Torque converter install on the Coleman CT200U minibike / top speed
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- Опубликовано: 14 сен 2021
- Torque converter install on the Coleman CT200U minibike / top speed
Installed a Torque converter on the Coleman CT200U minibike 196cc. Did some speed test to see which was faster the torque converter or jackshaft.
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Hey somebody who actually knows the difference between quick and fast. Good informative video.
Thanks!
Quick is time , fast is speed.
@@bradcarpenter2396yuhhh
Awesome video! Always looking forward to seeing whats next to your mini bikes or other motor vids! Keep it up!
Thanks! I’ll try and keep it going . I have more projects coming
Your stable of rides is looking very nice bud!!! Great vid as always! Thank you!
Thanks ! I have more projects coming
Finally someone who explains stuff in his videos and shows how to install
Thanks! Check out the CT200U- and CT200U-EX playlist for more combos ruclips.net/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/видео.html
@@Black66 hey I wanted to ask, is there a way you can make a step by step video on how to remove the governor for the CT200U 196cc engine or send me a link if you have already. I want to remove mine but I can’t find a good video and I just started watching you and your walkthroughs are amazing
@@Slickk.ksrivera Thanks! In the CT200U-EX playlist I show a external governor removal. I think its the second video in. Not in a lot of detail. Also in the Tillotson/Predator 212 playlist I show removing the internal /external linkage governor out of a Tillotson . Pretty much the same process. There are a few other times in other playlist. Here is the link to the CT200U list ruclips.net/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/видео.html
I love the music especially when I m working on my bike too
Every time you say “Alrigh!” I actually feel like I’m watching progression grow. Alrigh!
Awesome stuff brother thanks for sharing
I will love to see it done on a APC mini Harley chopper, heard it's crazy fast..lite frame just some modifications lol I did one but not torque converter..Great video as always 💪 💯🇺🇲
Thanks, Ya me too. I bet it would be fast
That scale on the speedo, lol
Great work, thank you for the vids
Ya, the scale was off by four hundred thousand miles per hour!...give or take LOL
Thanks for the info 👍
The guy you bought the riser plate from had a pretty good deal on a combo of the riser plate, shorty header pipe, and screw in muffler for $79.99. Not bad for an extra $20.
That’s a good deal !
What was the riser plate the link in the video is dead
So where did you get the sprocket? Can't find it and it doesn't appear to be in the description.
Awesome video ❤ you make it look easy lol 😂, I just got my torque converter on tonight & I made some mistakes but I figured it out with the help of your video , my only question is how do you torque it down to the specs cause it keeps moving as I try I read that you should torque it down to 25-30 ft-lbs ? Or does it even matter
my coleman has bad vibration in handle bars any tips to fix?
What do the different tooth sizes do and what tooth sizes fit on a predator 212?
i dont see the rising mount where did u buy i click is page gun
In my opinion this is the best way to gain speed
Hey, I’ve seen a few of your videos now and I have an mb200 with a few small mods. Do you live here in Kingman AZ?
Was your chain square I got same kick and chain is off keeps popping chain
Hey so I just got my ct200u all stock and I wanted to add the torque converter and the riser mounts and that’s all what where the bolt and washer you used to copy and if this would work without the sprocket or anything else
Hey, you should test the difference between knockoff flatside carb (pwk) vs the genuine mikuni flatside
I'll have to do that.
So I used this video as a reference for modifying my own ct200u with a series 30 tav. I ordered everything that was listed on the description for this video. Firstly, the 5/8 to 3/4 shaft adapter may work for some people but it certainly didn’t work for me. I assume it’s just shoddy manufacturing. Some work, some don’t. Luckily I had a spare predator 212 laying around so I just swapped the engine over to make the tav work. Secondly, the tav itself is good but very very finicky. It required a lot of adjustments to make it work well. The driven pulley for instance is way too close to the chain out of the box. I ended up adding a washer to space the pulley away from the chain a few millimeters. MAKE SURE to do this because your chain WILL get caught on the pulley and instantly ruin your day. For those of you that have watched further in this series, you’ll see him changing out the rear sprocket to a 40t. I did the same and I’m not sure how to feel about it yet. The speed is definitely nice but the moment you hit a slight incline, you can feel the tav trying it’s best to grip but mine ended up smoking after a 15 minute ride. It heated up the tav unit so much that the brass washer that the belt rides on expanded and got stuck on the shaft. If I didn’t catch it soon enough, I feel like I would’ve destroyed the belt. I’m going to try using some graphite lube around the washer and see if the reduction in friction will resolve the problem.
All in all, great video, good mod but be prepared to put in a few hours of work to get it perfect. I’ve taken my bike out for a few rides and I still have a lot of adjusting to do. Hope this was helpful to anyone else who’s looking to try this out themselves!
hey I'm just wondering how much top speed did you pick up with the 40 tooth sprocket? and did you loose a lot of low end torque to where it's easier to switch to a straight chain? also we haven't been running the brass bushing for a little over a yr without any problems since we shredded a belt because the brass bushing snapped
@@nathanialhulsey6900 I can’t say how much speed the 40t added because I never tested the tav with the original sprocket. I’m guessing it would be around 8 or 9mph. I’m certain there’s a equation out there for figuring out speed. As for torque, I probably lost a little compared to the stock jackshaft but not a whole lot. You only really notice it on hills. I definitely wouldn’t do a straight chain because that will absolutely kill your torque and take forever to get up to speed even on a flat surface. Bushing hasn’t snapped for me yet but I’ll definitely keep that in mind!
@@raveenrichie5734 After I watched this video I was wondering what he would get with the stock 50 tooth or even the 60 tooth. I would bet that he would get higher than 43 with a 60 tooth. With the 40 tooth his engine never made it to 3000 RPM. The engine never even got to its better power potential to drive the load at a higher RPM. With a stage 1 kit there's more power available at 4000 RPM than there is at 3000 RPM.
@@Deucealive75 I know this is an older video, but with my own experience I actually lost top speed with the 40 tooth and torque converter. 60 tooth rear is actually too torquey for me, very sensitive and takes off extremely fast. The stock 50 tooth rear is perfect for the torque converter in my opinion. I have personally hit 55mph with the 50 tooth rear sprocket and 30 series torque converter. I have seen people get over 60 mph though with upgraded engines.
@@WhiskersTheFish If you are getting 55 with a near stock engine and the 50 tooth you are much faster than the norm. For years just about everyone was getting 35 to low 40's with a torque converter and stock gearing with mainly stock engines.
Years ago while waiting on parts I installed a 100% stock 196 with a torque converter and stock gearing. Performance was laughably pathetic and couldn't have gotten to more than 35 mph. I guess if I held it for another 30 seconds it may have got to 37. haha.
I have two of these bikes with torque converters. One with 8/50 sprockets and the other with 9/60. With a mild built 196 and 9/60 sprockets there is better acceleration and top speed than with 8/50 gearing. It would be an under 4K RPM bike with stock gearing and less overall performance. I get 4500 RPM belt shifts at full throttle with my current gearing with yellow driven springs on both bikes. Wouldn't get anywhere near that with stock gearing and a red spring.
I plan to have one of these bikes soon and have a 212 cc predator ghost which is 3/4 so not needing the adaptor will be actually nice
Check out the Ghost playlist for many videos with the Ghost ruclips.net/video/ONJbFaEecQM/видео.html
I went looking for a 16mm wrench once for my turbo. Couldn't find it forever. I shoulda just done the math 😄
Lol ! I figured a 5/8 clutch would fit . Why do they always have to change stuff ?
hey, do you think that motor mount plate could be used to mount a 196 w/TAV into a mega moto 80/105 frame?
I'm thinking of getting one of these frames and want the cleanest way to mount a bigger motor while hopefully keeping the fuel tank mounted onto the motor instead of moving it to the frame
Possibly . As long as there is room under the frame rails after adding the riser mount . On a Predator with the mount it stands about 14 inches tall . If there is more than 14 inches in that frame , it should fit .
@@Black66 thanks for the info
Black66 We Need Some More Mini Bikes😁😁
Yes! I have some more coming
Hello Black66, love your channel. I just installed a torque converter on my coleman ct200u-ex with a ghost engine. The thing won't roll now, wants to turn the engine over when pushing it around. I used washers and a longer bolt for the install. Belt is aligned and tapered side is out. Any suggestions, did I just tighten the bolt too much?
Invest in the 146.9 gram aluminum weights from omb warehouse with the stock stall spring you’ll get more speed in top end
Where did you get the bolt that fit the crank shaft and what size is it
What is the bolt to the clutch
Im wondering, could you have used the old plate with the drive and driven pulleys of the torque converter?
The pulleys are too close together and too close the the engine. I already tried it😂
Got a question will it make a difference if I connect the clutch straight to the rear sprocket and remove the other clutch sprocket assembly on my rt200
Check out the playlist on the Coleman bikes. I have a few straight-chain videos on the list. ruclips.net/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/видео.html
No chain guard mount brace was cut. Nice
Idk how I ended up here but I’m glad I did. I don’t even have a bike.
So did you use a 5/8 to 3/4 shaft adaptor? I have heard that doesn't work very well with the 16mm shaft. Did you alter the adaptor, or did you find a 16mm to 3/4 adaptor? I sent a message to the guy on ebay who makes adaptors and he told me the 5/8 to 3/4 would not work but he could custom make one for me that would work. Thanks for the video.
They have an adapter that works with the 16mm shaft. I used them on the CT200U-EX and the CT200U 196cc. The link is in the description of the video
hi, I also fitted the same kit, when I walk 2 km I touch the belt and it overheats why?? yours is the same i.e. does it overheat??? or is it normal??
Will this fit on the rt 200 Coleman? Thx
Hey black im loving your channel. Quick question, would u recommend billet flywheel or torque convertor once all the stage 1 stuff is done? For a ct200uex. Thanx so much!
Thanks! I would recommend a torque converter for the heavier bikes with the 19 inch tall tires.
What size bolt did you get for the jackshaft?
Did you find it?
Will this fit on my predator 212?
Hello... Where did you buy the bolt and washer for the converter
I picked it up from ACE hardware. You can get one pretty much anywhere that has a decent bolt bin. M6 bolt
I wish you’d do a video on how you make chains without a masker link, I can never get the pin to go back in lol I need the know the secret
What was the screw bolt size you picked up for the torque converter? I’m in the middle of the same project and can’t find the size for it
If you are talking the output shaft bolt and you have the 16MM shaft its M6-1.0 x 55MM
@@Black66 where did you get it from
Yes
Is the gov off
people are so quick to cut that chain guard bar off when installing a tc, glad you didn't. im not gonna cut mine off either
Ya for sure. No need too
Doni need the mm adapter and engine riser thingy for a predator 212 on a coleman ct200u?? Please help idk what im doing
You can do it without the riser but you have to do some cutting. The riser makes things easier .
@@Black66 wdym cutting?
How did the shaft adapter fit did you end up using the key that came with it. I'm not sure how that works because a flat 3/16 keyway came with my 1 inch adapter to my 3/4 inch crankshaft.
Check out the CT200 playlist. I have a few videos on there showing the adapter install ruclips.net/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/видео.html
Can you swap the engine out a 212cc stage one bypass gov and a torqueconverter
Yes! More videos coming
Did you use the bolt that held the clutch on for the converter or did you buy one? If so what size do I need to buy for my 196 cc
Take your original to the Hardware Store. Length? Just match it to the one that comes with the TC.
How’s the 5/8 (16mm) to 3/4 crank shaft adapter holding up?
No problems. So far so good
Can I do this without a engine rise kit? I don’t really have the money to buy the riser kit, but I have a grinder and some discs to cut off the chain mount is that a good option?
You could also just use some 1 inch square tubing and drill holes to match the block. You will have to move the mounts to the side a bit as well to make sure the chain lines up right.
can you put one of these on a 105cc bike?
Quick question, I just put a torque converter on my Coleman ct200u and I have been doing some top speed tests and I have only ever gotten up to 24mph I am testing it out in my field so I wonder if it makes a difference in speed if you drive it on a road versus pasture?
He’s using a aftermarket engine bro , he’s using predator 212 engine maybe more stuff to it but tha the most obvious, stock motor vs predator 212 big difference
@@jisify1708 The engine in the video is a 196. And there's not a big difference between a 196 and 212.
Alright guys, I’m here for the haul I decided to get into this with a Coleman ct200u so I’m gonna be around here for a while
Do you remember which header pipe you used on this bike? Do you have a link? Thanks for all the videos!
Yes, links for the parts are in the description of the videos. Thanks for watching!
So it will go faster with belt?
I don’t understand u said it did 44 even with the jack shaft but I have the jack shaft and this thing tops out at 26
You have the governor installed
@@Black66 I know is it bad for it to remove it!
Do you feel that the tc gave it more torque than the clutch. Just thinking a good mix between off-road where you want more torque vs on road.
OH ya, it has more torque with the TC than the clutch. I think the TC would help it off-road. The TC brought back the torque it had when it was running the bigger rear sprocket.
@@Black66 awesome, now get a cover for it so you don’t rip open your leg
Hey we saw this video and did the same thing. Runs strong but it’s eating belts.. let’s say.. 1 per month. Stock with bolt one. Any way we can have the belts last at least 6months?
Align the pulleys. Check out this video ruclips.net/video/AR2vISEaTcc/видео.html
where did u get the bolt at? for the middle part where u said it was for the predator
did you find our
How long was that shaft bolt u used and wat size was the gold washer u put on
did you find out
I know right? We all thought,you were the only person who knew that??😮 the one who is saying this😊
nice im gonna try a 36 tooth on my ducar thanks for this idea i wonder if i hit 43 mph
One way to find out !
@@Black66 git rrr dun right lol too bad its not a 35chain smh it was from my motorbike had 6 holes fit the hub but the teeth are too big mabey ill just get that split adapter jazz like everybody else is doing cept im paointing mine a sick purple lol
Did you use the keyway the sleeve came with? It doesn’t look like.
It depends on what driver you use. Check out this video . ruclips.net/video/YPpR91lpkVA/видео.html
Hi Black If you had a choice would always choose a predator over the 196, 212, hemi, 301. What would you do? Please let me know.. 😁👍🏻
I like the Predator 224 because of the reinforced Block and the 58MM stoke for only $40 than a standard Predator.
What size bolt is needed for shaft using the stock 196 motor ?
M6 x1.0
@@Black66 M6-1.0x????
If I wanted to bring my go-kart and my mini bike to you so you can fix it and put motors on and will the brakes back together and the suspension and where would I drop it off to you it's got a jackshaft on it
nice video man, what kind of rear sprocket is that, that you are using?
I believe a 40tooth
Is a torque converter what I need for some pep at take off? I'm a newby to the minibike world and have a ct200u that only takes off on level/downhill hard pan. (worthless in grass or uphill)
Check out the CT200U-EX and the CT200U playlist. I have many part and engine combo videos with this bike. ruclips.net/video/jHf9yJmaZLA/видео.html
I like your channel and video's, but it didn't really answer my question.@@Black66
@@jeffasmi11 Check out the 60 tooth rear sprocket videos on the playlist. With the right cam and internals the bike can be fast and quick from the start.
what size washer did you use?
did you find out
at 5:34 where did you get the 196cc crankshaft bolt? that's the only thing I need
same lmk if you got it
What’s the size on the driver pulley bolt? I ordered same kit for ct200. Thanks
did u get it
What app is that?
If you really want to improve on speed, find an 11 tooth c sprocket for the jackshaft that fits the 420 chain like I did and you can hit 50mph. I have a 7.27.1 ratio. 10 on clutch,20 on jackshaft input and 11 tooth output to 40 rear.
That will work . We got the Coleman bikes over 60 MPH with a straight chain. Check out this video and the CT200U-EX playlist for many combos with this bike. Thanks for watching! ruclips.net/video/Up6TpJiopEo/видео.html
@@Black66 I just installed the torque converter tonight, so it basically matches what you have. but I threw the 11 tooth back on the jackshaft. I'll test it tomorrow to see the top speed
@@R1CEBWL What top speed did you get with the 11/40? How did you like it?
bro please tell me where you got the bolt i need that and it’s the only thing i’m missing for my build😢
Same
What was the bolt ? If u ever found it out
Hi do you have a link for were you got your 42 tooth sprocket I can't find any
Yes, I usually put the links for the parts in the description of the videos.
@@Black66 oh alrt thanks bro I subbed
@@Blake_srt4 Thanks!!
@@Blake_srt4 Sometimes I miss some links or the links go bad but the same part might be in other videos on the channel.
Another great video! Hey, where did you get that "unicorn" of a MOUNTING PLATE? I was soooo NOT wanting to cut the frame of my CT200U-EX. Even tho it's only a glorified chain guard mount. Think it adds some structural stability, laterally. Besides its an ugly scar. Seriously tho, I really like this "offset" design. Allowingthe install of my TAV2-30 . Thanks again, the brosman
Nevermind, I found it. bay $52.95 called:Torque Converter Riser Plate With Hardware Coleman Ct200u Bt200x Mb200 TAVPLATE
would this fit a 224cc predator?
Yes, it is for a 3/4 shaft engine.Check out the 224 playlist. Thanks for watching.
I think the torque converter would be more effective pulling it up hills or dragging a dead animal like the old Tote Goat.
Hey i ordered the same driveshaft adapter as you and it doesn’t slide on like yours does. i would have to hammer it on and i’m scared of it getting stuck. also did you use the key that came with the adapter?
i really hope you reply to this comment with some tips. i noticed you haven’t really replied to many comments the last year or so, hope you’re still active!
@@jaysgarage7what did you do? Trying to figure out the same issue
His slid on no problem in the video. Joking aside a lot of guys have had problems with this. In one video a guy smacked the fixed sheave on with a hammer. Bashed it all up.
Those are 5/8 to 3/4. The Hisun crankshaft is 16mm which is larger than 5/8. When you put it on it expands a touch making it difficult to slide on the fixed sheave.
I would never use one. When I built my Hisun196 it got a 3/4 crankshaft during the build.
The new predator 212cc will not fit with a riser plate, I just found this out....
Does the new one have a bigger tank or something?
@@Black66 yeah it looks bigger than the older predators, I swapped it for the original hisan tank, now all is good
Can you help me make my camo coleman 200 ex faster im still waiting on my shipment tho
Yes, check out my videos on that bike. I have quite a few on the channel
@@Black66 i have a staged 2 kit wit carb what other mods do u prefer i add with it
@@bigpoppachino3437 If you have a Mikuni carb that helps it out even more.
So what do you prefer? Racing clutch or torque converter??
I like a clutch on the small bikes and the torque converter on the bigger bikes. Check out the Coleman playlist for many combos with these bikes. ruclips.net/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/видео.html
Can it climb hills with that little sprocket?
Yes, pretty decent with the torque converter. Check out the CT200U-EX playlist for many different combos with this bike. ruclips.net/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/видео.html
Anyone else see the speedo on the gopro gps 😂 it was showing up to 1 million mph 😂😂
Hey.. where'd you get that riser plate mister??
The link for the riser plate is in the description . Thanks for watching the videos.
@@Black66 thanks alot
Been thinking about putting one on my 236 tillotson
It would be a beast with that Tilly!
@@Black66 I wanna do it but my builder Keeps telling me I’m gonna lose top end. I’m straight chained right now with the Hilliard inferno clutch.
@@7MilePaul Ya, compared to a straight-chain it might lose a little but man, with that 236 its gonna have some awesome torque
@@Black66 is it gonna be too much? Will I be running thru belts? I’m on my 3rd clutch in one season. First, two I wasn’t oiling them correctly. I didn’t know.
@@7MilePaul I think if you align the pullies it should be alright. It won't eat belts as fast. Maybe get a good converter that is rated to handle a good amount of power. I have never tried one of the cheaper ones with a 236. I'm not sure how it would hold up,
Hey how much did the original vehicle cost
I got it for a few hundred from a guy on Craigslist. I think new they are in the $600 range give or take.
Hey man, where did you get the tourq converter
I’m guessing go power sports or omb warehouse. Those are the two big mini bike/go kart shops
@@Troygehring yeah man I just ordered the jugernot torque converter
@@mylandbristow6854 sick man your gonna love it
In the description of the video which of those things do we need to buy for this? And will this still work with original sprockets? Thanks!
If you have a completely stock bike you would get everything in the description. Yes you can use the original back 50 tooth sprocket.
Did you remove the governor ?
Yes. Check out the CT200U-EX and CT200U playlist for many combos on this bike. Thanks for watching! ruclips.net/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/видео.html
Did you take the governor off?
Check out the CT200U-EX and the CT200 U playlist for full governor removal videos ruclips.net/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/видео.html
Thanks for getting back to me so quick I appreciate that this is a great video a question can't you put the gas tank up on top of the frame where like a motorcycle tank goes? It just seems like it's blocking cooling air to the head fins that are already on the wrong side of the engine
Check out this video. I did just that. ruclips.net/video/j7U_0GgGLng/видео.html
@@Black66 thx I'm on it
Back to a larger Sprocket.
Change that rear sprocket for top end bud
Check out the CT200U-EX playlist for many engine combinations and gear ratios with this bike. ruclips.net/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/видео.html
If you have the governor bypassed give it a bit more road and it should do 45-48 mph maybe 51
Check out the CC200U playlist ruclips.net/video/ZFLSbnoH59g/видео.html
No TC Cover? Yikes.
I put one on my and my mini bike goes slower
Check out the CT200U-EX playlist for many combos for this bike. Thanks for watching! ruclips.net/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/видео.html