blackout' real, or am I just missing it because it goes by so fast and I'm simply used to it happening with all DSLR's and now this camera too? tia, for your consideration in answering this.
Late question to the video.... but I have always wondered what the sideline shooters have their cams set on. Full manual or shutter priority or something else? Thanks.
Hi Peter, Thanks for the great review. I always enjoy your video and learn a lot from them. I am going to buy EOS R and my main goal is to shoot fashion and portraits, as I know the 8 fps drops to 5 fps in continuous AF mode so my only concern is if 5 fps in Continuous AF mode can freeze a model sharply when she jumps, or a walking model in a catwalk or a model walking along the beach toward the camera or walking across the frame? I would highly appreciate you for your valuable time to help me! God bless you! Ali
You can shut that image review off so as not to distract your shooting.
Nice review of a truly great camera. - I'm not getting any 'block out' of image when shooting high-speed up to 8 fps... there are settings to keep the image visible... I think you can overcome this with settings... I'll look into it again but I know there is one to put the 'just shot' image on screen after each shot, whew, what a waste that is... Like I said, I'll check but I'm shooting hs shutter all the time and not losing any of the action with the EOS R
The feature you're talking about is actually covering up the shutter curtain blackout with a previous image, so there is a very small delay between real-world and what you see in camera. It can make tracking tricky in a situation described in the video. But it's not really a problem when tracking something in a linear path.
Thanks for the reply, I will review the video also. Glad to have your comments and backed by great experience in practice and in professional use.
You said 5 FPS is not bad but you then went to demonstrate the 8 FPS with One-Shot AF. This camera won't re-focus during 8 FPS continuos shooting! I find it hard to believe anyone would consider that "great" auto-focus! Great compared to what? Also, when continuous shooting through the electronic view finder with Servo AF this camera drops to 3 FPS!
Partially correct. It sounds like you're getting your information from a poorly informed source because the FPS does not drop to 3fps, as I've read and heard countless times on the internet. I've had zero trouble maintaining 5fps with the camera while tracking. It will, however, slow down ever-so-slightly when you're using face tracking as opposed to the various, more traditional area modes that are available. This is honestly a result of slower read-off speed from this sensor and the amount of data milked by face tracking and detection. But if you shoot it like a traditional SLR (how you SHOULD photograph sports, IMO, and not let a camera choose where you focus) then it will remain solid at 5fps. Another thing to keep in mind is that this camera, unlike its competitors, remains a full 14-bit RAW file during burst shooting and does not drop to 12-bit. While the higher bit depth can be beneficial shooting outdoors with bright highlight recovery, it doesn't do the camera any favors in speed. This was a mistake from Canon and I hope they offer in a future firmware update with a sports mode that uses less AF points and has the option to drop quality to 12-bit like Sony and Nikon. This would shave off a lot of data the camera is trying to compute at once and may possibly offer increased framerates to match the 8fps we see in One-Shot mode.
Regardless, the next generation camera needs to greatly surpass these numbers. I don't believe Canon had the means to produce a brand new sensor at this price point that could achieve everything we're looking for. Throwing in a modified 5D4 sensor isn't a terrible idea from a stills standpoint, but the read-off speeds are poor, as demonstrated in the 4K crop and slower framerate while continuously autofocusing.
I used to own an A9, and it nailed 20 images out of 20 per second with Sony G/GM lenses, full autofocus-speed, zero-blackout, no-rattling sound, incredible image-machine-gun. It's totally meaningless to use an EOS R for sports when we have A9 for almost two years now. The fundamental problem with EOS R is that the dual-pixel system is not fast enough for sports; that's why it can produce only 3 - 5 images per second with AF. The A9 sensor could even churn out 160 images per second, if the processor and the rest of the camera could handle that. Canon is not even in the same league where Sony sports sensors are. Canon should buy sensors from Sony, honestly, if they wanted to keep up. Have you seen the latest demo of the Sony A6400, what it could perform on subject tracking, mind-blowing, and that's just a $1000 entry-level camera? The gap between Sony and Canon is getting bigger and bigger; A9 was announced in Spring 2017, more than a year later Canon was only able to create EOS R, what can we say? EOS R was the last full-frame mirrorless camera announced in 2018; I guess Sony, as a response, is announcing another generation of its full-frame cameras in 2019 with even more extended performance increasing the gap to 3-generations. I've just placed an order for an EOS-R, but I am more and more convinced that I am just wasting my time and money on Canon. All of us want to love Canon, but Canon is simply not capable to compete in technology. If you ever had an A9 in your hand for sports, you don't want to go back to stone age.
@@miklosnemeth8566 Fast forward 8 months to the Canon 1DX III announcement.
@@kevindiossi Agree, single point instead of face tracking will give you around 5 fps instead of 3 fps in ai servo mode. Switch out of AI servo and get 8 fps if subject stationary. You will improve your continuous shooting speed by also changing Silent LV shoot setting from Disable to Mode 1, and if you want to get the best speed set Silent shutter from OFF to ON. I prefer Disable and OFF respectively but nice to have some degree of control. As an aside, turning off image review, setting tracking sensitivity and Accel./decel. tracking values to suit your context definitely helps improve tracking mode of AF. I recommend everybody reads the 600+ page manual inside out ;) and also upgrades to 1.4 firmware. 1.6 is out now but no earth shattering updates. Lastly, customise all controls to maximise your efficiency! PS: AF accuracy is exceptional Canon R - www.imaging-resource.com/news/2018/09/15/canon-eos-r-qa-with-the-canon-engineers
Great review!
Thanks!
I like the video for certain... but wasn’t that JJ Watt and not Ted Watt? 😀
Do you think the 5fps is fine for other sports like basketball, soccer, ballet?
What mode of focusing do you use for people moving towards you in lower light? Face tracking isn't perfect yet (maybe v 1.4 will be).
What settings did you use when Autofocusing? Tracking? Expanded AF point? Thanks for the info!
Peter, thanks for the videos. What camera body would you recommend in the $2k range for shooting both indoor and outdoor track & field?
For about 2000$ for indoor and outdoor you could choose from R7 and R6. R6 will be better indoor (lower noise), R7 outdoors (crop factor, more mpx so you can even crop more). It also depends on your lensens, because on R6 70-200 would be great indoors, but outdoors you would need sth like 100-400 4.5-5.6. With R7 indoors you could use even 24-70 2.8/ lens and 70-200 2.8 - and outdoors 70-200 2.8 will do the job.
Have you shot 7’s rugby?
Now if the was only player number tracking! LOL I've been looking at the R and also an older 400/2.8.
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A DSLR has blackout every time the mirror goes, so is it really that much longer of a blackout with the R that it causes problems?
Having used both, the blackout does feel longer on my EOS RP than it does on any of my DSLR cameras. However, Canon is reportedly working on a professional model EOS R camera, which will hopefully compete more with the Sony A9.
Peter, unfortunately emails not going through to you and bouncing back as says your email box is full
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Why does Canon seem to favour grips with that ungainly proboscis? I use Canon and Olympus gear (mostly Olympus, now). My OM-D E-M1 has a grip that simply screws on without any need to fiddle with the battery cover or remove the existing battery from the battery compartment. It works perfectly well and is extremely convenient. I was intrigued by the EOS R, but little things like that grip and that touch panel on the back have left me questioning some of Canon's design decisions.
Unfortunately, I live in a remote part of the world where trying these out before buying isn't really an option, hence the questions. In the video, you spoke about performance in the focusing, handling and image departments, but what about those interface and mechanical considerations? I would be intrigued to hear your take on those.
Man, the Sony fanboys are everywhere.
Peter, Sounds to me you are overrating this camera for sports and being way too nice to Canon for their introductory pro-like camera for the consumer. As a Canon user, I agree it's a nice camera, but not going too far beyond that. I am a sports photographer too, and 5 fps simply will not due with a small buffer size in RAW. A big negative is the temp blackout in the viewfinder, you mentioned, and that is a big no-no for an electronic shutter, unless shooting mechanical. You did not mention memory card usage or talk about the ISO range. and all the photos you showed were in daylight. How about some nighttime photos, especially at high school fields or inside gyms. Overall, I tend to rate this camera as a nice consumer version using the RG 24-105 lens. What most sports photographers, at least me, want to have is a Canon mirrorless camera shaped like the 1DX2 body having faster FPS performance, improved ISO sensor performance, and dual CFast cards. Maybe soon.....for now, the Canon R will not be on my want list.
Its a consumer camera with 5d4 image quality. In terms of usability its a disaster.
@@jhellier It's not a disaster. Cut the hyperbole.
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JJ Watt and Deshaun Watson
Ah, yes, Deshaun Jackson and Ted Watt
How did you handle EOS R fake “no evf blackout” issue (putting last picture in evf instead of showing true live feed)? Did you shoot with one eye on a target and other in evf? Can you share your technique please!
Uncle please give me a camera 🙏
Hi. Your inbox is full, email are bouncing back. Should we try another account? Thanks.
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Canon says the camera shoots 8fps. How are you getting 5fps?
The camera has a maximum of 5fps with tracking focus.
@@PeterReadMiller Thank you
OH WOW,this was hilarious xD
There is just one thing missing - your pictures with that camera.
He did in fact show pictures.
Deshaun Jackson? Really? :\
Ted Watt? LOL...🤭
I sold mine to slow for me.
This guy is a better photographer
Yay!!!
i personally think , we need to be honest with OURSELVES n tell canon the real Truth, This camera is good but for a product being released in 2018, because SONY IS JUST GIVING EVERYTHING IN 1 n canon getting a fit, trying to prevent the sony shift is a shame to canon.
u say this camera is Great it is not
who uses 720 p today
have u seen the 4k Crop
5 fps is slow for wildlife sport u will miss that moment
drones , go pros, and even to annoy phones are all doing 4k full frame, with no crop,
yet a Camera production company DECIDES TO GIVE US WHAT THEY WANT TO BECAUSE WE HAVE CANON GLASS Be my SLAVE , TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT
we are in 2018, this trend of canon holding on key fetures will make canon Loose, look what Sony is doing, they are not yet there but trust me they will hit canon hard so soon
if canon is not careful THEY WILL TAKE THE DIRECTION NOKIA PHONES TOOK#
CANON had a glance on what Nikon Sony produced, they come to the competition with THIS,
NO,,,LETS TELL CANON THE TRUTH
N THE TRUTH IS THEY ARE LAGGING BEHIND,
have u asked your self what happened to the 7d mark iii, it was to come out this year, the Sony fever made Canon feel pushed to produce EOS
BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HOLD BACK ON FEATURES
WHAT HAPPENED TO 6DII LOOK AT THE PRICE initially it was 2200 now 1200USD, why, they killed that body with there crappy features,
imagine if canon put 4k in 6dii good all around af points flashsync 1/250 video of 120 fps n 4 k full frame where wud that camera be#
n who told CANON That an entry photographer can only BUY AN ENTRY CAMERA, STOP LIMITING US CANON
CANON U R BEHAVING LIKE A WIFE U HAVE MARRIED N U FEEL ATTACHED BECAUSE OF REASONS OF MARRIAGE , WHY STAY IN A RELATIONSHIP U ARE NOT HAPPY WITH, SONY KILL CANON DIVORCE PAPERS SIGNED keep up your game Canon AM SO done
Nice story bro.
It’s not that this is a bad camera but you summed it up in the first minute and then continued to solidify why it’s not worth the asking price and why there is no need for it.
You compared it to “back in the day” cameras. This is suppose to be the future, not a half assed attempt to enter into the mirrorless market (for the second time - the M50 was their first).
They can do better, it’s Canon we are talking about!
If you want mirrorless full frame then the Sony cameras are the way to go until Nikon and Canon step up and produce what they promised.
A few hundred dollars more or less on a body is Insignificant compared to the cost of the lenses.
Bob Hanuman yea and the new canon lenses are insanely priced! 3k for their F/2 is crazy
@@esvignettes7592 There is no 24-70mm F2 zoom out there. This is the only one so it is priced at a premium and there are people who will pay this.
Look at Sonys G Master at $2200 and that is a 2.8