HUGE Sounding Vintage Music Man 112 RD Fifty!
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- I play a completely amazing rare 1982 Music Man 112 RD Fifty guitar amp with a 2013 Gibson SG Custom Shop. The amp has an EVM12L speaker. This video has three sections. First I got through this amp with a bunch of settings, then in the second section we check out how the Danelectro Longhorn guitar and bass from Wednesdays video sounds in a mix. Finally in the third section I go through the Musicman amp in large detail and tweak EQ and gain in real time! Let's go! ;-)
I have 38 tube amps, and I got my first RD30 head for $200 on eBay 2- years ago. Scored a mint combo at Guitar Center and both are great. I play the head through a 2x12 closed back with greenbacks. It is amazing!
Great video as always. Music Man amps still fly mostly under the radar. The first tube amp I had as a kid was a Music Man 2X12 HD in all its 130 watts of glory! Weighed about 130 pounds, too. Hands-down the loudest combo I've ever had in my life, probably not the best choice for a fifteen-year-old.
Thanks Steve! Yeah the 130 seems like a dangerous choice for a 15 year old ;-)
My first tube amp was the 212 hd 130 ,it had mile high headroom with wonderful cleans EV speakers. but the solid state preamp tones was terrible . that thing was too loud to turn up to get any usable driven tones .
It sounds fantastic! Thanks for all the hard work and great content, it really makes this channel stand out. Cheers!
I’m glad to hear that! Cheers!
I had a combo model just like this in the early 80’s but I put a Celestion Vintage 30 in and sadly sold it. It really was good. The other guitarist in our band at the same time used the head version and still uses it today as his only amp. Also he just had it serviced probably with new tubes. Fantastic amp! The EV in this sounds really good, I usually don’t like EV’s at all.
Man, you really got after it in that last section!!! Love yr playing, love that amp!!
Thanks, great to hear that!
I think this amp sounds so good because of the EVM12L speaker. I have played the same model combo in the 80's and that wasn't huge sounding. Love that piece of music you wrote.
Thanks Janne! Great to hear that! The EV is a big part of the tone indeed
@@JohanSegeborn Mr. Segeborn, do you have a "silver bullet" speaker that is best for everything? Would you have a recommendation for best tone from a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe? I know you primarily deal in cool older stuff, but it's worth asking. I love your work, sir. Cheers, and keep safe.
Right i have two, one with a JBL sounds great ,THE other with an EV is a lot more Ball s to the Wall's
Another very cool amp demonstrated with great playing that lets us hear all its features - thank you Johan! I'm thinking Randall Smith, Mesa Boogie founder, totally copped the panel lettering & knobs from this amp! ;)
Thanks! :-)
Johan, I have a RD112 a 100 watt version which came out first in 1979. It had the EV..
It uses 2-EL34’s. I sold it in 1986. About 3 months ago a client of mine & I were talking about amps and the subject of MusicMan came up and more specific the RD112 with an EV. He said, oh I have one at home. I don’t use it( he has mainly old, original Plexi Marshall’s) He said if you want it, I’ll give it to you.. next time he came over he gifted it to me! I hate the EV’s.. I ended up putting a cream Alnico Celestion in it. I sounds so Fender-y. I use it with my Marshall Astoria Custom combo (which has a Ruby Alnico Celestion) for outdoor gigs. I’ve used two amps for gigs for the last 35 years. Surprizing how much sound the MusicMan from 1-12” and 2-EL34’s. It has a solid 92 watts clean, but the plates run at 700v D.C.
Cheers Johan!
Cheers man!
Man you enjoyed this video ... Lost in the volume and tone... Like a teenager... Beautiful to see you just grooving out. Best lockdown video!
I have had one of these badboys for 40 years and it is my go to amp. I just replaced the tubes a month ago and the tone simply kicks ass.
Really great sounds. Music Man amps have always been great as I remember
Thanks!
Pretty sweet amps. The bigger fuzzed out garage-y guys tend to be quite fond of and tour with Music man's.
Jeff Loucks it gets some love and clout in the stoner/doom realm, that’s for sure.
As usual, you carve out great classic tones from this MusicMan Amp, which is great! Cheers and stay safe Johan!
Thanks Vincenzo! Stay safe you too! Cheers
Wow, that thing is a little beast!!!
It's no big surprise though I guess. I had a Fender Super Champ that was a hybrid, SS pre and tube power. It had two 6L6GCs in it. I paid $100 at the pawnshop. If I still had it I'd post a video.
Thanks Joe
Some of those vintage music man amps have great tones! Great for use in the studio!
This has to be my favorite sounding amp you've played. Now the hunt begins for a deal locally.....Thanks again Johan! You rock!
The higher wattage ones were on backlines everywhere through t the '70s and early '80s. Lots still around because they were built like tanks and they sound great loud and clean -- awesome for pedals.
Hi, Johan!
I can say only THAT WAS GOOOOOOD!!!! Have a nice weekend! See you!
Z.
Thanks Zigfrid! You have a great weekend too!
I have an rd50 112 from 1981 with the EV speaker. That speaker really makes a huge difference. The clean Channel is really stunning. The gain doesn’t sound very good and alot of people do mods on it.
I have the 110. I like the gain for bedroom playing, but it doesn't do as well at "live" volumes. But the clean is so great that it takes pedals very well.
@@charlesandrews1334 some use it live, like Chris Cain but he puts the gain at Max. 2 - 4 and then cranks the amp.
Great playing Johan and another super lock down diversion, THANKS! I have the same amp in a head version. The clean tones with a stratocaster are stunning!
Sounds awesome, Pushing the power tubes with a solid state pre amp works well. Your playing is also awesome, that 1st lead lick is kick ass, rock on Johan.
Thanks John, Rock on my friend!
@@JohanSegeborn I noticed in the schematic there is 1/ 12ax7. Is that for the reverb tank or tone stack? Maybe V1 with the rest solid state. Someone new what they were doing designing this sound monster
i don't understand why musician don't do more amps, they are a true innovation brand, cheers
I remember when it first came out, even then it was considered a great amp. And it still is, in the hands of Johan at least.
Thanks my friend!
Cool amp johan, sounds good. This music man amps have the spirit of Leo Fender. The transistors in the pre amp make a good job. Cool video, i saw much longhorns today.:-)
Thanks Klaus, Cheers! :-)
cool amp, it sounds great! I have a Fender Princeton II from the mid 80s, similar features and also has an 12" EV Speaker. Nice mixdown from the Danelectro demo, excellent information here. Stay safe!
Yep, when I sold my Ampeg VT22 (2x12 MONSTER), I eventually got one of these (in black) - largely because Clapton was using MM amps. :) Had it for years. Never sounded *this* good, though! :)
Superb demo! Especially that you showed that this amp is great at many sounds. It can easily pull off modern metal combined with pedals.
Om du vill fixa till rattarna så har jag några extra såna metallplattor sedan jag kompletterade min RD50. :)
Thanks Jesper! Yeah it’s one really versatile amp. :-)
in the forums, they always say Music Man amps are great for loud cleans but is not as exciting or fun for distortion sounds. so this video proves them wrong. that sounds great 👍
Hey Johan !
You've really improved on your drumming, great job, almost sounds like a plexi :)
Hahaha! ;-) Thanks man!
Me:
Buying all cheap amps i can get.
Waiting till Johan test them and make them sound like a $6.000 vintage Marshall.
Profit. :-)
;-) Cheers
My man, that is not a bad strategy. What's the worst that can happen? You end up "stuck" with a few cool, obscure amps that fell through the cracks.
Ah, sorry, forgot, that in US the point between numbers is used differently. In europe 6.000 does mean 6,000.00 :-)
I had one of the 65 heads...sadly had....stupidly sold it. It was the best EARLY JEFF BECK tones I ever got....really shook me
i liked that song in the second section….cool chords and i like the odd measure!
Thanks man, glad to hear that!
Sounds so good! These have a rep of "good pedal platform, loud cleans, but dont distort well because of solid state preamp and so much volume" but I think this breaks up fantastically!
Great playing as always.
Just bought a MM 130HD head on reverb for a nice price. I hope it sounds like this. But i WAS actually just looking for of a clean pedal platform(I use a tube works real tube, with a Durham electronics sex drive compression boost), but it would be great to have a distortion tone like this, its great and somewhat unique
I loved to bring this amp to jam sessions back in the day. If another player thought they were hot s and started playing really loud, the 112 RD ALWAYS shut them down. Miss that amp.
Music Mans are great workhorse amp and like tanks. I have a 2x12 Sixty Five from 1975 and it has never let me down.
Finally you actually put something on there that I already own and do not have to go buy it! Thanks Johan
Cheers Sam!
Funny. But yes, nearly every piece of gear featured on this channel becomes desirable after watching, at least by the way they are handled and presented.
Boy oh boy that is a total crunch machine great for any gig!
Excellent playing and beautiful tones. Thank you sir!
Very cool. I know Joan Jett has used a hybrid MM amp forever, not the same one. Sounds great. I always like the Segeborn Guitar Army when they assemble for the videos.
Thanks man, glad to hear that :-)
I bought this same amp, used, in 1983. I bought it as a package, together with a used '78 Fender Telecaster. I got the pair for less than $800.
I was being deployed to Germany (Army) and I couldn't take them with me. I put up a for sale sign at the PX on post and one young, eager, aspiring guitarist responded. He came with his mom to buy it. I ended up selling both to him for $300. I hope he was inspired to do great things.
That Musicman sounded way better than the Fender amps from the same era.
This is one of my must have amps!
I keep coming back to this video. This amp sounds great. I'm about to do a cap job on my own RD50. I'm curious if yours had any mods done to it and also what type of tubes you are using?
A lot of the bands were playing these when I first started going to shows in the early '80s, and they almost always sounded good. Later on I owned an HD 130, which was a bit much, but also sounded great, especially at ear-splitting volumes.
Yeah those are beasts
Nice! I had a 1979 MM Sixty Five 212 for a couple of years, traded it for a Aiken Intruder last november. Great Fender Twin tone and good ”empty canvas” for pedals. Also Music Man amps have this quite unique tremolo that I haven’t come across anywhere else. It was just too heavy to carry around so that’s why I parted with it. Maybe someday I’ll find my own RD50/RD100 w/ 112 configuration.
Thanks!
Johan! Champ into attenuated Super Lead! It's amazing!
That feedback is gorgeous
This is a very special amp - technically. It is a Class B amp, giving more power than a Class A/B amp (about 20%), but at a higher distortion, and with a much higher working voltage. Maybe the distortion is harmonic and pleasant, listening to the people saying it sounds very good. Normally Class B are not used for guitar amps, not then and not now. For the more technically inclined the signal goes into the cathode, instead of the input grid, which I have never seen on a tube power amp before. And the biasing is very strange. There are no transistors in the signal chain, they are
op-amps in round metal housings, and there is no 12AX7 in the preamp. If there is one, it is a phase inverter. Later MM switched to transistor based inverters.
Though I must say that I didn´t like the sound much in this video 🙂
What a gem of a video. Great tune too.
I bought a 112 rd 65 it is terrific for $100!
Greetings Johan from Czech Republic, Awesome demo and playing! I have an RD-50 head and its a cool amp! I notice you have one 'dislike'? ( must be a synth player..) :-DD
That sound! Eddy 9V's favorite amp.
I have a 112/50 with 12 EV and a 110/50 with EV in blonde. Previously had various very expensive custom shop amplifiers. I don't need everything anymore. The Musicman Amps are the best!
Impressive amps indeed
A great demo -thanks. I love mine.
I see a AKG414 there...I think.. I wonder if you could do a mic shootout? AKG 214 vs 314 vs 414 or AT4040 vs AKG 414... just an idea. It's been a while since you did a mic shootout. Love the playing as usual!
Thanks Ed! I’d be glad to do mic shootout soon. Cheers
Hi Johan, Amazing review and great playing as always. If you ever get a chance please review Aspen Pitman GT Soul-0-75 they are amazing Amplifiers i am sure you will be awe struck if you play one 😊
Thanks Mohammad! I’m gonna check the Aspen out!
Thanks Johan! Keep rocking 💪.
Well done and thanks for sharing brother! Be Well All!
Be well my friend
Always great!👍👍👍
Thanks brother, glad you like it!
Great sounding amp! I owned the same amp in black tolex.
❤️ from Switzerland 🇨🇭
Cheers Damien!
jeez was that all pure amp tone or did you use some pedals, can't believe how amazing it sounds, I'm wondering are they hand wired or not, I'm guessing not , Peace
This is effectively the same as the Legend Rock n Roll 50 that Billy Gibbons used on ZZ Top -Eliminator
Very interesting! Cheers
This sounds superb. I guess I have to run mine at 10 from now on!
Thanks Colin!
Why is there a switch on both channels? Can the chanbels be combined and mixed together?
@@montag4516 No, clean or lead
I like how the back of the EV speaker says "One Year (Limited) Warranty". That's in case Johan gets a hold of them ;)
;o)
Hahaha! I think those may be unbreakable!
@@JohanSegeborn Like a Toyota Hilux?
Awesome amps originally made in Anaheim, CA.
great jam there Johan
Sonic goodness! God bless and rock on bro 🎸😎
Rock on my friend
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I love the song sooooo much!!! I wished I owned it to listen to
man call me crazy but im hearing that jethro tull sound out of this amp thank you so much for this vid solid state pre amp and all tube out put stage i hope im right .. thanks anyway!!
Great Review! Great classic Amp!!
Thanks Arthur!
This amp was Chet Atkins go to amp, i play clean and it sounds amazing, good reverb.
It is always nice to hear something out of the main stream. Speaking of rare/off the wall, have you ever come across a Seymour Duncan Convertible?
Thanks, I saw one not long ago actually. Would love to demo it
My MM 112 RD50 Could NEVER be played above vol 2.. It starts injuring people.. I don't know what up with this one being played at 10 with the gain on 10.. Any ideas on why mine is so INSANELY loud?
Amp sounds super!
Thanks Steve!
Music Man RD50 ;) I have one from 1981, it's super loud for that size and weight. Better use it with bigger cab as head than just small combo, in my opinion. Cool stuff.
Thanks Chris
Why do you say that? Is the amp itself too powerful for combo's speaker and cabinet to handle?
@@montag4516 sounds great with ext cab.
Love hybrid tube/ss amps. Ed Van Halen used Music Man heads during his 1982 tour when his Marshalls were lost in transit. Doubt if anyone in the audience noticed the difference in tone
Cool! I didn’t know that! Cheers
My favorite part is always "let's go"!
The RD series was the the last of the music man amps, but they were the best sounding.
My amp since childhood
(also the RD110)
The 10 is easier to drive.
Thanks (a year late) for your wonderfully presented samples of sound
Cleans are nice the dirt sounds solid state
Is the bass also played through the Music man? By the way I love the bass sound!
In the early 80s I had a version of this same amp with one 12ax7 on front end and 2 6L6s in power section.
This one has that same configuration. Cheers
So the 12ax7 is still part of the preamp section (mixed with solid state)? Or is that tube there just for the reverb circuit?
@@montag4516 The 12ax7 is were the limiter [lead channel] gets its distortion from. The clean channel is strictly solid state preamp.
This is something special
I have one of these gems. Fuzzy tone and very loud. Needs a little restoration, but still a great rockin amp.
Song kicks . Sounds like orchestral !
Thanks man! It’s great to hear that
Great sounding in the mix. Little known fact, Musicman was at one point a side project of Leo Fender. There were issues thou, they were not without problems. They were well sought after in the 1980s as a decent home amp.
Thanks Marc!
For anybody into gear, that’s actually a well known fact. Also, Clapton used MusicMan amps for a while, so they weren’t just thought of as decent home amps.
@@darwinsaye clapton...knoplfer...johnny winter..blue oyster cult..the band....waddy wachtel...on alot of records
Sounds great!!!
If you were ever in the market to sell this amp, please let me know. Love the sounds!
Musicman hidden gems left to us by our predecessors.. and of course Leo fender I honestly prefer them over 60s fender inc amps. In fact I own an HD 130 bass head aka bass man.. and a 212 HD which is Leo’s version of his twin reverb Let’s put it this way... if you put me in a position to buy a fender inc or a musicman... I’d choose musicman without hesitation
Johan by the way your tune sounds killer. Keep up jamming your own songs I totally dig them. Great job
Thanks, Im so glad to hear that!
has that amp been moded at all
Yes, some great Fendery tones to be found in vintage MM amps. So... when can we expect the forgotten Fender 30 dumble?
Fender 30 Dumble? I’m afraid I haven’t heard of that one
I hear some dumble-esque tones in the the Fender 30 (like the Kitty Hawk and Acoustic 165) but it's a obscure amp due to the fact the Rivera amps kicked in ( not a big fan of those)
This might be the best amp ever made, i own one.
Mine has the original MM labeled speaker and sounds like crap. Totally stiff and unmusical. Is this one maybe modded?
Had a HD-130 once, and man was it LOUD! It had a plate voltage of 720V! I have felt that voltage through my fingers during troubleshooting, and it was not fun. OUCH!!
I had one of those. Absolutely ridiculously loud. Sounded good, though. That thing through a Peavey 6x12 cabinet sounded like about 6 amps.
Ouch, be careful. Cheers!
I love mine.
It’s got a 12ax7 preamp!
Nice I always wondered what the speakers were . Does the L or the M stand for large or medium magnet like celestions ?
Thanks! I read on a forum that L stands for Long Cone and S (in EVM12S) stands for short cone. That’s the distance from the dust cap to the periphery in the direction of sound projection. Cheers
Johan Segeborn ok thanks, and maybe the M stands for medium magnet?
I have an HD 130, I love it but the treble is very strong so it is almost always at 4 or 5.
I liked the tone of Clapton's period using musicman. Since then his strat tones at least, hasn't been that good. His Gibson /fender setups sound good.
Are there any amps Johan doesn't like?
Two thumbs up
Thanks Stevie!