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RV Stairs Problem
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- There are many type of RV Stairs but we are seeing an increasing amount of the MORryde steps that fold into the RV. They are some of the most stable steps we have had for RVing but there have been a few times we have had an issue with setting up and using them. The solution isn't that complicated or difficult but as long as you can plan for it you can most of the time avoid it all together.
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These are indeed issues. For me the solid feel and the look far outweigh those few drawbacks.
Looks to be a pain. I'll just keep the stock stairs on our winnebago.
He just told everyone do not buy this - too many youtubers try to polish a turd - if it's no good, just say it's no good. That is why I like Traveling Robert - he will tell you - ah - this is garbage. Happy trails
I’ll stick with the traditional folding stairs. At rest stops and dump stations I can quickly get into our 5ver without deploying the stairs at all.
exactly - have had no issues either - this video just told me - don't fix what ain't broke!
I'll stay with my fold up stairs also. The down side, as pointed out in this video as well as other honest and realistic rewiews, out weigh any touted benefits in my opinion.
Totally agree. Why fis a small problem and create a bigger problem
More reasons why I love my Torklift Glow Steps. I’ve had them on two different 5th wheels. No problems whatsoever.
those stairs are one of the best things about our new RV. We love them, so does our older parents.
The stability of them is great.
Torklift is a great setup and fixes some of these issues.
Things I never really thought about, as I've been contemplating the switch from fold out steps, to these swing up ground contact type. Thanks for the video.
I had both. The swing out stairs are solid but this advantage is also their pitfall because sometimes you can cannot get them to fit like when parking next to a curb or if there is concrete pad that sticks up from the ground. I never had these troubles with the fold out steps.
I concur with this review. Love the stairs most of the time, especially since I'm 6' 10" and close to 500 lbs. However, I can not access the RV when in storage because there is not enough clearance from the next RV to swing the stairs out. If I forget something in the RV after storing, I have to hook up, pull the RV out, retrieve the forgotten item, and then re-park.
That would be tough for storage.
Another great show. I love the “when the ground gets in the way”.
We have similar stairs and the flush fit in the doorway is a must! I’ve seen doors ruined by forcing them closed, and the bottom crushed in the process.
See ya next video.
WE have similar stairs on our main door. luckily we have the old pull out style on the rear door for the bathroom. I had thought about changing those to the fold down style but like you said in your third point sometimes it is just needing in real quick on the road and nothing beats the old ways for that! All your observations were spot on!
I can not count how many time we do a quick stop, hop in the rig, and never pull out our steps.
These honkin steps would definitely help some folks out but not us.
We are weekend warriors right now, and can't store the RV at our home. We have it on a storage lot, and are able to access it 24/7. However, our slot is only 12' wide, and we have rigs on both sides. Rules of the lot are to park in the middle of your spot. So these steps would definitely not work for us. We access our RV to load up in the week before a trip and turn on the fridge, and we wouldn't be able to do that with those steps. Steps will have to be a consideration when we upgrade in the next few years. Thanks for the video!
I understand that, my neighbor at the storage lot has those and asked me if I wouldn’t park to far back so he could get his stairs out. Luckily he had a rear entrance so it worked out pretty good.
@@Masterchief68 My neighbor at the storage parked real close to our camp side so I couldn't get our stairs down to open the door but like you, luckily our rear door has the pull out steps so crisis averted.
So true on the stairs. I do love the design for the most part. I am working on a design for micro adjusting the feet. I have found that the left and right feet don't always meet the ground equally. Small issue but one that I think a lot of people are having.
Amen! The pin adjustment really doesn’t allow you to have them adjusted as well and as level as you would like.
@@Masterchief68 Those ratchet rail gears would be a great solution! like they use in trucks locking locking bars
I drilled a couple holes between the originals, so I can adjust in “half steps”. Works so far.
@@cnjsharp2 I love that idea.
100% agree with the mentioned cons. Regardless, we still wanted that type of stair and have been happy with our choice to get the GD 2400bh with solid steps. The pros of a solid step have always outweighed the cons. We chose a trailer storage lot with enough room and we position the trailer in campsites to work with the stairs. I also keep a couple 2x4 blocks to throw under the stairs on large slopes. They work good under tables on slopes too.
These steps are a big improvement over the fold out steps. But with one drawback that nobody ever talks about. The folding steps extend out by about three feet from the rig and these extend way out there. If somebody is not paying attention to where they are walking ( just like the old style awnings ) they could trip over them and get seriously injured.
What a coincidence! When in Shenandoah National Park this month I had to drill two additional holes closest to the feet so the legs could telescope further up into the main legs. My door was binding and I figured the gravel ground was up higher than expected. I didn’t have a shovel like you! Morryde should add more holes closer to the feet so the customer wouldn’t have to.
And don’t get me started when a semi parks too close to you!
We ran into the problem with the concrete pad once. Ended up putting the wheels up on blocks to raise the camper high enough to allow the door to close.
I thought i saw someone with that type of step that folded into the area where the old type folds into ???
on another note, i’ve seen people that have those new steps that couldn’t get into their trailer while in storage because the trailer next to it was close and the steps didn’t have the clearance…
Torklift GlowSteps. We love them.
These are an expensive upgrade but I think they could avoid a painful and potentially costly fall. I hadn't considered the clearance issue. Good to know about that.
It'd be nice if they had a quick release on the hinge end to remove the stairs all together. 3 stairs would solve the problem but you'd be going from stairs to almost a ladder in some cases.
Have you considered the GlowStep Revolution stairs with booster step? It doesn't need that arc that is otherwise required to deploy a fixed length stair. You can pull out the booster step when the bottom step is too far from the ground. Vise versa, use all the steps (including the booster) most of the time, and use without the booster when there is not enough height to deploy the whole stair.
That's what we went to. Great steps and very adaptable
Love our glow steps!
Had similar issues with trying to adjust stairs or in too tight an area. Found that Torklift stairs solved the problem. Can set as ladder or extend. We purchased ours with their booster step (5th step stores under 4th and can be used as needed). Also it has glow in the dark tape so you can see each step without having to use another light. Light weight, easy to install, works on uneven ground, love them
I've been a full time rv-er for 5 yrs and your videos have taught me alot. 💙
I just put these type of stairs on our rig and I can definitly forsee some of the challenges you are highlighting. Great video as always.
We just dealt with that on a trip a couple of weeks ago. We had to park our TT a couple of feet off the concrete pad in order to close our door.
Where we are at now, the grond is higher in the back than the front. Our stairs are about 3 inches off the ground with them extended all the way.
I love the MORryde steps that I put on my Boler B1700. They don't feel like they will bend or brake off every time you step on them.
They do very solid!
BIG Thank you for this info! I have never thought of this,.mainly BC I have the old hidden under RV, easy fold out stairs. This is vital info for me for future upgrading of another RV..Also thank you for your introduction and pleasant camera views! You always video for optimum footage. It’s just nice to have a break with a video showing what is being talked about, instead of a person just sitting there chatting away..it gets boring.. Your videos are like a interactive version. Thanks again and Happy Trails Michelle Tallahassee Florida
Thank you that is very kind!
Wish I had had the option to buy these on my RV! Nice!👍
Yeah thanks for pointing these things out. I once thought I wanted to upgrade. Now I know for sure I will be keeping my original folding steps which never have any issues.
I wish they would have improved the stability of the old pull-out steps instead of going with the fold-in steps. We have had several instances where the steps would not go down far enough to allow us to close the door which is a major headache. One harvest host we stayed at had us park along a curb, and I was just barely able to get the door to shut by completely taking the feet out of the stairs. There is also an issue we run into where sometimes the feet will collect rocks on the backside, and eventually, they will dislodge themselves after traveling down the road a bit. Pretty sure that's how we got a rock under the slide that ended up tearing the floor a bit when we pulled the slide back out. The only upside is that it's nice not to feel the RV rock back and forth as the kids are running up and down the steps.
That's why I can't say enough good about the Torklift Glo Steps that we installed on our fifth wheel. They reach to the ground so they are obviously very solid, have height adjustments not only on the feet but you can also adjust the top step height in three positions as well. Other benefits are they store outside and do not require near the room to deploy. We keep our rig indoors and the the solid step style wouldn't work. Best of both worlds
Use blocks to raise stair side wheels or both to help clearance
You may have noticed this already but one option, if you can't fold the stairs down, is they can be removed. When folded up you'll see that they connect to the hinge with two pins which can be pulled out. This would allow you to just remove the stairs and then climb up (some how). I've not tried it but saw this feature on another video.
Many don't have that feature.
You might be able to get another couple of inches be removing the extending feet altogether. Maybe place some rubber to relieve some of the pressure to the bottom of the feet-less stairs.
Yes we have pulled the feet on occasion as long as we can protect the metal on the ground.
“The ground can get in the way” Love it!
I have the same challenges with my MORryde steps.
Great point about the arc, Jared. Our last RV had fold out steps and we poured the slab beside our garage accordingly. But our new RV has the rotate out solid steps, which we really enjoy, but ultimately required an additional 4' width to be added to the slab in for the camper to be parked comfortably beside the garage while still being able to open/close the steps. Just another point to think about.
Good things to think about.
Good video. Should be helpful to those considering these stairs. We go through the same when we travel.
Good Info, definitely been there, done that! One other option when the steps come down on a concrete pad….we removed the legs and set the bottom of the step frame on the welcome mat to protect them from damage.
Yes good tip, sometimes that last little bit can make the difference.
I had exactly the same concerns you are facing. We went with the 3 step version and use a aluminum folding step in front of the stairs when we are on sloped ground and the first "step up" is tall. The folding step doubles as a genny platform when we do need to run the genny. Safe travels..
Thanks for the insight to the steps. It looks like they should engineer some kind of adjusting system on the step pads. Keep up the great content for everyone!
So what is the benefits of the new type of stairs over the old type? I will stick with my old type of stairs less problems with the old type and just throw a block of wood under the last step and my old type of stairs are rock solid.
I dont put anything underneath mine - no issues
Why fix a couple of small problems by creating bigger problems. Been using traditional stairs for 9 years. Zero or minor issues with the stairs of yesteryear.
These sound like a whole new series of issues. Traditional stairs work for the most part regardless of terrain. I do not need new challenges. Got the current ones covered. Maybe just me.
Great balanced reporting of the practicalities.
Keep up the great@t reviews.
Thank you!
Had that problem in Canon City last year. Needed to move the RV.
If you block the Jack's to lift the trailer higher will fix the problem....
You could raise the camper by putting leveling blocks under all wheels/tires to give you more distance for the stairs instead of digging down.
We do have that issue when being it home to load/unload since our neighborhood is curbed and the rig is too long for our driveway. So, we can only get 1 door in front of the driveway with the stairs down. The other stairs sit in grass over the curb and you can't close the door. I've never had an issue while camping though and storage is wide spaces.
Another case of fixing something that wasn't broke. The old style steps have been around since I was a kid (40 plus years at least). Nothing wrong with them. At all.
Great info!
I have had the same problem with the traditional stairs when camping on gravel with a cement pad, ended up having to put the rig up on levelers even though the site was level, but I can see that it would be even more difficult with the rigid ones. I do think that the rigid ones would be better most of the time.
Yes very true.
We had the old style stairs on our last TT and the newer style (w/ three stairs) on our new TT. Ours isn't as cool as yours but they're still not a problem with getting dirt, etc inside the rig. I prefer the new style because they're sturdier. Thanks for another interesting video!
I really wish someone would add ratcheting levels to these steps. Some like you'll find on a Little Giant Ladder™. Would make adjustments way faster and I could keep the legs as short as possible for storage.
Yes that would be much better than the pins.
Thank you I didn’t think about those situations. Great information
We find that we have to adjust the steps multiple times during a stay. Depending on the surface they are sitting on the constant stepping up and down on them dig them into the ground more and become uneven again and need to be readjusted.
The lippert stabilizers mounted to the bottom of foldups do a great job. Are they as good as replacing the whole step system? Probably not, but they do let you jump inside when you need to. Also the under $40 price makes them worth using for a year before I re-evaluate switching.
The reason I haven’t changed over from the fold out stairs is that our trailer spends 3-4 months in storage and there isn’t enough room between our unit and the one next to us to put the stair down. I have just enough room now with the foldout stairs.
I have been considering changing to one of these stair units for my fiver. You have given me some things to consider. However I do have two doors and would only change the steps in the main door therefore eliminate some of the negatives of using these. And I like the idea that I can get a tool box that fits in the space vacated by the old steps. Thanks for your thoughts.
Yes the added toolbox storage would be very nice.
I have had both. But for you that like the old fold under oh well. Rock the camper every time you go in and out,or how flimsy this type of steps are. I will stay with the solid steps.
The stability of these steps are great!
You are very true. I wouldn't have any other steps. I have a 2022 alpine 3712kb. They have the lippert solid steps. My only dislike is the pin adjustment.
Thanks 🙏
Wow. So if you’re lucky enough to have an RV with two entries, only put the stable step on one of them so the second entrance can be the tight space access point eh? Thanks for the learnings Jared!!
Exactly. We have fold away stairs in rear entrance, which happens to be the restroom. Perfect for “roadside relief”.
How about a ram update: likes, dislikes, maintenance etc. etc.
Hi Jared, thanks for another good video. Please what is the thickness of the hinge plate that sits on door threshold? I have a problem with clearance with my existing SolidStep from Lippert, my door does not close properly... thanks much.
I've been watching your videos for a few years now Jared and even though this one was short, you have a way of getting good information across to the viewers. Cheers and where are you travelling this time of year? If you ever make it to British Columbia, We would love to meet up.
Well, all the issues and non issues you describe were reasons we will never have those type of steps on the RV. We have the same model RV as you do and I have been very interested in many of your mods but your change-out of the stairs was one I’ll pass on. I did note that the only way you could use the awning for rain protection when putting up the stairs is if your unit supports the Bluetooth setup on your phone for remote operation - once you put the stairs up you can’t access the inside of your unit. Although we never have used it, our outside fold stairs have additional feet on the last step for ground contact if needed.
Hope you’re enjoying your 28 BH as much as we are, it’s a great floor plan. We definitely weren’t expecting these steps but it was a change Grand Design did from when we ordered it to when we received it. I almost switched them out to the older style but thought I better give them a fair shake before I pull them out. I probably would have swapped them out if we had to store ours like some had mentioned. That swing radius is so big that some owners can’t get inside at the storage facility because the RVs are closer than 4.5’ .
I don't like the stairs because I can not install the grab handle on the screen door! The grab handle hits the stairs and stops the screen door from closing when folded up.
Do you have a name brand and stock number for those in this video? Great video!
We have had to dig a hole in very single trip we have been on with this style stairs it’s definitely frustrating.
That is frustrating. We have only had to do it twice.
Maybe the 3-step version would've eliminated the length issue.
Our problem with the "Step Above" steps they got bent when forgetting once to bring the steps up when taking the RV stabilizers up and raising the tongue jack up for connection to the truck. Had an RV tech try and bend them back, but the door with still hit the top of the step mount unless we shorten the extended legs to a point that creates excessive slope on the steps. Makes getting in and out of the RV harder now.
I did that too. I had previously replaced the rivets at the top with pins so the steps can be removed. After removing the steps I had to re-bend them the best I could then put a diagonal brace across the back to keep them square. Considering the torklift steps since we also get hit by the 'too close in storage' issue.
The huge and biggest problem is ensuring the stairs are all the way down or you will tweek the door frame and then you will have to replace it. Some doors are over a grand.
We have stairs like your except our stairs don’t fold. It is a pain adjusting them most of the time.
It would be nice if there was a better system than just the pins.
We just picked up a 2022 Puma 30RKQS I have a question. It comes with the King Connect pre wired internet… any videos on how to set that up. I know I have to get more equipment from them or someone. But not sure what’s there it only seems to be the antenna cable from behind the TV to the roof … any info would be great thanks love all the content..
What is the exact Brand and model...please...TIA. Im not great
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My problem is I need heavy duty ones. I keep having problems with the ones I have. Due to weight problems!
Could you add leveling blocks evenly to both sides of the RV to gain your clearance in those situations instead of digging down?
Thank you for sharing, this is great info. I definitely would never have thought about the ground height being a problem. I have the 367BHS with the same steps.. I’m curious if the floor height to the ground is slightly higher in the 367BHS vs the 28BH.
My fold-down stairs pop RV door open even with a block of wood between stairs and wall! Any solutions?
i must be missing somthing...what was wrong with a set of good old 3 folding steps....work great..stable .never a prob...pull out or in in 2 seconds.... we are becomig obsessed with trying to make everything as little work as possible...most of us NEED to work a bit harder to stay fit... and drop some weight...
We get driving rain and snow would these work in really bad weather
Our stairs seem to make it difficult to close our door when folded in for transport. Any thoughts on how to alleviate this?
I installed this type of stair on my 5th w. I had and still do have a clearance problem with the threshold and the door when the stairs are down
I am absolutely opposed to that style, which is unfortunately limiting my options for new RVs. Total knee replacements makes kneeling or squatting pretty much out of the question. I'll take regular folding steps, thanks. And 4.5' of clearance just to deploy the steps is crazy!
Yes it is a lot, the good part is there are other steps you could swap out to if you found an RV you like Etrailer bit.ly/3Bzv9Ba has good options as well as RecPro has some options. We were not expecting these steps on the RV when we ordered it. It was one of the changes from order to delivery they made in production.
@@AllAboutRVs thanks for the feedback! But I don't think swapping to folding stairs is an easy option. There's no cut out for them. I doubt the required framing is in place either. Sounds like some welding would be required at the very least. But who knows, I may cave anyhow. :)
I have been looking into purchasing a lighter weight (2022) fifth wheel myself, and have narrowed the choices down to a Rockwood Ultra Lite, a Cougar half-ton, and a Grand Design Reflection 150 280RS, and while I initially was drawn to the MORryde steps used by the Rockwood and Cougar, I'm increasingly shifting my attention to the Reflection 150 280RS which has the traditional folding steps. I have a 96 year old mother who will occasionally travel with me, and the MORryde steps have a much greater reach, even fully deployed on the ground, than the Reflection's three folding steps. The result is that it's a longer (and potentially detrimental) reach to the grab handle from ground level with the MORrydes, as folding steps are closer to the door and have a quicker ascent. Plus, the folding steps also offer extendable feet on the bottom rung to provide stabilizing contact with the ground. Longer grab handles can be retrofitted, and I like the additional lower handle affixed to the MORrydes on some Jayco's, but I'm not sure that in some cases like mine, the longer, more gradual ascent of the MORrydes is always better.
No thanks! I'll keep the fold out steps, they always have worked, I have the better ones with treads like on your steps. Not in the way, don't have to worry about digging to make them work, they dont stick way out in the way, a lot of times when getting gas, we are also using the rv bathroom! When set up at a campsite I have a small support that I put under the bottom step that makes I solid as a rock.....
Who makes those stairs? I need the ones that rotate like yours.
a 3 step is more universal ;)
Actually it looks like you should have the three step model instead of the four step model??? We have the fold out steps ourselves and frankly we both prefer the older style steps.
Yes ours is right in that range that is almost in between us he 3 and 4, we were expecting the older style steps but we’re right in the transition to this style.
I’m at the point that having a concrete pad is not desired.
small inconvenience? haha - no way jack - I travel with animals - extra setup like this can be extremely problematic - that is a major flaw in design
ha - so looks like my cheap stairs are perfect after all
You need to drill some extra adjustment holes
Not a bad idea but when we need to drop it all the way down we pull the pins so it can go all the way in.
I’m sorry, but the steps that are designed to store away in the RV are a terrible design. You pointed out several of the problems, but if you need to store your RV in a storage lot you will never have room to bring the steps down and enter the RV without hooking up and pulling it out far enough to bring the steps down. The person who designed these should be fired!