What if the ACC suffered the same fate as the Pac-12?
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
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The ongoing drama between Florida State-Clemson lawsuit against the ACC does not look like it will end anytime soon. Multiple articles about a possible large migration of programs in conference realignment for the Big 12 and Big Ten could play out. Some seem plausible at this point in time, and we never know how these scenarios play out. This is one take on a possible ACC implosion much like what happened to the Pac-12 and where programs could end up in a Pac-12 implosion of the ACC. Do you believe the end is coming for the ACC like the Pac-12, or is their demise premature like the Big 12?
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As a Pitt fan I would love to see them in the Big 10 just to piss off Penn St fans and renew that game.. But I like the big 12 move and playing WVU instead. I would take WF over Cuse just for location. Nobody wants to go to upstate NY.
Yeah not happening unless the P2 goes to 48 schools per conference.
WVU Fan here, agree completely
A&M not happy with Texas joining the SEC is a red herring. Perhaps the younger fans are upset, but the older fans are looking forward to playing Texas again, the last game of the season, as it was for nearly 100 years. And guess who has the money? Not the younger fans.
As outlined for ACC implosion to happen the B10, SEC and B12 will need to go to 20 or more teams. The ACC may be reduced to 8 or 9 teams but will remain together and add 3 or 4 from the Group of 5.
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Great work!
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I will make it no worries
SEC does not make more money than the Big Ten.... the Big Ten actually owns their TV network unlike the SEC😂😂😂😂
Just read an article from USA Today that the Big Ten made more than the SEC, but this was not always the case between these two conferences. Would this continue with the Big Ten adding four schools this year compared to the SEC's two?
To bad that money can't buy the big 10 being better than the sec
After watching the whole video, I have opinions (like everyone else on the internet):
1) I'm not sure if Virginia Tech goes to the SEC. I mean, sure, the money makes sense, but I don't think that makes sense culturally. Same thing with NC State, but I could be wrong with that observation, feel free to correct me on this one.
2) Everyone loves throwing around the "G5" moniker like it's some sort of plague. I'll use Cincinnati as an example. Had they had the facilities at the time, Cincinnati gets pulled into the ACC in 2014. I've said this on several videos on this platform, but back in the 2000s and 2010s, facilities mattered and UC missed out because they didn't make the investment and Louisville did. And since then, they're one of only two teams in the current Big 12 Conference who's made it into the 4-team CFP. And to quote The Athletic, they made it into the playoff using the system "designed to exclude them". There's clearly teams that are not artificially propped up by money that are capable of competing and there are teams that are currently artifically propped up by money that CAN'T compete. Y'all can shove that elitist crap somewhere else. That being said...
3) Looking at Chad's Big 12 Map, let's go with what he said during the video and the Big 12 makes it to 19 teams and we have a decision to make. I'm sure not taking Wake Forest, they haven't done ANYTHING for me lately in athletics outside of a 2018 NCAA Men's Tennis Championship and a 2023 Women's Golf Championship, neither of which move the monetary needle. I might give them credit for a 3rd Place CWS finish in 2023. Maybe. I'm also throwing out Boston College (that shouldn't need an explanation). Syracuse has the exact same problem as Wake Forest, thought not as bad. Take out Lacrosse from the 2000s, and they have a 2003 NCAA Men's Basketball Championship (that was two decades ago and haven't been the same since, but it's something), a Men's Soccer Championship in 2022 (doesn't move the needle), and in 2015 they have Men's XC and Women's Field Hockey (also don't move the needle). They've been basically irrelevant in football since moving to the ACC and their basketball program is a shell of its former self and can't even win their conference. At least they made the Final Four in the past decade.
All of that being said, I like Memphis as a "promotion" pick. Sure, is The American a better conference overall than the ACC? Of course not. But at least in the past decade, Memphis has two conference championships in football, one in basketball. They have no national titles outside of an Individual Men's Golf Championship in the 50s. Memphis has been plagued by infrastructure issues and the refusal to make investments where it matters. But just like other teams that have moved from The American to the Big 12, they're making the investments in facilities. They have a better media market than Syracuse, NY and Winston Salem, NC (Piedmont Triangle). They would have support form FedEx. I'm more willing to make the chance on a team that has shown that they are now capable and just need the monetary resources to phave greater success than teams that have had resources for over a decade and have done nothing with it. Push out the folks that suck. Plus it fills in the gap in the middle of the map for travel.
That ends my rant. I'm sure plenty of people will disagree with me, and hopefully I didn't state anything incorrect (I double-checked my work, but I'm human so I could have missed something). Chad I'd love to hear your thoughts.
@@NintendoFan5 thank you for the response. You could be right about the Hokies and NCSU not fitting into SEC. I do know that UNC, UVA, Duke will be targets for them and Big Ten and I had my discussion about how I swayed those so I won't dive into here. I get the Wake & Cuse debate. Neither have moved the needle too much in football or basketball. Sure have had some solid seasons here and there, and the only reason I went with the Orange is their ties with Pitt, WV, and Miami. I like the idea of Memphis moving in. I do believe them, Tulane, South Florida, UConn, and Temple might be the next targets along with Boise State and San Diego State that could get looked at, but that determines how the alignment cookie crumbles.
Ok St, K St, and one other scchool could go to the SEC. But the P3 would be pk with this Red Raider.
I know you don't normally talk about the FCS conferences in conference realignment but what schools do you see the MEAC (HBCU) adding I think 🤔 they need to add schools to stay afloat if they means adopting a couple SIAC or CIAA HBCUs from D2 than so be it
I think it's critical that the.Meac grab a CiAA (D2 HBCU) from North Carolina they have an abundance of HBCUs in the Tar heel State and maybe Central State in Ohio
I got into that a while back. I can't remember when I'm old. I believe I mentioned Albany St., Savannah St., Virginia St., and Virginia Union as all possible candidates. I know that Savannah St. was once in the MEAC before dropping back down so they may not be inclined to repeat that feat once again. So maybe look into Morehouse, Benedict, Tuskegee, Fort Valley State.
@@chadssportstalk7171 I think the MEAC footprint should be the Carolinas to the northeast part of the USA just spit balling all D2 members HBCUs Central State (Ohio) West Virginia State Virginia State and Fayetteville State now I have know idea about the financial component about all this movement
Ks is AAU too
Yes, the Jayhawks are. I only some of Big 12's AAU alumn, especially in the MST and PST zones. Plus I don't think KU would leave KSU behind, but I could be mistaken.
@@chadssportstalk7171 KU would ditch K-State in a heartbeat if they had the chance.
The Big Ten would have to buy Nebraska out.... not kick them out.
Actually they could get voted out, but since they are Nebraska that would not happen. They did kick out Michigan for failing to follow the rules, but let them back in a few years later. It does not really happen in today's landscape.
With West Coast teams now playing regularly teams 3000 miles away, I've lost interest in college football. Trying to be a Saturday version of the NFL. Sold its soul.
You should do a project regarding realignment the BiG 3 SEC. BiG 10 and Big 12 going to 24 members meanwhile the group of 5 going to 16 members
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G5 leagues
Sun Belt adds UT- Chattanooga (first choice) or Austin peay (backup plan) and Eastern Kentucky
C-USA adds Stephen F Austin, Central Arkansas, Western Carolina and Southeast Missouri State
American adds Villanova 🏈 only Richmond or maybe some else
MAC adds Southern Illinois (1A) or Illinois State (1B) Albany ND State 🦬 and SD State
Mountain West Hawaii (full member) getting to 12 then Sacramento State , Idaho, Montana Montana State getting to 16 members
Now with Southeast Missouri State their stadium needs to be upgraded at FBS level but they can play in St. Louis an hour away from campus @ Busch stadium or The Dome of America center and they would have the rivalry with Missouri State 🐻 on arrival to C-USA
Interesting take and I might dive into this one, but I think many CUSA members will find new homes in this scenario as well. I would put NMSU, UTEP, Montana, Montana St., & Utah Valley in MWC. But I don't want to get too much in the weeds with this right now.
Can't the Mountain West add Hawaii as a full time member
@@damascuslutin3956 Hawaii left full-time status to reduce travel costs for their other sports and joined the Big West. Now they have to travel to one state. It was a cost-cutting measure for the university and something they would stick to unless the MWC got a seriously upgraded payout.
There's no feasible path to a "Big 3".
No Memphis in the Big 12 ever. We don't need any more G5 affiliates.
Notre Dame 🍀 in the BiG 10 would have several rivalries almost weekly in all sports Northwestern Purdue Indiana Michigan Michigan State etc just make to much sense
UNC in the BiG 10 does nothing outside of high profile 🏀 matchups with almost everybody in BiG 10 Michigan State Indiana etc but in the SEC on day 1 in the conference you would already have a taylor made rival in South Carolina 🐔 and could develop a 🏀 rival with Kentucky Tennessee etc bringing Duke as a package deal would be even better
@@damascuslutin3956 I agree the Irish belongs in the BiG 10, but adding UNC does brings something to the table. An entire new market along with Duke and UVA would sit on top of the conference in basketball. Yes for football not much but mid cards, but you need solid mid cards as well as the heavy hitters.
@@chadssportstalk7171 why can't the NCAA implement a stipulation where if Notre Dame 🍀 isn't apart of a conference they can't compete in any playoff or tournament system
@@damascuslutin3956 NCAA does not control the CFP ESPN does and Notre Dame is a nationally recognized program no matter how bad they perform. I'm not saying this is right,but it is the current state of the college football landscape
@@chadssportstalk7171Duke, UNC and UVA aren’t going to the Big ten. The obvious geographical choice would be the SEC. The AAU argument is irrelevant. Athletic conferences doesn’t not have any measured outcomes of AAU graduate research candidacy.
@@ronelite582 yes geographically SEC is more suited for NC and VA, but to overlook the AAU aspect of this scenario is a mistake IMO. It is a requirement to join the BIg Ten to be a member of AAU. The Big Ten takes academics seriously and athletics, location, and branding second. This will limit which schools could get an invite if the ACC implodes (only Stan, Cal, UNC, Duke, UVA, GT, Miami, Pitt, & ND). Could they entice other AAU members from SEC or Big 12, sure. The hypertheticial was just about the ACC, and we all know that anything can happen in realignment.
You sound like the forklift guy and kinda look like him to
BiG 12 adding Georgia Tech 🐝 and Memphis 🐯 gets them into SEC backyard Georgia Tech 🐝 can play a home 🏈 game @ Mercedes Benz stadium and 🏀@ State farm arena now Memphis 🐯 is planning to upgrade the Liberty Bowl stadium and Memphis men's 🏀 team plays @ FedEx Forum arena shared with NBA Memphis Grizzlies
Now just play along with me for minute say Big adds NC State getting into Raleigh,NC and them and Georgia Tech 🐝 did a home and home neutral site 🏈 series
Georgia Tech 🐝@ NC State 🐺 @ Bank of America stadium Charlotte, NC year 1
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Nc State 🐺@ Georgia Tech 🐝 @ Mercedes Benz stadium Atlanta, GA year 2
No to Memphis. Ever.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 what don't you understand Memphis 🐯 has AutoZone and Fed Ex in its backyard either one of them could be a sponsor for big 12 conference