Dawn of Ragnarok Story News PT 3 - A Civilization Before the Isu? (Assassin's Creed Valhalla DLC)
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- Was there a Civilization before the Isu? Will we see Minerva and Jupiter in Dawn of Ragnarok? What are Loki's plans and will the new Assassin's Creed Valhalla DLC show Ragnarok / The Toba Catastrophe? We're going to try and find an answer to all of that and more in this video!
In fact today we are going to discuss our third and final batch of story news and speculations about the Dawn of Ragnarok expansion (at least for now), and this time it’s going to be even more focused on the Isu story rather than the mythological side of things.
In the video we are going to have a deeper look at Odin’s personal story, having a look at his relationship with Baldr and Frigg and what that burning Yggdrasil could mean, before moving on to hypothesize what role might Loki play within the DLC, whether we might see him causing Baldr’s death, and whether we can see a mythological version of the Toba Catastrophe at the end of the expansion.
We are also going to discuss a few pretty huge story related elements that appeared in the recent Deep Dive Trailer, including a throne connected to the Isu Jupiter, the potential appearance of Minerva, and a reference to an ancient version of the Isu, or a civilization that might have predated them.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
01:29 Odin’s Personal Story
02:21 The Burning Yggdrasil and its Meaning
03:56 Odin's Relationship with Baldr
05:34 Loki's Plan and Baldr's Death
07:34 Will the End Lead to the Ragnarok / Toba Catastrophe Scene?
08:28 Jupiter's Throne
10:02 Minerva's Potential Presence
10:39 The Isu Stelae
11:21 Ancient Precursors or a Civilization Before the Isu?
13:11 Outro
SOURCES
Isu Era page on the Assassin’s Creed Wiki: assassinscreed.fandom.com/wik...
Mikhail Lozhanov Interview: www.vg247.com/assassins-creed...
Brokk and Eitri illustration via Berloga Workshop: berloga-workshop.com/blog/154...
Odin's last words to Baldr (1908) by W. G. Collingwood [Public Domain]: commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...
Jupiter’s Picture via the Assassin’s Creed Wiki: assassinscreed.fandom.com/wik...
Assassin’s Creed II ending by Salt Repository: • Assassins Creed 2 Ending
Assassin’s Creed III Remastered - Ending by theRadBrad: • ASSASSIN'S CREED 3 REM...
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I enjoy the fact that these things are "translated" through the understandings of Eivor, and it allows them to tell a story about the ISU without being beholden to previous visual depictions or establishing visual cues, customs and behaviors that may need to get retconned later.
I find it to be an intriguing concept.
Ha, it is indeed an intriguing concept, and it works much better than how mythology was handled in Odyssey.
The drawback is, this concept still contains a lot of grey areas as to how to interpret the events and characters, and what actually happened in the Isu Era. Sure, some events are quite clear, but many others, many quests and events still bear the question as to whether they were just part of Eivor's understanding of the myths (with no canon relevance) or they actually had a counterpart in the Isu metastory.
We'll see how successful this is going to be in the coming months (and maybe years?)
- Markuz
All very good points, but that’s part of the fun of it-not knowing EXACTLY what happened. Totally agree that the mythology stuff, and by extension, the Isu stuff in this game is handled WAY better than in Odyssey. I guess that’s what happens when you get Darby McDevitt to write an AC story….it’s absolutely brilliant.
Because unlike odyssey eivor's pipe dreams are actually incredibly accurate than aletheia's simulations but again those simulations were created to manipulate both kass and layla
One of my fav aspects of AC is the Isu. I enjoy exploring their temples, reading their scriptures, and meeting them. There were a lot of AC titles that barely touched on the Isu lore though. Ancient mythology is also incredibly interesting and fun to study, so I do enjoy the way AC is leaning into doing more fantasy.
I also understand the yearning people have for a more simplistic AC. Going back to basics with Assassins v. Templars. There are so many different aspects of AC and everyone has a different part that they enjoy most. Some people play because of the history/alt history, others like me like the mythology/Isu, or they like the setting, stealth and parkour, and a lot of new fans because of the RPG elements.
My point is, there are many different fan favorite features to AC, and I think that is what has made it so popular and iconic at this point, but it's hard to make everyone happy. I like old AC and new AC. I can play it and enjoy it even if it's not hitting my favorite points, but I know there are people playing where it is.
That's a very good comment honestly. The community can get divided over opinions, old vs new, traditional vs innovative, action adventure vs RPG etc.. Sometimes it's very healthy to just stop and enjoy what we like and let others enjoy what they like without all the fuss that these discussions sometimes can create
- Markuz
You have the wisdom of the All-Father himself, friend. I think more people need to think like you.
I do that too sometimes... but I usually fact check it with real life mythological info in order to maintain accuracy for myself in real life... and filter out the few creative liberties taken by Ubisoft. Unlike Bayek and every protagonist before him... Kassandra and Eivor are the perfect insert characters. They are virtual nobodies with no personality or real personal goals.... so you can literarily insert yourself into their shoes and play as "yourself" technically.
Eivor and Kassandra have no real personal story other than to serve other being's sagas.... like Sigurd, Basim, King Aelfred and Odin's agendas.... while Kassandra serves Pythagoras and Angrboda's agendas.
@@Ozzie_Mandias No offense, but that's just a depressingly wrong way to view these stories. If you don't think that Eivor or the Eagle Bearer have any of their own personal motives or goals, or anything else that makes them unique characters in the franchise, I think you need replay both the games, or just look at their Wiki pages where it tells you the stuff they value. There is WAY more to each of them than you think, especially Eivor because of the way the RPG mechanics work in Valhalla.
@@assassinscreedislife3455
For Kassandra... even her brother Deimos, her mother had more personality and so did Pythagoras and Angrboda. Only in the first Hidden Ones DLC do we see Kassandra show just how far she will go to protect her family. In the Atlantis DLC... the only people that stood out were Hecate, Hermes, Charon, Juno and Aita. Hades was just a mad guy who likes war, Persephone is a histrionic control freak, Poseidon is too neurotic.
The latest expansion of Odyssey actually gives more to Barnabas as well as some more to Kassandra's fears. But Barnabas really stood out here. Bayek has good motives... his wife Amunet was basically a mirror image of whoever's personality she was around.... whether it was Bayek or Julius Caesar or Cleopatra.
Jacob Frye was hotheaded who did not care about the repercussions of his methods while Evie is a bookish and OCD like methodical approaches lack the ability to adapt properly to changes.
Jacob becomes more cautious and reserved... Evie becomes more adaptable and even gets a significant personality boost in the Jack the Ripper DLC... where she stands her ground against her own homicidal impulses as well as Jack's gaslighting, terrorizing and manipulating her into becoming more like him.
Arno and Elise also go through a great journey... sadly with only Arno ending up learning to let go of the past. Many other characters before also go through such significant changes and it is a great deal of quality storytelling.
I hope the franchisee focuses more and more on ancient astronaut theory.
I gotta love the Altair/Ezio nod they did with the trailer cinematic.
Odin getting shot with an arrow into his right shoulder, same spot when we stormed Masyaf Castle
Hehe, yep, that was a direct reference. After all the company that did the Revelations Cinematic Trailer (Digic Pictures) is the same that did the Dawn of Ragnarok one, hence why they made such a direct connection
- Markuz
Finally, the question I waited for.
You know us Rohit, we aim to please!
- Markuz
@@AccessAnimus that you guys always succeed in :)
It could simply be older isu. My point being isu were around for quite a while and they had incredibly long lifespans.
Yep, we also added that in the video, the Isu Civilization lasted around 2400 years at least, so it could be both ways ^^
- Markuz
@@AccessAnimus yeah I believe so as well it could be older isu or a previous species but if it is the latter it could be potentially be millions of years old given that even the isu for all they're expertise and capabilities didn't know they're origins. The human civilization is over 75000 years old I believe the isu may have been much more due to the scale difference between the two species
Yes,that could be right.from valhalla, we know yaldaboth,samael,saklas as the former capitoline triad.
@@AccessAnimus After that we have no information on the real origins of the Isus and how this civilisation evolved, so the mystery remains.. Ancient astronaut theory, isn't it Serenika ? :p
They also had the necessary tech to be virtually invulnerable, regenerate like deadpool and live forever. They also seem to be physically overpowering and very strong as said by Poseidon. It always puzzled me how such powerful beings can be killed off by rebellious humans.... but now it makes sense.
Only the nation of Eden faced human rebellion problems.... the others Isu leaders with human slave soldiers who were all at war with each other. When catastrophe came... people just said "f*ck it" and decided to wage one last World War.
So excited for Loki to show up!!! Carlo Rota is a legendary actor
I am SO down for this. The more Isu stuff we can get in AC the better as far as I'm concerned.
#accesstheanimus
I believe that in addition to Jupiter and
Minerva will also be introduced to Loki and Angrboða, and the giant wolf Fenrir will certainly make a return.
Regarding,
a civilization before the Isu or even their creators;
Could such a thing really coexist?
Why not? We can make them mystical beings... like Cthulhu or the Demiurge. In Gnostic lore, the Demiurge is one of the Gods created by the Monad (omnipotent deathless entity)... and the Demiurge created Archons (beings of light).... in Gnostic lore. So yea... we could have the Demiurge create the Isu.... I'm being hypothetical.
@@Ozzie_Mandias It could also fit .......,
your theory is interesting;
but I would like to think that the Isu are the only race prior to humans!
And then we talk about who created the Isu and not the entire universe
I've loved AC since 2 back in 2009. Yes, this current trilogy has polarised fans and definitely, I have had mixed feelings. Still, there are things I love in these new games. I can at least say I have a lot of fun with them. When I realised that the mythological memories in Valhalla's main game were actually Isu memories it kind of blew my mind. That being said, I love actually seeing the real events and places so I definitely want more of that in the future and not always disguising it behind real-world mythology. That's why I loved the Fate of Atlantis episode 3: Judgment of Atlantis the most as it really did feel like exploring an Isu city. I'm definitely a little mixed when it comes to this expansion as, while I love Norse mythology, this DLC definitely feels so little like the AC I have grown up with. I always knew I would play this DLC (at some point) and that it would be fun, but it was just hard to be excited about a story that would be so unlike the AC I knew.
Will this DLC wrap up Eivor's story? Will we finally see if she joins the Hidden Ones? Why and when she ended up in Vinland before she died? Maybe not. I hope those questions are answered in some form before this game is over. I remember finishing the main story and going... wait, that can't be it? I need closure. Seeing the first two expansions failing to answer those questions worried me but when they announced more content was arriving, and that this game is getting the most post-launch support, I want to believe they will eventually tie it all up nicely. I really hope. :')
Regardless, your coverage of this expansion has shown me a lot more to be excited about. :)
Same, honestly. I enjoyed the mythological representation of the Isu in the main game, but on the long run it feels a bit too much, especially if it's plunging too much into the mythology side. I also would like to see more real events and places from the Isu times rather than a mythological veil placed over them. But that's only my opinion of course.
I don't think we'll see the Hidden Ones, while Eivor's story *could* be wrapped, the Deep Dive trailer for the DLC kind of mentions that Eivor too has to face her destiny, so that might indeed happen, although I don't see it being the focus of the DLC anyway.
To calm down your worries though, Darby McDevitt just recently hinted at (didn't confirm) Eivor's final moments in Vinland being something that the team is working on or might address soon: www.axios.com/assassins-creed-darby-mcdevitt-d4d9f105-a028-4781-8878-92295f8dc208.html
Thanks for the final message, we're doing our best
@@AccessAnimus Ooh I was going to read that article but it slipped through the cracks so thanks for bringing that to my attention! I am not going into this DLC anticipating solid answers so I don't get (slightly) burned. There's also free content like the Tombs of the Fallen so even if an expansion doesn't answer those lingering questions, I wouldn't be surprised if they just randomly dropped a free content update wrappings things up one day. Though I hope that isn't how it goes for the future of the series. ':D One thing I will definitely enjoy is after its released watching your analysis videos. Keen for that content to come! :)
I'm definitely playing it cause I do like mythology but I'm not ready to decode it all but I guess it's a nice way to not have the franchise go stale and we've always known mythology in the games came from misinterpretations of the Isu
Yeah it's definitely not what you'd expect normally from AC, but it supposedly does have some elements that should resonate with the hardcore fans.
And for non-hardcore-story fans the DLC has a lot of content, many gameplay changes, a big world, a supposed stealth system that works etc.
- Markuz
@@AccessAnimus I'm just hoping to see more of Eivor and from the new building that's coming to the settlement above the Francia one I'm assuming she'll have to wake up at times to track something.
So now the Isu, who created humans and Neanderthals, were themselves created by another more powerful species?
Who knows really ^^
There are 2400 years worth of Isu history before even knowing where they came from 😛
- Markuz
Maybe they weren't created but just evolved from others.
damn.me. i thought they were aliens who took refuge on earth and created humans as slaves.
@@capnpeace5988 me too during AC Brotherhood when shawn said a spaceship might come out.
@@capnpeace5988 that would be the Anunnaki who they modeled the ISU after
I am excited and enjoy this side of the franchise
Ah yes, the civilization that predates the First Civilization, the First FIRST Civilization!
The Ones Who Came Before The Ones Who Came Before - TOWCBTOWCB 😂
- Markuz
There is always a bigger fish
The Firster Civilization
A think if they want to go that way they should go with an Aliens civilization this will make the thing more interesting and less cringe than the FIRST FIRST civilization like the ISU were so special but we learn that their was another great greater civilization on earth this will destroy the myth of the ISU and atleast we have answer about ancient astronaut or somes ufo shit
@@users10116 It would make sense to go the Ancient Astronaut theory if Isu are themselves the creation of an even more advanced species. I just hope they don’t mess it up.
This is very interesting and of course looking at it from a larger view is a lot to take in but it does show an interest to me...
I'm going to hold off on getting this DLC for now...I had thought while playing the story we could have more time with Eivor as well...
Time will tell I guess..
There *are* going to be some sequences featuring Eivor, but it's going to be a minor part compared to the majority of the mythological content
- Markuz
2 things
First, they should have used each title update to add more side quest so we don't get bored waiting for things like "the tombs of the fallen" and "the mastery challenges" and second I hope afterwards we get some hidden ones content otherwise this whole second year was basically me playing a mythological vikings game with assassin's creed mechanics 😅
It honestly would be interesting to see that there was a group of people who existed even before the isu did
That'd be a pretty interesting mystery for sure :D
- Markuz
I think I tagged ye on twitter but you can now see where the next tombs of the fallen will be in the map across from the settlement.
Hey hey! Sorry for not getting back to you :(
I briefly saw the tweet you sent us and the pics, but didn't answer yet as I wanted to double check with how the map was prior to the update and also haven't gone in-game in front of the Tombs of the Fallen map yet after the update
Will try and check everything and get back to you ASAP! And thanks for the heads up, we hadn't realized yet!
- Markuz
@@AccessAnimus it's ok I was just so surprised when I saw it. You can see the greenish glow underneath where they would be and two sphere shapes that may fall out.
@@craftingranger7552 these are not new they were there since tombs of the fallen release
@@ibsarp they're in the tomb and Show the ones in Suthsexe and Hamtunscire
@@craftingranger7552 yeah i know i have screenshots for them from December they are not new
If Minerva and Jupiter appear at last, as Gunlodr and Sutungr, I'm ALL in.
Ha, I guess we need all the anchor point that we can get in this DLC, otherwise it's going to just be a difficult to interpret mythological story.
Fingers crossed!
- Markuz
Have you heard anything regarding the progression of Eivor's story?
Nothing more than what was shown in the Deep Dive trailer.
Eivor will have some haunting dreams, potentially about Odin and his story, she goes to Valka who creates some more concoctions for her to drink and plunge into Odin's memories.
There is going to be more stuff happening in Eivor's time according to the news, but it's not super clear what (but we do know that the "magical" abilities gained in Svartalfheim) will be available in Eivor's world but with more grounded visuals and effects.
- Markuz
I don't know how it would work, but what if the fire and ice represents two versions of the same isu, whether it is as small as an emotional difference or as big as another personality. What if Suttungr is Surtr, just at different time periods? It can be kinda hard to tell how much time really passes between the mythological missions as the Isu don't age like we do. This is a stretch I know, but hey, if it helps anyone figure out the truth, then I feel it is worth posting.
It's always worth posting a theory or opinion!
In my opinion such portrayal would be... confusing even for the new players that just played Valhalla imho, but I wouldn't rule the possibility out just yet either. It will really depend on whether we are going to see Suttungr or Gunlodr in Svartalfheim as well.
Soon!
- Markuz
Just wondering; Will you be careful with spoilers in the titles the first week(s) after the DLC drops? I wanna stay subscribed, just gotta know if I have to temporarily unsubscribe to avoid spoilers until I've completed the story myself
Hey! Thanks for asking, that's a very good question ^^
The answer is... we'll do our best! What we have done so far for the DLCs was sharing non-spoiler videos (but some also included early DLC cutscenes) during launch period or some days before that and some spoiler videos in the days after the release.
Usually our titles don't spoil the content (unless it's some days after launch day) but sometimes the thumbnails might do that, especially depending on what each fan might consider to be a spoiler, so you might be keep an eye out for those.
That's more or less what we have done with Wrath of the Druids and Siege of Paris, hope that helped!
- Markuz
@@AccessAnimus Sounds good! I'll take the risk and remain subscribed throughout the launch period
@@FlasKamel Ahhh thank you so much, you're so very kind ❤️
- Markuz
I think we still Will receive another spancion with mulphelheim map before presenciate the Ragnarok, as the early 2021 leaks sujests
I am not at all exited for the DLC because of it's mythological aspect. It's sad that they try to combine a real life mythology with a made up sci-fi element specifically made for this game. Yet they also did this for Odyssey and I did play that DLC too. What i'm saying is I just want some actual AC stuff like it was in the past (let's hope Rift can deliver this...). Anyway, if I didn't like the DLC then I at least supported the amazing people who made this DLC, because that is the least they deserve!
What do you mean by "actual AC stuff"? It's been well established very early on in the series that the Isu were the beings behind the figures and places in human mythology. All that the recent games are doing with these DLC is simply exploring that lore element in a way that fits the historical theme of the respective title.
This literally IS actual AC stuff. The Isu have ALWAYS been AC. I am sincerely convinced none of you paid attention that say this.
Where part 1 and 2
I like it. It’s a unique perspective with the mythical veil. However I would like to see a more realistic “flashback” and gameplay that represent how the Isu really lived. Just my opinion
Heh, lots of fans, hardcore fans especially would like to see that. I'd imagine we'd be pretty lucky if we got a cutscene as it was the case for the Animus Anomalies... but I guess we'll see - as usual 😅
- Markuz
Does Odin's story in Dawn of The Ragnarok take place before or after the events of the main Valhalla story?
Hey Mathieu! Nice to see you here too!
Yeah, Odin's story in Dawn of Ragnarok takes place after the Asgard and Jotunheim arcs of the main game.
As for Eivor's story, it will surely take place after the events that led her to experience the Asgard and Jotunheim arcs, and while it's not confirmed if it's also going to happen after the Viking Age ending of the main game, I'd assume it does, so that Eivor can be pushed to fully accept and finally recognize that she is Odin's descendant
- Markuz
Iv been hearing this the last DLC I really hope it's not.
There haven't been any confirmations though! Many rumors are saying that another DLC planned for Valhalla was turned into a full game starring Basim, so that might leave the second half of this year with less content, but maybe Ubisoft is planning something else?
- Markuz
Did Odin came before the isu
And is desmond a Descended of eivor
Who are the elves and dwarfs out of mythological veil in isu era???
The Dwarfs are supposed to be another group / chaste / population / culture of the Isu Civilization (like the Greco-Roman ones, the Asgardian ones, North African ones etc.)
The Elves... honestly we don't know yet, they might either be another group / chaste or they might represent the Isu from centuries or millennia prior the events involving Odin, Jupiter, Juno, Minerva etc.
- Markuz
I thought the dwarves were the representations of humans, because they are smaller in stature, and Odin keeps them and treats them as basically slaves. 🤷♀️ that's just how I interpreted it
@@cayj1869 then who are the humans supposed to be?
@@nimbusnimbus.IV. The people in Jotenhiem and Asgard? I just thought they were other asgardians/Isu.
@@cayj1869 nah, normal people in asgard and jotun were humans,but aesir, vanir,dwarfs,giants represent different isu groups in isu era.
What was the background song
Hey! Which one or at what specific timing? We have used a number of tracks for this one ^^
- Markuz
@@AccessAnimus at 1:25 to 1:30
@@priestofgames
Is Helreið Oðins / Odin’s Ride To Hel 😉
@@priestofgames Yes! Can confirm it's "Helreið Oðins - Odin’s Ride To Hel", one of the various tracks composed for Assassin's Creed Valhalla ^^
- Markuz
So....The ones who came before the ones who came before?
ahah Sir Noob! Until we discover there were Those Who Came Before Those Who Came Before Those who came before 😅 😂 🤣
-Sary
What's so bad about the elfs ? This is a norse version of the isu story so i think It fits
it doesn't fit, this is not elder Scrolls bro.
@@valtontony826 bullshit It fits Its norse mythology there are much more crazy things that elfs
@@michachwastek5287 this is ac, not marvel
Those Who Came Before Those Who Came Before
And so on until the end of time 😂
-Sary
I kinda checked out the game when it went from Historical Science Fiction to full blown fantasy and being a cheap God of War knock-off
I won’t be playing this DLC. I wasn’t a fan of the story or the other two DLCs, so I can’t see dropping more money for a character I don’t care for. As for the mythology, I don’t understand, if in fact Eivor is a sage for this Isu and now knows it, why it is not set in an Isu civilization.
Hey Norma!
I am not a fan of the other two DLCs either, two big missed opportunities in my opinion!
About mythology, yeah, I agree it would have been cool to see the actual Isu era instead of using Eivor's veil as in the main game but I guess they chose this way because it gave them more freedom gameplay-wise. I mean... for as much the Isu were advanced in technology and all, I'm pretty sure they coudn't transform themselves in a bird ... just an example of many others.
- Sary
The only thing that turned me on about this DLC is Odin’s beard style at the end. I’m not into Assassin’s Creed going full magic and fantasy.
Thats the best reasoning I've ever heard for the new direction of thr franchise lol
"The mythical creatures and shit suck, BUT THE BEARDS THO!!!?!?!?!?!?"
This Channel need translation to portuguese-Brazil! Please
Ha! We'd love to have translations or at least subtitles for our videos :)
It's something we currently cannot do but hopefully in the future!
- Markuz
@@AccessAnimus Thanks, i from Brazil 👍
ᑭяỖｍｏ?? ?
I never really liked the older games as they felt stale. I would rush through them just to get to the Isu stuff because I love how it makes a mockery of religion. But I started to love the games when they changed it up with Origins and now I’m hooked. Isu lore and how they influenced mythology and religion is much more interesting than killing some regular human because he’s part of a cult. I could also care less about parkour and never understood why people get so excited about that. And open worlds. At this point I won’t play any game that isn’t open world. It’s immersion breaking and the old games were super frustrating by blocking you into certain sections. I do understand that Valhalla doesn’t really feel very assassinish and I think they made a mistake there. And the last two DLCs were boring and made no attempt at furthering the story line. I hope this one fixes that.
Hey Frank!
I can get the feeling of being blocked in a game, it happened to me in Final Fantasy XIII in which you couldn't really go anywhere but on the planned road. And I'm just like you, I don't mind too much about gameplay changes/evolutions/involutions or any of that. I do care that the story makes sense, that the previous lore is respected and possibly expanded and that the pillars of the franchise are still there.
And yes, I do hope DoR will be better than the previous DLCs cause they were two very big missed opportunities.
-Sary
they don't mock it, they use those old religions to tell a story. Ubisoft aren't the type of company to mock a religion
Please try adding captions, your accent makes a lot of words unintelligible!