Instead of judging girls like Tana who are young and might party a lot and be hanging out with guys was too old for them. I wish instead ppl were more protective of those girls. Treat them like they're your little sister honestly. A lot of them need that
FR. When I was 18 and just starting to go out drinking I was literally told by a coworker that it would be my fault if I ended up getting assaulted. I wish I had somebody looking out for me and I'm definitely willing to be that person for someone else whenever the opportunity arises
Well thank god I don’t have a sister whos always strung out on drugs and made that + her entire personality over being “stupid” and a “slut”. Her parents are mostly to blame and it’s not the generals public to be protective over messy people like her, if anything people need to stay away from and just not associate with toxic disasters like her they are no good..I would NEVER associate with someone like Tana back then and even now. With that being said I don’t agree with what allegedly happened to her.
To me, this is not just about Tana and Cody but how our society does not take statutory rape seriously. The way we respond to this has the power to set a precedent.
YES!! Seriously! 17 year olds looked like BABIES to me when I was 25. It’s beyond gross. She looked young to me!! Kids don’t know any better. That’s why it’s soooo bad. Even if she was 18, in my book that’s nasty.
It would be interesting to know what Cody's view on this would be when his own child turns 17 years old... I doubt he would like it if a 25 year old preyed upon his kid
@@stanisawwojcik6847having intercourse with a 17 year old while being 25 is quite literally in the state of Florida, considered by the law as statutory rape. So yes, it was.
It's inane that kind of effect D'Angelo has. He can very seriously change internet discourse, now that H3, D'Angelo, Cr1TiKaL, and Philip Defranco are all talking about it, it's pretty much over for CodyKo, he can't ignore it anymore
Sad cause Tea Spill is a girl youtuber who has even more subs then him, and she made video about this MONTH ago. But on one cared cause she's not a male yt.
It's because they're male RUclipsrs. Women commentary RUclipsrs have been talking about this for like over a month, but no one listened until a man said something
@@1234betha I think it's also because they're bigger and have more influence and and a wider audience, especially in combination. Though the fact that they have so much influence in the first place might be because they're male. I also think that D'Angelo call out video was just extremely well executed and was timed just as the boat was staring to tip over, so we should give him some credit.
When I was in high school, I was jealous that my 15/16 year old friends were getting attention and hooking up with guys in their 20’s. we didn’t know any better. It’s the adult man’s responsibility to know better. I’m so sick of that argument. I’m sick of people victim blaming Tana just because she’s hooked up with other older guys, etc.
Yes it’s gross how common this is. I think sadly a lot of girls had this experience growing up with older guys 🤮. And we all look at them differently now that we’re mature and older… creeps.
Agreed! I was 16 dating a 21 year old. Looking back (now that I’m 30) that was SUPER fucked up and gross. It was a horrible relationship overall and I’m glad that after about a year of dating I was able to get out of it. I distinctly remember him even talking to me about lying to his friends about my age because he didn’t want his friends to think it was weird… like he acknowledged dating a 16 year old as a 21 year old was BAD!! Insane.
As a 25 year old dude, i could not think of anything more vomit inducing than having to drop your "lover" (statutorily raped young girl) off at high school while you work on your Master's Thesis dawg. Even if you're a complete loser who worka a very low end job even then you should have nothing to talk about, or anything else considering how different the experience of a 20 something male vs a high school girl is. So the sexual argument is all they can make FOR GETTIN WITH A MINOR. Plus I don't even need to get into why women around your sge or older should be more attractive due to maturity, knowledge of themselves, confidence, so on and so forth. This shit has just always never made sense to me on literally any level
It wouldn't really get him in legal trouble to acknowledge this crime since it is past the statute of limitations. The only things at risk are his career and reputation.
@@juliet6365 I mean you can accuse somebody anytime you want, but there is a statute of limitations in most states for both criminal and civil charges.
Well, to be fair she's lied about many many many things in the past. She's not afraid of accusing people of serious things and exagerating her experiences greatly. So, doubting about what she claims is not crazy.
I just want to point out that Adam McIntyre reported on this TWO WEEKS AGO! He’s always so ahead of the curve including with calling out Colleen Ballinger when nobody believed him.
I think the problem is that he and the others who reported on this are lumped into “tea”/drama channels so it’s going to be taken with more of a grain of salt when they also report on smaller dramas like James Charles making a cringy tiktok. Not discrediting them at all because I like their channels, but there is a very different audience for tea/drama channels whereas D’Angelo is known more for serious commentary and deep diving into research
as a 22 year old, maybe my perspective is too skewed because im younger, but a 19 year old doesn’t strike me as much different from me, i mean i feel like i was 19 just yesterday and its was just over 2 years ago, and my life has changed barely at all it seems, but maybe by 24 i’ll view 19 year olds differently
As a 23 year old, I feel like I have *nothing* in common with the 18 year olds I work with because they still look and act like children. 18 is technically an adult but anyone over the age of 21 who's been around an 18 year old knows that they're still kids. How does anyone in their mid-20s look at a high school senior and not become sick at the thought of sleeping with them? You truly need to be completely devoid of morals to pull the shit that Cody did.
Right people are treating it as if oh if they’re legal or almost legal it’s okay…but no I feel like the age of consent is the MINIMUM age you should ever have relations with…. Literally creeps me out that so many are waiting on these young women to finally turn 18…and then suddenly it becomes okay🤢
People arguing the semantics of age of consent makes me feel soooo icky. A number in a law should not be the only thing stopping you from going after a child
At 17 you´re on the cusp of adulthood we all knew some 15-19 year who in those years was partaking in all kinds of alcahol, drugs, parties you name it. Can´t really in the same breath call those types unblemished innocence.
They'd go lower if they could is what they're basically admitting. It used to be 14 in the uk till 2008 which was only 15 years ago, and even tho most ppl now would think that's WAY too young, you'd still see some defending it.
I think NOW people are talking about it, is because D’Angelo called out the commentary community. Sure maybe some of these people didn’t know since Cody hid it so well, but I just can’t help think that now, a very respected commentary RUclipsr like D’Angelo who calls people out is actually calling out the people in the same space so NOW all of the commentary RUclipsrs are posting his link and speaking up about. Would they have done it if D’Angelo didn’t call out the community? Idk
I noticed this too, it’s so obvious 😅. I honestly don’t think they would have if he didn’t call them out . What a coincidence that as soon as Dangello said something some of these dudes made a video. 😅
yes even charlie only came in when he saw the waters were safe and that nothing happened to d'angelo. That's the problem with these commentary channels now that they are so rich and successful they have more to lose so are more risk averse. d'anegelo was the courageous one who took the first step when no one would and the rest came in when they got the all clear.
I think those commentary youtubers experienced a massive wave of backlash for not speaking about it and the only way to stop the influx of dms/comments was to finally talk about it
I genuinely think some of them had no idea. Like I was watching all Ko‘s videos until that D’Angel Wallace video popped up on my page. That is the very first time I’ve heard about it. Very shocking truly…
I hate the hate Tana is getting, victims should never get hate for being assaulted. When you’re young you don’t think anything is wrong with dating or sleeping with adults but when you get older you realize how fucked up it is and would never think to do that with a CHILD.
As a female who's been through similar if not worse situations it's crazy for her to try to out him like that when she even said somebody else had to be the one to tell Cody and I don't even like him about her age . Like this is all just so pointless to me so much more going on in the world
I never understood that…as a child I always knew associating with adults in an inappropriate manner were wrong because thats what my parents taught me…these parents arent teaching their kids and thats the problem.
@@TheReal0re0McFlurr they could legally send her to war a year after that. Do you understand how insane that is? The male brain doesn’t even fully develope til 25. Under ur logic THEY ARE KIDS TOO. BUNCH OF KIDS BEING DUMB ASF. You know who should be protecting her? Her parents. Go hold them accountable.
The "17 is almost an adult" argument is so idiotic bc im turning 24 in a couple of weeks and I'm only JUST NOW confident that I can make rational decisions for myself and my wellbeing. 17 is still a teenager and super vulnerable to manipulation from older ppl like Cody
exactly. plus theres so much life experience between 17 and 18, and again from 18 to 19. at that age, each year matters immensely imo. i hate the 17 is close to 18 argument because predators use that to justify lower ages. its an awful rhetoric.
Thank you for saying it. I'm in my early 20s, and thinking about how I was at 18, I was almost identical to 17, still extremely emotionally immature. I had no difference in my life besides paying taxes and voting, which is like 1% of being an adult.
@@EllTrotr so true. i'd even argue that at 18 you're even more vulnerable, especially if you don't live with parents. i'm in my mid 20s and as an 18 year old, got taken advantage of because i was "an adult now" and "so mature." there's so much that goes into toxic dynamics often found with a significant age gap, but it's brushed under the rug because...people take advantage of teenagers. at work, in friendships, in relationships - it needs to be addressed more. and that isn't even adding in if someone grew up with trauma, because that can leave them even more vulnerable. nearing 25 myself, i look back at my 17/18 year old self and think wow, i didn't know anything. being fully aware of that and approaching a minor is just. Gross
For real, 17 I was still highly impressionable. Which gets me cause even 19 is still an impressionable age. I feel 20 at the least if not 21 should be the age of consent.
I hate how people always involve the law when it comes to these things. Slavery was once legal. What matter is he was 25 and she was 17 and a fan of his. That's a power/maturity imbalance. That's bad.
@@idkwhattoputheretbhbuthereew yeah she dated him at 22, it sometimes gets brought up but it never got enough attention. But that’s not really equivalent to Cody ko so it’s kinda weird to bring up rn
@@barelybennet0224 I think it's relevant because people were defending it because he was 17, saying that it's basically 18. It's the same here. People are defending Cody because Tana was 17. It's disgusting
Which is def out of character for her. But tbh, knowing how Gabbie is, I almost feel like it came from a place of jealousy rather than actually wanting to protect Tana. Like “why are these men choosing young girls over me” sort of thing.
@@DirectionerSwaggy69 what? Who cares? We don’t know why she did it. Yes, she’s a little weird, but most women don’t want to see a young girl get raped, nor a man get into trouble by unknowingly sleeping with a minor. This is just weird to speculate and doesn’t add anything to this important convo.
@@erm492 well they’re on here talking positively about her, and I just think especially when it comes to rape she doesn’t deserve any credit in this conversation after what she did to jessie smiles. She is a proven rape apologist. And jessie has to live with it so much to this day she still has a podcast and pretty much confirmed that the reason they don’t want to talk about this is because they don’t want to talk about gabbie hanna on their channel. so yes it is important to remember that. And also she literally bullied tf out of Tana when she was younger and not to mention, gabbie was older herself making like friends with Tana and yet secretly being a hater. Tana was probably a fan of Gabbie’s too. So yes remember that Gabbie hanna is literally like a disgusting shitty person too and likely not coming from where you think she was.
@@erm492 well they’re on here talking positively about her, and I just think especially when it comes to SA she doesn’t deserve any benefit of the doubt in this conversation after what she did to jessie smiles. She is a proven SA apologist. And jessie has to live with it so much to this day she still has a podcast and pretty much confirmed that the reason they don’t want to talk about this is because they don’t want to talk about gabbie hanna on their channel. so yes it is important to remember that. And also she literally bullied tf out of Tana when she was younger and not to mention, gabbie was older herself making buddies with Tana and yet secretly being a hater when she was basically still a child. Tana was probably a fan of Gabbie’s too, just like Cody. So yes remember that Gabbie hanna is literally a trash person too and likely not coming from where you think she was.
@@DirectionerSwaggy69 I listen to Jessie’s podcast and I know the whole story. I do get that position but I still just think it’s not right to assume someone’s intentions. No one’s applauding her for doing the bare minimum. No one except Cody and his rapist friend should be being criticised right now.
I have to dispel some of the legal myths people spread to defend Cody, just since I'm a former prosecutor and current defense attorney. It is true that the age of consent is below 18 in more than half of the states (16 or 17) including here in North Carolina (while the age of consent in Florida where this allegedly happened is 18). But there is always an "age separation" set for criminality (so someone cannot be prosecuted, for example, for having sex with someone one week younger than them just because it was their birthday yesterday). So if someone is 4 years older it is criminal, or in some states >6 years older. In some places, there are degrees set by age separation so 3 or 4 years older could be 2nd degree rape and 5 or 6 years older would be 1st degree. Summary: what Cody was alleged to have done is a crime and would have been a crime in almost every state. What NOBODY is talking about is there is an 8-year reporting deadline in Florida for statutory rape (must be reported within 8 years of the victim's 18th birthday), which effectively acts as a statute of limitations. And while that time would have just passed on her recent June birthday, there are exceptions to that time limit (I don't know them all because I don't practice in Florida)...so it is likely Cody has gotten legal advice to stay silent. What srikes me in this case is the consistency of the victim's statements over the past years and also the corroboration of the witness (highlighted so well by D'Angelo Wallace in his video). While there is a presumption of innocence in court, we are not in court, and as a former fan of his, it disgusts me. Great work as always being ahead of the curve on an important issue, H3.
Yes, 25 is the average age when the prefrontal cortex (PFC) fully matures. That's the part of the brain that controls decision making, regulation of emotions and such.
I think being around a girl Tanas age at the time really puts this into perspective. My daughter is 16..it would not be okay sleeping with a 24 year old. And when she turns 17..a 25 year old would be unacceptable. People can talk about the age of consent all they want and how it differs state to state. But when you truly see the mentality of a 17 year old vs a 25 year old..you can see how problematic this is. Cody can not hide forever. Really sucks because I've been a big fan for a lot of years. Kelsey isn't at fault but she is complicit. Unfortunately..that's the truth.
It's so gross, I slept with a 28 year old at 17 and I was met with the same vitriol that Tana is getting now in my personal life. Being 28 now and putting that into perspective is genuinely disgusting to me, I live in the UK so while it's legal, I was in my school uniform doing my exams less than a year prior 🤢 I feel the same as Tana where it's not this big traumatic moment, but it's definitely something I look back on and recognise how messed up it was, I was definitely still mentally a child at that age
I wouldn’t be too hard on kelsey though, i mean the girls trying to not have her and her son’s entire life and future uprooted. I can see why she’d try her best to make it all work, i’m sure the majority of people would take the bad with the good and try to make the best of it in her shoes. I can also imagine in a number of years when their son is getting near that age, and Kelsey is reminded of just how immature the mentality of a 17 year old is, and it causes issues between her feeling comfortable and secure with being with Cody down the road
@@FeeForDreams... Bro her wanting to be "comfortable" and "not have her life uprooted" is being complicit in this. I dont think shes evil evil or on the same level of wrong as Cody Ko's actions, but she is allowing this to go under the rug and is choosing to stay with a guy who preyed on a teenager
@@juicyfry4326 I know, i’m not saying she’s doing the most morally right thing, i’m saying i can see how she and many people in her shoes would try her best to salvage her life and her future first and foremost. I’m saying let’s not be too hard on someone or criticize too harshly someone who’s never been in this position before and is just trying to make it out of this without her entire life falling apart.
@@stifton1 Thanks for sharing this. It's sickening reading the replies obsessively defending the situation just because the age of consent is lower in other countries. I live in London so I know what you mean. I think it's somewhat reassuring that older folks tend to date their age here, much like teens tend to date teens. But it's still an uncomfortable thought knowing that the government genuinely believes a 50 year old can have a normal healthy consensual relationship with a 16 year old, even tho you're extremely young at 16, and there are plenty of things you're legally not allowed to do. I remember when a teacher at my old school gch got arrested a few years ago for sleeping with a student who was 16-17 at the time, while he was 32. The only reason he was arrested was because he was her teacher, and not because of her age. I don't understand the thought process behind some of our laws here. Why is 50 and 16 ok, but you can't buy sex toys in shops till you're 18, and you can't do sex work either? You can't buy sharp objects like scalpels for your dt project, and you're too incompetent to get tattoos . But pregnancy and being prone to manipulation is perfectly fine and a risk they're willing to take lol.
@@beebaw99 he's got a greencard (he talked about it when they moved in together), and that can be taken away very easily. They almost revoked Biebers when he was acting up.
Y'all, Kelsey has known for years. When tana first mentioned she said she talked to Kelsey about it. She also allowed cody to invite his rapist friend to their wedding.
I stopped liking her after she praised some awful books from Colleen hoover. For context these books romanticise and glorify abuse and manipulation from men
I hate when people blame young girls for being into older guys… it’s literally normal for a teen, or even a child, to be attracted to an adult, a fully sexually developed human. What’s not normal is that a fully developed human feels attracted to a minor. That’s the weird part.
Tana was 17 years 10 months when she decided to hook up with Cody. What sexual development did she do I the 60 days it took for her to become a legal adult?
@@TomikaKelly if she had been fully 18 it would still be weird and wrong. 25 is too fucking old to be hooking up with high schoolers, I’m sorry that you think otherwise.
Really refreshing with all of the caveat-sentences citing her as “normally a liar” or similar. Not a lot of people know how lonely this experience of even bringing it up can be and how easy it is to kick someone while they’re already down with it.
@@FeeForDreams in humanity. I have no stake in Ethan either way, but he seems to genuinely love his family and treat his staff well. And there are no mutterings around that he slept with a teen while a grown man so he's cool in my book.
I disagree that Kelsey is totally innocent, she's friends with the rapist Colby and went to his fiancé's bachelorette party (and seems to know that people would not be cool with that as she did not share any content of her at it)
@SugarPeachPrincess regardless of whether she knew then, she def knows now... and still chose to run in the same circles. They're both rape apologists.
As nice as it is that everybody’s rallying around Tana/denouncing Cody now, he’s still not gonna say anything. From a legal standpoint, he’s opening himself up to litigation. Plus, by staying silent and hoping that this all blows over once again, he’s protecting his cash flow aka sponsors, podcast money, etc. So sad. I wish it mattered to him that he’s losing the core of his integral audience, but keeping everyone who either doesn’t care or is a raging misogynist.
yeah I agree that there's a decent chance he won't speak up about it, but if he doesn't, sooo many youtuber's who've collabed with him in the past aren't going to be willing to do so again
i was one of cody and noel’s biggest fans, i’ve supported TMG for almost 50 months on their website, and even longer on patreon. i hadn’t heard about this till d’angelo wallace’s video and man. i’m fucking sick. canceled my sub to them. i’m very crushed
call me annoying but it pisses me off that people are more happy about penguinz0 talking about this rather than deangelo’s video that made him do it, us charlie fans have been waiting for this mf to talk about this for SO LONG. but he just never listened until recently
i mean it made a huge difference for charlie to discuss it but he only did it for clout and cash once he saw the coast is clear after seeing the reception to the d'angelo video. d'angelo did the right thing out of principle.
Yeah, I've always felt a little disappointed by his content. Like Ethan said, he's a bit of a fence sitter and his takes are often not nuanced or informative. I'm glad he talked about this because his following alone is enough to catapult the Cody Ko allegations to mainstream but it also comes off as if he's just piggy backing off of D'Angelo's hard work.
These replies are weird. He was boosting D'Angelo's video. He said himself that he messed up, but now he made it. Better late than never. Cody hid it really well, not a lot of people knew about it.
36:20 When your teacher is scolding the entire class and she says "I'm not talking about group C though, you guys have been good, the rest of you need to get it together"
Yeah, Florida is surprising hell Georgia is bad though because the age of consent here is 17 which is so confusing. But I'm 26 and I don't Date anyone younger than 24. To be 25 hooking up with a 17 year old is disgusting and crazy no matter what state or country you live in. Cause that gets me since it's been proven that people don't fully mature till they're at least 21.
I'd be curious to see how many women in these comments can also say they were taken advantage of by an older man when they were under 18 🙋♀️ The world is not a safe place for young women.
I hate people disgustingly justifying this situation saying shit like, "Well, in a year she would be legal," and "in my country/other states/EU/etc that is legal." I'm Australian, and here the age of consent is 16, but never in my life have I seen that as morally okay for someone with an age gap of that distance, as okay, regardless of the what the law says. We have all been 17 and 18 at one point, so in WHAT WORLD would a 25 year old be looking at someone that age as someone to sleep with. We all know that someone who is 17/18 is emotionally immature, and what is more unacceptable is the obvious power dynamic. Tana has stated she doesn't want to take legal action. This isn't a discussion about a legal issue, this is a moral issue. Wake the hell up.
That's something that a lot of people don't understand about AOC. People will point to the age of consent in other countries while fully ignoring that, even in countries where it's technically legal, it is generally in no way normal or acceptable for a teen to be in a relationship with a fully grown adult.
She was 17 years 10 months. She wouldn't have been legal in a year, she would've been legal in 60 days. Cody should've just waited out the 2 months then circled back.
@@TomikaKelly I think you're missing the issue. Yes, it was illegal, but it would have been similarly unethical if he had waited two months until she turned 18. The age of consent shouldn't be the only thing stopping fully grown adults from taking advantage of teens.
I find it interesting that so many people try to say that Kelsey is blameless throughout all the allegations towards her husband, but the more and more information that comes out about Cody’s past the more it seems like she knew about all of it ???? And if for whatever reason she had no idea that Cody is friends with a alleged r*pst (Colby L. who was recently invited and attended their wedding) and that Cody slept with a minor (Tana) …. Idk it just feels highly unlikely that she can play the dumb card and claim she didn’t know any of this information. I’m not saying Kelsey needs to be completely held accountable for Cody’s actions, but it does speak volumes about her character that she would choose to not only marry but decide to have a child with someone like that. That being said, it’s absolutely disgusting the allegations that are coming forward. It’s time for Cody to speak up. No more hiding
Problem with ur statement is ur assuming everything. She literally could’ve not known. People have married people in the past without knowing everything about them, because they were good at hiding it. Do you really think Cody would’ve brought this up? Why would he if he wanted to spend the rest of his life with her. Maybe you’re right, she maybe did know. But it’s completely unfair to assume, you’ve no clue what she is dealing with right now, so it’s not fair to say “it seems like she knew about it” just by watching the drama unfold online.
@@sleep4life812 honestly, these allegations have been swirling around for months - years prior to it becoming a mainstream conversation about the allegations so that’s what I’m referencing. Whether or not she knew from the very beginning of their relationship is something none of us will know for sure until she or him says otherwise (referencing Tana allegation)…. But this isn’t new news so to speak. She had to have known about his best friend’s allegations (you really don’t think as content creators they would have had a discussion about that seeing as the info about Colby resurfaced a couple years ago?) and especially with Cody ending up excluding the guy from his videos but kept his relationship with him mostly behind closed doors after his (Colby’s) allegations came to the surface. The whole thing is sus. And yes, I agree with you. We all have no idea what she is going through especially as a new mom and my heart does go out to her for that. If she did in fact have absolutely no idea at all that would be insane but all I’m saying is that’s a pretty naive stance to take. Which is why I started out my statement by saying that it’s interesting. And I don’t condone people going to her pages and spewing hate comments towards her. The only thing I’m stating is it’s pretty sus and unrealistic to completely exclude her out of the entire issue at hand. And with both of them deleting/censoring comments it’s making them BOTH look even worse than they are already do which is why I ended my previous statement saying that Cody needs to come forward and speak on the issue and stop wasting time.
yes much as the main blame needs to be centred on colby and cody I agree with you that people saying she's completely innocent are being naive. Like you said rumours have swirled for years and a guy like this doesn't not have more skeletons in his closet and his behaviour behind closed doors must raise way more red flags. also saw some video of her getting a 16yo girl to vape when she was 23yo.
A point I don't see anyone talking about, is that Tana likely isn't the only 17 year old he slept with, because if you're comfortable enough to be that brazen about it, you're definitely comfortable to do it multiple times, and who knows how much younger it could possibly be. Now, do I say that to imply he diddled kids back in the day? No, I can't see him being a straight up pedophile, but I can totally see him sleeping with a 16 year old or even potentially a 15 year old. Another thing too, we pretty much know it was at a party, so there's a pretty good chance Tana was drunk, I don't wanna hear 'Cody could've been drunk too' because Gabbie literally told him Tana was underage, there is no excuse, but if Tana was at all intoxicated that makes it another level of messed up. Severely disappointed in him after D'Angelo's video, knew about the Tana stuff before it, but didn't know he was openly friends with a rapist, and I'm disgusted.
@@NaudVanDalen not now but he made out with her in public, brazen probably wasn't the best word to use admittedly but this was my actual point in my comment
Cody has activated the Streisand effect, there’s no going back. He thinks hiding behind his moderators, wife and kid will help… Frat soy thinks this will all go away, disappear???
i think she posted on her instagram story about this, something along the lines of “if it’s true, that’s disgusting” (i’m paraphrasing). but yea, it took d’angelo wallace to make a video for her to speak up, when people in her comments have been bombarding her to say something for WEEKS
@brit331 the op isn't talking about just this situation, brittany refused to go on tana's podcast, for basically being too controversial, I'd suggest watching adam mcintyre's video on it.
i thought he was a bit corrupt in a "not THAT harmful way" due to the whole better help sponsorship stuff. But I could have never thought it was due to something this big. Why did u feel this way?
The only thing that gave me pause was knowing he was a frat bro, but I really tried to ignore it because that’s unfair of me to judge him over. Kelsey really is the one who convinced me to trust him, she seems so wholesome. I feel terrible that she and the baby are tied to this creep.
sometimes his comment section would have a good amount of weird shit (victim blaming, problematic behavior in general, homophobia) but only in replies to popular comments. i just took it up to a small but loud minority in his community expressing what they feel. i’m surprised that loud minority is really the majority of his audience
People act like age of constant and statutory rape laws are dating/sex guides. The aren’t meant to establish the line at which it’s okay for an older person to sleep with a younger person, they establish the line at which not only isn’t it okay, it’s illegal. A 25+ year old who sleeps with a just turned 18 year old is creepy, if the person is below the age of consent in the state it happens it’s creepy and illegal. I can’t go to jail for it shouldn’t be a dating metric.
Creepy is subjective. Some people see a man dating an older woman as creepy. Personally, I dont care if you're 24 or 64, if the age difference is greater than a high school gap, that to me is creepy. A 58 year old woman dating a 65 year old man is just as creepy to me as an 18 year old woman dating a 25 year old man is to you.
25:20 This is so correct. When I was 17-19, I dated/hooked up with a ton of older guys. I'm 25 now, and when I look back at it, I'm just like 'wtf....'. I'm not mad at myself, but I just can't believe that so many people in their late 20s to late 30s would be comfortable with being with a literal teenager because I certainly would never. I think I just started putting myself in there shoes once I got a few years older.
Exactly this. People are giving Tana so much unwarranted hate for a totally normal human thing to do. She’s 26 years old and thinking about how horrible it is that anyone her age would sleep with teenagers and she’s just grossed out and talking about it. The fact that anyone would take up for Cody Ko is so gross and just perpetuating problems our society has
@@kay.gochii the way hookup culture has been normalized in this generation is absolutely disgusting especially for the younger ages. Encouraging sleeping around with strangers is degenerate behavior. This doesnt apply for just women btw it applies to everyone. Have some self respect for yourself
No one’s talking about it because they know deep down they have probably done similar things. This sounds cynical, but having been a female my entire life and having been a high school girl that tried to act way older than I was, I can tell you this was a regular occurrence in my life. I remember going to a taking back Sunday concert (I know. I’m that old) at 16 with braces, and a few of the members asked if we wanted to party with them after. They all proceeded to try and hook up with my friends and I and they admitted to us they were 27 after we told them our age. I have countless stories like this. Don’t even get me started on my sorority years. The amount of roofies I was given or watched other girls stumble around after clearly being given some, is horrifying. I remember sitting back one night watching these frat guys and how they operate. They would huddle up and pinpoint the drunkest girl, then surround her, then one would drag her upstairs. This would continue until all the girls had left or were upstairs in their rooms. Sickening. Sadly though, this is so many other women’s experiences. Like these stories are by no means taboo. It’s the fact that men feel so comfortable being shitty when they think no one is watching. Well we are now. I truly believe a lot of men out there can’t judge Cody because they know deep down they have or would have done the same.
Thank you! I thought I seriously was the only one who thought this. There's an entire p*rn culture around "teens". This means a LOT of people like it, regardless.
@@driley5004 yes the teen porn section is a section for men who would rather be watching minors but legally can’t do this is their next best option. It’s so gross
This is so crazy to me that this is coming up again. A year or so after Tana and Cody originally collabed, it was rumored that Tana and Cody had slept together at that point of the video. Then you never heard of it again, completely forgotten, swept under the rug. I can’t believe now that it’s blown to this proportion. I wish it would’ve gained traction when it happened/when the rumor was originally going around
What ppl don't understand about the age of consent being 16 in some places is that it does NOT mean you can legally have sex with a 16 y/o no matter your age. For example, in Indiana, the age of consent is 16. In Indiana this means that a 16 y/o can legally have sex, but only if 4 years or less older than them. There are even states where the Romeo and Juliet law that allows the 4 year age difference does not exist and the age of consent is 16, meaning that a 16 y/o can have sex, but only with people 2 years or less older than them. This context is so vital! These Twitter creeps think that they can solicit sex with a 16 y/o as someone in their 30s if they just go to a different state. No matter where you are in the US, if you are 21 or over, you can not legally have sex with a 16 y/o! And Cody was 25. 9 years older than her, instead of 4. A massive difference.
I honestly wouldn’t assume Kelsey is fully innocent either… what’s the chance she knew about LITERALLY NONE of this? Also, she had a say in who the best man was, too, and picking him is a reallyyyy bad look. I wouldn’t be surprised if she didn’t care about any of these allegations. Yes she SEEMS like such a sweet person, but ya know who else did too? Cody….
yeah no way a guy can hide his true self from her especially with his graper friend too. way too many red flags. also saw a vid where she pressures a 16yo girl to vape when she was 23yo. so yeah the focus belongs to the perps but she's not above scrutiny.
People are normalizing talking to minors, that's how this stuff like 17 is like 18 and then 16 is like 17 and so on, people shouldn't be normalizing this because this is how bad things start
No one should be blaming anyone. Two people had sex. It happens every minute of the day. One of those people happened to be 17 years and 10 months old and the other 25. They both woke up the next morning, got dressed, and life went on...🤷♀️
i feel bad for d’angelo. the moment he brought up people not talking of it i thought of charlie. then immediately charlie jumps on it giving a bs excuse as to why he hadn’t and everyone cheered
allegedly one of the subreddit mods is cameo co-founder who also was in the same frat... cody was the first influencer to do cameos when the site started out because his frat bro asked him to help out there are interviews from 2019 where the guy tells the story
the amount of ppl in hasan chat today trying to blame tana time and time again AS A PROGRESSIVE CHAT really really shocked me bc how would this ever be her fault??? to try to blame her because shes rich and was underage at a club is MADNESS like this doesn’t happen all the time in the media world this is so sad and terrible to watch i don’t care for tana much but that should NEVER matter in this situation
I saw that too, this is why I don’t trust communities that label themselves ‘progressive’ . They all have their limits and believing women is a popular one.
17 years & 10 months IS practically 18. I was NO DIFFERENT at 18 years 0 months than I was at 17 years 10 months, which was the age that Tana chose to hook up with Cody, and I'm 100% certain the same is true for Tana.
Agree with Dan. It's fair to talk about tanas scandals in the past. It gives context as to why people dismissed her claims/allegations. To ignore it and not mention it wouldn't make sense.
I feel so bad for Kelsey. Imagine being her and finding all these details out (if she didn’t know already). The rumors of him proposing a week after Tana’s video, him asking her is she’s good after the wave started, and now, letting hate comments flood her comment section months after having a baby. So she is probably not feeling the best emotionally.
I got into an argument on Cody’s reddit about tana. The person was legitimately trying to say that bc she did coke with adults in hotel rooms at a young age, the Cody thing isn’t a big deal. I told them that just bc a child is being taken advantage of or abused by other adults doesn’t make it okay! Thats literally how predators think. They target kids who are already neglected or abused. Also, it was extremely triggering for me bc that type of talk is precisely the reason it took me a decade to tell another person about my experience. I was also 17, also irresponsible, I was drunk and high with adults…still does not make it right or okay. My situation isn’t exactly the same as hers but as a 17 yr old girl I 100% thought nobody would believe me or I would have to answer to why I was there in the first place (like it was my fault) it wasn’t even until I told my husband one night that I realized how bad it actually was. And I was around 25 at that time. I honestly have let myself believe that society is getting better and this whole thing reminded me that those parts of society never go away, they just go quiet at times…they’re always there. I genuinely thought this was becoming a world where girls like me would feel safe talking about their experiences but apparently only if those girls are perfect and have never made mistakes. It’s really upsetting and a great reminder that we as women can never stop fighting, if not for us then at least for the younger generations.
I'm confused. At 17, I knew what the drinking age was, I knew cigarettes were bad, and I knew that drugs were illegal. It didn't matter who did what around me or who said what; I knew what I knew and I took responsibility for myself and my actions. You lived 17 years on this planet and didn't know not to be drunk at 17? 🤔
as a current 28yo there’s no way or reason to excuse this behavior. he was old enough to be her TEACHER. i’ve followed and watched cody since vine. he knew what he was doing & likely justified it to himself at the time bc of how much more “mature” tana presented herself at the time. she also made videos online & was a public social figure. SHE WAS STILL 17. when EYE was 25, i was already looking at 18-21yos as worlds apart & neutral people. no sexual interest at all bc they seem SO much younger.
If someone is not old enough to vote, they are not old enough to consent to anything. There’s a reason why 17 year olds can’t drink or vote or sign contracts, they are not an adult yet. And if a 25 year old has no problem with “seeing” a 17 year old it’s a real issue. I’m 21 and I can’t even fathom the idea of seeing a 17 year old as anything but a child. That is a kid, and Codyco is disgusting for not caring about that. Also the people defending him by saying that Tana, at 17, was an adult would definitely turn around and say that a 20+ year old college student who r-worded someone is “just a kid”.
"If someone is not old enough to vote they are no old enough to consent to anything." *But a 17 year old can consent to getting a driver's license and operating a 2 ton weapon (car) on a freeway at 70 miles per hour? 🤔 *But a 17 year old can consent to joining the labor force? 🤔 *But a 17 year old can consent to having a whole entire baby? 🤔
Look as someone who is from a country where our age of consent is 15. We put this there simply because teenagers in similar ages can continue dating and exploring their sexualities. If a couple ends up with larger age gaps it falls on the parents to monitor if its a healthy relationship because they' need to prioritise Their child. Its not because we approve of children and adults hooking up! Even as teenagers if we hear about large age gaps we get taken aback and investigate it from our peers perspective. "Are you okay? Have you talked to your parents? Do you need us to do something?" We hear them out, and listen. There are situations that are more clear and some that aren't. Some are clearly are not because they are being used and manipulated. And some are just buddig relationship or courtship that arent sexual yet and need to be monitored by parents.
I'm from Germany, so I'm not that deep into American RUclips and their creators but I know the basic history and people. I started watching Cody Ko in 2022 maybe? and at first I was like "damn he's such a nice, humble and good human, he treats his wife as he should (from what I've seen in the videos) and he's just a good guy" . Then I remember watching a random video from his 2 Channels where he started talking about a past event where he did standup or smth in a hotel with another RUclipsr blablabla. The point of the story was that he drank really expensive alcohol and thought it was for free just because he performed hours before in the hotel... But not in the bar or smth in the hotel where they're drinking - it was separate he explained. And he got really mad about the fact, that he had to pay for the alcohol in the end... instead of getting it for free. Because he's Cody ko. He said, yeah they must have known me and they never said a price... But common...How entitled do you have to be to get paid THOUSANDS (that's what he said) for one evening and then rly think everyone knows him and everything is free for him just because of a job there... This really gave me the ick. Since this Video and his honest entitlement I always thought he must have a big ass ego. Just really suits this situation now.
I’m a therapist who works with a lot of adolescents and transition age young adults. If you legitimately cannot understand how different the maturity level is between 17 and 25, I’m concerned. She was a child who’d been extensively traumatized and idolized him. He took advantage of her. Period. That’s not even about the law it’s about him being gross at an age he really should have had the awareness to know better.
I haven’t seen many people mention this, but the ages are 17 and 25. And those can be the ages of a high school senior and their teacher. I had a student teacher who was 22 when I was 17. So it makes me think, how would people feel about it then; if Tana was a student and Cody was her teacher. Would the conversation be the same? Would people still say “oh it was Tana what did she say/do/wear?”. To me I think it’s very telling how many people claim that because Tana was a “party girl” it wasn’t that bad. But to me it can feel worse in this case. Why is a 25 year old hanging around younger “party girls”. I know many kids start their partying era around 17/18 especially in Canada. But idk it feels very gross to me to have a grown adult encourage a teenager to begin their party era of life at such a vulnerable age. Anyways just my 2 cents on this.
Tana also mentioned how she had grown up watching cody and loved his videos and was a huge fan. there was a similar student/teacher seniority dynamic since he was an older successful person in the same field of work
The party in question was 18+. Cody was supposed to be there, Tana wasn't (and she KNEW she wasnt). The age of consent is 18+. Both of them knew they weren't supposed to be sleeping together, yet they both chose to have sex. They both fucked up.
@@TomikaKelly sorry darling not how that works. The child should not be held responsible for the actions of the adults around them. Who let Tana into the party? Who saw the both of them leave? Who was the adult in the situation?
@Angryoyster *Tana let herself into the party, the same way she let herself into many other parties and drug infused situations she'd been in up until that point. *They saw each other leave. *Cody Ko was 25, and Tana was 17 when they both mutually decided to leave an 18+ party and have sex with each other, allegedly. Minors have sex literally every single day. Hell, minors even go to planned parenthood or the doctor for birth control and contraceptives (as they should because having a baby young is no joke.) *"The child should not be held responsible for the actions of the adults around them." I'm holding Tana responsible for HER actions, NOT Cody's, but let's explore this: Do you know how many teenagers are in prison for life right now for things they did in the company of 18+ year olds? Apparently, minors CAN be held accountable for their own actions. *It sounds like you're just going to have to stay mad....🤷♀️
I might be the weird one, but a law shouldn't be telling YOU how to be a decent human being. We all have been 17, we remember the mental state we were in at the time, the vulnerability and naivety that we had. If you, as a 25 year old would never hang out as friends with 17 year old teens, why would you be getting in the pants of a teenage girl??? Common sense and basic decency is not something the legal system should reinforce by applying a punishment, those are values that you should have in the first place. Sorry for the rant...
I remember being 17 but I don't remember partying all night at 18+ clubs/parties. I remember studying for AP exams, practicing my college app essays, and an occasional hang out at the mall.
Weird thing Kelsey did, back when she was a Teacher, she gave Emma chamberlain (who was 16 at the time) her first vape (on video). Which is really sad knowing Emma struggled with a vape addiction.
How does a 16 year old even have a vape addiction in the first place? Did Emma NOT know she shouldn't have been vaping? 🤔 (Obviously no adult nor teacher should be giving a student a vase, but even if a teacher handed me a cigarette at 16, I'd have no use for it because I didn't smoke nor was I about to just because someone handed me a cigarette.)
I’ve seen a lot of people wondering why Tana is bringing this up NOW of all times. If I recall correctly, Tana is 25 or 26 now, and I imagine hitting the age that Cody was then has made her reflect more on just how young she was then and how messed up it was, even if she thought she was mature enough for it to not be a problem at the time. Similar to Demi’s “17-29” song.
As a 23 year old i feel like even flirting with someone under 20 is wrong. At this age you mature so quickly you’re different each year. 17 is taking advantage of someone.. I was a huge fan of Cody Ko and this has me fucked up.
At 16, I had multiple guys at 19-24 telling me I was mature and finding ways to put me in situations that weren’t legal. I also had a ton of other childhood trauma and literally forget these events and worse because so much has happened, when you break it down though it’s an awful feeling, so like Tana I usually minimize the impact to move forward or avoid it. I can’t believe there are so many that don’t understand this concept when the human experience is suffering and so many have trauma, ridiculous and apathetic.
Im curious why no one is speaking about JC Caylen tho? He would have been 22 at the time. And she said she hooked up with him and cody ko. I guess I just find it interesting that he's being ignored just cuz he's not as popular as Cody.
Its possible that she might have been 18 when she slept with JC Caylen, the first time she talked about it she said she slept with them when she was around "17 or 18" I believe, unless im misrembering. Cody is the only one who she clarified later on she slept with when she was 17. A 23 year old sleeping with a 18 year old is definitely wierd / pretty creepy (at least in my opinion because im 23 and wouldnt ever consider fucking someone who just finished HS), but it isnt as bad as 25 and 17, and also isnt a crime.
@@FirstnameLastname-zq8oy I totally agree, however I think people should be asking for clarification because the way she coupled them up in the same sentence seemed as if they were not far apart. It's 1000% worth questioning and Im still shocked everyone is just fully ignoring it.
There’s a tik tok video showing an old emma chamberlain video where she is with Cody and Kelsey and they make her vape when she was 16. And they’re all hanging out like they’re not in their twenties so idk about Kelsey being all innocent….
What's funny is that Alex Silverstein looks like a big shot with his verified badge, but as we all know, that's just $8 per month and he's actually a nobody. 😆
I never have really liked Tana, but "believe victims" isn't something I say just for the hell of it. I'm glad the situation didn't seem to hurt her in the past, but that doesn't mean Cody can just be off the hook. Even if she was 18, she would be 7 years younger, an impressionable fan. It was his job to be responsible and he wasn't. I'm so disappointed in him.
I may dislike Tana and many people do, but it doesn't matter when it comes to something like this which is also backed up by others, she was 17 and he was in his mid-20's, no excuse
I do not support Cody's crime but Ethan saying "I don't hold TanaCon against her because it was a long time ago" is a poor defense and just the wrong thing to say.
Tanacon has literally nothing to do with this and she was a minor, it just shows how immature she was and proves that her brain was not fully developed. She was the victim of a crime, don’t down play it.
So he doesn't hold TanaCon against Tana where she literally endangered thousands of peoples lives, but he DOES hold sex against Cody for sleeping with someone who was 60 days shy of turning 18 ? 🤔🙄
The “17 is almost 18” argument is a slippery slope. Say society agrees and we lower the age of consent to 17… well then it becomes “16 is almost 17”. So forth and so on. Hard boundaries are incredibly important in law. Besides, as a 23 year old, even the thought of sleeping with someone under 21 makes my skin crawl.
@@stvk99because different countries have different laws???? by your logic just because something is a law somewhere it should count for something in other places. so because it’s illegal for women to drive in Saudi Arabia, that matters everywhere else and women driving should be questioned in other countries too?
I completely agree with Ethan about Charlie being a fence sitter. Like he’s fine but the reason he has such wide appeal is because he stands for little. Like all those qualifying statements about Tana were so unnecessary
38:40 she was a grown adult scamming her audience and saying it was donations for “breast cancer”, Tana’s not a good person but she deserves to be listened
Feel like yall are hard on Charlie either for no reason or just to be contrarians. Charlie can say anything and you’ll have a problem with it. Like how Charlie gave context that Tana isn’t liked online you gave him shit for it but Dangelo literally opened up with the same exact thing.
I like Cody. But it's very selfish of him to hide this. Come out with honesty for Tana and people like her or VICTIMS LIKE HER will keep being ignored.
Hiding and simply not responding are two different things. If someone is being accused of a crime, hoe do you know what his lawyers are advising him to do to say whether his actions are selfish or selfless?
are you slow he said that because ppl were accusing her of doing it for clout. obviously he wants attention on the story and it to blow up so why wouldn't he use the name of the focus of the video
@@troycamboare YOU slow?? I said I love that he did that, meaning I LIKED IT. when did I ever say it was a bad thing? Reading is fucking fundamental, bro.
@@troycamboif you're going to give this attitude to someone maybe try to humble yourself in the future because you didn't read this comment right and now you look stupid
as someone who has been through a similar thing to Tana as 17, you do look back at it differently when you're older. It may not have upset me at the time but it upsets me now that I let that happen to me. Not to throw a pity party but I can totally see why she would talk about it now
allegedly Kelsey and Kody had Emma chamberlain when she was also very much underage on their podcast and was shown handing her a juul vape. This all seems shady af!!
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Instead of judging girls like Tana who are young and might party a lot and be hanging out with guys was too old for them. I wish instead ppl were more protective of those girls. Treat them like they're your little sister honestly. A lot of them need that
THIS.
It’s weird how we condemn the girls but not the ones committing crimes/taking advantage
FR. When I was 18 and just starting to go out drinking I was literally told by a coworker that it would be my fault if I ended up getting assaulted. I wish I had somebody looking out for me and I'm definitely willing to be that person for someone else whenever the opportunity arises
Men clearly hate women
Well thank god I don’t have a sister whos always strung out on drugs and made that + her entire personality over being “stupid” and a “slut”. Her parents are mostly to blame and it’s not the generals public to be protective over messy people like her, if anything people need to stay away from and just not associate with toxic disasters like her they are no good..I would NEVER associate with someone like Tana back then and even now. With that being said I don’t agree with what allegedly happened to her.
To me, this is not just about Tana and Cody but how our society does not take statutory rape seriously. The way we respond to this has the power to set a precedent.
YES!! Seriously! 17 year olds looked like BABIES to me when I was 25. It’s beyond gross. She looked young to me!! Kids don’t know any better. That’s why it’s soooo bad. Even if she was 18, in my book that’s nasty.
It would be interesting to know what Cody's view on this would be when his own child turns 17 years old... I doubt he would like it if a 25 year old preyed upon his kid
@@stanisawwojcik6847having intercourse with a 17 year old while being 25 is quite literally in the state of Florida, considered by the law as statutory rape. So yes, it was.
@@elliesiriwardena2459 if that was different state everything would be fine then?
17 and a 25 hooking up is not bad at all? Also it’s statutory r pe not actual r pe it’s way different
It's inane that kind of effect D'Angelo has. He can very seriously change internet discourse, now that H3, D'Angelo, Cr1TiKaL, and Philip Defranco are all talking about it, it's pretty much over for CodyKo, he can't ignore it anymore
And these creators have brought it to light so OTHER creators will also talk and speak on this like Trisha Paytas and CinnamontoastKen
Sad cause Tea Spill is a girl youtuber who has even more subs then him, and she made video about this MONTH ago. But on one cared cause she's not a male yt.
It's because they're male RUclipsrs. Women commentary RUclipsrs have been talking about this for like over a month, but no one listened until a man said something
@@1234betha I think it's also because they're bigger and have more influence and and a wider audience, especially in combination. Though the fact that they have so much influence in the first place might be because they're male.
I also think that D'Angelo call out video was just extremely well executed and was timed just as the boat was staring to tip over, so we should give him some credit.
Bro that D’Angelo kid has legit 99% estrogen and MAYBE at most, 1% testosterone flowing through his thin, frail, picture frame “Human” body…
When I was in high school, I was jealous that my 15/16 year old friends were getting attention and hooking up with guys in their 20’s. we didn’t know any better. It’s the adult man’s responsibility to know better. I’m so sick of that argument. I’m sick of people victim blaming Tana just because she’s hooked up with other older guys, etc.
Yes it’s gross how common this is. I think sadly a lot of girls had this experience growing up with older guys 🤮. And we all look at them differently now that we’re mature and older… creeps.
@@FabiolaRVela that’s why so many men have the mentality that they gotta get us young, before we find out the truth 😢😂
Agreed! I was 16 dating a 21 year old. Looking back (now that I’m 30) that was SUPER fucked up and gross. It was a horrible relationship overall and I’m glad that after about a year of dating I was able to get out of it. I distinctly remember him even talking to me about lying to his friends about my age because he didn’t want his friends to think it was weird… like he acknowledged dating a 16 year old as a 21 year old was BAD!! Insane.
As a 25 year old dude, i could not think of anything more vomit inducing than having to drop your "lover" (statutorily raped young girl) off at high school while you work on your Master's Thesis dawg. Even if you're a complete loser who worka a very low end job even then you should have nothing to talk about, or anything else considering how different the experience of a 20 something male vs a high school girl is. So the sexual argument is all they can make FOR GETTIN WITH A MINOR. Plus I don't even need to get into why women around your sge or older should be more attractive due to maturity, knowledge of themselves, confidence, so on and so forth.
This shit has just always never made sense to me on literally any level
i remember in middle school my 13 year old friend would brag about her college boyfriends. i’m jaw-dropped rn even thinking about that…
His lawyers are 100% involved
Was very surprised Ethan dismissed that theory so quickly, I bet lawyers have been involved from the jump!
100%, Cody has a while team behind him and for sure at least one of them is a lawyer
It wouldn't really get him in legal trouble to acknowledge this crime since it is past the statute of limitations. The only things at risk are his career and reputation.
@@somethingstupid1075there is no statute of limitations for accusations of sexual assault or rape, right
@@juliet6365 I mean you can accuse somebody anytime you want, but there is a statute of limitations in most states for both criminal and civil charges.
It's disgusting that anyone would ignore this because "it's Tana"
Big up D'Angelo
Well, to be fair she's lied about many many many things in the past. She's not afraid of accusing people of serious things and exagerating her experiences greatly. So, doubting about what she claims is not crazy.
I just want to point out that Adam McIntyre reported on this TWO WEEKS AGO! He’s always so ahead of the curve including with calling out Colleen Ballinger when nobody believed him.
Same with Angelika Oles, smaller channels have been talking about this for ages honestly
He is not ahead of any curve, the one that first talked about this was Tana herself, everyone here keeps trying to give credit to other men.
@@ericktellez7632period
I think the problem is that he and the others who reported on this are lumped into “tea”/drama channels so it’s going to be taken with more of a grain of salt when they also report on smaller dramas like James Charles making a cringy tiktok. Not discrediting them at all because I like their channels, but there is a very different audience for tea/drama channels whereas D’Angelo is known more for serious commentary and deep diving into research
Rachel oates as well
As a 24 year old, the thought of having sex with a 17 makes me feel physically ill. Hell, having sex with a 19 year old feels sick.
as a 22 year old, maybe my perspective is too skewed because im younger, but a 19 year old doesn’t strike me as much different from me, i mean i feel like i was 19 just yesterday and its was just over 2 years ago, and my life has changed barely at all it seems, but maybe by 24 i’ll view 19 year olds differently
As a 23 year old, I feel like I have *nothing* in common with the 18 year olds I work with because they still look and act like children. 18 is technically an adult but anyone over the age of 21 who's been around an 18 year old knows that they're still kids. How does anyone in their mid-20s look at a high school senior and not become sick at the thought of sleeping with them? You truly need to be completely devoid of morals to pull the shit that Cody did.
I was 16 dating ... Barely dating a 24 yr old. That went badly...at the time I didn't care....now at 39... I think it's disgusting.
i'm 26 and hooking up with a 17 year old seems insane. they're literally children
Right people are treating it as if oh if they’re legal or almost legal it’s okay…but no I feel like the age of consent is the MINIMUM age you should ever have relations with…. Literally creeps me out that so many are waiting on these young women to finally turn 18…and then suddenly it becomes okay🤢
It's Kover.
It’s Cover
I can’t😂
He’s K.O.
People arguing the semantics of age of consent makes me feel soooo icky. A number in a law should not be the only thing stopping you from going after a child
Fr even if tana was 18 and cody slept with her at his grown age thats still weird imo
At 17 you´re on the cusp of adulthood we all knew some 15-19 year who in those years was partaking in all kinds of alcahol, drugs, parties you name it. Can´t really in the same breath call those types unblemished innocence.
They'd go lower if they could is what they're basically admitting. It used to be 14 in the uk till 2008 which was only 15 years ago, and even tho most ppl now would think that's WAY too young, you'd still see some defending it.
Especially when he’s a celebrity and could have had almost ANYONE of legal age
So he should've waited the extra 60 days then circled back to her?
I think NOW people are talking about it, is because D’Angelo called out the commentary community. Sure maybe some of these people didn’t know since Cody hid it so well, but I just can’t help think that now, a very respected commentary RUclipsr like D’Angelo who calls people out is actually calling out the people in the same space so NOW all of the commentary RUclipsrs are posting his link and speaking up about. Would they have done it if D’Angelo didn’t call out the community? Idk
I noticed this too, it’s so obvious 😅. I honestly don’t think they would have if he didn’t call them out . What a coincidence that as soon as Dangello said something some of these dudes made a video. 😅
yes even charlie only came in when he saw the waters were safe and that nothing happened to d'angelo.
That's the problem with these commentary channels now that they are so rich and successful they have more to lose so are more risk averse.
d'anegelo was the courageous one who took the first step when no one would and the rest came in when they got the all clear.
I think those commentary youtubers experienced a massive wave of backlash for not speaking about it and the only way to stop the influx of dms/comments was to finally talk about it
I genuinely think some of them had no idea. Like I was watching all Ko‘s videos until that D’Angel Wallace video popped up on my page. That is the very first time I’ve heard about it. Very shocking truly…
@@Kukurom Maybe but his video took away the excuse of not knowing from the people that just didn't wanna make a splash.
I hate the hate Tana is getting, victims should never get hate for being assaulted. When you’re young you don’t think anything is wrong with dating or sleeping with adults but when you get older you realize how fucked up it is and would never think to do that with a CHILD.
As a female who's been through similar if not worse situations it's crazy for her to try to out him like that when she even said somebody else had to be the one to tell Cody and I don't even like him about her age . Like this is all just so pointless to me so much more going on in the world
@@brendamonroe9261the point is that he was told she was 17 and still went through with what he did. its all on him
I never understood that…as a child I always knew associating with adults in an inappropriate manner were wrong because thats what my parents taught me…these parents arent teaching their kids and thats the problem.
@@jordangreene8125they also remove all responsibility from 1 party and victim praise them... its weird
@@TheReal0re0McFlurr they could legally send her to war a year after that. Do you understand how insane that is? The male brain doesn’t even fully develope til 25. Under ur logic THEY ARE KIDS TOO. BUNCH OF KIDS BEING DUMB ASF. You know who should be protecting her? Her parents. Go hold them accountable.
The "17 is almost an adult" argument is so idiotic bc im turning 24 in a couple of weeks and I'm only JUST NOW confident that I can make rational decisions for myself and my wellbeing. 17 is still a teenager and super vulnerable to manipulation from older ppl like Cody
exactly. plus theres so much life experience between 17 and 18, and again from 18 to 19. at that age, each year matters immensely imo. i hate the 17 is close to 18 argument because predators use that to justify lower ages. its an awful rhetoric.
Thank you for saying it. I'm in my early 20s, and thinking about how I was at 18, I was almost identical to 17, still extremely emotionally immature. I had no difference in my life besides paying taxes and voting, which is like 1% of being an adult.
@@EllTrotr so true. i'd even argue that at 18 you're even more vulnerable, especially if you don't live with parents. i'm in my mid 20s and as an 18 year old, got taken advantage of because i was "an adult now" and "so mature." there's so much that goes into toxic dynamics often found with a significant age gap, but it's brushed under the rug because...people take advantage of teenagers. at work, in friendships, in relationships - it needs to be addressed more. and that isn't even adding in if someone grew up with trauma, because that can leave them even more vulnerable. nearing 25 myself, i look back at my 17/18 year old self and think wow, i didn't know anything. being fully aware of that and approaching a minor is just. Gross
People cannot have sex at 17 in florida but in other state they can and its ok lol
For real, 17 I was still highly impressionable. Which gets me cause even 19 is still an impressionable age. I feel 20 at the least if not 21 should be the age of consent.
I hate how people always involve the law when it comes to these things. Slavery was once legal. What matter is he was 25 and she was 17 and a fan of his. That's a power/maturity imbalance. That's bad.
Yes me too, like nazism was legal at some point , doesn’t mean it was right 😅. It’s a weird ass take tbh.
Notably, it was also illegal. Like yes good point but it was definitely not legal in this case
Didn't Taylor Swift date a 17 year old boy? And people defended that so much. Not surprised people are defending this as well
@@idkwhattoputheretbhbuthereew yeah she dated him at 22, it sometimes gets brought up but it never got enough attention. But that’s not really equivalent to Cody ko so it’s kinda weird to bring up rn
@@barelybennet0224 I think it's relevant because people were defending it because he was 17, saying that it's basically 18. It's the same here. People are defending Cody because Tana was 17. It's disgusting
Shoutout to gabby Hannah for *checks notes* doing the correct and responsible thing
Which is def out of character for her. But tbh, knowing how Gabbie is, I almost feel like it came from a place of jealousy rather than actually wanting to protect Tana. Like “why are these men choosing young girls over me” sort of thing.
@@DirectionerSwaggy69 what? Who cares? We don’t know why she did it. Yes, she’s a little weird, but most women don’t want to see a young girl get raped, nor a man get into trouble by unknowingly sleeping with a minor. This is just weird to speculate and doesn’t add anything to this important convo.
@@erm492 well they’re on here talking positively about her, and I just think especially when it comes to rape she doesn’t deserve any credit in this conversation after what she did to jessie smiles. She is a proven rape apologist. And jessie has to live with it so much to this day she still has a podcast and pretty much confirmed that the reason they don’t want to talk about this is because they don’t want to talk about gabbie hanna on their channel. so yes it is important to remember that. And also she literally bullied tf out of Tana when she was younger and not to mention, gabbie was older herself making like friends with Tana and yet secretly being a hater. Tana was probably a fan of Gabbie’s too. So yes remember that Gabbie hanna is literally like a disgusting shitty person too and likely not coming from where you think she was.
@@erm492 well they’re on here talking positively about her, and I just think especially when it comes to SA she doesn’t deserve any benefit of the doubt in this conversation after what she did to jessie smiles. She is a proven SA apologist. And jessie has to live with it so much to this day she still has a podcast and pretty much confirmed that the reason they don’t want to talk about this is because they don’t want to talk about gabbie hanna on their channel. so yes it is important to remember that. And also she literally bullied tf out of Tana when she was younger and not to mention, gabbie was older herself making buddies with Tana and yet secretly being a hater when she was basically still a child. Tana was probably a fan of Gabbie’s too, just like Cody. So yes remember that Gabbie hanna is literally a trash person too and likely not coming from where you think she was.
@@DirectionerSwaggy69 I listen to Jessie’s podcast and I know the whole story. I do get that position but I still just think it’s not right to assume someone’s intentions. No one’s applauding her for doing the bare minimum. No one except Cody and his rapist friend should be being criticised right now.
I have to dispel some of the legal myths people spread to defend Cody, just since I'm a former prosecutor and current defense attorney. It is true that the age of consent is below 18 in more than half of the states (16 or 17) including here in North Carolina (while the age of consent in Florida where this allegedly happened is 18). But there is always an "age separation" set for criminality (so someone cannot be prosecuted, for example, for having sex with someone one week younger than them just because it was their birthday yesterday). So if someone is 4 years older it is criminal, or in some states >6 years older. In some places, there are degrees set by age separation so 3 or 4 years older could be 2nd degree rape and 5 or 6 years older would be 1st degree. Summary: what Cody was alleged to have done is a crime and would have been a crime in almost every state.
What NOBODY is talking about is there is an 8-year reporting deadline in Florida for statutory rape (must be reported within 8 years of the victim's 18th birthday), which effectively acts as a statute of limitations. And while that time would have just passed on her recent June birthday, there are exceptions to that time limit (I don't know them all because I don't practice in Florida)...so it is likely Cody has gotten legal advice to stay silent. What srikes me in this case is the consistency of the victim's statements over the past years and also the corroboration of the witness (highlighted so well by D'Angelo Wallace in his video). While there is a presumption of innocence in court, we are not in court, and as a former fan of his, it disgusts me. Great work as always being ahead of the curve on an important issue, H3.
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"let's do it baby i know the law"
- jaboukie
Thanks!
“Tiny Meat Gang” Tana didn’t out him; he did that himself. 😂
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You brain isnt fully developed until 25 too which is when most women realise how predatory men was towards you in your teenage years
so true
The video of Kody asking her to tell him about teen slang is so grosssss. She looks visibly uncomfortable.
Yes, 25 is the average age when the prefrontal cortex (PFC) fully matures. That's the part of the brain that controls decision making, regulation of emotions and such.
Studies are saying 27 now. Yes to all of this.
@@jessiealexandramoncrief2317 is it? Then better. I feel 25 is still too young lol 🤭
I think being around a girl Tanas age at the time really puts this into perspective. My daughter is 16..it would not be okay sleeping with a 24 year old. And when she turns 17..a 25 year old would be unacceptable. People can talk about the age of consent all they want and how it differs state to state. But when you truly see the mentality of a 17 year old vs a 25 year old..you can see how problematic this is. Cody can not hide forever. Really sucks because I've been a big fan for a lot of years. Kelsey isn't at fault but she is complicit. Unfortunately..that's the truth.
It's so gross, I slept with a 28 year old at 17 and I was met with the same vitriol that Tana is getting now in my personal life. Being 28 now and putting that into perspective is genuinely disgusting to me, I live in the UK so while it's legal, I was in my school uniform doing my exams less than a year prior 🤢 I feel the same as Tana where it's not this big traumatic moment, but it's definitely something I look back on and recognise how messed up it was, I was definitely still mentally a child at that age
I wouldn’t be too hard on kelsey though, i mean the girls trying to not have her and her son’s entire life and future uprooted. I can see why she’d try her best to make it all work, i’m sure the majority of people would take the bad with the good and try to make the best of it in her shoes. I can also imagine in a number of years when their son is getting near that age, and Kelsey is reminded of just how immature the mentality of a 17 year old is, and it causes issues between her feeling comfortable and secure with being with Cody down the road
@@FeeForDreams... Bro her wanting to be "comfortable" and "not have her life uprooted" is being complicit in this. I dont think shes evil evil or on the same level of wrong as Cody Ko's actions, but she is allowing this to go under the rug and is choosing to stay with a guy who preyed on a teenager
@@juicyfry4326 I know, i’m not saying she’s doing the most morally right thing, i’m saying i can see how she and many people in her shoes would try her best to salvage her life and her future first and foremost. I’m saying let’s not be too hard on someone or criticize too harshly someone who’s never been in this position before and is just trying to make it out of this without her entire life falling apart.
@@stifton1 Thanks for sharing this. It's sickening reading the replies obsessively defending the situation just because the age of consent is lower in other countries. I live in London so I know what you mean. I think it's somewhat reassuring that older folks tend to date their age here, much like teens tend to date teens. But it's still an uncomfortable thought knowing that the government genuinely believes a 50 year old can have a normal healthy consensual relationship with a 16 year old, even tho you're extremely young at 16, and there are plenty of things you're legally not allowed to do. I remember when a teacher at my old school gch got arrested a few years ago for sleeping with a student who was 16-17 at the time, while he was 32. The only reason he was arrested was because he was her teacher, and not because of her age.
I don't understand the thought process behind some of our laws here. Why is 50 and 16 ok, but you can't buy sex toys in shops till you're 18, and you can't do sex work either? You can't buy sharp objects like scalpels for your dt project, and you're too incompetent to get tattoos . But pregnancy and being prone to manipulation is perfectly fine and a risk they're willing to take lol.
Remember: Cody is also (still) a Canadian citizen, and a felony could immediately send him back there.
I'm not saying this is good or bad, but as a matter of fact that affects how he is choosing to respond with non-responses.
Maybe but he is married to an American citizen so that might not really matter
@@beebaw99 he's got a greencard (he talked about it when they moved in together), and that can be taken away very easily. They almost revoked Biebers when he was acting up.
Depends. If he has become a US citizen since then then he won't be deported. Otherwise, he still can
The statute of limitations has unfortunately run out on this. But I also doubt this is the only underage girl he’s crept on, so time will tell.
Y'all, Kelsey has known for years. When tana first mentioned she said she talked to Kelsey about it. She also allowed cody to invite his rapist friend to their wedding.
there’s also that video of her letting 16 year old Emma Chamberlain hit her juul circulating now too
i'm not saying i disagree or want to argue but can you bring up where tana said that?
she herself seems close to the r*pist friend, and isn’t she also very close with the guy’s partner?
I stopped liking her after she praised some awful books from Colleen hoover. For context these books romanticise and glorify abuse and manipulation from men
And we allowed full on racists (Tana and Brooke) to have a whole, lucrative podcast. America's a shitty place; what can I tell you.
I hate when people blame young girls for being into older guys… it’s literally normal for a teen, or even a child, to be attracted to an adult, a fully sexually developed human. What’s not normal is that a fully developed human feels attracted to a minor. That’s the weird part.
Tana was 17 years 10 months when she decided to hook up with Cody. What sexual development did she do I the 60 days it took for her to become a legal adult?
@@TomikaKelly if she had been fully 18 it would still be weird and wrong. 25 is too fucking old to be hooking up with high schoolers, I’m sorry that you think otherwise.
Ethan sticking up for Tana was the shred of hope I needed today. Thanks, seriously.
hope in what, in Ethan?
Or just in humanity in general?
Ethan’s more than proved he’s not a great guy either but at least he isn’t hurting anyone
@@FeeForDreamsno human is perfect
Really refreshing with all of the caveat-sentences citing her as “normally a liar” or similar. Not a lot of people know how lonely this experience of even bringing it up can be and how easy it is to kick someone while they’re already down with it.
@@FeeForDreams in humanity. I have no stake in Ethan either way, but he seems to genuinely love his family and treat his staff well. And there are no mutterings around that he slept with a teen while a grown man so he's cool in my book.
He used to slut-shame her quite a lot in his older videos
I disagree that Kelsey is totally innocent, she's friends with the rapist Colby and went to his fiancé's bachelorette party (and seems to know that people would not be cool with that as she did not share any content of her at it)
Do you know her? How do you know she even KNEW about something that happened before they even met?
@SugarPeachPrincess regardless of whether she knew then, she def knows now... and still chose to run in the same circles. They're both rape apologists.
Since when does that woman, or anyone for that matter, OWE you content of their personal life?
Seek help.
As nice as it is that everybody’s rallying around Tana/denouncing Cody now, he’s still not gonna say anything. From a legal standpoint, he’s opening himself up to litigation. Plus, by staying silent and hoping that this all blows over once again, he’s protecting his cash flow aka sponsors, podcast money, etc.
So sad. I wish it mattered to him that he’s losing the core of his integral audience, but keeping everyone who either doesn’t care or is a raging misogynist.
especially since everything is hear say, only an Idiot would speak up right now.
that's how most celebs get out of everything
yeah I agree that there's a decent chance he won't speak up about it, but if he doesn't, sooo many youtuber's who've collabed with him in the past aren't going to be willing to do so again
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i was one of cody and noel’s biggest fans, i’ve supported TMG for almost 50 months on their website, and even longer on patreon. i hadn’t heard about this till d’angelo wallace’s video and man. i’m fucking sick. canceled my sub to them. i’m very crushed
Canceled my sub like it costs a lot
@@stanisawwojcik6847???
@@stanisawwojcik6847 i mean $10 a month for 50 months isn’t a small amount of money either lol
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@@stanisawwojcik6847they said they supported TMG on patreon.. which does cost money to subscribe to
call me annoying but it pisses me off that people are more happy about penguinz0 talking about this rather than deangelo’s video that made him do it, us charlie fans have been waiting for this mf to talk about this for SO LONG. but he just never listened until recently
Yeah I guess that shows something about him doesn’t it? (Penguinz0)
i mean it made a huge difference for charlie to discuss it but he only did it for clout and cash once he saw the coast is clear after seeing the reception to the d'angelo video.
d'angelo did the right thing out of principle.
Yeah, I've always felt a little disappointed by his content. Like Ethan said, he's a bit of a fence sitter and his takes are often not nuanced or informative. I'm glad he talked about this because his following alone is enough to catapult the Cody Ko allegations to mainstream but it also comes off as if he's just piggy backing off of D'Angelo's hard work.
These replies are weird. He was boosting D'Angelo's video. He said himself that he messed up, but now he made it. Better late than never. Cody hid it really well, not a lot of people knew about it.
You are annoying
36:20 When your teacher is scolding the entire class and she says "I'm not talking about group C though, you guys have been good, the rest of you need to get it together"
this part was mad funny 😂 i started cracking up
D'Angelo the kinda guy that shows up when we need him most.
He's the Avatar of RUclips, bless him
Honestly so surprised that 18 is age of consent in Florida.
nah fr they’ve always got crazy shit going down but at least they’re reasonable in that way
Yeah, Florida is surprising hell Georgia is bad though because the age of consent here is 17 which is so confusing. But I'm 26 and I don't Date anyone younger than 24. To be 25 hooking up with a 17 year old is disgusting and crazy no matter what state or country you live in. Cause that gets me since it's been proven that people don't fully mature till they're at least 21.
@@frikettyfrak9117in a lot of countries it’s 16, for some reason.
I’m from Florida and until a couple years ago I thought all 50 states had the same age of consent of 18. I was blown away to find out some are 16!
@@jjk4754the reason is men.
I'd be curious to see how many women in these comments can also say they were taken advantage of by an older man when they were under 18 🙋♀️
The world is not a safe place for young women.
Unfortunately can confirm
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Yep :/
Yep 😔
I hate people disgustingly justifying this situation saying shit like, "Well, in a year she would be legal," and "in my country/other states/EU/etc that is legal." I'm Australian, and here the age of consent is 16, but never in my life have I seen that as morally okay for someone with an age gap of that distance, as okay, regardless of the what the law says. We have all been 17 and 18 at one point, so in WHAT WORLD would a 25 year old be looking at someone that age as someone to sleep with. We all know that someone who is 17/18 is emotionally immature, and what is more unacceptable is the obvious power dynamic. Tana has stated she doesn't want to take legal action. This isn't a discussion about a legal issue, this is a moral issue. Wake the hell up.
That's something that a lot of people don't understand about AOC. People will point to the age of consent in other countries while fully ignoring that, even in countries where it's technically legal, it is generally in no way normal or acceptable for a teen to be in a relationship with a fully grown adult.
@@kay.gochiiexactly the age of consent in Canada is also 16 and it’s still insanely weird seeing 25yo date 17 year olds here
She was 17 years 10 months. She wouldn't have been legal in a year, she would've been legal in 60 days. Cody should've just waited out the 2 months then circled back.
@@TomikaKelly I think you're missing the issue. Yes, it was illegal, but it would have been similarly unethical if he had waited two months until she turned 18. The age of consent shouldn't be the only thing stopping fully grown adults from taking advantage of teens.
I find it interesting that so many people try to say that Kelsey is blameless throughout all the allegations towards her husband, but the more and more information that comes out about Cody’s past the more it seems like she knew about all of it ????
And if for whatever reason she had no idea that Cody is friends with a alleged r*pst (Colby L. who was recently invited and attended their wedding) and that Cody slept with a minor (Tana) …. Idk it just feels highly unlikely that she can play the dumb card and claim she didn’t know any of this information.
I’m not saying Kelsey needs to be completely held accountable for Cody’s actions, but it does speak volumes about her character that she would choose to not only marry but decide to have a child with someone like that.
That being said, it’s absolutely disgusting the allegations that are coming forward. It’s time for Cody to speak up. No more hiding
How would she have known? Unless he told her or she did a full background check on all of his friends, she wouldn't know.
Problem with ur statement is ur assuming everything. She literally could’ve not known. People have married people in the past without knowing everything about them, because they were good at hiding it. Do you really think Cody would’ve brought this up? Why would he if he wanted to spend the rest of his life with her. Maybe you’re right, she maybe did know. But it’s completely unfair to assume, you’ve no clue what she is dealing with right now, so it’s not fair to say “it seems like she knew about it” just by watching the drama unfold online.
@@sleep4life812 honestly, these allegations have been swirling around for months - years prior to it becoming a mainstream conversation about the allegations so that’s what I’m referencing. Whether or not she knew from the very beginning of their relationship is something none of us will know for sure until she or him says otherwise (referencing Tana allegation)…. But this isn’t new news so to speak. She had to have known about his best friend’s allegations (you really don’t think as content creators they would have had a discussion about that seeing as the info about Colby resurfaced a couple years ago?) and especially with Cody ending up excluding the guy from his videos but kept his relationship with him mostly behind closed doors after his (Colby’s) allegations came to the surface. The whole thing is sus.
And yes, I agree with you. We all have no idea what she is going through especially as a new mom and my heart does go out to her for that.
If she did in fact have absolutely no idea at all that would be insane but all I’m saying is that’s a pretty naive stance to take. Which is why I started out my statement by saying that it’s interesting.
And I don’t condone people going to her pages and spewing hate comments towards her. The only thing I’m stating is it’s pretty sus and unrealistic to completely exclude her out of the entire issue at hand. And with both of them deleting/censoring comments it’s making them BOTH look even worse than they are already do which is why I ended my previous statement saying that Cody needs to come forward and speak on the issue and stop wasting time.
Yes exactly!!!
yes much as the main blame needs to be centred on colby and cody I agree with you that people saying she's completely innocent are being naive. Like you said rumours have swirled for years and a guy like this doesn't not have more skeletons in his closet and his behaviour behind closed doors must raise way more red flags.
also saw some video of her getting a 16yo girl to vape when she was 23yo.
A point I don't see anyone talking about, is that Tana likely isn't the only 17 year old he slept with, because if you're comfortable enough to be that brazen about it, you're definitely comfortable to do it multiple times, and who knows how much younger it could possibly be. Now, do I say that to imply he diddled kids back in the day? No, I can't see him being a straight up pedophile, but I can totally see him sleeping with a 16 year old or even potentially a 15 year old.
Another thing too, we pretty much know it was at a party, so there's a pretty good chance Tana was drunk, I don't wanna hear 'Cody could've been drunk too' because Gabbie literally told him Tana was underage, there is no excuse, but if Tana was at all intoxicated that makes it another level of messed up.
Severely disappointed in him after D'Angelo's video, knew about the Tana stuff before it, but didn't know he was openly friends with a rapist, and I'm disgusted.
There is absolutely no basis to say that right now
So she can drink while underaged? Lol what a sweet girl yeah
He's not being brazen about it at all. The polar opposite of brazen actually. He's completely silent on the allegations.
@@NaudVanDalen not now but he made out with her in public, brazen probably wasn't the best word to use admittedly but this was my actual point in my comment
@@CedricLeDeshYT-v2h I never said she could, I'm just saying there's a likelihood that she was, learn to read and learn to not blame victims
Cody has activated the Streisand effect, there’s no going back. He thinks hiding behind his moderators, wife and kid will help… Frat soy thinks this will all go away, disappear???
But Tana is the one that's too controversial for Brittany Broski 🙄🙄
For real. Another L for broski nation.
Brittany didn’t know??? Stop bringing people into this situation that have nothing to do with it
i think she posted on her instagram story about this, something along the lines of “if it’s true, that’s disgusting” (i’m paraphrasing). but yea, it took d’angelo wallace to make a video for her to speak up, when people in her comments have been bombarding her to say something for WEEKS
@@soiayam how about we focus on all the people that still haven’t commented on it???? Not nitpick the few people that have? Y’all are wild.
@brit331 the op isn't talking about just this situation, brittany refused to go on tana's podcast, for basically being too controversial, I'd suggest watching adam mcintyre's video on it.
Cody had always given me lil b1tch energy
i thought he was a bit corrupt in a "not THAT harmful way" due to the whole better help sponsorship stuff. But I could have never thought it was due to something this big. Why did u feel this way?
The only thing that gave me pause was knowing he was a frat bro, but I really tried to ignore it because that’s unfair of me to judge him over. Kelsey really is the one who convinced me to trust him, she seems so wholesome. I feel terrible that she and the baby are tied to this creep.
Yep. ‘The d-bag at the party’ vibes
Everyone on here screams lil bitch energy, easy to say shit behind phone screens huh
sometimes his comment section would have a good amount of weird shit (victim blaming, problematic behavior in general, homophobia) but only in replies to popular comments. i just took it up to a small but loud minority in his community expressing what they feel. i’m surprised that loud minority is really the majority of his audience
People act like age of constant and statutory rape laws are dating/sex guides. The aren’t meant to establish the line at which it’s okay for an older person to sleep with a younger person, they establish the line at which not only isn’t it okay, it’s illegal. A 25+ year old who sleeps with a just turned 18 year old is creepy, if the person is below the age of consent in the state it happens it’s creepy and illegal. I can’t go to jail for it shouldn’t be a dating metric.
Creepy is subjective. Some people see a man dating an older woman as creepy. Personally, I dont care if you're 24 or 64, if the age difference is greater than a high school gap, that to me is creepy.
A 58 year old woman dating a 65 year old man is just as creepy to me as an 18 year old woman dating a 25 year old man is to you.
25:20 This is so correct. When I was 17-19, I dated/hooked up with a ton of older guys. I'm 25 now, and when I look back at it, I'm just like 'wtf....'. I'm not mad at myself, but I just can't believe that so many people in their late 20s to late 30s would be comfortable with being with a literal teenager because I certainly would never.
I think I just started putting myself in there shoes once I got a few years older.
You should be mad at yourself sleeping around at that age is disgusting💀😭
@@finnabus633 Are we still getting freaked out by women having bodily autonomy and exploring their sexuality in 2024? Ngl this shit has to stop
Exactly this. People are giving Tana so much unwarranted hate for a totally normal human thing to do. She’s 26 years old and thinking about how horrible it is that anyone her age would sleep with teenagers and she’s just grossed out and talking about it.
The fact that anyone would take up for Cody Ko is so gross and just perpetuating problems our society has
@@finnabus633incel behavior
@@kay.gochii the way hookup culture has been normalized in this generation is absolutely disgusting especially for the younger ages. Encouraging sleeping around with strangers is degenerate behavior. This doesnt apply for just women btw it applies to everyone. Have some self respect for yourself
No one’s talking about it because they know deep down they have probably done similar things. This sounds cynical, but having been a female my entire life and having been a high school girl that tried to act way older than I was, I can tell you this was a regular occurrence in my life. I remember going to a taking back Sunday concert (I know. I’m that old) at 16 with braces, and a few of the members asked if we wanted to party with them after. They all proceeded to try and hook up with my friends and I and they admitted to us they were 27 after we told them our age. I have countless stories like this. Don’t even get me started on my sorority years. The amount of roofies I was given or watched other girls stumble around after clearly being given some, is horrifying. I remember sitting back one night watching these frat guys and how they operate. They would huddle up and pinpoint the drunkest girl, then surround her, then one would drag her upstairs. This would continue until all the girls had left or were upstairs in their rooms. Sickening. Sadly though, this is so many other women’s experiences. Like these stories are by no means taboo. It’s the fact that men feel so comfortable being shitty when they think no one is watching. Well we are now. I truly believe a lot of men out there can’t judge Cody because they know deep down they have or would have done the same.
Thank you! I thought I seriously was the only one who thought this. There's an entire p*rn culture around "teens". This means a LOT of people like it, regardless.
I'm so sorry you went through that ❤
@@driley5004 yes the teen porn section is a section for men who would rather be watching minors but legally can’t do this is their next best option. It’s so gross
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This is so crazy to me that this is coming up again. A year or so after Tana and Cody originally collabed, it was rumored that Tana and Cody had slept together at that point of the video. Then you never heard of it again, completely forgotten, swept under the rug.
I can’t believe now that it’s blown to this proportion. I wish it would’ve gained traction when it happened/when the rumor was originally going around
I’m sobbing laughing at the celebration to D’Angelo mentioning yall hahahaha the fireworks 👌👌❤️
That was funny 😂
What ppl don't understand about the age of consent being 16 in some places is that it does NOT mean you can legally have sex with a 16 y/o no matter your age. For example, in Indiana, the age of consent is 16. In Indiana this means that a 16 y/o can legally have sex, but only if 4 years or less older than them. There are even states where the Romeo and Juliet law that allows the 4 year age difference does not exist and the age of consent is 16, meaning that a 16 y/o can have sex, but only with people 2 years or less older than them. This context is so vital! These Twitter creeps think that they can solicit sex with a 16 y/o as someone in their 30s if they just go to a different state. No matter where you are in the US, if you are 21 or over, you can not legally have sex with a 16 y/o! And Cody was 25. 9 years older than her, instead of 4. A massive difference.
Looove D’Angelo, the way he words his videos is just soooo satisfying and he covers such important topics
I honestly wouldn’t assume Kelsey is fully innocent either… what’s the chance she knew about LITERALLY NONE of this? Also, she had a say in who the best man was, too, and picking him is a reallyyyy bad look. I wouldn’t be surprised if she didn’t care about any of these allegations.
Yes she SEEMS like such a sweet person, but ya know who else did too? Cody….
Agreed
yeah no way a guy can hide his true self from her especially with his graper friend too. way too many red flags.
also saw a vid where she pressures a 16yo girl to vape when she was 23yo.
so yeah the focus belongs to the perps but she's not above scrutiny.
yeah she definitely is messed up but i’m not gonna hate train on her when we need to focus on the man of the matter, Cody
@@allisoncastle let focus on the man who did the crime here
People are normalizing talking to minors, that's how this stuff like 17 is like 18 and then 16 is like 17 and so on, people shouldn't be normalizing this because this is how bad things start
i can’t believe people are blaming tana. objectively disgusting
No one should be blaming anyone. Two people had sex. It happens every minute of the day. One of those people happened to be 17 years and 10 months old and the other 25. They both woke up the next morning, got dressed, and life went on...🤷♀️
i feel bad for d’angelo. the moment he brought up people not talking of it i thought of charlie. then immediately charlie jumps on it giving a bs excuse as to why he hadn’t and everyone cheered
Why do you feel bad for him? He’s making plenty of money off it and has tons of views.
@wavetoerica I'm confused as well, and all the ppl who liked your comment idgi
Why would you feel bad for specifically D'angelo in this moment...?
@@shannonceleste5557 Prolly coz some people gave Penguinz0 all the credit to bring awareness to this situation than D'angelo
The imallexx thing dropping was such a stroke of good luck for Cody lol. I’m glad it’s getting brought back up.
allegedly one of the subreddit mods is cameo co-founder who also was in the same frat... cody was the first influencer to do cameos when the site started out because his frat bro asked him to help out there are interviews from 2019 where the guy tells the story
the amount of ppl in hasan chat today trying to blame tana time and time again AS A PROGRESSIVE CHAT really really shocked me bc how would this ever be her fault???
to try to blame her because shes rich and was underage at a club is MADNESS like this doesn’t happen all the time in the media world
this is so sad and terrible to watch
i don’t care for tana much but that should NEVER matter in this situation
I saw that too, this is why I don’t trust communities that label themselves ‘progressive’ . They all have their limits and believing women is a popular one.
Bold of you to assume Hasan is a good person with a good following.
His chat is usually filled with lots of toxic people - even he calls out some of the worst comments because they are unhinged
There's no one to blame. Two people had sex as people normally do. Life goes on
@@TomikaKelly no! He had it with a child!
“Finally 25” by Tana Mongeau
Omg this made me think of the Demi lovato song too
If 17 is practically 18 then 17 is also practically 16
And 26 is practically 30 at that point
17 years & 10 months IS practically 18.
I was NO DIFFERENT at 18 years 0 months than I was at 17 years 10 months, which was the age that Tana chose to hook up with Cody, and I'm 100% certain the same is true for Tana.
Agree with Dan. It's fair to talk about tanas scandals in the past. It gives context as to why people dismissed her claims/allegations.
To ignore it and not mention it wouldn't make sense.
I feel so bad for Kelsey. Imagine being her and finding all these details out (if she didn’t know already). The rumors of him proposing a week after Tana’s video, him asking her is she’s good after the wave started, and now, letting hate comments flood her comment section months after having a baby. So she is probably not feeling the best emotionally.
I wonder if she won't let him restrict her comments.
Sorry but she definitely knew
Don’t feel bad, 99% she knew. At least some of it.
she had to know.
@@rhettleek 100%
My dog was named Cody and he behaved better
I love this comment 😂😂😂
I got into an argument on Cody’s reddit about tana. The person was legitimately trying to say that bc she did coke with adults in hotel rooms at a young age, the Cody thing isn’t a big deal. I told them that just bc a child is being taken advantage of or abused by other adults doesn’t make it okay! Thats literally how predators think. They target kids who are already neglected or abused.
Also, it was extremely triggering for me bc that type of talk is precisely the reason it took me a decade to tell another person about my experience. I was also 17, also irresponsible, I was drunk and high with adults…still does not make it right or okay. My situation isn’t exactly the same as hers but as a 17 yr old girl I 100% thought nobody would believe me or I would have to answer to why I was there in the first place (like it was my fault) it wasn’t even until I told my husband one night that I realized how bad it actually was. And I was around 25 at that time.
I honestly have let myself believe that society is getting better and this whole thing reminded me that those parts of society never go away, they just go quiet at times…they’re always there. I genuinely thought this was becoming a world where girls like me would feel safe talking about their experiences but apparently only if those girls are perfect and have never made mistakes. It’s really upsetting and a great reminder that we as women can never stop fighting, if not for us then at least for the younger generations.
I'm confused. At 17, I knew what the drinking age was, I knew cigarettes were bad, and I knew that drugs were illegal. It didn't matter who did what around me or who said what; I knew what I knew and I took responsibility for myself and my actions.
You lived 17 years on this planet and didn't know not to be drunk at 17? 🤔
as a current 28yo there’s no way or reason to excuse this behavior. he was old enough to be her TEACHER. i’ve followed and watched cody since vine. he knew what he was doing & likely justified it to himself at the time bc of how much more “mature” tana presented herself at the time. she also made videos online & was a public social figure. SHE WAS STILL 17. when EYE was 25, i was already looking at 18-21yos as worlds apart & neutral people. no sexual interest at all bc they seem SO much younger.
If someone is not old enough to vote, they are not old enough to consent to anything. There’s a reason why 17 year olds can’t drink or vote or sign contracts, they are not an adult yet. And if a 25 year old has no problem with “seeing” a 17 year old it’s a real issue. I’m 21 and I can’t even fathom the idea of seeing a 17 year old as anything but a child. That is a kid, and Codyco is disgusting for not caring about that. Also the people defending him by saying that Tana, at 17, was an adult would definitely turn around and say that a 20+ year old college student who r-worded someone is “just a kid”.
"If someone is not old enough to vote they are no old enough to consent to anything."
*But a 17 year old can consent to getting a driver's license and operating a 2 ton weapon (car) on a freeway at 70 miles per hour? 🤔
*But a 17 year old can consent to joining the labor force? 🤔
*But a 17 year old can consent to having a whole entire baby? 🤔
Look as someone who is from a country where our age of consent is 15.
We put this there simply because teenagers in similar ages can continue dating and exploring their sexualities.
If a couple ends up with larger age gaps it falls on the parents to monitor if its a healthy relationship because they' need to prioritise Their child.
Its not because we approve of children and adults hooking up!
Even as teenagers if we hear about large age gaps we get taken aback and investigate it from our peers perspective.
"Are you okay? Have you talked to your parents? Do you need us to do something?"
We hear them out, and listen. There are situations that are more clear and some that aren't.
Some are clearly are not because they are being used and manipulated.
And some are just buddig relationship or courtship that arent sexual yet and need to be monitored by parents.
he covered it up so well, I watch his videos daily, like literally, every day, and i had no idea until now😭💔💔 what the hell man
Honestly I first heard about THE ALLEGATIONS from H3H3 Podcast!
I heard from Tea Spill over a month ago
I heard it from Kayla says
I'm from Germany, so I'm not that deep into American RUclips and their creators but I know the basic history and people. I started watching Cody Ko in 2022 maybe? and at first I was like "damn he's such a nice, humble and good human, he treats his wife as he should (from what I've seen in the videos) and he's just a good guy" . Then I remember watching a random video from his 2 Channels where he started talking about a past event where he did standup or smth in a hotel with another RUclipsr blablabla. The point of the story was that he drank really expensive alcohol and thought it was for free just because he performed hours before in the hotel... But not in the bar or smth in the hotel where they're drinking - it was separate he explained. And he got really mad about the fact, that he had to pay for the alcohol in the end... instead of getting it for free. Because he's Cody ko. He said, yeah they must have known me and they never said a price... But common...How entitled do you have to be to get paid THOUSANDS (that's what he said) for one evening and then rly think everyone knows him and everything is free for him just because of a job there... This really gave me the ick. Since this Video and his honest entitlement I always thought he must have a big ass ego. Just really suits this situation now.
omg i remember that. like the money they got from the stand up was completely blown on that bottle of alcohol
I just found it the video
@@mshi468 yeeees right, that's the story
@@roxassora2706 random? XD that's funny
@@emyyyy00 I found the video of Emma.
I’m a therapist who works with a lot of adolescents and transition age young adults. If you legitimately cannot understand how different the maturity level is between 17 and 25, I’m concerned. She was a child who’d been extensively traumatized and idolized him. He took advantage of her. Period. That’s not even about the law it’s about him being gross at an age he really should have had the awareness to know better.
I wasn't the same person at 25 that I was at 17, but I was immature at both 17 AND 25.
Maturity levels are unique to an individual....
I wish frenemies was still together for this story omfg
I haven’t seen many people mention this, but the ages are 17 and 25. And those can be the ages of a high school senior and their teacher. I had a student teacher who was 22 when I was 17. So it makes me think, how would people feel about it then; if Tana was a student and Cody was her teacher. Would the conversation be the same? Would people still say “oh it was Tana what did she say/do/wear?”.
To me I think it’s very telling how many people claim that because Tana was a “party girl” it wasn’t that bad. But to me it can feel worse in this case. Why is a 25 year old hanging around younger “party girls”. I know many kids start their partying era around 17/18 especially in Canada. But idk it feels very gross to me to have a grown adult encourage a teenager to begin their party era of life at such a vulnerable age.
Anyways just my 2 cents on this.
Great point!
Tana also mentioned how she had grown up watching cody and loved his videos and was a huge fan. there was a similar student/teacher seniority dynamic since he was an older successful person in the same field of work
The party in question was 18+. Cody was supposed to be there, Tana wasn't (and she KNEW she wasnt). The age of consent is 18+. Both of them knew they weren't supposed to be sleeping together, yet they both chose to have sex.
They both fucked up.
@@TomikaKelly sorry darling not how that works. The child should not be held responsible for the actions of the adults around them. Who let Tana into the party? Who saw the both of them leave? Who was the adult in the situation?
@Angryoyster *Tana let herself into the party, the same way she let herself into many other parties and drug infused situations she'd been in up until that point.
*They saw each other leave.
*Cody Ko was 25, and Tana was 17 when they both mutually decided to leave an 18+ party and have sex with each other, allegedly. Minors have sex literally every single day. Hell, minors even go to planned parenthood or the doctor for birth control and contraceptives (as they should because having a baby young is no joke.)
*"The child should not be held responsible for the actions of the adults around them."
I'm holding Tana responsible for HER actions, NOT Cody's, but let's explore this: Do you know how many teenagers are in prison for life right now for things they did in the company of 18+ year olds? Apparently, minors CAN be held accountable for their own actions.
*It sounds like you're just going to have to stay mad....🤷♀️
I might be the weird one, but a law shouldn't be telling YOU how to be a decent human being. We all have been 17, we remember the mental state we were in at the time, the vulnerability and naivety that we had. If you, as a 25 year old would never hang out as friends with 17 year old teens, why would you be getting in the pants of a teenage girl??? Common sense and basic decency is not something the legal system should reinforce by applying a punishment, those are values that you should have in the first place. Sorry for the rant...
I remember being 17 but I don't remember partying all night at 18+ clubs/parties. I remember studying for AP exams, practicing my college app essays, and an occasional hang out at the mall.
Weird thing Kelsey did, back when she was a Teacher, she gave Emma chamberlain (who was 16 at the time) her first vape (on video). Which is really sad knowing Emma struggled with a vape addiction.
How does a 16 year old even have a vape addiction in the first place? Did Emma NOT know she shouldn't have been vaping? 🤔
(Obviously no adult nor teacher should be giving a student a vase, but even if a teacher handed me a cigarette at 16, I'd have no use for it because I didn't smoke nor was I about to just because someone handed me a cigarette.)
I want Cody to rap in his apology video.
I’ve seen a lot of people wondering why Tana is bringing this up NOW of all times. If I recall correctly, Tana is 25 or 26 now, and I imagine hitting the age that Cody was then has made her reflect more on just how young she was then and how messed up it was, even if she thought she was mature enough for it to not be a problem at the time. Similar to Demi’s “17-29” song.
My ex was 32 saying he was fine with dating an 18 year old girl. Idc that it’s legal there’s so many things wrong with that.
As a 23 year old i feel like even flirting with someone under 20 is wrong. At this age you mature so quickly you’re different each year. 17 is taking advantage of someone.. I was a huge fan of Cody Ko and this has me fucked up.
My general rule is if I can’t drink with you, we are not interacting at all. Even then, I stick to around my age for even friends😂
HOW MANY MINORS HAS CODY ASSAULTED WHO ARENT FAMOUS????⚠️⚠️⚠️
0
@@stanisawwojcik6847 how do you know that? Exactly, you don't.
@@natnat_o3 noone else have spoken up about this so at this moment its 0
@@stanisawwojcik6847 EXACTLY that’s the point people are too afraid to speak up BUT behaviour is a PATTERN so let’s see
Probably lots who don’t have platforms or accounts to speak out
Shout out to rachel oates who was fighting to get heard on this topic, dangelo used her video as a reference
Yeah for a little while the only people I saw talking about it were her and Adam McIntyre
At 16, I had multiple guys at 19-24 telling me I was mature and finding ways to put me in situations that weren’t legal. I also had a ton of other childhood trauma and literally forget these events and worse because so much has happened, when you break it down though it’s an awful feeling, so like Tana I usually minimize the impact to move forward or avoid it. I can’t believe there are so many that don’t understand this concept when the human experience is suffering and so many have trauma, ridiculous and apathetic.
To be fair, Tana was doing biz scams as an adult, within the last few years. That's a valid criticism as to why people do not like her.
literally, she was doing crypto scams and trying to say it was awareness for breast cancer
Im curious why no one is speaking about JC Caylen tho? He would have been 22 at the time. And she said she hooked up with him and cody ko. I guess I just find it interesting that he's being ignored just cuz he's not as popular as Cody.
Its possible that she might have been 18 when she slept with JC Caylen, the first time she talked about it she said she slept with them when she was around "17 or 18" I believe, unless im misrembering. Cody is the only one who she clarified later on she slept with when she was 17. A 23 year old sleeping with a 18 year old is definitely wierd / pretty creepy (at least in my opinion because im 23 and wouldnt ever consider fucking someone who just finished HS), but it isnt as bad as 25 and 17, and also isnt a crime.
@@FirstnameLastname-zq8oy I totally agree, however I think people should be asking for clarification because the way she coupled them up in the same sentence seemed as if they were not far apart. It's 1000% worth questioning and Im still shocked everyone is just fully ignoring it.
There’s a tik tok video showing an old emma chamberlain video where she is with Cody and Kelsey and they make her vape when she was 16. And they’re all hanging out like they’re not in their twenties so idk about Kelsey being all innocent….
They didn't make her vape. She used vapes long before she went on their podcast.
What's funny is that Alex Silverstein looks like a big shot with his verified badge, but as we all know, that's just $8 per month and he's actually a nobody. 😆
How embarrassing having to pay monthly to merely be viewed as someone important 😂😅
His wife isn’t in the fault…like duh. Buuuut, I find it hard to believe she didn’t know anything about it before marrying and having a baby with him.
His lawyers are definitely involved. And most probably advising him not to say anything at this moment
This is really good coverage... but Ethan missed Charlie's point... he's saying that the people SAYING that... are wrong...
I never have really liked Tana, but "believe victims" isn't something I say just for the hell of it. I'm glad the situation didn't seem to hurt her in the past, but that doesn't mean Cody can just be off the hook. Even if she was 18, she would be 7 years younger, an impressionable fan. It was his job to be responsible and he wasn't. I'm so disappointed in him.
Lmao that standing O when DeAngelo calls out H3 is SO GOOD proud of u
The lack of punctuation in the notes app paywalled apology was also insulting.
I may dislike Tana and many people do, but it doesn't matter when it comes to something like this which is also backed up by others, she was 17 and he was in his mid-20's, no excuse
I do not support Cody's crime but Ethan saying "I don't hold TanaCon against her because it was a long time ago" is a poor defense and just the wrong thing to say.
Tanacon has literally nothing to do with this and she was a minor, it just shows how immature she was and proves that her brain was not fully developed. She was the victim of a crime, don’t down play it.
So he doesn't hold TanaCon against Tana where she literally endangered thousands of peoples lives, but he DOES hold sex against Cody for sleeping with someone who was 60 days shy of turning 18 ? 🤔🙄
@@TomikaKelly during tana con she was literally a minor and failing at hosting an event is not a crime, Cody committed a CRIME.
The “17 is almost 18” argument is a slippery slope. Say society agrees and we lower the age of consent to 17… well then it becomes “16 is almost 17”. So forth and so on. Hard boundaries are incredibly important in law.
Besides, as a 23 year old, even the thought of sleeping with someone under 21 makes my skin crawl.
how can you say shit like this with a straight face when american states can't even agree on one age, let alone all other countries in the world?
@@stvk99because different countries have different laws???? by your logic just because something is a law somewhere it should count for something in other places. so because it’s illegal for women to drive in Saudi Arabia, that matters everywhere else and women driving should be questioned in other countries too?
I completely agree with Ethan about Charlie being a fence sitter. Like he’s fine but the reason he has such wide appeal is because he stands for little. Like all those qualifying statements about Tana were so unnecessary
38:40 she was a grown adult scamming her audience and saying it was donations for “breast cancer”, Tana’s not a good person but she deserves to be listened
Feel like yall are hard on Charlie either for no reason or just to be contrarians. Charlie can say anything and you’ll have a problem with it. Like how Charlie gave context that Tana isn’t liked online you gave him shit for it but Dangelo literally opened up with the same exact thing.
Public outcry of Sketch being gay was louder than these stories...
I like Cody. But it's very selfish of him to hide this. Come out with honesty for Tana and people like her or VICTIMS LIKE HER will keep being ignored.
Hiding and simply not responding are two different things. If someone is being accused of a crime, hoe do you know what his lawyers are advising him to do to say whether his actions are selfish or selfless?
I love when D'Angelo said tana hasn't even put your name in a video title. Meanwhile, Cody's name is in D'Angelo's title lolol
are you slow he said that because ppl were accusing her of doing it for clout. obviously he wants attention on the story and it to blow up so why wouldn't he use the name of the focus of the video
@@troycamboare YOU slow?? I said I love that he did that, meaning I LIKED IT. when did I ever say it was a bad thing? Reading is fucking fundamental, bro.
@@troycamboif you're going to give this attitude to someone maybe try to humble yourself in the future because you didn't read this comment right and now you look stupid
as someone who has been through a similar thing to Tana as 17, you do look back at it differently when you're older. It may not have upset me at the time but it upsets me now that I let that happen to me. Not to throw a pity party but I can totally see why she would talk about it now
allegedly Kelsey and Kody had Emma chamberlain when she was also very much underage on their podcast and was shown handing her a juul vape. This all seems shady af!!
But if this came out a year a go surely kelsey was aware and still decided to marry and have a baby with him
And have Colby at the wedding
She’s gotta know some of it. She’s decided to turn a blind eye though
I feeel like he’s not gonna say anything so he doesn’t incriminate himself
Not the standing ovation 😂🎉
That made me actually laugh out loud. 😂
Zack always gets me screaming with the sound bite 🤣