"Clean Eating" and the Wellness Grift

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  • Опубликовано: 22 дек 2024

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  • @Jez-Hunt
    @Jez-Hunt 5 дней назад +92

    People for the vast amount of human history ate nothing but organic, unrefined, clean food, did regular exercise and they died in droves and were ravaged by ill health.

    • @ReturnToSenderz
      @ReturnToSenderz 5 дней назад +16

      Exactly. The reason we can expect the vast majority of our children to survive to adulthood these days isn’t because of a superior diet but because of modern medicine (vaccines, antibiotics, medications and treatments for chronic conditions, a better understanding of how infectious diseases work, etc., etc.). I think having less chemicals involved in food production is a good and beneficial goal, but a slightly more robust immune system won’t prevent most of us from getting polio or smallpox or any of the routine infections that regularly killed children throughout most of history.

    • @Jez-Hunt
      @Jez-Hunt 5 дней назад

      @ReturnToSenderz absolutely! Plus there's less cave lions and vikings, so that's certainly helped too. No matter how much free range kale you eat, it won't stop you from being chopped in half by Olaf The Unspeakably Violent.

    • @SheilaR.08
      @SheilaR.08 5 дней назад +13

      To be fair, diet wasn't their problem. Sanitation, access to clean water, antibiotics, vaccines, and refrigeration moved the needle considerably. It isn't controversial to admit that eating real food in sufficient variety is healthful.

    • @shanegray1846
      @shanegray1846 5 дней назад +3

      Yes until the advent of better healthcare.........

  • @melusine826
    @melusine826 5 дней назад +92

    Disordered eating gateway too!

    • @ParkrosePermaculture
      @ParkrosePermaculture  5 дней назад +14

      It sure is!!

    • @bookworm1956
      @bookworm1956 5 дней назад +18

      Yes! It's called orthorexia (ortho = correct). Correct eating obsession, often complete with panic attacks when faced with having to eat "wrong" or "impure" food for whatever reason.

    • @LulaMae21
      @LulaMae21 5 дней назад +1

      Abbey Sharp posted a short reacting to a little girl whose mom has indoctrinated her into thinking grocery store food is poison. She walked past the leafy greens, pointing to them and chanting things like, "Cancer, poison," etc. Yikes.

    • @flowerpixel
      @flowerpixel 4 дня назад

      Yes I actually think a lotta elimination diets start to go down this path. They can be very helpful for ppl too though. It's tricky

  • @Jinxie-Bravo
    @Jinxie-Bravo 5 дней назад +51

    This goes for the Woo Woo/Affirmation/Manifestation crowd as well. "Maybe you manifested it, maybe it's white privilege."

    • @joettadefrancesco709
      @joettadefrancesco709 4 дня назад +1

      Love this!

    • @susanhelmus8520
      @susanhelmus8520 4 дня назад +4

      Omg! YES! That toxic positivity has to go! And they all stick their heads in the sand and don't stand up for justice or others because it will ruin their MOJO! Ugh!

    • @liseraphina2421
      @liseraphina2421 4 дня назад +1

      @@susanhelmus8520 Agtee! Toxic positivity = 🤮

    • @liseraphina2421
      @liseraphina2421 4 дня назад +2

      How can ANYTHING be truly “organic” anymore with microplastics literally EVERYWHERE? Also, what happens when an “organic” farm is right next to one that uses pesticides etcetera? How do the farmers prevent the rain and wind from washing / blowing the pesticides into the adjacent “organic” farm? No one ever addresses this.

  • @jenniferstone2975
    @jenniferstone2975 5 дней назад +24

    I have a girlfriend who teaches nutrition in an elementary school with low-income children. Many of the children have NEVER eaten fresh fruits and vegetables. Ever. Canned foods are inexpensive and do not spoil as fast as fresh foods. This is the “richest” country in the world for the 1%, not for anyone else.

    • @nancysmith8626
      @nancysmith8626 5 дней назад +5

      A playground for the rich and, increasingly, a wasteland for the rest of us.

    • @JRTFMSmithson
      @JRTFMSmithson 5 дней назад +4

      An 8 or 9 year old neighborhood kid came over when my then wife was preparing a whole chicken for dinner. Poor thing had a complete meltdown when it was explained yes chicken the bird and that’s where chicken the food came from. Not the only person I have heard say things to that effect. People are disconnected in general and especially where their food comes from.

  • @vlk818
    @vlk818 5 дней назад +55

    NGL you just exposed one of my blind spots. I'm going to be thinking about this all day and reevaluating my stance on food and my bias against those who (before now) I was convinced were choosing to eat in an unhealthy way because they were ignorant. Looks like I am the ignorant one. Thank you so much for this illuminating video.

    • @sandralamphier9433
      @sandralamphier9433 5 дней назад +10

      In many localities (especially cities but some rural areas as well) there are food “deserts”. There are no farmer’s markets or even grocery stores. The only place around that sells stuff that passes as “food” are the local convenience stores. To buy actual food requires a vehicle or public transportation (which requires money and limits the amount/weight one person can carry). I’d like to see anyone eat “healthy” from a typical convenience store 🙄🤢.

    • @rainbowconnected
      @rainbowconnected 5 дней назад +13

      It's pretty cool of you to openly admit this. You could've kept it to yourself, but instead you chose to demonstrate it's okay to admit you were wrong about something and reevaluate. I think that example is really needed in the world right now. It certainly gives me hope to see people being open to rethinking things. So thank you!

    • @shanegray1846
      @shanegray1846 5 дней назад +6

      Grace is accepting you can be wrong and a wiliness to adjust your course . Bravo proud to have you as a fellow human good day to you!

    • @LulaMae21
      @LulaMae21 5 дней назад +1

      Rebecca from Dollar Tree Dinners talks a lot about food access for people, whether due to food deserts, transportation, or physical ability. It was eye opening for me.

  • @annasluka6708
    @annasluka6708 5 дней назад +43

    My husband has Fetal Alcohol Syndrom and sufferers serious birth defects. No amount of wild foraged blueberries will grow his fingers back, give him a properly closing eyelid, or regrow his club foot.

  • @timeenoughatlast5910
    @timeenoughatlast5910 5 дней назад +70

    Former "clean eater" here--who nonetheless developed severe rheumatoid arthritis. Because, as you said, it runs in my family. What began the process of unraveling for me was reading this book on "Paleo"--which, I rolled my eyes at because, like, paleo where? Paleo in Europe? Paleo in Africa? Paleo in South America? These are vastly different climates, with vastly different native flora and fauna. But okay. Whatever. Paleo. Then the guy proceeds to write something to the effect that beans are "Third-world proteins." At which point it became very clear to me what he was saying--and what he meant.

    • @TwisterTornado
      @TwisterTornado 5 дней назад

      Everyone on Earth could eat animal products and just eat less of them, if we supplement with plant protein, dairy, eggs, shellfish, insects, etc.
      We don't have to be idealistically vegan, to eat "lower on the food chain" and still having the occasional chicken, or maybe VENISON burger.
      Nothing has to be how it is and our lack of imagination and PALEO/VEGAN EXTREMISM is driving us into madness.
      (OMNIVORISM, FOR THE FUTURE THRIVING SURVIVAL OF THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF EXISTING HUMAN BEINGS!)

    • @shanegray1846
      @shanegray1846 5 дней назад

      I truly suspect the most recent rise in "Paleo" propaganda is a direct backlash to a decline of beef industry sales. We are talking about a lot of money there, beyond conspiracy theory's.

    • @r.h.lincoln9889
      @r.h.lincoln9889 5 дней назад +9

      Totally. I've never understood the demonization of beans by Paleo and some other fad diets when they are one of the healthiest things you can eat!
      And our ancestors generally died before they had time to develop chronic or age related diseases so it's silly to look at them as the pinnacle of health

    • @Pete_xp
      @Pete_xp 5 дней назад +1

      Crazy

    • @TwisterTornado
      @TwisterTornado 5 дней назад +4

      @r.h.lincoln9889 I think I know why! Simple, it's gas! Some people just think that has to be a sign, but we wouldn't just eat raw corn, potato, or wheat, so why worry that this one protein-grain-not-nut needs some soaking, before cooking?
      The fear has to be from poorly prepared beans just like corn was never SUPPOSED TO go right through you. Hominy, masa, or tortillas are the more normal ways to consume corn, also.

  • @MellyBelle
    @MellyBelle 5 дней назад +34

    For those who publicly claim that simply clean eating, exercise, ice baths, whatever negate the need for vaccines or medications, I INSIST you strictly practice what you preach, and don't you dare come at me with your gofundme request when you become ill or injured. FAFO.

  • @angelamatthews8190
    @angelamatthews8190 5 дней назад +23

    Admittedly i do feel better when i eat more nutrient dense food, but also it doesn't matter how "clean" I eat, i'll still likely die without my medication for my genetic condition!

    • @ParkrosePermaculture
      @ParkrosePermaculture  5 дней назад +9

      Oh absolutely. I noticed a lot more the older I get: I don't feel well after eating foods with a lot of fillers in them, or foods with a lot of sugar.

    • @ParkrosePermaculture
      @ParkrosePermaculture  5 дней назад +2

      *notice it a lot more

  • @filmwitchpod
    @filmwitchpod 5 дней назад +16

    Imagine looking at RFK Jr who looks like he’s made of vinyl and thinking “yep, this is the guy I’m going to get my healthcare advice from!”

    • @Jez-Hunt
      @Jez-Hunt 4 дня назад +3

      @@filmwitchpod clearly the guy who had a brain eating worm from eating a dog is absolutely going to be the guide to a good healthy diet.

    • @EMSpdx
      @EMSpdx 4 дня назад

      Omg not vinyl 😅😅😅

  • @ronaldboyker2123
    @ronaldboyker2123 5 дней назад +10

    "I know Americans have trouble thinking logically." 😄 That is so true.

  • @RenayOpish
    @RenayOpish 5 дней назад +18

    I ate clean, still do. I also have metastatic breast cancer. I am sure I am healthier than some others who didn’t have same access, mind set, etc., but I did not bring this on myself in any behavioral, controllable way.
    Being downwind if 9-11, working in berry fields since tha age of 10 (I can remember the fungicide spray wafting over us from the neighboring field), living next to a power plant for 20 years- and about 800 other things.
    Thank you for stating it so clearly! This virtue based health is just a horrible toxic crock.

  • @m0L3ify
    @m0L3ify 5 дней назад +26

    Preach. The constant struggle for dietary purity and perfectionism is cult behavior. It's not emotionally healthy. I have spent 7 years immersed in the "clean eating" Wellness Industrial Complex and hoo boy it is a rabbit hole. The craziest part is that diet is a religion to people, and no one can agree on what the best way to eat is. Some diet gurus co-opt religion - especially Eastern religions - to sell their books. Some pretend to have invented Buddhism and claim they have inspired every scientific study on their diet of choice since the 90's, neither of which are true. The diet wars have been intense for decades. A lot of it is extremely contradictory. And you're 100% right, there are some things diet can help, but a lot of things diet can't. Every diet preys upon things like ableism and fatphobia to recruit followers, all so they can sell books, supplements, and online courses. It's all for clicks and views. Even the most legit science-based ones are still grifty and still lying to their audience about things, especially when it comes to obesity and weight. The tricks they pull make me so angry. Fat people can be healthy. Healthy people can get sick. Skinny people can get diabetes and cancer. Marathon runners and weight lifters can still have heart disease. People with obesity can live to old age. You can eat clean, be the fittest person in the gym, have zero health issues, and get hit by a bus tomorrow. And if you survive, you best pray you have health insurance or you'll be bankrupt for life. The myth that "clean eating" and exercise will fix everything, or that you can judge someone's health status just by looking at them, needs to end. If it were true, doctors would be so much better at diagnosing diseases than they are, and they wouldn't refuse treatment based on internal biases. Can eating a certain way reverse diet-induced diseases? Yes. Does it confer blanket immunity from any and all disease and injury for life? Definitely not.

    • @soniaoliveira8207
      @soniaoliveira8207 5 дней назад

      It's also weaponized against indigenous groups to divorce them from their culture. It's a pillar of g3nocide.

    • @patrickjordan2233
      @patrickjordan2233 5 дней назад +3

      Well said!!

    • @butterflymuse2707
      @butterflymuse2707 5 дней назад +4

      Three snaps for the truth 🫰🫰🫰

    • @m0L3ify
      @m0L3ify 5 дней назад

      Every diet guru loves to say "If they're fat, they're wrong," and then sweep all of their own fat followers under the rug so that they can appear pure while they tell people they are promoting "The One True Diet." Even the science-based ones.

  • @siobhancapell
    @siobhancapell 5 дней назад +20

    Just wondering if RFK jnr got rid of his brain worm with clean eating...🙄

    • @LulaMae21
      @LulaMae21 5 дней назад

      I read somewhere that it was improperly prepared roadkill but have not verified that.

  • @TeklaFrancis
    @TeklaFrancis 5 дней назад +19

    100%. I have a list of issues (Autism, ADHD, hypermobility, a minor heart defect) and they are all genetic. I do healthy things (strength train, eat less sugar, portion control) to help manage my conditions but there is no way 'clean' eating will fix my issues. At best it keeps issues from getting worse.

    • @flowerpixel
      @flowerpixel 5 дней назад +3

      Yes, i have heds and changing my diet helps but I still have heds!!

    • @LulaMae21
      @LulaMae21 5 дней назад

      My sister has EDS, POTS, and MALS, at least two of which are very much genetic. Clean eating didn't stop them.

    • @flowerpixel
      @flowerpixel 4 дня назад

      @LulaMae21 I'm not saying STOP. Manage symptoms with dysautonomia especially. A lot of people in comments are thinking b&w terms vs management

  • @ThomiBMcIntyre
    @ThomiBMcIntyre 5 дней назад +16

    The grift is really infuriating. Raised on organic, always ate well… 10 days after my son was born in 2007 I got a migraine THAT NEVER WENT AWAY. I still freaking have it, and if I hadn’t had insurance I would have surely died by now

  • @andreaskye
    @andreaskye 5 дней назад +9

    As a market gardener in Texas who strives to provide the healthiest food I am able to grow at affordable prices who has a father who tells his own wife, my Mom, who is battling cancer if she had not eaten meat and processed foods in her life, she would not be fighting this terrible battle, I am a person who sees these BS arguments up close each and everyday.
    I am applauding you and if you were here I would stand up to applaud you!!

    • @Callimo
      @Callimo 5 дней назад

      Wait, you dad told your mom what? I hope you tore him a new one.

  • @valkolakk
    @valkolakk 5 дней назад +12

    The conversation really ought ought to end at "Well, RFK says..
    ". Stop right there. He has no expertise that allows him to talk on this subject. Being a wealthy white man doesn't mean you have the authority to speak on anything and I'm sick of our culture being in this space. But ultimately, it's clear that all of the people making sweeping claims about what they personally need to do to avoid completely unavoidable things, like periodically needing medical treatment, is cope. They want to feel like they have more control than they do. They don't. It'll bite them in the ass.

  • @Anne805blue
    @Anne805blue 5 дней назад +5

    A native medicine man I knew long ago said, "it's not what you eat, it's what's eating you." Wise words!

  • @butterflymuse2707
    @butterflymuse2707 5 дней назад +10

    Imagine telling someone they wouldn't have gotten polio if only they'd eaten clean and not because they took away the vaccine and herd immunity disappeared.

  • @MichiZaus
    @MichiZaus 5 дней назад +7

    Thank you yet again for highlighting very important issues. I keep nodding along with you and grateful that you express so well what I think (and also express but not as eloquently as you can). I live in UK. I have trained with Lucy aphramor (Body respect) coming from a dietetics background - always critical of the wellness and diet culture and get fed up with Jamie Oliver s arrogance when it comes to food and food choices. There are so many reasons for why people do what they do. And unfortunately not everything is in our control. We really need to stop with the blame games!!

  • @beckettrowan4149
    @beckettrowan4149 3 дня назад

    Thank you for calling the wellness industry a grift! Brought a tear to my eye. I have spent the last 10 years as an educator, practitioner, and state board member trying to push against the sea of grifters and quacks in Oregon, and it often feels like an exercise in futility. It’s hard to put a dent in their BS promises. They sell hope false to the sick and a virtue signaling hall pass to the worried well ,who simply want to take credit for their good genetics and many layers of privilege.

  • @alstraker
    @alstraker 5 дней назад +9

    The "scraps" and those stocks/broths are more nutrient dense than the choice cuts. Joke's on them!

  • @megfeeley2559
    @megfeeley2559 5 дней назад +14

    If I may extend your argument a bit, occupational health hazards affect folks who have the temerity to have jobs.

  • @skystarlit3713
    @skystarlit3713 5 дней назад +28

    My friends and I have spoken several times on how we would set the system up if we got to start from scratch. I have diverse friends, republicans, democrats, libertarians, even Trumpers (not mega & slowly waking up).
    The only consensus we ever came to was that stuff that was necessary for life ( food, shelter, medicine, etc) and things you didn't have a choice in (mostly school & prison) should not be part of capitalism. Even my severely antisocialist friends agreed that people should not profit off of others pain, suffering or death.
    Our politicians are no longer representative of the people because they've been purchased by the corporations & no one who isn't part of the system can break in because there isn't enough money in the world to give them a platform.
    The Walled Garden is more visable now, and becoming even more fortified.

  • @debbieharmon4709
    @debbieharmon4709 5 дней назад +21

    Eating well can help, but I agree that this is a toxic world, and we often have no way of knowing what is really clean. Also, what about accidents? We need good health care!

    • @KuzAnnd
      @KuzAnnd 5 дней назад +6

      Yeah eating well can only go so far with all the environmental pollutants everywhere. 😭 And accidents as you mentioned AND you might have nasty little surprises hidden in your genes. Also, y'know, getting old?? That person's take was so utterly braindead and privileged, absolutely mind-boggling that someone would say that in public.

  • @serraangel7465
    @serraangel7465 5 дней назад +20

    I have Crohn's disease. I currently can't eat veggies not blended. Ppl keep telling me that going veagan would help, no fiber is bad for me. I have gone to the hospital for a blockage for skin on potatoes, articocks, apple, blueberries and even a strawberry got stuck. The sad thing is I love vegetables but I can't enjoy them or most foods.

    • @rainbowconnected
      @rainbowconnected 5 дней назад +6

      That sounds awful. I'm sorry you're dealing with that. I know they mean well, but it can be irksome when people go around recommending this or that diet to people who are seriously ill. I imagine that must be extra upsetting since they're recommending eating more veggies when that's something you'd like to do, but can't. I hope you find something that helps you feel better and enjoy food again.

    • @Hippidippimahm
      @Hippidippimahm 3 дня назад

      I hope you can have some smoothies and juices at least. Crohn’s is so tough.

  • @shyviolets42
    @shyviolets42 5 дней назад +12

    I have a spinal fusion. I stopped consuming fast food and soda some time ago-because I hate the grift (not really a health and wellness decision). There is still hardware in my low back. 🤷‍♀️. I don’t know how a daily salad would change that. I love a salad, and eat a lot of it. Still have a cage in my back. (I was 38 at the time of surgery. I’m pretty sure it’s because I hit a huge deer with the front end of my Honda. About a decade ago)

  • @bgregg55
    @bgregg55 5 дней назад +5

    I can't afford to buy the "organic" label. It's always priced like a luxury item. And I'm not naive enough to believe that label really means very much anyway.

  • @tamowillsat3929
    @tamowillsat3929 5 дней назад +4

    one of the core insights of buddhism is interdependence. Yes personal choices impacts how our life unfolds and it is wise to give that attention because it is in your locust of control (more or less) but the whole context in which your choice occur also matter.

  • @cathrinpeets2232
    @cathrinpeets2232 5 дней назад +4

    Thank you thank you. My poor mother was afflicted with several diseases (as well as bad accidents), and until her dying day she kept insisting it was something she did wrong, she should be able to fix it with the right food/ intervention/ exercise/ chinese herb, etc etc. The truth is, shit happens to good, undeserving people, and it's not just the fast food burger you ate in '85. Blaming people for consuming food that is forced upon them is the ultimate hypocrisy.

  • @yolandahebert2350
    @yolandahebert2350 5 дней назад +7

    "Eating Clean " isn't going to protect you from car crashes, gunshot wounds, or the effects of pharmaceutical products or the environment. I was eating clean and got ocular melanoma, a very rare eye cancer.😮

  • @floief
    @floief 5 дней назад +5

    Back in my younger years, I was talking to some farmers from the area about the idea of organic certification. They told me it was difficult to obtain here because organic gardens needed to be away from roads, and we do have a lot of rural roads. Roads have cars on them and cars give off particulates. These airborne particulates drift down onto the soil and there goes certification. I decided we'd just have to eat foods as close to the way nature intended as possible and all we can do is the best we can do. Now, the big question. What do we do about food deserts? How do we incentivize food retailers to stay in less profitable areas?

    • @Hippidippimahm
      @Hippidippimahm 3 дня назад

      Nationalizing at least one grocery chain.

  • @GG-lr7vs
    @GG-lr7vs 5 дней назад +9

    I even hate the way “eating clean” sounds. I automatically think of Mr. Clean and think of food seasoned with ammonia. 🤮

    • @tanyakilbane7636
      @tanyakilbane7636 5 дней назад

      Don’t people spray windex on their food to not eat it?

  • @veronika.y.p
    @veronika.y.p 5 дней назад +19

    THANK YOU for calling out Jamie f-n Oliver. I am a food regulatory jurist in Europe and I hate his guts, and have hated him and his classist "buy organic or you are a bad person" attitudes for over fifteen years.
    ... And don't get me started on organic certification. Most people do not understand that it's little more than a brand mark, and that many good, sustainable local producers just can't afford to get certified. It's largely a greenwashing mark for the wealthy.

    • @flowerpixel
      @flowerpixel 5 дней назад

      Id love a video on what organic labels actually mean in the us

  • @justinwest4923
    @justinwest4923 5 дней назад +7

    Then there's the famous Jamie Oliver clip where he's gone through the whole process, and he's like, "Now, would you guys still eat this after seeing how it's made??" and they're all like, "YEAHHHH!!!"

  • @LammyHowl
    @LammyHowl 5 дней назад +7

    💯 correct. Being careful about what I consume can help mitigate the symptoms of certain issues (for example, cutting out dairy has been extremely helpful for my mental and physical health) as well as help support local farmers and grocers in my community, but I also need health insurance to help cover preventive screenings for other things that I cannot pay for on my own because it's too expensive😢 also, "clean eating" will not "cure" anything like my autism, my nut allergy, or my scent intolerance. 🤷‍♀️

  • @gtromble
    @gtromble 5 дней назад +4

    Pretty sure that the stock I make from the chicken carcass is more nutritious than the 'clean' breast meat.
    I think we'd all agree that eating well can promote and support good health. It does not follow, however, that eating well will prevent you from contracting all diseases or ensure that your body can recover from them. That's just a basic logical fallacy.

  • @SaintsandSushi
    @SaintsandSushi 5 дней назад +4

    I just had this conversation on my autism group where someone decided to push her MLM to "cure" autism...and when caught she went on the healthy foods train. Let's say her basic understanding of neurological differences, science, and genetics was nowhere to be found. These people barely slept their way thru high school and are out here trying to act like doctors and scientists.

  • @randalalansmith9883
    @randalalansmith9883 5 дней назад +5

    The cool thing about the Macrobiotic cult I was in for twenty years was that the bar was so high for perfection. If you got a cold, you could blame it on eating an organic tomato.

  • @melissam4954
    @melissam4954 4 дня назад

    My state is #2 in the country for cancer rates and "nobody knows why". My state is also covered in pesticides for field corn and nitrate runoff from pig shit dumped in the waterways.
    No amount of eating "clean" is going to undo a whole childhood of playing in the pesticide corn fields.

  • @donnaleonard2489
    @donnaleonard2489 5 дней назад +1

    Deeply resonating with your videos. Thank you for sharing them. Tremendously sad

  • @A_Bunny_named_Dragon
    @A_Bunny_named_Dragon 5 дней назад +1

    Thanks!

  • @freshorangina
    @freshorangina 5 дней назад +4

    In Niagara Falls where I live, where I moved to for the natural environment and to be able to have a home garden, has increased the tourism driven fireworks to a ridiculous level. It was DAILY during high season. I am so worried about contamination. Air, soil, water…. I fish here, I forage here, I grow here, I breathe here. Do I need to leave here?

    • @GoldilocksZone-665
      @GoldilocksZone-665 5 дней назад

      Perhaps, the firework is the emblem of how our species is too stupid to survive. I loathe the things. I do not understand why people love them so much. It's perverse. Unless it's their perversity that makes them so beloved? Like a big FO but directed at ourselves?
      I wonder if anybody has wired a fireworks fan to a brain scanner to see what happens in there when there's a flash or a bang? I think we need to find out what's going on. What is it that is lighting up?

  • @gardeningtheearth
    @gardeningtheearth 5 дней назад +1

    One of my favorite podcasts maintenance phase has done some really excellent episodes about exactly what you’re talking about and also RFK.

  • @cabrielleholden
    @cabrielleholden 5 дней назад +2

    Are people seriously out there willfully not getting health insurance cuz they eat non-gmo veggies?! 😳

  • @bonne_vie
    @bonne_vie 4 дня назад

    I've heard that the more popular organic food becomes the cheaper it will be. How long is that going to take?

  • @janetmcg3086
    @janetmcg3086 3 дня назад

    So, ‘clean eating’ is that person’s health care? Remember how well that went for vegetarian Linda McCartney? She died of cancer.

  • @lanskandal1181
    @lanskandal1181 5 дней назад +1

    Love the Folding Ideas shoutout!

  • @Gramma_Holly
    @Gramma_Holly 5 дней назад

    I freakin love your rants!

  • @Karoline_g
    @Karoline_g 5 дней назад +7

    😮 OMG I thought that they got rid of leaded gas in the 90s. Is there an exemption for race cars???

    • @patrickjordan2233
      @patrickjordan2233 5 дней назад

      The largest singular offender is leaded avgas... Elevated lead levels are Still prevalent around small airports, and can be found in children who are raised in close proximity to said small airports..
      I've actually had a couple aviation friends quit flying... because they Just hate being part of the problem... Getting a given small strip/Port to carry the alternative is like pulling teeth.... - per my friends - FWIW

    • @valkolakk
      @valkolakk 5 дней назад

      There is an exemption for jet fuel.

    • @Karoline_g
      @Karoline_g 5 дней назад

      @@patrickjordan2233 I did not know that! 😱

    • @ParkrosePermaculture
      @ParkrosePermaculture  5 дней назад +1

      Yes, there is an exception for race cars and antique cars...and for jet fuel. There are some current studies, assessing the amount of lead that might be coming out of the Portland airport. They haven't made any clear conclusions yet, but it's an ongoing study.

    • @Karoline_g
      @Karoline_g 5 дней назад +1

      @ oh yuck. I shudder to think how much worse it could be here in nyc where we have two major airports. Welp. I definitely learned a thing that I did not like today. (Also this morning I learned about lead being used in Xmas tinsel until the 60s, BECAUSE IT DIDNT TARNISH, but that’s another story. It’s my new favorite obnoxious theory on why boomers vote the way they do. Lead poisoning as children.)

  • @RJ_Games0
    @RJ_Games0 5 дней назад +3

    %100 agree. Honestly, the fitness & wellness industry is full of privileged people shaming regular people 24/7 and it enrages me. I enjoy eating well and working out, but these people are so obsessed with fitness to the point where they are basically gatekeeping whats considered healthy lol. Theres is so much wrong with this industry and the people that are in it.

  • @joettadefrancesco709
    @joettadefrancesco709 4 дня назад

    Rare immune disease here, no amount of diet, vitamins or exercise will get rid of it. Sure taking care of myself helps and don’t think I haven’t tried everything to “get better”. Kale won’t fix this.

  • @TwisterTornado
    @TwisterTornado 5 дней назад +3

    You just gave me a great idea for a "reversal" of my Tofu-Dad's bad programming...
    Should I go with "Sewer Rat Diet", or the "Trash Panda Diet"?
    (Trash-panda = raccoon.)
    Eat food, when you can, not too much, in a wide variety. Allow treats.
    Remember to occasionally eat an apple, or something green.

    • @skystarlit3713
      @skystarlit3713 5 дней назад +4

      Okay if there isn't a nutrition book called "the Trash Panda diet" that just espouses nutritionally dense diverse foods within the next couple years, I'm going to cry. 🤣

    • @TwisterTornado
      @TwisterTornado 5 дней назад +2

      ​@@skystarlit3713 That Jamie Oliver story especially triggers me, because my great-grandmother was from that state and she lived to be 100.
      She clearly knew more about diet than he did. Even though she was "rural", Home Economics taught basic nutrition, in the 1940's. She was in no way ignorant about protein/carb, or "starch" balances, etc.
      And besides, now all of the Paleo people are saying the bones, cartilage and offal are important? 😂
      It's so obvious that no one knows what they are saying, anymore. If the rich knew anymore than we did, they would all eat the same way.

    • @TwisterTornado
      @TwisterTornado 5 дней назад +1

      OH, and before anyone thinks she lived so long because of diet, alone...no, I doubt that.
      She had insurance through the United Mineworkers Union.
      Incidentally, unions allowed me to exist.

  • @rachelmatthews3070
    @rachelmatthews3070 4 дня назад

    Perfect example of structural violence. Individualising systemic issues.

  • @alstraker
    @alstraker 5 дней назад +2

    Yep, not that lady blaming kids for getting cancer, etc.... It was not my fault that I had cancer at 8. Shaming is never the answer in any case. Smfh.

    • @LulaMae21
      @LulaMae21 4 дня назад

      I'm a NICU nurse and have cared for at least one baby born with cancer. Neither of you did anything wrong.

  • @kxs7267
    @kxs7267 5 дней назад

    So much sense talked here, and so much food for thought and discussion.
    I didn't know about Oliver discouraging the use of the whole of the animal. How does he make chicken stock if every part of the bird but the breast is "dirty"?
    And many, many negative points to him for encouraging food waste.
    Food deserts and eating healthily on a tight budget are a whole topic worth further exploration.
    But mention of "clean" eating is definitely a red flag for nutritional nonsense...

  • @thefrugalcrafter
    @thefrugalcrafter 4 дня назад

    You can hedge your bets, though, and eat healthy and get daily excersize and prevent 50% of cancers and diabeties and many heart problems so it's not all a grift. I think we need to stop calling health onsurance "healthcare" because insurance does nothing for healthcare except occasionally paying a bill. Over the last 25 years there were only 2 years where i got more from my insurance than i paid in, and that was when i gave birth. I know a lot of people without health insurance because most accidents wouldn't benefit from insurance once you add up deductable and premiums. They need to bring back actual "insurance" which is a lower cost offereng for major accidents and sickness, and let people, who choose, to pay for the small stuff themselves. The premiums are killer and the deductsbles keep the insurance companies from paying anyway. It's a mess, i dont blame anyone from opting out.

  • @lollyd5980
    @lollyd5980 5 дней назад +1

    Thankyou

  • @Libby147
    @Libby147 5 дней назад

    every marginalization comes with an added layer of stress and complex trauma, which we know is terrible for our health! so even if a marginalized person miraculously had access to all of the "clean" food they need, that still wouldn't "save" them

  • @cynthialester8348
    @cynthialester8348 5 дней назад

    Wow. If you had anything happen you could absolutely be ruined financially. My family member cut her finger deeply on bread knife recently. She went to the ER and even with insurance has a $3,000 bill. And my Dad ate pretty junky, smoked for a good part of his life and was also an alcoholic for a long time, and still lived till 85. Genes? IDK. Eating healthy is important, but certainly not the only thing. So many factors.

  • @yvonneshaub6111
    @yvonneshaub6111 5 дней назад +2

    I dont thinking logically is in a Trump or RFK supporters vocabulary..

  • @Libby147
    @Libby147 5 дней назад

    pretty sure there are also a bunch of - like - 95-year-olds out there who eat nothing but microwave dinners and drink coke with every meal
    I've met a few!

  • @pigcatapult
    @pigcatapult 5 дней назад +2

    The “anti-inflammatory diet” that I was recommended for my fibromyalgia looks so much like a scam, but it sure does succeed in making me feel even worse about the ineffective sweets cravings that are a symptom of my fibromyalgia

  • @55mmartin
    @55mmartin 5 дней назад +2

    Clean eating won't help my polymyalgia rheumatica which is basically trauma induced and related to stress.

  • @ZeKiwiOfTheNorth
    @ZeKiwiOfTheNorth 5 дней назад

    What does Jr. even know about eating clean? The man's diet earned him a brain worm!

  • @svetlananana9609
    @svetlananana9609 2 дня назад

    💜💜💜

  • @Bmaessg
    @Bmaessg 5 дней назад +1

    God I love you. Go get em!

  • @thorn.charmer
    @thorn.charmer 5 дней назад

    I eat as best I can because I can’t afford to go to the doctor, so I do what I can to prevent what I can. 😅

  • @kayleighscottage
    @kayleighscottage 3 дня назад

    I “eat clean” to help manage a chronic illness but no amount of organic broccoli is going to cure my genetic disorder lol

  • @paulvaughan3557
    @paulvaughan3557 5 дней назад +1

    You have to remember, “eating clean”, fits on a hat. Your explanation won’t even fit on a t-shirt. This is why it’s not understood.

  • @christinechristensen7211
    @christinechristensen7211 5 дней назад +2

    I do believe a plant based diet has significantly improved my chronic health conditions however I also believe I still need expert medical guidance and SOME medication and for other unforeseen issues I need health insurance balance is good advice

  • @LulaMae21
    @LulaMae21 4 дня назад

    I follow Dollar Tree Dinners here on RUclips. Rebecca focuses on creating filling meals with things you can get at Dollar Tree or Dollar General because she recognizes that a lot of people don't have access to regular grocery stores. Her recent video about a $20 3-course Thanksgiving meal went viral, and some of the comments I saw were the same sort of privileged, elitist mindset as you describe here.

  • @victoriajankowski1197
    @victoriajankowski1197 4 дня назад

    A thing I think people miss is even the healthiest quartiles of research never reach 0% of even 'lifestyle disease'. Even if people eating an 'organic whole food diet' and exercise regularly have *% less diabetes risk , that means 100-*% will still get it. You can stack your deck, and you should to the best of your ability, but living is still a gamble and you can't pick all your cards.

    • @victoriajankowski1197
      @victoriajankowski1197 4 дня назад

      For reference I've some experience on both sides of this paradigm , just got the all clear on my thyroid and my A1C is dropping from dietary reform (and its costing my family, we use food banks, and I can't help but feeling I'm pushing disease off of me onto my partner since I'm getting most of the produce and their getting to processed stuff I'm barred from eating) but no diet on earth will heal the permanent brain damage caused by a viral infection I caught in my late teens, nor was there a vaccine at the time and the kids at the youth center where asymptomatic , so no preventing it.

  • @laulutar
    @laulutar 5 дней назад +2

    Eughhhhh, comments like that make me so mad. No manner of dietary choice would have prevented my dad from being diagnosed with two unrelated forms of cancer in 2015. My father's greatest crime? Being a fair haired man from the Nordics who developed melanoma in his late 60s. He was never a fan of sunbathing, but he still got unlucky.

  • @larachaplauske8818
    @larachaplauske8818 5 дней назад

    Nothing I eat is going to fix EDS. It's in my DNA.

  • @Sara-lk2yr
    @Sara-lk2yr 5 дней назад

    It Is disgusting someone that should blame him/herself for the suffering he/she cause to all the citizienship, well they support the propaganda that people should blame themselves because they are suffering. As if It was their own fault! It Is so unfajr... Really disgusting.

  • @miltonthegreat6520
    @miltonthegreat6520 4 дня назад

    Permaculture rules. David Holmgren is the man, whao!

  • @ExoticalT369
    @ExoticalT369 5 дней назад +1

    ♥️👏

  • @patrickjordan2233
    @patrickjordan2233 5 дней назад +2

    The Commenter (knowingly or unknowingly) presented/argued that a "contributor" was causational... Ignorant @ best, and toxically & intentionally disingenuous @ Worst...
    - backstory? My father fell into the Homeopathic Grift Ecosystem...and as his caregiver (a story shared by many, Many here...) it was a constant struggle to have HIM, the parent/patient... differentiate Medical from Mumbo...
    His last 3 years? I Just WISH the capitalistic Hucksters could have directly Witnessed their HARM they inflicted...
    * I finally had to file my Medical Power in the Strongest Verbal Contact State in the US to bring them And their claims/endless calls to heel...
    Were a few well-meaning? Sure, but those were by Far the minority...
    *I will never find fault when a Caregiver has to threaten lawsuits against Hucksters... Been there, got the callouses/bumper sticker...

  • @elisam.r.9960
    @elisam.r.9960 5 дней назад

    Personally, I prefer conventially grown produce despite having the salary to eat organic. If only I could get more GE foods so I can get more nutrient dense items on an even cheaper budget.

  • @TheNikkiRedd216
    @TheNikkiRedd216 5 дней назад +1

    Love your stuff, And love Folding Ideas!! The video is called 'Jamie Oliver's War on Nuggets, if anyone got this far and is interested. Cheers!

    • @ParkrosePermaculture
      @ParkrosePermaculture  5 дней назад

      Thank you for this! We are about to watch This Is Financial Advice and I know I'm about to be horrified by this conspiracy theory.

  • @bookworm1956
    @bookworm1956 5 дней назад +2

    To those people thinking that organic food will keep you alive and healthy on its own, there's always the historical comparison. By default, all food was organic before the 2nd half of the 20th century. So, by that logic, historical life expectancy should be much better than ours.
    It wasn't, so maybe it's the pesticides keeping us alive longer? Also unlikely, I think we can all agree.
    Conclusion: food is important, but it's not medicine. Many other factors come into play.
    Even just medical knowledge like basic hygiene.

    • @annemumford9459
      @annemumford9459 5 дней назад +1

      I think the advent of antibiotics has probably had more of a positive influence on lifespans than pesticides. The foods eaten before pesticides were indeed grown organically, but there were also vitimin/mineral deficiencies due to things lacking in the soil. We are also able to get a wide variety of foods, but back in the day, diets could be very repetitive. And there were always the hungry times of the year when people just had to hunker down and wait for Spring.

  • @JRTFMSmithson
    @JRTFMSmithson 5 дней назад

    I love race cars and feel they have their place but leaded fuel in 2024?! I thought it was just down to airplanes.

  • @doctork1708
    @doctork1708 5 дней назад +2

    And you haven’t even addressed the Christian bs around how god takes care of the righteous bs.

  • @shelbyschroder4140
    @shelbyschroder4140 5 дней назад +3

    The "clean" model infects so many things. I'm a Master Esthetician. I'm constantly hearing how skin care is full of "chemicals" meaning preservatives in the like. My argument to that is, the ones who have taken out those said chemicals. To be considered clean. Which has no actually recognized definition. The list is arbitrary no matter who you speak to. Those clean brands have abysmal shelf lives leading to waste and often terrible skin recactions. You aren't keeping your skincare in the fridge. You don't want it to grow mold in your bathroom. Vasiline, is yes made from petrochemicals. But it's great for wound healing and has a ton of usage right up to topical medications. It's so highly refined that if you swallowed some of it nothing would happen. (PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS AS AN EDORSMENT OF EATING VASELINE!) The point is the clean label. Until it has a multi-governmrnt agreed upon definition. It's only going to produce inferior products. The things I look to keep out of my products? Mica because of child labor, and talc because it's often cross contaminated with mining because it's usually found near asbestos.
    Your drugstore products are generally safe, and PH corrected for your skin.

  •  22 часа назад

    Who underwrites your rights?

  • @catharinephoto
    @catharinephoto 5 дней назад +2

    I stopped following the paleo bros even tho they had some good science.
    They went ad absurdum toward libertarian, social Darwinist and false nostalgia about how things used to be.

  • @Introverted100
    @Introverted100 5 дней назад +3

    Eat clean and there's no need for health insurance.
    What a ridiculous hippie fantasy, especially coming from roghtwingers.

    • @angusmorrison9433
      @angusmorrison9433 5 дней назад +2

      Hippies? Really? Hippies are now millionaires and up. Believe me, they’ve got insurance.

    • @TwisterTornado
      @TwisterTornado 5 дней назад

      Both sides are the same side...when will y'all catch on...

    • @ParkrosePermaculture
      @ParkrosePermaculture  5 дней назад +2

      It's ridiculous, but these people get to vote and they all voted for the decrepit cheeto

  • @BanAnna85
    @BanAnna85 5 дней назад +4

    I agree with most of this but there is no conclusive evidence that organic food is better for your health and it can be worse for the environment to produce.
    Love your channel and your content but I disagree with this one thing.

    • @angusmorrison9433
      @angusmorrison9433 5 дней назад +2

      But organic tastes better (yummm!) and lasts longer.

    • @skystarlit3713
      @skystarlit3713 5 дней назад +2

      Organic maybe not, but the most recent research on heritage foods, and non-GMO Foods is showing the nutritional imbalance is quite drastic.

    • @sangha1486
      @sangha1486 5 дней назад +1

      If you're waiting for conclusive evidence, you're never going to get it. There will never be a way to do that.
      Of you're comparing tomatoes, which cultivare are you using? Not an heirloom bc conventional commercial farmers don't grow those.
      So you're left with hybrids which are organic but are not permaculture friendly bc you can't save the seeds.
      Picking a cultivar is just one (seemingly unsolvable) issue with the comparison. Then you have to decide where you're going to plant it. On a farm that's been in intensive production? In a no-till garden? Polyculture or monoculture?

    • @ParkrosePermaculture
      @ParkrosePermaculture  5 дней назад +3

      I didn't say that organic food was better for your health or better for the environment. In fact, I made a point of saying the label "organic" in the US is sus. However, we do know conventionally grown foods have a negative environmental impact and are not sustainable. That does not mean that organic is more sustainable. And it definitely doesn't mean that the workers have better pay or safer working conditions.

  • @davidgray1515
    @davidgray1515 5 дней назад

    I eat clean and I am on SS. Its how you choose to manage your money. I dont see anything classist in wanting to put clean food in your body.

  • @angusmorrison9433
    @angusmorrison9433 5 дней назад +3

    Sugar kills. Sugar feeds cancer. Three people in my family who died of cancer (early boomers, loved sugary drinks. 9/10ths of foods in every grocery store has sugar in it, especially packaged foods.
    True: I live near airport in Sarasota… some days can’t even open the door without smelling fumes. Everywhere in Florida is surrounded by cars, cars, cars and their fumes. Horrendous.

    • @zesky6654
      @zesky6654 5 дней назад +1

      And I have a 90-year-old aunt who drinks straight corn syrup.

  • @codematters7970
    @codematters7970 5 дней назад

    Sure... but if you have a choice clean/junk food I guess you are responsible for health implications your choice leads to.

  • @ELBLOKE503
    @ELBLOKE503 5 дней назад +1

    At least jfk is better then that frog we had.

  • @skystarlit3713
    @skystarlit3713 3 дня назад

    I don't know how many of these comments you find time to read. I ran across this rant about how we used to have free seed and found it fascinating. Would love to get some of your thoughts on it.
    m.ruclips.net/video/xoM6R2w4440/видео.html