I can't wait to give these a go when the snow in the UK melts. I am considered an advanced rider having done an advanced rider course and passed with a top grade, but they never checked slow speed riding. One thing I have always struggled with is tight u-turns. Just watching this video I had an AHA moment. To lean forward. Got a feeling I'm going to be binging on your videos once I finish work tomorrow morning
@@markgr1nyer i’m definitely pumped to see how this works out for you, make sure to take your time and work the drills and then give me a full report, sir👍😊
Quinn, you are right in drumming home this takes time. It took me 10 hours of this for it to start to come together, but now at close to 70 hours I’m almost completely natural at this. Thanks for all the videos on this. A lot of the beginner channels out there leave out a lot of the nuance and more advanced techniques which you kindly provide.
Great lesson, Quinn! It took me 3 years to get an understanding how these 4 techniques work and I have to practice the drills constantly to keep the skills I have developed. My motor (Road King) has a more limited lean angle than the BMW RTP and there are times where I am at full lock and leaned dragging the boards but still need a tighter radius turn. I subscribe to the physics that for any given lean angle speed = radius, so i must slow down when in the max lock and lean condition. Boy is that a pucker factor that now puts more emphasis on the counter weight. Again - great explanation and I hope all who watch this video will use your lesson to avoid years of trial and error. 👌
Thanks for another great video Quinn! I love how you break it down in to a few basic steps, and then put it all together! Top notch Brother! Hopefully I’ll be able to catch up with you in person again in 2025!
@@stevewilson8752 hey thank you Steve. Very generous of you. I appreciate it! Make sure to hit me up if you have any issues or any additional questions on any of this stuff👍
Was able to put what you said to practice. Sitting up and not sub consciously fighting the control helped a lot. Able to get a couple full lock in but not consistent. Keeping the throttle steady is HARD. I keep finding myself adjusting speed using the throttle instead of the clutch which explains why I can’t consistently hold full lock.
@@4b11t9 hey that’s fantastic to hear it’s helping you. Keep working on it: One little trick I use to improve the consistency of throttle is to rest my index finger on the front brake lever to work as a “throttle lock “of sorts . It really helps lock down that throttle so you get a steady RPM. Play around with that and see if it helps and let me know.!👍
Besides being a phenomenal motocop and outstanding rider\instructor, Quinn is an incredible human being. If you tried to run from him, he would chase you down, catch you, reason with you, make you a better person, and you would be wealthier from the experience. I'm being honest. There is so much more to this guy than what you see in these videos. We could be so lucky to have every police officer be as balanced and kind as Quinn. And his riding expertise is top notch, he's the real deal. I learned a couple things from this video but I learned a ton about Quinn from a 2 hour conversation I had with him this week in a Zoom meeting. He is an incredibly generous and kind hearted person who, oh yeah, knows a shitload about all things motorcycles.
@@deanhough8993 hey Dean, I really appreciate the compliment and definitely great connecting with you, looking forward to another session here in the near future!👍
I had no idea you had a channel! I have seen some of the competition videos where you competed. I stumbled into this by accident. The four keys you present here are great tools. The more tools we have to draw upon the better. As well as having greater confidence in your abilities and enjoying the ride more. Many thanks to the 'Owl'!
@@williamforbes5826 haha that’s an old name buddy- I’m guessing we go way back👍 i’m happy to have you check out the videos, hopefully you like them, and definitely feel free to make suggestions on things you think would help out that I could cover in the next ones🙏
Awesome tutorial and instructions Quinn and “that’s why you’re that guy” 😂😂as you instructed the aha moment will come👏🏽just have to put in the work (training and practice) all you mentioned in this video is very true you can’t be missing any of these elements in the maneuvering of the full lock operations 🙌🏽the hardest was getting the correct speed precisely 🙈
@@4b11t9 once you work out the process, you will use far less energy expenditure. Just about any new physical process, I learned, regardless of what it is will cost me significantly in mental and physical energy until I wrap my head around it and am repeatable. It will get much much easier overtime I promise.👍
Another great vid, thank you! I can’t wait for the ice to melt so I can start drilling on my GS. Just about every ride includes a few minutes in an empty parking lot. If you ever come to MA I would love a private lesson. I could pay you in pizza pockets and a delicious ginger ale.
@@MXD29 i’m coming out to the Laconia bike week in June. Not sure how far that is from you? I will be doing some clinics out there during the competition. Let me know.
@@PoliceMotorTraining it’s 90 minutes from our house but we also have a place about 20 minutes away right on the lake so it’s super close either way. What are the odds you’ll be able to stick around a bit after? I’d love to show you some of these back country roads. Maybe we could ride some of the NEBDR or just sit on the boat and do nothing. All sound like great options haha.
My problem is the feedback loop: What will happen if I reach full lock? Won't the bike hit the ground right away? So I always fight with the other arm to prevent reaching full lock because I think that if I won't the next thing is me picking up the bike from the ground.
Thanks for another great video! Off topic question: how would you compare the Concours14 over the ST1300? On paper I know that the Connie is a better overall bike, but I'm intereseted in your opinion, esp in regards to suspension, manouverability and the brakes. I know that the RT is a better bike than those 2 but it is a bit out of my price range, and frankly I'm a bit concerned about the cost of maintanance if anything major goes wrong. Cheers!
@@devianthousend well I have owned both bikes and competed on both bikes and they are quite different. The Honda has a soft spot in my heart. It is quick and agile for its weight and the suspension is pretty planted for tight maneuvers. I think it’s a very forgiving chassis. I’ve done some Track clinic work on it with my knee down and it’s still not bad ha ha. The brakes are strong, but I’m not a fan of the linked system, still I get used to it, but I don’t love it. Kawasaki is quite a bit bigger and taller and heavier, much more of a brute and tight situations. Let’s just put it this way: I took overall first place at various events on both platforms, but I’m pretty sure the Kawasaki took years off of my life expectancy given how much more work it was in tight environments! But the faster you go, the more the Kawasaki is superior. It’s just more modern, and definitely a hell of a lot more powerful. I would not hesitate to circumnavigate the globe on the Honda any day though.
@PoliceMotorTraining Dang, well maybe I should look at a Goldwing then and get the best of both worlds, the power and the globe circumnavigating in comfort. Minus the tight cornering, those things won't win you any competitions I suppose..
@@devianthousend If I could have one bike it would be a Goldwing. I LOVE them. Power, comfort, agile as H*ll for a bike hundreds of pounds less...No I won't win a competition on one but who cares
@@PoliceMotorTraining just to be clear are you talking about the previous generation (pre-2018) Goldwing? I test rode the newest one and its just too small for me (I'm 6.5). Smooth as butter yeah but a bit cramped and I hate that they took out so much storage space just to appeal to todays standards of ever shrinking motorcycles. Now the previous model, thats a proper Golwing, I'll take that any day of the week thank you very much.
@@watsonf3b in the video I produced, I’m only moving my upper body, and I leave my butt in the seat. Some people feel more comfortable counterbalancing by sliding their butt around, but it’s not really efficient what you want to start changing directions more rapidly. Plus, it’s a little more complicated as far as teaching goes, so I attempt to tell people to just leave their butt in the middle of the seat and start unlocking their range of motion with the upper torso. If you get time, watch my balance Ball 2.0 video and it walks you through the counter balance process pretty good. I will say that if you review any of my competition videos, you will see I’m all over the motorcycle and do not adhere specifically to this instruction. I’m giving you, but that has more to do with the fact that I use my feet and create significant downforce on the foot pegs when I’m transitioning from One Direction to the other, Which creates the illusion that I’m making an effort to slide my butt around on the seat when in fact, the motorcycle is just moving rapidly underneath me.
@@CaptainFishHead720 from a foundational standpoint, yes. The only significant difference you have with bikes, varying in rake and trail and wheel size and tire profile and ground clearance will be the amount of force you will need to exert at the handlebars. Of course, all those variables will impact the resultant radius The motorcycle will turn, but my process would not change.
Rear brake helps calm the chassis down a bit during a turn, not so much help keep you upright. It can be useful, but its not a formal component required to execute full lock. For this reason I left it out, as it tends to confuse the lesson. I would say that job #1 is good friction zone without brakes, THEN if you feel the need to have it on, go for it. But by then you won't need it. All that said, you aren't wrong to use it, just not a formal key ingredient.
Does this not depend on the lock of the bike you’re on? I have a CB500 Hornet and I've been practising this, I can only do full lock turns, well almost full lock with the bike ticking over? Do I need to go a bit faster and lean the bike?
Just curious, how often did you drop the bike back in the day learning this? I still find myself dropping the bike at least once in a 30min practice session.
@@4b11t9 I have dropped my motorcycle plenty of times, but it’s usually due to extreme pushing within a competition pattern and I’m trying to figure out how hard I can drive the tires with whatever traction coefficient I have at a given location. Specifically learning this technique, did not see me dropping the bike that I can recall, but I think that had more to do with the fact that I had the friction zone and the counter balance technique sorted out already. The friction zone training is generally where most people struggle when they lean the bike over and don’t have that figured out yet so work on that first and the rest will get much easier
As always, the pacing of the teaching and the explanations are fantastic! Thank you again!
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I can't wait to give these a go when the snow in the UK melts. I am considered an advanced rider having done an advanced rider course and passed with a top grade, but they never checked slow speed riding. One thing I have always struggled with is tight u-turns. Just watching this video I had an AHA moment. To lean forward. Got a feeling I'm going to be binging on your videos once I finish work tomorrow morning
@@markgr1nyer i’m definitely pumped to see how this works out for you, make sure to take your time and work the drills and then give me a full report, sir👍😊
Quinn, you are right in drumming home this takes time. It took me 10 hours of this for it to start to come together, but now at close to 70 hours I’m almost completely natural at this. Thanks for all the videos on this. A lot of the beginner channels out there leave out a lot of the nuance and more advanced techniques which you kindly provide.
@@NakaNakaDerkaDerka nice job, you put in the work!💪
Great lesson, Quinn! It took me 3 years to get an understanding how these 4 techniques work and I have to practice the drills constantly to keep the skills I have developed. My motor (Road King) has a more limited lean angle than the BMW RTP and there are times where I am at full lock and leaned dragging the boards but still need a tighter radius turn. I subscribe to the physics that for any given lean angle speed = radius, so i must slow down when in the max lock and lean condition. Boy is that a pucker factor that now puts more emphasis on the counter weight. Again - great explanation and I hope all who watch this video will use your lesson to avoid years of trial and error. 👌
@@Old-n-slo-locked-n-leaned hey brother thanks for the support, I appreciate it!👍
Thanks for another great video Quinn! I love how you break it down in to a few basic steps, and then put it all together! Top notch Brother! Hopefully I’ll be able to catch up with you in person again in 2025!
@@717ThrottleTherapy hey I appreciate the support and definitely would love to catch up with you this coming year!
High from Australia 🇦🇺😊 Easy to understand teachings mate 👍😄 Love Your Work 🏍 👮♂️ Cheers from down under in Aus 🇦🇺🍹🏍
@@stevewilson8752 hey thank you Steve. Very generous of you. I appreciate it! Make sure to hit me up if you have any issues or any additional questions on any of this stuff👍
Was able to put what you said to practice. Sitting up and not sub consciously fighting the control helped a lot. Able to get a couple full lock in but not consistent. Keeping the throttle steady is HARD. I keep finding myself adjusting speed using the throttle instead of the clutch which explains why I can’t consistently hold full lock.
@@4b11t9 hey that’s fantastic to hear it’s helping you. Keep working on it:
One little trick I use to improve the consistency of throttle is to rest my index finger on the front brake lever to work as a “throttle lock “of sorts . It really helps lock down that throttle so you get a steady RPM. Play around with that and see if it helps and let me know.!👍
Besides being a phenomenal motocop and outstanding rider\instructor, Quinn is an incredible human being. If you tried to run from him, he would chase you down, catch you, reason with you, make you a better person, and you would be wealthier from the experience. I'm being honest. There is so much more to this guy than what you see in these videos. We could be so lucky to have every police officer be as balanced and kind as Quinn. And his riding expertise is top notch, he's the real deal. I learned a couple things from this video but I learned a ton about Quinn from a 2 hour conversation I had with him this week in a Zoom meeting. He is an incredibly generous and kind hearted person who, oh yeah, knows a shitload about all things motorcycles.
@@deanhough8993 hey Dean, I really appreciate the compliment and definitely great connecting with you, looking forward to another session here in the near future!👍
I had no idea you had a channel! I have seen some of the competition videos where you competed. I stumbled into this by accident. The four keys you present here are great tools. The more tools we have to draw upon the better. As well as having greater confidence in your abilities and enjoying the ride more. Many thanks to the 'Owl'!
@@williamforbes5826 haha that’s an old name buddy- I’m guessing we go way back👍 i’m happy to have you check out the videos, hopefully you like them, and definitely feel free to make suggestions on things you think would help out that I could cover in the next ones🙏
Awesome tutorial and instructions Quinn and “that’s why you’re that guy” 😂😂as you instructed the aha moment will come👏🏽just have to put in the work (training and practice) all you mentioned in this video is very true you can’t be missing any of these elements in the maneuvering of the full lock operations 🙌🏽the hardest was getting the correct speed precisely 🙈
@@BluAlualu hey thanks and glad to hear this made sense for you👍
Hi Quinn, thanks for this video. Let’s go practice!
This was awesome! Thank you!!!
You never deliver a bad video! Amazing content as always! What gloves are you wearing, the Lee Parks you mentioned a long time ago?
Finally I realized, I need to burn more incense. It did it. 😂. Great video, Sir. Thank you for all the advice.
Outstanding!
Thank you!!! I needed this. I’m so uptight doing these drills, hands and arms are sore after just 5mins. Full on soaked with sweat 10mins in.
@@4b11t9 once you work out the process, you will use far less energy expenditure. Just about any new physical process, I learned, regardless of what it is will cost me significantly in mental and physical energy until I wrap my head around it and am repeatable. It will get much much easier overtime I promise.👍
Thank you so much, happy newyear 🎉
verry verry good explication . thanks grts from belgium
Love the hair cut!!!! ❤❤❤❤
thank you
Thanks.
Another great vid, thank you! I can’t wait for the ice to melt so I can start drilling on my GS. Just about every ride includes a few minutes in an empty parking lot.
If you ever come to MA I would love a private lesson. I could pay you in pizza pockets and a delicious ginger ale.
@@MXD29 i’m coming out to the Laconia bike week in June. Not sure how far that is from you? I will be doing some clinics out there during the competition. Let me know.
@@PoliceMotorTraining it’s 90 minutes from our house but we also have a place about 20 minutes away right on the lake so it’s super close either way. What are the odds you’ll be able to stick around a bit after? I’d love to show you some of these back country roads. Maybe we could ride some of the NEBDR or just sit on the boat and do nothing. All sound like great options haha.
My problem is the feedback loop: What will happen if I reach full lock? Won't the bike hit the ground right away? So I always fight with the other arm to prevent reaching full lock because I think that if I won't the next thing is me picking up the bike from the ground.
Thanks for another great video! Off topic question: how would you compare the Concours14 over the ST1300? On paper I know that the Connie is a better overall bike, but I'm intereseted in your opinion, esp in regards to suspension, manouverability and the brakes. I know that the RT is a better bike than those 2 but it is a bit out of my price range, and frankly I'm a bit concerned about the cost of maintanance if anything major goes wrong. Cheers!
@@devianthousend well I have owned both bikes and competed on both bikes and they are quite different. The Honda has a soft spot in my heart. It is quick and agile for its weight and the suspension is pretty planted for tight maneuvers. I think it’s a very forgiving chassis. I’ve done some Track clinic work on it with my knee down and it’s still not bad ha ha. The brakes are strong, but I’m not a fan of the linked system, still I get used to it, but I don’t love it. Kawasaki is quite a bit bigger and taller and heavier, much more of a brute and tight situations. Let’s just put it this way: I took overall first place at various events on both platforms, but I’m pretty sure the Kawasaki took years off of my life expectancy given how much more work it was in tight environments! But the faster you go, the more the Kawasaki is superior. It’s just more modern, and definitely a hell of a lot more powerful. I would not hesitate to circumnavigate the globe on the Honda any day though.
@PoliceMotorTraining Dang, well maybe I should look at a Goldwing then and get the best of both worlds, the power and the globe circumnavigating in comfort. Minus the tight cornering, those things won't win you any competitions I suppose..
@@devianthousend If I could have one bike it would be a Goldwing. I LOVE them. Power, comfort, agile as H*ll for a bike hundreds of pounds less...No I won't win a competition on one but who cares
@@PoliceMotorTraining just to be clear are you talking about the previous generation (pre-2018) Goldwing? I test rode the newest one and its just too small for me (I'm 6.5). Smooth as butter yeah but a bit cramped and I hate that they took out so much storage space just to appeal to todays standards of ever shrinking motorcycles. Now the previous model, thats a proper Golwing, I'll take that any day of the week thank you very much.
When counterbalancing in this case, it appears you shift your body alignment, but not position in the seat, correct?
@@watsonf3b in the video I produced, I’m only moving my upper body, and I leave my butt in the seat. Some people feel more comfortable counterbalancing by sliding their butt around, but it’s not really efficient what you want to start changing directions more rapidly. Plus, it’s a little more complicated as far as teaching goes, so I attempt to tell people to just leave their butt in the middle of the seat and start unlocking their range of motion with the upper torso. If you get time, watch my balance Ball 2.0 video and it walks you through the counter balance process pretty good.
I will say that if you review any of my competition videos, you will see I’m all over the motorcycle and do not adhere specifically to this instruction. I’m giving you, but that has more to do with the fact that I use my feet and create significant downforce on the foot pegs when I’m transitioning from One Direction to the other, Which creates the illusion that I’m making an effort to slide my butt around on the seat when in fact, the motorcycle is just moving rapidly underneath me.
Do the same concepts apply for motorcycles with more of a rake like the HD Rocker C or Honda Fury?
@@CaptainFishHead720 from a foundational standpoint, yes. The only significant difference you have with bikes, varying in rake and trail and wheel size and tire profile and ground clearance will be the amount of force you will need to exert at the handlebars. Of course, all those variables will impact the resultant radius The motorcycle will turn, but my process would not change.
@@PoliceMotorTraining Thank you.
Does light pressure on the rear brake also help keep the bike upright during a tight turn?
Rear brake helps calm the chassis down a bit during a turn, not so much help keep you upright. It can be useful, but its not a formal component required to execute full lock. For this reason I left it out, as it tends to confuse the lesson. I would say that job #1 is good friction zone without brakes, THEN if you feel the need to have it on, go for it. But by then you won't need it. All that said, you aren't wrong to use it, just not a formal key ingredient.
Makes sense. Thank you.
Does this not depend on the lock of the bike you’re on? I have a CB500 Hornet and I've been practising this, I can only do full lock turns, well almost full lock with the bike ticking over? Do I need to go a bit faster and lean the bike?
Just curious, how often did you drop the bike back in the day learning this? I still find myself dropping the bike at least once in a 30min practice session.
@@4b11t9 I have dropped my motorcycle plenty of times, but it’s usually due to extreme pushing within a competition pattern and I’m trying to figure out how hard I can drive the tires with whatever traction coefficient I have at a given location. Specifically learning this technique, did not see me dropping the bike that I can recall, but I think that had more to do with the fact that I had the friction zone and the counter balance technique sorted out already. The friction zone training is generally where most people struggle when they lean the bike over and don’t have that figured out yet so work on that first and the rest will get much easier
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a can do counter balancing. but i dont try leaning, im afraid....LOL
@@EvendimataE trust me- I totally get it! But like all things, time and focus and effort will win the day! Keep at it!