This was a truly fantastic visit and I couldn't be happier to share it with you all. Stay tuned for more follow up videos on wargaming and naval history. Also, are there any other places you suggest I visit next?
Army War College Department of Strategic Wargaming (Carlisle Barracks, PA); National Defense University CASL (FT. McNair, DC); Command and General Staff College Simulations and Wargaming Division (Ft. Leavenworth, KS), and the RAND institute.
Glad you enjoyed! It was a blast to visit and I definitely look forwards to sharing the rest. For me, the discussion of how modern military wargaming works Pete Pellegrino is definitely a highlight.
Most video games are built to be intuitive and easy to understand. I mean, if you play obscure 4x strategy games for thousands of hours and also you're a high performing student, and also you are physically fit, and also fairly charismatic and a good leader, yeah you'd make a good naval officer lol
Absolutely hilarious to hear that the naval staff simplified the war game for the junior officers and that the civilian one being played in the New York City ballrooms had more detail and depth
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So wait they say also had war game for both space and cyber warfare I'm curious to see how those run maybe It may give me a reson to get battletech warships mintures.
I dont know why your camera guy kept you in the camera, when your just standing there looking awkward, lol. He made it seem like your gonna be asking questions and have input but you never do
Admissions officer: so why are you interested in attending? Me internally: don't say you wanna play fancy warhammer don't say you wanna play fancy warhammer don't say you wanna play fancy warhammer Me: I wanna play fancy...magic the gathering
@@anab0lic I would disagree, as there is some strategy involved. Now I wouldn't go as far to say that it requires the most strategy or has the best way implement your strategy.
All these years of playing total war games finally payed off, and my mom said all those "lost" hours wouldnt amount to anything WHO IS LAUGHING NOW MOM
@@Gunni1972 Probably, but dear God if I still got a good time out of those 1000 plus hours of game so it was worth it xD. The General will see it and bow down to me...hopefully.
To be fair, the calculus of wheter or not a ship should continue on this course, change bearing/speed, fire weapons from it's selection of maybe 6 different ordinances is a lot less than your typical lvl 10 player haha
I love your content in general but HOLY CRAP was that cool. I guess I didn’t realize that the Navy has been playing military D&D since the 1800s. I have quite a bit of research to do, and I’m looking forward to the upcoming vids on this topic!
That's a documented story that during ww2 British admiral Max Horton played against Janet OKell of WATU to test suggested tactics against u-boats. Lost three in a row against just turned 18 non-officer girl.
This is an excellent interview. I always noticed that when a interviewee is talkative, it's best to sit back and listen. Invicta was brilliant in this interview by allowing the historian to present his full presentation uninterrupted. I felt like we received a lot of data in a very short time. I can't stand the Joe Rogan's of the world who cuts off the guest and takes them off topic. I feel like we miss half the story. Invicta should have a gaming facility of his own where he can teach people how to be a strategic documentary producer. :)
Sky Marbles Have you ever been on a guided tour? You’re standing still listening to someone for hours and staring intently at them when it’s just the two of you would be really awkward.
@@theespatier4456 you can't compare a guide tour with a interviewer . when someone talks directly to you and you are alone ,you won't look at the persons shoes . because eye contact is a sign of respect and attention.
I served in Sim's Hall between 1978 and 1980, mainly as a terminal operator for the various officers gaming and the "Admiral" officiating. The main game floor (not shown in the video) was an auditorium seating approximately 300, a gaming floor for about 30 officers, with the focal point being the world's largest (at the time) computerized projection screen (roughly the size of an Imax screen). Officers "manning" the on-screen ships were housed in small offices, cut off from all visuals and communications except traditional "ship-board" comms, with the results of their choices shown in real time on the screen. The computer system was housed in a separate room approximately the size of two city busses. I met Tom Clancy there, who had an office set aside so he could conduct research, write, and interview personnel. I loved serving there, and had the Navy allowed it, I would have served there until retirement. But in 1980 I was forced to either reenlist for duty onboard a ship or leave the service. I truly did not enjoy shipboard duty, so I left. Bad decision? Hmmm...
1992-95. Exactly the same set up third floor in the center wing was the cells as you describe. The gaming floor was center wing first floor. The west wing plenum area was actually a converted swimming pool. You could even see the old tiles on the walls. We had 25 or so OS's doing games. In early 1995 Admiral Strasser (War College President) said hey Simms Hall while historic and ok for war gaming was becoming inefficient and we need a new building for the War Gaming Department. Our group in Advanced Concepts actually was tasked with what a "perfect" War Gaming building would look like. We over two months from June-July 1995 even did "furniture" drills for what a perfect room would be. Late July 1995 we finished (this design group was so important that 4 of us got pulled from Global 95 to help design the new building). We finished the design and sent it to the architects for designs and detailed prices. The room design was my last tasking and went back to sea on CG-64 for 5 years. Did a port call in Newport in 1997 and saw them breaking ground on McCarty-Little.
@S Uriel Pretty sure it does, but it certainly doesn't have the kind of rules people are familiar with. In this context they're referring to physical representations of what would happen, not in the traditional moral sense that rules are applied to society. Mundane things like your boat will only move at X speed and cannot go faster than Y speed. Not rules like don't kill thy neighbour. That would be societal rule.
Wargame rules are significantly more complex than the rules of Scrabble or Monopoly. Even the rules to early commercial wargames, such as Tactics II of 1958. Especially if you have never encountered such a thing before. Some people never get the hang of them.
I think it was his realization that he needed to indicate "follow me" but had just clasped his hands to conclude his speech, so he used his upper body as an awkward substitute? Or maybe there was a boom mic just out of frame and he didn't want to bonk it. Either way, I found the gaffe comical, but his animated manner and enthusiasm for the subject was totally captivating.
"so this is how we do our prep and planning for training". If you need to take notes on how to do training I think you're a few centuries behind on military research mate.
I'm starting to see where western and Japanese RPGs differ. Western RPGs from Western Table tops hench the Emphasis on numbers and build. Jrpgs from Light novels hench the Emphasis on Story.
Fantastic! Did a lot of Harpoon (civilian wargaming system, but so detailed that Clancy used and later got in trouble for his accuracy) in my youth. It'd be fun to play at that scale.
New England and the nearby States had a significant number of military bases, as well as ship yards, and a significant amount of military infrastructure at one time, growing in importance with the Civil War. The 1990s is really when the majority of the bases began to see a significant loss in importance (New London/Groton, CT excluded). New York, Boston, New London, Portsmouth, and Newport, amongst many others.
"this was your huge Naval Base" back in the day just as West Point was for the US Army was until 1948 and "Present at the Creation"(the Pentagon, the Cold War, the Nuclear Triad, etc).
Well, at the time of NWC's founding, Newport WAS a significant naval base, and would remain so for many decades into the 1990s. Got downsized (the base, not the NWC itself) a bit during the '90s BRAC process. Also worth noting, the base today is still a lot more than just the NWC. I did not attend NWC, but went to Newport multiple times for various months-long training courses. There were still several frigates based at Newport when I went to Division Officer Course in '90; they had been shifted down to Norfolk (or just plain decommissioned) by the time I came back for Department Head School in '95.
The open source strategy game Battle for Wesnoth shows a detailed probability breakdown of what effects a possible attack can have on the defender and attacker. A good move in my opinion.
This is really cool, to say the least! I wonder if there has been, or could be an event where military personnel can go against esports players in a wargame, be it a military one or a videogame one like Total War.
Definitely no, because pro player play games for the public that are balanced for fun. Besides the steps to play lets say, War of warships is totally different to this, here you have support staff and the like, in the other you dont even care for the fuel for the trip home or rules of engament
Visited the Naval College Museum at Annapolis a couple years back . Need to visit this one too. A old friend Roger Rhodes was an instructor at the Naval War College. I played plenty of wargames with him before that.
I really love how you put so much effort into your videos and your content in generall! That you visit places and sites and talk with actual people that know their field instead of relying solely on written information. Really awesome man, love your work, keep it up, wont take long before you hit 1 mil subs. & Take care!
Thanks for the kind words. I do hope to conduct more of these sorts of visits to serve as a bridge between the public and the historical community. Lot's of fun in store! I'll see you at 1 million : )
I love the story about Japanese war gaming out the invasion of Midway in 1942. In the war game, the officer playing out the Americans managed a carrier attack on the Kido Butai and sank 2 carriers. The umpire for the war game declared that the Americans shouldn’t have been where the officer had put them and reset the game.
Actually, the attack that sank two carriers was made by land-based bombers. In the event, several attacks by B-17s on Japanese ships resulted in exactly zero hits, so the umpire was not wrong in discounting the hits in the game. See pages 46-47 of Perla's _Art of Wargaming._
*7:42**... Hindsight being 20/20..., it would have been wiser to replace the British with the Americans..., instead of replacing the Germans with the Americans... :/*
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It takes a lot of time and resources that can be used elsewhere to use and maintain such ships. At least for training cadets. I believe that this does occur for actual military practice however.
I’m so glad this channel is finding success and expanding. You provide some of the best info out here for us armchair tacticians. Ps: crossover with lindybeige. Just sayin.
You'd think having lived in Newport for 20 years I'd have visited this place once or twice, but lol nope. Great vid though and looking forward to the others!
Simple, taking wargames serious is the difference between invading Normandy, and cavalry charging into machine gun fire. Always ask the question "if I where my enemy, what would be the best move" and then switch sides again after finding a counter. Helps in Chess, games, live and war.
So I'm a nurse going into the navy once I graduate my bachelor's program. I've never wanted to get into a program more. Unfortunately, I think this will be out of my scope of practice.
Very nice tour. I was stationed in Newport in the late 60's and early 70's aboard the USS Samuel B. Roberts DD823, and the USS Joseph P. Kennedy Jr DD850 which is now a museum in Fall River, Mass.
Thank you for posting this video, very interesting. But… Where are the other videos announced in this one? I could not find Wargaming Explained or Modern Wargaming for example
nice they should start producing theire own pc war games as slitherine sux! ;P btw they could change perception by making all u.s, pawns op just like the rusians do in theire games, just make it optional. BTW I would love to play a 2020 version of harpoon with land units included so start with that game lol.
Great series, as all your videos! I hope that youtube revenue is good, as you certainly deserve it for the level of professionalism put into your channel. Cheers!
I had a chance to go for a week when I was 16, but the training got cancelled. I am impressed and incredibly jealous you got to have this opportunity. Thank you so much for sharing.
I just translated the book Shared Fantasy, by Gary Alan Fine, that is mostly about roleplaying games, but delves into its connexions with wargames, and has a whole section about the Japanese navy losing the battle of Midway, because two of their admirals cheated during the wargame simulation, effectively ressurecting sunken ships. The real battle followed the results of the simulation, according to the umpire that survived the war. You can find the whole book online: books.google.fr/books?id=rLlLbN0XuSEC&lpg=PP1&dq=shared%20fantasy%20gary%20alan%20fine
There 19:33 be another reason to have IN person Gaming.. anyone can see the Look of their Opponent.. body slang used and how fast they write down their orders and if they speak to their fellow COs and if not how their chain of communication flows.. eg: drill sgt? this helps later on as in real life action when there are decisions, there be Poly sci and how and when moves are made by body and r speed of inclusion or not.. become KEY variables that might lead to a promotion. / know thy opponent is a sun tzu rule.. and one day there may be a player now friend at same college turned traitor Rebel Yell and if thy know the know U can too be a Capt of a Red October submarine .. and perhaps take a first strike weapon thru the sonar nets and beyond their defenses all the while KNOWING the tactics of them that now chase U 'grey lady down'.... 'i know their tactics, we have the advantage' H4RedOct. // always use in person when can.. helps to deal in person later when there might be a President.. and not all presidents are as dumb ass as Bush baby./. 2 losing wars cant save the 20 per day vets dying by self hand movement.. 7300 per yr,. 102,000+ since 2004 alone.. // if the truth had been known and the navy was in possession of MORE fix this PR island or Key west, there be a better use of aircraft carriers and support groups.. the Large GUNs could fire canisters of rice on to the destroyed by weather towns.. keys P R was a mess.. what good is a navy that can only play games.. ?? too bad for the deaths in the Pacific with the copters crashes and the ships crashing into each other... no Game theory there.. the sonar guy that lied about the 'Contact Torpedo' in the Gulf of tonkin.. Navy boys are nice for JAG but they sure dont know much about sonar, radar or electric toothbrushes.. // shot down an iranian airliner during the reagan era.. bad karma.. but the navy dude that fired the missile go a medal.. lolol // thanks for this wonderful video.. very informative.. very much so..
Part of the success and feedback loop were the annual fleet exercises that tested rules, results and tactics used in games, it both let the gaming inspire exercises and let exercises put realism into the gaming. I believe no other navy was teaching, gaming and exercising its leadership, its tactics and its officers in this way, both theory and practice for war to come.
This was a truly fantastic visit and I couldn't be happier to share it with you all. Stay tuned for more follow up videos on wargaming and naval history. Also, are there any other places you suggest I visit next?
Army War College Department of Strategic Wargaming (Carlisle Barracks, PA); National Defense University CASL (FT. McNair, DC); Command and General Staff College Simulations and Wargaming Division (Ft. Leavenworth, KS), and the RAND institute.
Rome of course! Have your own personal triumph :)
The Pentagon!
Moscow War Museum
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Can do that by playing Call of Duty BO Zombies
Creative Assembly should take a visit, maybe they'll finally figure out how to improve naval battles...
Damn son
Give em some
That's quite a roast
seriously I hope I can see a day where AI is atleast like drunk 12 years old kid.
SAVAGE
what a cool video. Don't see content like this very often. Love it!
Glad you enjoyed! It was a blast to visit and I definitely look forwards to sharing the rest. For me, the discussion of how modern military wargaming works Pete Pellegrino is definitely a highlight.
It takes one month to learn the game?
So you're saying video game nerds who play all day would be the best candidates for naval officers?
meh
Only special types of nerds
No
Most video games are built to be intuitive and easy to understand. I mean, if you play obscure 4x strategy games for thousands of hours and also you're a high performing student, and also you are physically fit, and also fairly charismatic and a good leader, yeah you'd make a good naval officer lol
Absolutely hilarious to hear that the naval staff simplified the war game for the junior officers and that the civilian one being played in the New York City ballrooms had more detail and depth
Congrats Rhode Island you finally did something
Edit: who am I kidding I live in New Jersey
Jersey brought us the next best thing, Snooki's Whoregames. Lol
@@LouisGFranco Ya'll just mad we have the best battleship
@@M3RUL3Z "We"? Humor me by elaborating on "we" as in "we have the best battleship".
@@LouisGFranco "no" - Brandon Belvedere, a little under three weeks ago apparently.
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15:14
😂
It's Capt. Jack Sparrow 😂
Very intresting, very cool.
Just wait till we get to talk to Pete extensively about the mechanics of wargaming, its fascinating
@@InvictaHistory Nice! Looking forward to it.
So wait they say also had war game for both space and cyber warfare I'm curious to see how those run maybe It may give me a reson to get battletech warships mintures.
Simply awesome
Wow great stuff
I dont know why your camera guy kept you in the camera, when your just standing there looking awkward, lol. He made it seem like your gonna be asking questions and have input but you never do
where do I buy the premium ships and consumables?
That's only available at the Moscow naval war college.
Luce Hall is not Pringle Hall. How long has he worked here?
It must have been really hard to wargame before the d20 was invented!
well actually in the video I just released, their wargaming kit seems to have actually included a d20! ruclips.net/video/cmTy8kBB76U/видео.html
More!
Admissions officer: so why are you interested in attending?
Me internally: don't say you wanna play fancy warhammer don't say you wanna play fancy warhammer don't say you wanna play fancy warhammer
Me: I wanna play fancy...magic the gathering
warhammer is already fancy, you know how much it costs?
@@adrianalfonsocardenasherna7787 ITS NOT FANCY ENOUGH
WE NEED IT TO BE F A N C I E R
Admissions officer reply: Yeah, we do that! You're in!
"It's because I want to play fancy Warhammer." DAMMIT! "Yes, sir, the U.S. Navy Waughh simulator is right this way..."
1 v 1 me on total war rn nerd
🤣🤣
*Laughs in Varangian Guard*
@@Harshhaze Laughs In Dismounted Conquistadore
Total war, the strategy games with no strategy.
@@anab0lic I would disagree, as there is some strategy involved. Now I wouldn't go as far to say that it requires the most strategy or has the best way implement your strategy.
All these years of playing total war games finally payed off, and my mom said all those "lost" hours wouldnt amount to anything WHO IS LAUGHING NOW MOM
she is, because you are still not getting paid to do so.
@@Gunni1972 savage
@@Gunni1972 Probably, but dear God if I still got a good time out of those 1000 plus hours of game so it was worth it xD. The General will see it and bow down to me...hopefully.
Total war, the strategy games with no strategy.
"Learning the game was about a month of teaching".
Children, let the man introduce you to the ungodly 6th edition of Warhammer.
Modern schools: We will improve our teaching by incorporating games into our classes.
Navy War College: You mean, what we did 130 years ago?
Wargaming has been apart of military drill and schooling ever since the invention of the kriegspiel… 🤦♀️
@@KaiserTwo i guess he means in america
Suddenly, I realized how my perfect mancave is going to look like.
As a D&D GM I was impressed they could plot 3 minutes of maneuvers in 30 mins. 3 minutes of combat might take us all night.
To be fair, the calculus of wheter or not a ship should continue on this course, change bearing/speed, fire weapons from it's selection of maybe 6 different ordinances is a lot less than your typical lvl 10 player haha
@@Globalnet626 I suppose the navy has their new officers for the picking amongst the DnD community then.
TBH soldiers don't have 10 different spells to choose
@@realdragon And I'd wager they don't get distracted by banter and attempts of breaking or cheesing the game.
to be fair 5e is full of combat bloat
What I imagine in war gaming simulation.
Admiral: I've sunk your battleship!!
I love your content in general but HOLY CRAP was that cool. I guess I didn’t realize that the Navy has been playing military D&D since the 1800s. I have quite a bit of research to do, and I’m looking forward to the upcoming vids on this topic!
I want to see Prestige military school vs Pro HOI player in this game.
Get a hoi 4 guy with a total war guy and make some type of chain of command with gamers, against trained military
Now that's gaming
@@furinick hoi3 would be alot more interesting
@@lucioordo3647 dear god
That's a documented story that during ww2 British admiral Max Horton played against Janet OKell of WATU to test suggested tactics against u-boats. Lost three in a row against just turned 18 non-officer girl.
@@adrianalexandrov7730 does the tactic of this 18 non officer girl eventually be used IRL?
Took a few seminars there over the years. Thanks for the trip down memory lane.
That's awesome! I thoroughly enjoyed all the faculty that I met with there and hope the experience was a good one.
This is an excellent interview. I always noticed that when a interviewee is talkative, it's best to sit back and listen. Invicta was brilliant in this interview by allowing the historian to present his full presentation uninterrupted. I felt like we received a lot of data in a very short time.
I can't stand the Joe Rogan's of the world who cuts off the guest and takes them off topic. I feel like we miss half the story.
Invicta should have a gaming facility of his own where he can teach people how to be a strategic documentary producer. :)
Except he was leaning back and forth and looking around showing disinterest and impatience...
The Bates It’s a guided tour, not an interview at all though.
Sky Marbles Have you ever been on a guided tour? You’re standing still listening to someone for hours and staring intently at them when it’s just the two of you would be really awkward.
@@theespatier4456 you can't compare a guide tour with a interviewer . when someone talks directly to you and you are alone ,you won't look at the persons shoes . because eye contact is a sign of respect and attention.
Sky Marbles It’s a guided tour though... not an interview.
I served in Sim's Hall between 1978 and 1980, mainly as a terminal operator for the various officers gaming and the "Admiral" officiating. The main game floor (not shown in the video) was an auditorium seating approximately 300, a gaming floor for about 30 officers, with the focal point being the world's largest (at the time) computerized projection screen (roughly the size of an Imax screen). Officers "manning" the on-screen ships were housed in small offices, cut off from all visuals and communications except traditional "ship-board" comms, with the results of their choices shown in real time on the screen. The computer system was housed in a separate room approximately the size of two city busses. I met Tom Clancy there, who had an office set aside so he could conduct research, write, and interview personnel. I loved serving there, and had the Navy allowed it, I would have served there until retirement. But in 1980 I was forced to either reenlist for duty onboard a ship or leave the service. I truly did not enjoy shipboard duty, so I left. Bad decision? Hmmm...
1992-95.
Exactly the same set up third floor in the center wing was the cells as you describe.
The gaming floor was center wing first floor.
The west wing plenum area was actually a converted swimming pool. You could even see the old tiles on the walls.
We had 25 or so OS's doing games.
In early 1995 Admiral Strasser (War College President) said hey Simms Hall while historic and ok for war gaming was becoming inefficient and we need a new building for the War Gaming Department.
Our group in Advanced Concepts actually was tasked with what a "perfect" War Gaming building would look like.
We over two months from June-July 1995 even did "furniture" drills for what a perfect room would be. Late July 1995 we finished (this design group was so important that 4 of us got pulled from Global 95 to help design the new building). We finished the design and sent it to the architects for designs and detailed prices.
The room design was my last tasking and went back to sea on CG-64 for 5 years.
Did a port call in Newport in 1997 and saw them breaking ground on McCarty-Little.
It takes a month to learn the rules? I'd love to see that rule book!
@S Uriel Pretty sure it does, but it certainly doesn't have the kind of rules people are familiar with.
In this context they're referring to physical representations of what would happen, not in the traditional moral sense that rules are applied to society.
Mundane things like your boat will only move at X speed and cannot go faster than Y speed.
Not rules like don't kill thy neighbour. That would be societal rule.
Wargame rules are significantly more complex than the rules of Scrabble or Monopoly. Even the rules to early commercial wargames, such as Tactics II of 1958. Especially if you have never encountered such a thing before. Some people never get the hang of them.
@S Uriel _"War has no rules dumb fuck"_
Wargames do have rules, and Pellegrino was talking about games, not actual war.
@@michaelsommers2356 agreed. Also war do have rules such as the laws of physics
@Rick Dawg it does have fucking rules and if you break them they are called war crimes. WHO IS THE DUMB FUCK NOW???
15:13 why did he moved like Capt. Jack Sparrow ? Hahaha
I think it was his realization that he needed to indicate "follow me" but had just clasped his hands to conclude his speech, so he used his upper body as an awkward substitute? Or maybe there was a boom mic just out of frame and he didn't want to bonk it.
Either way, I found the gaffe comical, but his animated manner and enthusiasm for the subject was totally captivating.
Takes notes in Russian spy 🇷🇺
We are
"so this is how we do our prep and planning for training".
If you need to take notes on how to do training I think you're a few centuries behind on military research mate.
@@Madhattersinjeans
Sarcasm is a dying art form. Sad. As Trump would say. Sad.
S Uriel the American ignorance is making me cringe.
@@punctuationman334 If you think that guy is American you're more ignorant than him.
There’s a reason most navy guys love 40k, warhammer, D&D, Etc. its in our blood
I'm starting to see where western and Japanese RPGs differ.
Western RPGs from Western Table tops hench the Emphasis on numbers and build.
Jrpgs from Light novels hench the Emphasis on Story.
Fantastic! Did a lot of Harpoon (civilian wargaming system, but so detailed that Clancy used and later got in trouble for his accuracy) in my youth. It'd be fun to play at that scale.
Did you ever play Jane's Fleet Command?
im curious to why the naval college would be so a far away from the the actual huge navy bases on the east coast?
It used to be down south but got moved up the Rhode Island as a result of pressure during the Civil War and then I guess just stayed there
New England and the nearby States had a significant number of military bases, as well as ship yards, and a significant amount of military infrastructure at one time, growing in importance with the Civil War. The 1990s is really when the majority of the bases began to see a significant loss in importance (New London/Groton, CT excluded).
New York, Boston, New London, Portsmouth, and Newport, amongst many others.
Newport is also the location for officer candidate school, so it probably helps that a lot of the training is in the same place.
"this was your huge Naval Base" back in the day just as West Point was for the US Army was until 1948 and "Present at the Creation"(the Pentagon, the Cold War, the Nuclear Triad, etc).
Well, at the time of NWC's founding, Newport WAS a significant naval base, and would remain so for many decades into the 1990s. Got downsized (the base, not the NWC itself) a bit during the '90s BRAC process. Also worth noting, the base today is still a lot more than just the NWC. I did not attend NWC, but went to Newport multiple times for various months-long training courses. There were still several frigates based at Newport when I went to Division Officer Course in '90; they had been shifted down to Norfolk (or just plain decommissioned) by the time I came back for Department Head School in '95.
Thanks for sharing this. Imagine the feeling in the heat of a large war game as your teachers and peers judge you.
The open source strategy game Battle for Wesnoth shows a detailed probability breakdown of what effects a possible attack can have on the defender and attacker. A good move in my opinion.
This is really cool, to say the least!
I wonder if there has been, or could be an event where military personnel can go against esports players in a wargame, be it a military one or a videogame one like Total War.
Definitely no, because pro player play games for the public that are balanced for fun. Besides the steps to play lets say, War of warships is totally different to this, here you have support staff and the like, in the other you dont even care for the fuel for the trip home or rules of engament
Damn, I would LOVE to see their version "Carriers at War"!
Visited the Naval College Museum at Annapolis a couple years back . Need to visit this one too. A old friend Roger Rhodes was an instructor at the Naval War College. I played plenty of wargames with him before that.
Way cool! Definitely recommend checking the USNWC out. I'll have to swing by Annapolis some day.
Dude sounds like Robert Downey Jr
I really love how you put so much effort into your videos and your content in generall!
That you visit places and sites and talk with actual people that know their field instead of relying solely on written information.
Really awesome man, love your work, keep it up, wont take long before you hit 1 mil subs. & Take care!
Thanks for the kind words. I do hope to conduct more of these sorts of visits to serve as a bridge between the public and the historical community. Lot's of fun in store! I'll see you at 1 million : )
if i ever visit this place, all im gonna be hearing in my head is "DISPLAY THEIR MIGHT, ORDERING CARRIERS, ADMIRALS AT WAR"
I love the story about Japanese war gaming out the invasion of Midway in 1942. In the war game, the officer playing out the Americans managed a carrier attack on the Kido Butai and sank 2 carriers. The umpire for the war game declared that the Americans shouldn’t have been where the officer had put them and reset the game.
That anecdote actually makes it in to my interview discussion about wargaming in WW2
Actually, the attack that sank two carriers was made by land-based bombers. In the event, several attacks by B-17s on Japanese ships resulted in exactly zero hits, so the umpire was not wrong in discounting the hits in the game. See pages 46-47 of Perla's _Art of Wargaming._
Invicta PLEASE upload the modern wargaming video fast. I CAN'T WAIT
*7:42**... Hindsight being 20/20..., it would have been wiser to replace the British with the Americans..., instead of replacing the Germans with the Americans... :/*
Not American but would still want to go there lol
Invicta: Which thumbnail should I use?
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I used #1 at first but then got a notification from RUclips saying that the video was underperforming so I tried to swap it out to see if that made a difference (EDIT: Swapped the thumbnail back)
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When will you visit Moscow Military Museum? Its beutifull.
There is the Victory Museum for WW2
And
Museum of Patriotic War 1812
Now it's something entirely different! :)
Absolutely stunning video. I can't wait for the new ones in the series!!!
Thanks! Be sure to share around if you enjoyed : )
Wot he said 👌
You can actually see the miasma of misery emanating from Navy OCS while at the college
Out of curiosity... Why would they not use decommissioned ships for their practical training? The USN got plenty of those, during its history.
Cost money
It takes a lot of time and resources that can be used elsewhere to use and maintain such ships. At least for training cadets. I believe that this does occur for actual military practice however.
Decommissioned ships often have parts that need to be cannibalized for repairs of other ships
I wonder if this is where the wargame where a marine general took the part of Iran and managed to defeat the US Navy.
Plot twist: Invicta is a russian spy...I mean, anything is posible
stfu bruh
Stole my comment 😅
@@therealone4113 I am an eternal flame baby
Newport, RI is also home to Navy's Officer Training Command, which trains, you guessed it, new Navy officers outside of USNA
So they get a degree in Warhammer? Luuucky
I’m so glad this channel is finding success and expanding. You provide some of the best info out here for us armchair tacticians.
Ps: crossover with lindybeige. Just sayin.
You'd think having lived in Newport for 20 years I'd have visited this place once or twice, but lol nope. Great vid though and looking forward to the others!
Ah cool, great to hear from a local. I'll actually be uploaded a guided tour of the museum so you can check out more of what's available.
Simple, taking wargames serious is the difference between invading Normandy, and cavalry charging into machine gun fire.
Always ask the question "if I where my enemy, what would be the best move" and then switch sides again after finding a counter.
Helps in Chess, games, live and war.
So I'm a nurse going into the navy once I graduate my bachelor's program. I've never wanted to get into a program more. Unfortunately, I think this will be out of my scope of practice.
Can you include the wargaming videos in a playlist? I can't find the ones in the last card about "wargaming explained" and "modern wargaming"
We're lucky these days that all we have to do is to download World of Warships.
Very nice tour.
I was stationed in Newport in the late 60's and early 70's aboard the USS Samuel B. Roberts DD823, and the USS Joseph P. Kennedy Jr DD850 which is now a museum in Fall River, Mass.
Playing games in school? Thought I'll never see the day.
Lindybeige has a great vid on war games in history too.
Brits, take notes. Do not attack the americans near Nova Scotia!
Thank you for posting this video, very interesting. But… Where are the other videos announced in this one? I could not find Wargaming Explained or Modern Wargaming for example
nice they should start producing theire own pc war games as slitherine sux! ;P btw they could change perception by making all u.s, pawns op just like the rusians do in theire games, just make it optional. BTW I would love to play a 2020 version of harpoon with land units included so start with that game lol.
Very interesting topic, wargaming as a educational tool has been used for a long time but it’s stunning to see it that much put in focus on this one.
Great series, as all your videos! I hope that youtube revenue is good, as you certainly deserve it for the level of professionalism put into your channel. Cheers!
Pringle Hall. Of course there's a Pringle Hall.
I had a chance to go for a week when I was 16, but the training got cancelled. I am impressed and incredibly jealous you got to have this opportunity. Thank you so much for sharing.
When the Navy is a better gamer than you...
Stationed in War Gaming Department April 92 to July 95.
Lots of information if you want.
I just translated the book Shared Fantasy, by Gary Alan Fine, that is mostly about roleplaying games, but delves into its connexions with wargames, and has a whole section about the Japanese navy losing the battle of Midway, because two of their admirals cheated during the wargame simulation, effectively ressurecting sunken ships. The real battle followed the results of the simulation, according to the umpire that survived the war.
You can find the whole book online: books.google.fr/books?id=rLlLbN0XuSEC&lpg=PP1&dq=shared%20fantasy%20gary%20alan%20fine
Thanks for sharing. That anecdote does actually appear in one of my interviews about Wargaming in WW2
Well,that an broken code 🧐
Considering that one Norway old ass submarie managed to destroy some modern expensive US ship they run war games poorly
Any chance of you going over the USS Liberty incident?
So Tabletop Roleplaying Originated from Naval Strategy.
I like the massive furniture which can be easily used to create barricades.
You look just as I pictured it. 😆 good job on your videos
Sounds like an awesome series of videos is born. Hooked!
Please Sega take notes BTW
I wanna go there
History nerd's dream!:D
🎼in the navy...
Face reveal?
Depends how badly the marine playing the Iranians kicks their asses.
Great video!
The US Navy is best branch don’t @ me
Lol good joke
Bruh there is no best branch
@@Callsign_Prophet i think there is a best bramch and its name is space force
@@zacharycushing8648 fuck it, space navy, just actual ships with rockets attached to them while on orbit
There 19:33 be another reason to have IN person Gaming.. anyone can see the Look of their Opponent.. body slang used and how fast they write down their orders and if they speak to their fellow COs and if not how their chain of communication flows.. eg: drill sgt? this helps later on as in real life action when there are decisions, there be Poly sci and how and when moves are made by body and r speed of inclusion or not.. become KEY variables that might lead to a promotion. / know thy opponent is a sun tzu rule.. and one day there may be a player now friend at same college turned traitor Rebel Yell and if thy know the know U can too be a Capt of a Red October submarine .. and perhaps take a first strike weapon thru the sonar nets and beyond their defenses all the while KNOWING the tactics of them that now chase U 'grey lady down'.... 'i know their tactics, we have the advantage' H4RedOct. //
always use in person when can.. helps to deal in person later when there might be a President.. and not all presidents are as dumb ass as Bush baby./. 2 losing wars cant save the 20 per day vets dying by self hand movement.. 7300 per yr,. 102,000+ since 2004 alone..
// if the truth had been known and the navy was in possession of MORE fix this PR island or Key west, there be a better use of aircraft carriers and support groups.. the Large GUNs could fire canisters of rice on to the destroyed by weather towns.. keys P R was a mess.. what good is a navy that can only play games.. ?? too bad for the deaths in the Pacific with the copters crashes and the ships crashing into each other... no Game theory there.. the sonar guy that lied about the 'Contact Torpedo' in the Gulf of tonkin..
Navy boys are nice for JAG but they sure dont know much about sonar, radar or electric toothbrushes.. // shot down an iranian airliner during the reagan era.. bad karma.. but the navy dude that fired the missile go a medal.. lolol // thanks for this wonderful video.. very informative.. very much so..
I wanna play
I wanna play
This should be titled "how DID" not how does...
at the end we do cover modern wargaming at least when it comes to facilities
Well it wasn't Warhammer as expected but still interesting! 😜
😮Logistics war gaming sounds amazing!! Thanks for the great vid! 😃
What I wouldnt give for a textbook or two from this place. That guy is a great host for the tour.
There are some talks by Pellegrino on wargaming on the NWC's YT channel. Here is the first: ruclips.net/video/maHpGR-Vj4Q/видео.html
Oh wow nice find! I love Pete and he does such a great job teaching the content.
Here's another talk by Pelligrino: ruclips.net/video/PzwDWX8oQn8/видео.html
The guide kind of looks like George Clooney
"How did" not "how does", clickbait titles suck.
I don't know if this is just the editing or it's not what you're going for, but you should have asked more questions and interjected more.
Seemed like it was a pretty rehearsed tour that Pete has given countless times. In later videos its definitely more of a discussion.
Why ask questions and interject when the explanations are clear enough?
Part of the success and feedback loop were the annual fleet exercises that tested rules, results and tactics used in games, it both let the gaming inspire exercises and let exercises put realism into the gaming. I believe no other navy was teaching, gaming and exercising its leadership, its tactics and its officers in this way, both theory and practice for war to come.
great video. thanks for sharing. have you done one for the Army War College? or perhaps the Command and Staff school?
Awesome! Thanks for sharing this unique experience with us Invicta.