You need to realize it’s not last year’s Rubicon 520 with a new 700 cc engine. It’s the old Rincon. Honda should have never called this a Rubicon. It’s like Ford calling the Mach-E a Mustang. All marketing.
It's an awesome update to the Rincon. Tried and true tech that will outlast any machine on the market. But..but...they called it a Rubicon....wah...wah...wah! Don't cry over semantics.
That thing dressed in Rubicon is the old 680 Rincon. No low range, 3 speed transmission, no power steering, no diff lock. Damn thing doesn’t even have a trailer hitch. What a freaking joke. 38 hp. Honda could and should do a lot better.
@@garybrown9062 it's a design from Honda that was ground breaking when it came out. It's still a great machine for trails, and light work. You don't have to buy it, if you don't like it.
@@bimastrike87Doesn’t change the fact that all they did was put lipstick on an old bike and presented as something new. Deceitful at best. indefensible at worst to call it a Rubicon. It has nothing to do with me wanting or not wanting one.
Isn't the motor just the from the old rincon 680 they dropped? And on the new bike they call the 680 the 700. Halogens do cut threw snow and heavy rain better than led.
I get its just a Rincon 680 with new plastics, etc. But having had one, there are worse quads on the market. This will go 40k miles and support you all day on the farm.
Lol I was about say no dude it’s a rincon, they’ve offered this since 2003 rincon 650 then 2007 to a rincon 680. This is literally a rincon that they finally changed the bodywork and name…typical Honda. In 57 more years it will be all new again because will have power steering
@@Dylanmccutcheon747 yeh pretty sad and Honda has been so resistant to offer the big boys package on Atvs for the past 30 Years. Thanks for participating
Might as well buy grizzly 700 at this point , at least it has locker and power steering for only like $200 more maybe less now with Yamaha doing price cuts for 2025.
Man, nice I've always been a Honda man, but no P/S, I recently bought a new 2024 Sportsman 570 ride command, it has power steering, and three different engine power modes, plus GPS, sorry Honda I will never buy another quad without p/s !
led lighting wont penetrate fog, it is reflected by fog, halogen lighting penetrates fog, This has the best of both, led on the steering lamp and halogen on the front. smart set up!
All this machine is, is a rebranded Rincon. Honda decided to kill off the nameplate and brand it as a Rubicon 700. The machine is great, and was ahead of it's time when it came out. It has different use case scenarios that it does really well in compared to the more utility based modern machines based off the 520 class. Please don't hate on this machine for not being a bigger version of the 520 series. Like I said, it was built to be great for trails and sport oriented things, with work as a secondary priority.
You don't have a clue what you are talking g about its night and day with power steering man you don't need power windows but everything has it now dude it almost 2025 come on man
@canamdennis6829 I said you don't need it.. it's not that big of a deal on these machines to steer without power steering.. beef up those noodle arms bro.. when your out on trails and you have power steering go out or even puncture your coolant system guess what you're done... what I'm saying is that on off road atvs you don't need all that bs because it can leave you stranded.. you act like you're trying to turn a car without power steering... these are 6 700 pound machines sure doesn't take much stress to turn one without ps. And this is also my opinion so I dunno why you come at me like that bro.. go somewhere
The point of the power steering on an ATV is it works perfectly when you have a front differential lock active. It’s serious work to steer with both front wheels spinning at the same time. Honda likely ditched the PS due to no front locker on this new model. IMO on this bike PS is not needed.
😅 Putting my boat in the water or hauling wood trailer in tight quarters PS is a must. To are definitely not speaking for the majority. Alao my wife loves her power stearing
This machine won't sell, anybody with half a clue knows it's not a new machine and that its just the 20 year old Rincon with different plastic I'm a Honda guy but Honda should be ashamed for offering this bike as is, they should have at least updated it with power steering and front locker and even tuned the motor a bit for more output. Honda really missed the mark with this bike that could have been potentially a great seller for buyers who wanted a bit more power then the 520. I'd buy the the 520 Rubicon over this just for those reasons.
Customers: We want the Rubicon 520 chassis, diff lock, 5 speed trans, but with the 680cc engine Honda: Here you go. The old Rincon with Rubicon plastics. Customers: No.
This video shows independent suspension front and rear, Rubicon also has power steering and front different lock whereas Rincon doesn't, so yeah this is a Rincon in Rubicon plastic to fool the people.
Why didn’t one of the Honda dealer personnel state this bid the old Rincon. They were just going to let the customer think this was a new machine. Pathetic.
I hate to burst your bubble there buddy, but that is not a new engine. It is the same 675cc fuel injected engine Honda has had in the Rincon since 2006.
The hardest part in all of this are the honda dealers trying to look and sound so happy about this " new model" while all the other brands...even CFMOTO !! are laughing to tears . I'm a Honda guy, I have a rancher 420 2013 and a rubicon 520 2023. My guess is that this atv will obviously do very bad in sales but honda just wants to say that , they to, have a big bore bad ass atv in their line up. And furthermore , this "new atv" is surely the one in Honda's history that has the lowest R&D invested !! Very dissapointed in Honda.
It’s a honda rincon with different plastics no power steering no diff lock no low range no upgraded suspension.which is how the rincon has always been.sad but a fact unfortunately.the 520 rubicon has power steering diff lock low range and better suspension.i don’t know why honda built this because it doesn’t make sense. I mean no disrespect to you or anyone im just stating the facts and im glad your showing it for what it is unlike what Honda is doing by saying oh look it’s the new rubicon when it’s actually the old rincon with pretty plastic lol
@@hummyhero1484 no disrespect at all I am enjoying others share their knowledge. And only reinforces the fact it’s not a great deal and nor a new updated Model like Honda portrays it to be. Thanks for participating
@@Iceagetv yes sir. I have the 520 rubicon and it has everything it needs except more power. If this had been a upgraded rubicon i would have bought one already. It’s a let down for me because im a honda fan but it is what it is
@@toolonthehill yeah sad times for us honda folks. This is the first time honda has built a atv that actually made me depressed and angry and confused at the same time. 🤪😡☹️
I have/ had one, POS useless in the mud, the transmission is a POS. The 3 speed transmission works to hard in the long steep inclines. I traded it with 400 miles on it and got another canam. I had a Rubicon in the 2000's unfortunately nothing has changed with Honda. Don't buy it.
This reviewer obviously does not ride much seeing he is so put out about no power steering . Driving in circles with one hand on dry pavement is a very poor place to judge the effort needed . With modern designing I am sure it is fine used as intended. I repair ATV/UTV's as a registered business and see bikes come in with Power steering issues , seeing how the units are not serviceable repairs can reach $2000 + . Honda has always been kept on the simple side to lead in reliability .Fancy options are Nice but not so much for longevity .
Why is honda so far behind on building a BIG 4 wheeer? They should build a 1000 ready for the mud to compete with other 4 wheelers. Its not a good look for honda to be so far behind other brands.
@@floydrussell9548 They have the dark closet issue meaning so many years ago in the 70s they built the three wheel off road bike and had major lawsuits from people killing themselves and serious injuries due to rollover. I believe this still haunts them and they’re not up for the all out power in a 4 wheel unit atv.
cant watch it past 28 seconds. made it sound like this thing is the biggest honda quad ever made (technically the 686cc 700xx was) and like it was just released.. seeya
They have made this for years. Nothing new or first here. This has new plastics on an old machine. No locker, no power steering, no 2” receiver. Dinosaur
It's nothing special it's a Rincon 680 with a rubicon body kit and updated front suspension that's pretty much it. It's not a new machine. No difflock no powersteering honda is going backwards. Love my rubicon 520 was excited about this 700 til I realized it's just a Rincon with rubicon plastics. Lame.
He’s either trolling us or doesn’t know the history of the Rincon because this machine is simply a Rincon drivetrain with Foreman plastics. I think he’s playing with us lol😂.
@@Iceagetv Gotcha, your voice sounded sincere, but your commentary was problematic. It’s all good, I enjoyed seeing you ride it around. This machine is for the trail rider who loves Hondas reliability and doesn’t mud or rock climb. The only improvement necessary is power steering and 1 more gear since 1st gear is long. I think they pulled it into the Foreman/Rubicon line to open a new category for the ultimate 1000cc loaded atv that everyone has been asking for!!! Massive power, Power Steering, Differential Lock, No Belts to slip or break like the Can Am and Grizzly and every other ATV available, all Gear drivetrain. And most importantly Hondas reliability. Maybe this will happen or maybe not but either way Honda shouldn’t have renamed this a Rubicon because that’s deceiving to those who are new to Honda.
I've owned hondas for years but by far the 700 Rincon engine is hondas biggest flop yet you can't mix engine oil with a transmission oil it don't work you can't get the life out of the engine I've given up on honda because of the 700 I bought a 700 pioneer after 7000 miles I had to overhaul it there's nothing attractive about this machine other than new plastic I've been waiting for years for honda to come up something new but this is a big disappointment......
@@CncRouter43 yes I agree and think Honda is still scared from the 3 Wheeler lawsuits. That’s still in the dark closet for many at Honda Corporate and feel this is why they won’t put bigger engines in the ATVs. And thanks for watching and participating
I think a reviewer ought to have an in-depth knowledge of the machine they're reviewing. I'm 6:22 minutes into this video and I think the reviewer doesn't know anything about this machine. Doesn't even know how the gears work.
Buddy it's a Rincon with new plastic that why there's no power steering no led lights they just took a 12 year old quad and put new plastic on it come on dude
I’m with you , broken machines are because of the person behind the bars , I’ve never had and issue with a can am , and yes they build the best machines on the market bar none.
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You need to realize it’s not last year’s Rubicon 520 with a new 700 cc engine. It’s the old Rincon. Honda should have never called this a Rubicon. It’s like Ford calling the Mach-E a Mustang. All marketing.
I agree with this. It's obsurd!
It's an awesome update to the Rincon. Tried and true tech that will outlast any machine on the market. But..but...they called it a Rubicon....wah...wah...wah! Don't cry over semantics.
Add diff lock, power steering and low range, would make it a lot more enticing otherwise it's just a Rincon with a face lift.!
That thing dressed in Rubicon is the old 680 Rincon. No low range, 3 speed transmission, no power steering, no diff lock. Damn thing doesn’t even have a trailer hitch. What a freaking joke. 38 hp. Honda could and should do a lot better.
@@garybrown9062 it's a design from Honda that was ground breaking when it came out. It's still a great machine for trails, and light work. You don't have to buy it, if you don't like it.
@@bimastrike87Doesn’t change the fact that all they did was put lipstick on an old bike and presented as something new. Deceitful at best. indefensible at worst to call it a Rubicon. It has nothing to do with me wanting or not wanting one.
@@garybrown9062 that's fair.
No power stearing! No diff lock! 🤣🤔
Isn't the motor just the from the old rincon 680 they dropped? And on the new bike they call the 680 the 700. Halogens do cut threw snow and heavy rain better than led.
I get its just a Rincon 680 with new plastics, etc. But having had one, there are worse quads on the market. This will go 40k miles and support you all day on the farm.
They've had this since 2003. It is the rincon with different plastics.
@@KHH56 yes for sure and just now the 700 Pioneer motor. It’s a brute bit not a true all out fun ATV. And thank you for participating
The pioneer 700 and rincon had the same engine. And so does this.
@@KHH56 wow good info
I like it but for their highest priced ATV it needs more options.
@@Iceagetv it’s a 680 and from the Rincon. The Pioneer took the Rincon’s motor. Not the other way around!
Was looking hard at this machine until I realized no PS! No deal!
This is just a Rincon with new plastics! Lol. They didn't even add power steering or diff lock? What a JOKE!
Lol I was about say no dude it’s a rincon, they’ve offered this since 2003 rincon 650 then 2007 to a rincon 680. This is literally a rincon that they finally changed the bodywork and name…typical Honda. In 57 more years it will be all new again because will have power steering
It's a great trail machine ..handles really well.. And it will hit 60mph only Honda that can do 60
Rincon is independent suspension all around. This doesn't have that.
@@kirkcardoso6137 yes it does
@@soundnessofmind7196 looked like a solid rear axle to me
20+ year old tech, kind of crazy they badged it as a new machine.
@@Dylanmccutcheon747 yeh pretty sad and Honda has been so resistant to offer the big boys package on Atvs for the past 30
Years. Thanks for participating
You guys want a coffee maker installed also .. come on man toughen up a little
Might as well buy grizzly 700 at this point , at least it has locker and power steering for only like $200 more maybe less now with Yamaha doing price cuts for 2025.
Exactly what I did
Suzuki king quad as well.
This needs power steering with manual shifting 6 gears with front & rear diff lock. If it had all that, id go buy one right now lol.
It even has the 3spd from the rincon lol it’s literally a 20 year old rincon they finally changed the bodywork on lol.
@@davisexcavating7144 wow marketing at its best 😳😂. Thank you for sharing this information.
Man, nice I've always been a Honda man, but no P/S, I recently bought a new 2024 Sportsman 570 ride command, it has power steering, and three different engine power modes, plus GPS, sorry Honda I will never buy another quad without p/s !
led lighting wont penetrate fog, it is reflected by fog, halogen lighting penetrates fog, This has the best of both, led on the steering lamp and halogen on the front. smart set up!
All this machine is, is a rebranded Rincon. Honda decided to kill off the nameplate and brand it as a Rubicon 700. The machine is great, and was ahead of it's time when it came out. It has different use case scenarios that it does really well in compared to the more utility based modern machines based off the 520 class. Please don't hate on this machine for not being a bigger version of the 520 series. Like I said, it was built to be great for trails and sport oriented things, with work as a secondary priority.
My opinion you don't need power steering on a four wheeler. To me it's just one more thing that can go wrong.
Seriously, if you need power steering just get a SXS. Never in my life have I needed power steering on an ATV.
You don't have a clue what you are talking g about its night and day with power steering man you don't need power windows but everything has it now dude it almost 2025 come on man
@canamdennis6829 I said you don't need it.. it's not that big of a deal on these machines to steer without power steering.. beef up those noodle arms bro.. when your out on trails and you have power steering go out or even puncture your coolant system guess what you're done... what I'm saying is that on off road atvs you don't need all that bs because it can leave you stranded.. you act like you're trying to turn a car without power steering... these are 6 700 pound machines sure doesn't take much stress to turn one without ps. And this is also my opinion so I dunno why you come at me like that bro.. go somewhere
The point of the power steering on an ATV is it works perfectly when you have a front differential lock active. It’s serious work to steer with both front wheels spinning at the same time. Honda likely ditched the PS due to no front locker on this new model. IMO on this bike PS is not needed.
😅 Putting my boat in the water or hauling wood trailer in tight quarters PS is a must. To are definitely not speaking for the majority. Alao my wife loves her power stearing
That thing is 20 years old wake up guys
This machine won't sell, anybody with half a clue knows it's not a new machine and that its just the 20 year old Rincon with different plastic
I'm a Honda guy but Honda should be ashamed for offering this bike as is, they should have at least updated it with power steering and front locker and even tuned the motor a bit for more output. Honda really missed the mark with this bike that could have been potentially a great seller for buyers who wanted a bit more power then the 520.
I'd buy the the 520 Rubicon over this just for those reasons.
I like Honda but this was a very lazy move by them.
grizzly still the best atv on the market right now
but not faster thene the grizzly no power steering
How is it the best on the market currently?
New Yamaha keep having problems
Customers: We want the Rubicon 520 chassis, diff lock, 5 speed trans, but with the 680cc engine
Honda: Here you go. The old Rincon with Rubicon plastics.
Customers: No.
It is a rincon with different plastics that's it
It's just a Rincon
This video shows independent suspension front and rear, Rubicon also has power steering and front different lock whereas Rincon doesn't, so yeah this is a Rincon in Rubicon plastic to fool the people.
@@kirkcardoso6137dumbass
i still have my 2006 rincon got it new , flipped it end for end once , and rolled it on its side many times , wow they havent changed much
@@mytoolfix wow glad to hear your ok I’m guessing?
Junk
No power steering and no tow hitch receiver, and still no LED headlights it's still old fashioned looking. c'mon Honda
Thats the old rincon.... what a shame
It’s still a Rincon 680 motor unchanged from prev years and same 3 speed turd trans that likes to break
Why didn’t one of the Honda dealer personnel state this bid the old Rincon. They were just going to let the customer think this was a new machine. Pathetic.
It’s the old Rincon . No power steering and no fuel injected
I hate to burst your bubble there buddy, but that is not a new engine. It is the same 675cc fuel injected engine Honda has had in the Rincon since 2006.
Life long Honda fan here. This is pitiful. Glad I went with a Suzuki Kingquad 750, fast, reliable, and affordable.
It's the only Honda 4x4 that can hit 60mph Great handling trail machine
No power steering no diff lock no new motor no thanks
No front diff. Halogen lights but led hadlebar light, bad shifter, wrong gearing. Less towing.
No hitch anyways lol
The hardest part in all of this are the honda dealers trying to look and sound so happy about this " new model" while all the other brands...even CFMOTO !! are laughing to tears . I'm a Honda guy, I have a rancher 420 2013 and a rubicon 520 2023. My guess is that this atv will obviously do very bad in sales but honda just wants to say that , they to, have a big bore bad ass atv in their line up. And furthermore , this "new atv" is surely the one in Honda's history that has the lowest R&D invested !! Very dissapointed in Honda.
Same old Rincon. Slow 675cc with the lame 3 speed. Didn't even add EPS
I have a 2008 honda trx 700xx.
This will not sell. What a lazy attempt by Honda. This deserves to fail.
It’s a honda rincon with different plastics no power steering no diff lock no low range no upgraded suspension.which is how the rincon has always been.sad but a fact unfortunately.the 520 rubicon has power steering diff lock low range and better suspension.i don’t know why honda built this because it doesn’t make sense. I mean no disrespect to you or anyone im just stating the facts and im glad your showing it for what it is unlike what Honda is doing by saying oh look it’s the new rubicon when it’s actually the old rincon with pretty plastic lol
@@hummyhero1484 no disrespect at all I am enjoying others share their knowledge. And only reinforces the fact it’s not a great deal and nor a new updated
Model like
Honda portrays it to be. Thanks for participating
@@Iceagetv yes sir. I have the 520 rubicon and it has everything it needs except more power. If this had been a upgraded rubicon i would have bought one already. It’s a let down for me because im a honda fan but it is what it is
@@hummyhero1484exactly, I was so upgrading for a 700, but not this lame old Rincon
@@toolonthehill yeah sad times for us honda folks. This is the first time honda has built a atv that actually made me depressed and angry and confused at the same time. 🤪😡☹️
@@hummyhero1484 yeah don’t understand how a major manufacturer could sign off on this.
Wonder how many think it's something new and buy it just to later realize it's just the old outdated Rincon. What a scam.
Its basically the 680cc still
I have/ had one, POS useless in the mud, the transmission is a POS. The 3 speed transmission works to hard in the long steep inclines. I traded it with 400 miles on it and got another canam. I had a Rubicon in the 2000's unfortunately nothing has changed with Honda. Don't buy it.
All u talked about is no eps what about towing ground clearance... hot gym guy 😢
700 xx was first
This reviewer obviously does not ride much seeing he is so put out about no power steering . Driving in circles with one hand on dry pavement is a very poor place to judge the effort needed . With modern designing I am sure it is fine used as intended. I repair ATV/UTV's as a registered business and see bikes come in with Power steering issues , seeing how the units are not serviceable repairs can reach $2000 + . Honda has always been kept on the simple side to lead in reliability .Fancy options are Nice but not so much for longevity .
I bought the real deal 😀
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No EPS No buy.
You can put a SuperATV EPS but I don't think it would any good any way.
Grizzly 700 EPS is no doubt a better deal.
Why is honda so far behind on building a BIG 4 wheeer?
They should build a 1000 ready for the mud to compete with other 4 wheelers.
Its not a good look for honda to be so far behind other brands.
@@floydrussell9548 They have the dark closet issue meaning so many years ago in the 70s they built the three wheel off road bike and had major lawsuits from people killing themselves and serious injuries due to rollover. I believe this still haunts them and they’re not up for the all out power in a 4 wheel unit atv.
You're on the pavement
The steering is going to be harder .
On gravel totally different
cant watch it past 28 seconds. made it sound like this thing is the biggest honda quad ever made (technically the 686cc 700xx was) and like it was just released.. seeya
They have made this for years. Nothing new or first here. This has new plastics on an old machine. No locker, no power steering, no 2” receiver. Dinosaur
did everyone forget about the 680?
I’d take my rubicon features over that “ thing”. Any day
What’s the top speed
@@TalanisYoung not sure I’m not buying it
@@Iceagetv that’s all good I probably should search that stuff up
It's nothing special it's a Rincon 680 with a rubicon body kit and updated front suspension that's pretty much it. It's not a new machine. No difflock no powersteering honda is going backwards. Love my rubicon 520 was excited about this 700 til I realized it's just a Rincon with rubicon plastics. Lame.
Love mine
How much does it cost tax and total out the door?
@@michaelmoore8197 I didn’t buy it so I can’t say.
Whomever is making the decisions at Honda Powersports, needs to be fired. Other than MX bikes, their line-up sucks. Street and dirt.
Wrong most reliable quads for tight wooded trails, hunting and fishing, and hard work.
I can’t tell if this guy is trolling or not
@@john8890 who is trolling?
He’s either trolling us or doesn’t know the history of the Rincon because this machine is simply a Rincon drivetrain with Foreman plastics. I think he’s playing with us lol😂.
@@tomp7989 😳😂😂. No actually I did not know the Rincon was renamed the 700 Rubicon.
@@Iceagetv Gotcha, your voice sounded sincere, but your commentary was problematic. It’s all good, I enjoyed seeing you ride it around. This machine is for the trail rider who loves Hondas reliability and doesn’t mud or rock climb. The only improvement necessary is power steering and 1 more gear since 1st gear is long. I think they pulled it into the Foreman/Rubicon line to open a new category for the ultimate 1000cc loaded atv that everyone has been asking for!!! Massive power, Power Steering, Differential Lock, No Belts to slip or break like the Can Am and Grizzly and every other ATV available, all Gear drivetrain. And most importantly Hondas reliability. Maybe this will happen or maybe not but either way Honda shouldn’t have renamed this a Rubicon because that’s deceiving to those who are new to Honda.
I've owned hondas for years but by far the 700 Rincon engine is hondas biggest flop yet you can't mix engine oil with a transmission oil it don't work you can't get the life out of the engine I've given up on honda because of the 700 I bought a 700 pioneer after 7000 miles I had to overhaul it there's nothing attractive about this machine other than new plastic I've been waiting for years for honda to come up something new but this is a big disappointment......
@@CncRouter43 yes I agree and think Honda is still scared from the 3 Wheeler lawsuits. That’s still in the dark closet for many at Honda Corporate and feel this is why they won’t put bigger engines in the ATVs. And thanks for watching and participating
I mean y in the world wood they have a 3 speed and no power steering last machine I’d ever buy
Honda is all I will buy very reliable
But this is a joke!
It’s a Rincon
Honda is falling behind.
Just a Rincon
Yayyy an ugly, stripped down, under powered arctic cat look a like!!! Thanks Honda for more junk!
Damn Honda not even trying 😂 in my opinion!
No good I’m disappointed it’s just a rincon
Still a single cylinder 700 smh
That’s lies that’s a 680 rincon….. 2004 tech …… nothing new but plastic
I think a reviewer ought to have an in-depth knowledge of the machine they're reviewing. I'm 6:22 minutes into this video and I think the reviewer doesn't know anything about this machine. Doesn't even know how the gears work.
Y'all are behind the times... from the get go I can't watch anymore. It's a Rincon 680 with new plastics... trash 3speed and no locker
Yes your correct and sadly Honda won’t produce the HO Atvs their still paranoid from the 1970s three wheeler lawsuits and thanks for watching
Just get a 2008-2009 honda trx700xx
Still no 1000cc 🥲
Just Rincon
this isnt a first generation....this is a dang near 30 year old ATV with a new body. Sad they didnt at least at EPS and a diff lock. Ridiculous.
Not even a trailer hitch. ILL buy yamaha, so much better
No thanks ill take canam anyway
ITS JUST THE OLD RINCON 680 with new RUBICON PLASTICS , POS POS
It has no diff lock? Garbage.
This thing is disappointing
Buddy it's a Rincon with new plastic that why there's no power steering no led lights they just took a 12 year old quad and put new plastic on it come on dude
@@canamdennis6829 yes what a joke and even for me they got me at first and thanks for watching and participating
Can-am is the best when it comes to ATV’s
Can-Am is probably the worst, they stay broke down more than they are on trails 😂
I’m with you , broken machines are because of the person behind the bars , I’ve never had and issue with a can am , and yes they build the best machines on the market bar none.